Earlier this week, we met the rapper MC Hammer at a very cool, hip, and happening party in SF.  He was gracious and elegant, and very kind to my son with whom he talked for a long time. They discussed my son's tenor sax playing, the music scene in the East Bay, and the revitalization of Oakland as a cultural and "foodie" destination.

So, for this open thread, I could not help but revisit Hammer's break-out hit from the days when I was a young television news reporter. I worked with a cameraman named Joseph who used to call me his "fly girl" because I was, well, fly. I am no longer fly, just fifty and arthritic. But I recall studying these very hip-hop moves in classes at the gym, oh and what fun we had. And how great to remember it now. Mr. Hammer, if you're watching: thank you for your wonderful conversation with my son. The photo we took of you two is fabulous!

Please feel free to keep the conversation about any and all things Iowa, and Anon, here. (If Anon posts, let us know for God's sake!) And for all her American exceptionalism, I say, Mustang Sarah, "U Can't Touch This." 
 


Comments

mipartee
09/03/2011 10:20

ah, back in the days when rap was fun.

09/03/2011 10:22

I am pretty pleased right now. I had tried to buy your book on kindle but it was not available in Canada. Today we are heading to a wedding in Rochester and as soon as I got over the border I ordered it- and it is on my kindle now. So as long as it does not mysteriously disappear as soon as I head back home- I will be reading it.

And yes as soon as Anon posts- someone please let us know. The suspense is killing me- and I have a fear that it will not happen.

Balzafiar
09/03/2011 10:31

@Granny J

Not to worry; Anon will be back as promised. It's just in the cards; I feel it.

mary
09/03/2011 10:39

Did Anon say she/he would post on the 3rd or am I imagining (wishful thinking) that?

Looks like the rally (if you can call it that) is getting dumped on by rain. I hope Sarah packed her waterproof makeup!

Sally in MI
09/03/2011 10:48

The rain has kind of stopped for now. We had a 4 hour thunderstorm in MI this AM...lots of rain, but we are now just overcast as well. The audience looks pretty wet. Some woman is singing "can you hear us now?" which you'd think is a call to arms, but no one appears to be singing along. Guess they are just waiting for the Empress and her entourage to appear and bless them with her intelligent dialogue (I mean, hate speech.) Wonder if she has a table set up for donations, or if they'll just pass the plate through the crowd for their tithes.

Balzafiar
09/03/2011 10:51

@Mary, Anon wrote late yesterday:

"I just wanted to let everyone know I will be posting late in the day tomorrow as the wifi on my laptop is very spotty right now and I'm loathe to type a long post on my phone, lest it be compromised by an incoming call or pressing the wrong button. I've made some notes and am trying to strike a good balance between funny/embarrassing (to Sarah) things and serious, detailed information. When I check into my hotel tomorrow evening, I will post from there

Before I sign off, I have to address a couple of the naysaying geniuses who have commented recently."

Anon did not, however, write anything more about the "naysaying geniuses".

09/03/2011 12:12

Granny J., thank you SO very much for buying my book on Amazon Kindle. I had no idea that Canada was a problem. I so appreciate your support in that way. I hope you enjoy it. I hear it's a fun, fast read!! Thank you again.

And all hands on deck for Anon. I'll keep an eye out as well.

K.M.R
09/03/2011 12:32

Ahhh, the memories.
My girls took dancing lessons for years and years. To defray the cost I used to make many of the costumes. For one of their hip-hop dances, I made MC Hammer pants for the class.
Here's a picture of the pattern I used (or one similar):
http://tinyurl.com/yh8fo3w

Changing the tune to current events... I guess it was a small turnout today but they are blaming it on the rain. LOL.

Balzafiar
09/03/2011 12:34

<crocodile-tears>Oh, whatever will we do now? She DID NOT announce. Sob!</crocodile-tears>

lilly lily
09/03/2011 12:45

My twitter bot must be devastated. She hasn't twittered for 5 hours!.

She wore a long sleeved white sweater and her big girl boobs. Saw her signing mens hats etc. The men are ecstatic for their pin up girl. And they didn't have to pay for their photo ops. GAG. LOL. Well worth their money to get there.

Men with large beer bellies and ladies with extra plus sized derriers from sitting around too much.

500 people estimate, 5,000 estimate by the bots? Someone say they always add a zero.

teal
09/03/2011 12:46

I still love that video! MC Hammer mastered that dance and gave bierh to that phrase that ppl still use....Such a positive person, always making time for young folk.

You're right, Sarah can't touch "this" (= truth and facts). She just tries to dance around whatever the issue is - at hand. According to her birthSign, her best days are behind her.

TF
09/03/2011 12:47

I was intrigued by a comment on an earlier post from Tom, who mentioned that he had sent some friends cropped pictures of Palin taken during her (alleged) pregnancy with Trig.
Last night I decided to try something similar as an experiment. I cropped Palin’s head and flag pin out of the pictures from March 14, March 26, and April 13, 2008 and sent them to seven women I am very close to. None of these women have followed babygate, 3 have each had multiple pregnancies, and a fourth is currently seven months pregnant with her first child. Without identifying the woman in the pictures, I asked them to guess how far along in her pregnancy she was in each picture.
One person has responded so far – she is an evangelical Christian, has given birth to four children, and is by far the most conservative of them all, although she is not a Tea Pary member or wingnut of any kind. She flatly said that the woman in the March 14 photo was not pregnant. When I told her the pictures were of Sarah Palin, she wanted to know where the picture came from, which pregnancy, and – most of all – why she would have done it. I kept thinking I was going to have to argue that Palin wasn’t pregnant with Trig – but after seeing the three pictures together, she needed no convincing that Palin was pregnant. Her main concern was why Palin would have attempted the hoax.
I didn’t try to push any particular theory as an explanation. We talked about the possibility of protecting Bristol and then I mentioned the political benefit to Palin: that conservative pundits had been building interest in her for at least six months prior to Trig’s birth, which gave her the credentials of someone who not only talked the talk, but walked the walk. We have left it there for now and I don’t know if after thinking about it and checking it out on her own if she will decide it’s just conspiracy nonsense, but I have planted the seed, and I am eager to see how the other six women to whom I sent my email will respond.
I guess my point here is that I think we focus too much on getting people to admit that Palin isn’t Trig’s birth mother. As others have noted on this blog, there are people who will never admit Palin could do any wrong, much less pull off this hoax. There are others who may be more open to the idea, but will decide it’s just a wingnut conspiracy theory. And then there are those who will get it – maybe not the first time they are exposed to the theory, but eventually. It may take a sort of grass roots effort by email to get the story out there to where it gets some traction – and I speak from my vast success of having persuaded one person so far! But repeated exposure by various media - that is how the birthers did it, after all.

Sorry this was so long.

09/03/2011 12:55

@TF - that's brilliant! But for those of us who are incompetent at cropping, could a debunking kit be provided?

K.M.R
09/03/2011 13:11

Excellent idea TF.
I would be interested to know how these same women would respond to the same question you asked them earlier but this time with the square pillow picture?
Laura has a picture of it here:
http://tinyurl.com/3qu5muv

Rationalist
09/03/2011 13:18

i love it: a debunking kit!

09/03/2011 13:45

@TF
@Victoria

Cropping isn't really necessary. IM has the March 26 photo without Palin's face. It's a closeup of her midsection. The top and bottom edges of some wrapping (money belt) are absolutely obvious. Even with the wrapping, which appears to be nearly two inches thick, she still dlersn't look remotely 7 mos. pregnant.

Forward to the photo of the supposed Trig in his grandmother's arms (also at IM without faces) just 23 days later (Apr. 18) and it's WHAT TF!

Would someone please remind 'anon' that check-in time for most hotels is 3 PM. I hate to be kept waiting (smile emoticon here).

09/03/2011 13:48

'dlersn't' above is Finnish for 'doesn't'.

Conscious at last!
09/03/2011 16:43

OK, so now we have, perhaps, another Anonymous Insider at IM. It's a comment from the post about Brad's letter to SP.



She can't run. Well, she can, but the minute she declares, all that easy money she quaffs from SarahPAC to support her in the lifestyle to which she has become accustomed will be zilch, save a measely $5000. She'll be hog-tied and slammed against the fence.

If she makes the nomination, even as VP, she will have to publicly declare her tax returns for a number of years. Won't happen.

That and Babygate, which was just gaining traction in October 2008 without enough time to gather and archive the data and photos, before she was soundly trounced in the election.

But that was then, this is now. We have been busy and we have done our homework. Palin would never survive.

And the leadership of the current GOP hates her and will go to no lengths to smack her down.

Reince Priebus hates you Sarah. (I have sources.) He will marshal his forces against you. You know this. He will never let you "pass." You are toast on the floor, butter side down.

But just keep sucking on the end of that hose, you and Tim Crawford still have a handful of people fooled, but not for long (even as a third party candidate). I hope you, and Tim, have a hefty savings account, because you both will need it come 2012.

But what will become of Tim when the feedbag is yanked from your nose? You are nothing without him, or he without you. What new and nefarious venture will the treasurer of SarahPAC insert himself in? Jack Abramoff (his early political Friend) landed in jail and if he is still of use to Tim or you, neither one of them can declare it. Norm Cummings has been outed and has stain on his fingers from riffling the dough. Ohio is so much water under the river. Colorado and Charlie Black are dead to you. Fred Malek has been all but silent. Arizona? Giggy, but a run there would mean you might actually have to do WORK. And answer questions.

Wisconsin? Reince Priebus. (Ibid.)

Oh, I see. Always a place for you and Tim on the National Council for Policy, the actual King and Queen makers(I saw your membership entry and noted Bill Kristol's membership alongside Ken Blackwell and Larry Kudlow, one of your most ardent supporters).

Just doesn't pay the mortgage, though, does it? Membership alone doesn't translate into hard cash, Sarah. Unless you are running, or have a REAL JOB. Which neither you, nor Tim, do. Perhaps his wife will support the family from her job at Burson Marsteller. I'm sure you know what that company does and how they have supported you. Along with his mother's direction in the Federalist Society and micromangement of subgroups thereof.

You know, Tim might just have to throw himself on the hem of the Jesus robe after you wither. Not such a bad place. You might try it yourself. You know, like, sometime. When you no longer can see the forest for the trees.

Still, I am sure you are looking out after Tim in the same manner he has been looking out after you.

Give you pause, Sarah? Tim and his family connections have been riding the GOP rails long before you were, well, born. They know stuff you don't, and they have been playing you from Day One. You don't own him, he owns you.

You are outclassed, outrun, and just plain over,Sarah. You never stood a chance.

Perhaps you know this. That's why you have been lining your pockets with cash, while the getting is good and easy.

Before the curtain closes.

MicMac

8:20

TF
09/03/2011 16:47

@Tom - I really liked your approach and especially the "money belt" response you got.

But not everyone responds to the same pictures the same way - one doesn't have to read this blog to see that. For me the 3 pictures (March 14, 26 and April 13 - lined up in a row), make the most compelling case.

For those who have asked about a debunking kit, I have posted the cropped photos I used at http://www.flickr.com/photos/67139978@N04/.

This is the email I sent:

Hi everyone! It’s a holiday weekend and I’m bored. So let’s play a guessing game.

How far along in her pregnancy is this woman?* [insert first picture]

How far along in her pregnancy is this woman?* [insert second picture]

How far along in her pregnancy is this woman?* [insert third picture]


Winner gets nothing but my thanks for playing! (So do the losers!)

*Clue – These pictures are all of the same woman, same amazing, miraculous pregnancy – the first picture was taken 30 days before the last and 12 days before the second.


I'm not sure it matters much which of the pictures we first use - the idea is simply to expose people to the theory.

TF
09/03/2011 16:49

Also @ Tom: I thought 'dlersn't' was Irish for 'doesn't'!

09/03/2011 17:09

@conscious at last

I also saw this post at IM and considered posting it here. Bud Paxson was named in another post, then Paxson in relation to McCain and the T-rig Paxson Van Palin name in another. Whether all those posts are by the same person, who knows. They do seem related in the sense that they imply serious, conspiratorial gymnastics being played out among some very prominent Repubs, not to mention the power and influence that a PR firm like Burston Marsteller can wield.

Stand by as the wicket gets stickier.

Bobcat Logic
09/03/2011 17:39

@ Tom

I am one of the IM posters on the "Paxson" connection, and I can say with certainty that 3 of the other posters are not me.

Also, Geoffrey Dunn has written about the Paxson connection in his book _The Lies of Sarah Palin_ (see pages 159 -161).

The idea of a Paxson connection was first suggested (to me) by an anonymous poster at IM over a year or two ago.

The information on the Paxson-McCain-Iseman (and possibly Palin) is all out there on the Internet.

Although it took me a good chunk of time to wade through hundreds of Google references on Paxson to get to the good stuff, it was worth it!

I urge the rest of you to search on your own and follow up on all leads. New perspectives on this information may turn out to be very important.

Viola-Alex
09/03/2011 17:54

@ConsciousAtLast! Do you know who these players are? I read this comment and missed its seriousness. Thanks for sharing it here. MicMac sounds pretty informed, too.

09/03/2011 17:54

@bobcat

Was yours the post referenced above?

Bobcat Logic
09/03/2011 18:05

@Tom

I have posted on the Paxson connection previously and extensively, on this blog -- Laura Novak's blog.

I have also posted (much less extensively) recently at IM. Another IM poster got me interested in the issue a year or two ago.

I am not MIcMac whose post is referenced above, but I am quite interested in the information that post contains, and will be researching it further.

Conscious at last!
09/03/2011 18:16

@ Viola-Alex- hi!

It sounds like the voice of some type of GOP insider, high ranking staff person or family member (?)

MicMac = Mehgan McCain?? I am just guessing. But I do feel like I've seen that name (MicMac) before somewhere.


It seems as if I am watching a thriller and near the end of the movie numerous separate plot lines seem to come together(SP in Iowa, the McGinnis-AKM conflict, Babygate unraveling slowly, etc.).

Palin continues her tease, still not announcing her "candidacy" today in Iowa where she was greeted by about 500(?) people. Now we have the IM comment of another pol/hack/insider telling her that she is over-- sort of like Wholy Mary did a while back. Who knows??



09/03/2011 18:25

MicMac/Meighan McCain is too much to ask for but it'd be more fun than I've had in a long time.

09/03/2011 18:33

MicMac was the name of a frequent, daily poster at Palingates (the original one). I don't know if he still posts at PG or Politicalgates as I don't post there as much as I used to. I think that might me why the name sounds familiar to you, although I don't think they are the same at all, just a coincidence.

V-A
09/03/2011 18:35

Yes, C@L! It really is like following a thriller-- or like a picture book my children had in the 80's where there was a treasure hidden in the prose. Following all this-- I can barely explain it to my husband and not at all to my friends. It does seem as if something must happen. And yes, MicMac being Meghan McCain would be too delicious for words.

09/03/2011 18:48

I want to add my two cents about MicMac and the mention of CNP. (MicMac refers to it as the National Council for Policy, but the correct name is the Council for National Policy.) I remember reading comments by MicMac numerous times over the past three years, probably at IM, if I remember correctly. The CNP connection is one of the key elements I described in PARADIGM SHIFT. The CNP is the closest organization to what some of us might refer to in the vernacular as The Christian Mafia, the power base behind Palin. Thank you for your support.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_for_National_Policy

http://www.amazon.com/Paradigm-Shift-Matrix-Progressive-Strikes/dp/1456409328/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1315100681&sr=1-3

Bobcat Logic
09/03/2011 19:00

@ Floyd -- Right on!

Here's what Max Blumenthal (who writes extensively on the Dominionist/GOP connection) had to say about the Council for National Policy-- the group behind McCain's "choice" of Palin for VP.

http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2008/09/cnp-hidden-hand

09/03/2011 19:06

Anon at IM still has not posted... I've been refreshing all day. Something about the details and tone ring true, and I want more.

Bobcat Logic
09/03/2011 19:11

More on the CNP from Michele Swenson's post at Daily Kos on Sept 19, 2008:


"The Council for National Policy (CNP) has remained largely below the radar since its 1981 founding as an umbrella group uniting a network of over 500 members from Congress, the business community and hard-right evangelicals. The press are excluded from their secretive invitation-only strategy meetings, held three times annually.

The group is strongly influenced by the teachings of the late Rousas Rushdoony, a CNP member and patriarch of the reactionary Christian Reconstructionist (Dominionist)movement that has infused the doctrine of conservative churches since the '60s, and seeks Christian dominion over all aspects of society and the world. Pat Robertson and other Reconstructionists regard democracy a heresy, to be replaced by theocracy – establishing "God’s law" based on fundamentalist reading of the Old Testament in place of civil law.

Many adherents like Larry Pratt advocate militias - "spiritual armies" to reclaim America for Christians. Some maintain that only select Christian white males should vote or hold office. Their "culture war" is a battle to eliminate all social programs and all democratic manifestations including labor unions, civil rights and public schools. The church should assume responsibility for "health, education and welfare," and women be restricted to the task of home schooling children."

09/03/2011 19:19

Yes, Bobcat, the Blumenthal comment is an oldie but goodie! I remember that one from way back when. Keep shining the light on the CNP. All Americans need to know more about this very secretive organization. Let's drag the vampires out into the sunlight.

09/03/2011 19:32

Here's the UK Daily Mail article with photos on her speech today:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2033384/Theres-room-candidates-Sarah-Palin-teases-supporters.html

Um. I'll withhold comment for now.

Bobcat Logic
09/03/2011 19:39

@ Floyd

Yes, Vampires into the daylight, and pass the garlic!

Once people recognize the scope and power of the CNP, they will be skeptical that the Trig pregnancy hoax was just a Palin family melodrama.

Ottoline
09/03/2011 19:50

Bobcat Logic -- have you read "Republican Gomorrah"? That's where I learned about Rushdoony. Just wonder what you think of the writer's treatment of him. I think the book was just great. Easy to read and very informative.

Here's a video of the author summarizing it if one has only an hour to spare:

http://fora.tv/2009/09/29/Republican_Gomorrah_Max_Blumenthal

Ottoline
09/03/2011 19:59

Sorry, all -- I didn't see that you had already mentioned the Blumenthal book a number of times.

09/03/2011 20:01

I have not yet read Max's book, but I shall do so soon. It has been patiently awaiting its turn on my bookshelf. I also want to mention that Leah Burton's GOD, GUNS & GREED is due to be released tomorrow. It should be a treatise on Dominionism from an Alaskan perspective.

Up
09/03/2011 20:02

on a related note to Mr. Orr's, there is a long history of this activity in the Midwest farming communities.

Many years ago I made the acquaintance of a young journalist who was writing a book about Gordon Kahl and the militia movement in the so-called heartland. Young flibberty gibit that I was, I dismissed it as crazy talk. With the rise of Palin et al, I've been thinking a lot about that journalist and his book. I got my hands on a copy, and the names have changed but the organizations, the beliefs, the values are the same. My acquaintance never mentioned the christianist angle to me, but it was there.

I would recommend it as a good read -Bitter Harvest by James Corcoran. It is very much in the style of In Cold Blood, a book he much admired.

Up
09/03/2011 20:03

oops, that was Bobcat Logic's post to which I referred.

Ottoline
09/03/2011 20:09

Does anyone remember reading this at the time? 2008? I do. So it's not a fake date. He had most of it right way back then. Could this be an early version of midnightcajun?

http://cajunboyinthecity.blogspot.com/2008/09/im-sorry-feel-from-to-call-me-crazy-but.html

ginny11
09/03/2011 20:53

Anon238 posted over at IM again!:
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/more-about-nick-broomfields-documentary.html

Bobcat Logic
09/03/2011 20:54

I also recommend

Jeff Sharlet's _The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power_

Frank Schaeffer's _Crazy for God_ and _Sex, Mom, and God_.

I've got Leah Burton's book on order.

Floyd M Orr, who has been on this angle from day one, has been an important influence as well. Growing up in the South -- as we both have -- helps this "make sense" in ways it might not to the rest of you.

What I've learned from close observation of the Fundies (over decades) is that one underestimates them at one's peril.

These people are running major hoaxes of long- standing around the world. They are like the old KGB except arguably more powerful.

They specialize in blackmail (could Todd's "prostitution ring" be a part of their operations?) and in sleazy militias (could "Drop Zone Bill" and Schaeffer Cox be part of that picture in AK?) Drugs, also, too. Mercenaries, assassinations, military contractors, and more.

Evil, masked in piety.

09/03/2011 20:56

Alert! Anon is posting on the old IM thread! (I haven't read it yet, just wanted to give you the heads up!)

el
09/03/2011 21:01

Anonymous said...

I do not know if this will end up being posted. I have had several posts not go through and I don't know if it's a technological hiccup or if Gryphen had reasons for not allowing them.

I have a long (very long) comment which I will try to split up in a way that makes it easiest to follow.

Concerning Trig/the pregnancy--Sarah claims she had Todd check on "earlier flights" when she went into labor. This is absolutely false and Todd was furious with her for embellishing the narrative with this detail. He said it would be so easy to disprove because travel records would show the originally scheduled flights were the same ones they took home.

On that same note, Todd was incredibly angry with Sarah during the first quarter of 2008 for the lackluster commitment to the pregnancy ruse. There are MANY emails (which were curiously absent from the FOIA email releases) which flew back and forth between the five involved parties (plus Sarah) and the crux of most was "what are we going to do when people notice the here today/gone tomorrow belly?"
Sarah purchased the belly prosthesis online and intended to wear it daily until Trig was "born". But once it arrived, she found the foam form made her sweat, and the sweat mixed with the foam created a horrible odor. She started slacking, only wearing it when she knew she would be photographed...but even that did not last long. Several times she wore a sweatshirt or sweater under her outfit, and then wore a coat over THAT...thinking the bulk would be enough "pregnant". An email from late March has Todd complaining--he asked a member of Sarah's staff to try and convince her to take the endeavor more seriously; he said she's supposed to look pregnant, not "like a hobo wearing everything he owns".

6:48 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Concerning the "wild ride"...it was never supposed to be part of the narrative. The original plan was for them to do the roll out at MSRMC and then after the fact explain that Sarah had been feeling tired and achy so they decided to come home and luckily they got home just in time for "labor" to start.

Enter Chuck Heath. He may know more now but at the time he was in the dark. He was badgering Sarah about why she had skipped the rest of the event in Texas...he kept saying she shouldn't have blown such an opportunity and why go all that way to not even stay for the big formal event, so on and so on. Keep in mind Chuck and Sally had both been very concerned about all the travel Sarah had been doing in "late pregnancy" as well as how little she had been eating. So when he was (in his typical fashion) not letting it go, Sarah impatiently told him she couldn't have stayed for the dinner because her water had broken. She said it just to shut him up; had she known he would sing to a reporter...there would have never been any "water breaking".

I have mentioned how Sarah is scared of Laura Novak and Brad Sharlott. Rebecca Mansour assured Sarah (when Brad & Laura first began collaborating) that she would start a "whisper campaign" against them both. She posted comments everywhere, denigrating Brad's "dinky" Kentucky school and saying Laura was "just a bored housewife". Because the journalistic integrity of Brad and Laura stands on its own, the smear campaign backfired and only served to direct more attention to Brad's paper and Laura's reporting.

6:50 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rebecca is watching this thread like a hawk, by the way. She did not believe the Trig rumors before she actually met Sarah, but now has accepted the fact that only one thing would keep Sarah from proving people like Gryphen wrong by simply showing a birth certificate.

Sarah has prepared a "martyr" statement from way back when--during the time she thought she would be found out right after the election. I assume she has given a version of this statement to Rebecca and others who know she wasn't pregnant.

Rebecca wants to respond to MANY blogs, comments, and twitter posts about Sarah and her many shortcomings, but Sarah's lawyer muzzled her right away.

Concerning Sarah's appearance last night--she did not speak because she was not able to. Literally...she wasn't able to. There was doubt she would be able to appear even just to sit there. Todd was instructed to not leave her sight for a moment, not to even use the restroom or take a phone call. She was baked last night--she took pills for "anxiety" and she drank alcohol on the trip there. It took a small army to get Sarah in the shape you saw her in today. She was seriously mad that her handlers/Todd didn't "let" her speak last night...it's just not in her nature to shun a spotlight filled with adoration, but she was SO unstable last night, it would have been beyond disastrous for her to speak.

6:53 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Today required Ritalin, copious amounts of coffee, and skilled staff to clean up what they could and cov

elizabeth
09/03/2011 21:02

She's back

Anonymous said...

I do not know if this will end up being posted. I have had several posts not go through and I don't know if it's a technological hiccup or if Gryphen had reasons for not allowing them.

I have a long (very long) comment which I will try to split up in a way that makes it easiest to follow.

Concerning Trig/the pregnancy--Sarah claims she had Todd check on "earlier flights" when she went into labor. This is absolutely false and Todd was furious with her for embellishing the narrative with this detail. He said it would be so easy to disprove because travel records would show the originally scheduled flights were the same ones they took home.

On that same note, Todd was incredibly angry with Sarah during the first quarter of 2008 for the lackluster commitment to the pregnancy ruse. There are MANY emails (which were curiously absent from the FOIA email releases) which flew back and forth between the five involved parties (plus Sarah) and the crux of most was "what are we going to do when people notice the here today/gone tomorrow belly?"
Sarah purchased the belly prosthesis online and intended to wear it daily until Trig was "born". But once it arrived, she found the foam form made her sweat, and the sweat mixed with the foam created a horrible odor. She started slacking, only wearing it when she knew she would be photographed...but even that did not last long. Several times she wore a sweatshirt or sweater under her outfit, and then wore a coat over THAT...thinking the bulk would be enough "pregnant". An email from late March has Todd complaining--he asked a member of Sarah's staff to try and convince her to take the endeavor more seriously; he said she's supposed to look pregnant, not "like a hobo wearing everything he owns".

6:48 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:53 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Today required Ritalin, copious amounts of coffee, and skilled staff to clean up what they could and cover the rest. That woman was so "groomed" it was insane. And just for the record...things with her have been SO bad, her people are viewing today as a HUGE win.

The most immediate task to handle after the will she/won't she issue is Trig's absence and the increasing questions about why he hasn't been seen with his "mother" in so long. They are considering disclosing that Trig's immunity is compromised, precluding him from being out of the house except for doctor's appointments. They know it will pull sympathy for her AND lead people (even her most vocal supporters) to think "well, maybe she shouldn't run after all if she has a sick child at home..."

Bristol is absolutely PISSED that I told the story about her teaching Tripp to say "ewwww" at Sadie's photo, and doubly so after Sadie publicly confirmed with Gryphen she had heard about Bristol doing that. Bristol is actually saying that Sadie's playboy shoot negatively impacts HER...and because people "associate" Sadie with the Palins, that people will not watch her show because they are offended by the playboy nudity. Whatever helps you sleep at night (and until noon) B. I think I'm going to "pull a Palin" and invent a new word...hypocridiot. Just for you, Bristol. I hear your "Godson" is growing like a weed and eating solid food now. Ah, they grow up so fast when you deny them publicly and keep them hidden in plain sight.

I have quite a lot more to say, but feel this is enough for one day. I am going to send my notes to Gryphen when I get home and allow him to choose what, if anything, he thinks is worth sharing.

Balzafiar
09/03/2011 21:15

From Anon0238: "Rebecca wants to respond to MANY blogs, comments, and twitter posts about Sarah and her many shortcomings, but Sarah's lawyer muzzled her right away."

I wonder why Sarah's lawyer would do that? My first thought is perhaps they are planning a rather large class-action suit against all the people who have commented over the past three years.

Allie
09/03/2011 21:45

Oh, Laura, you're just such a bored housewife...and oh, Brad, everybody knows how much the size of a school means.

Do you guys recall comments out there like this? You can take Rebecca out of high school, but, you can't take the high school out of Rebecca.

09/03/2011 21:50

Thanks for the Anon stuff! Lovely reading with my first cup of coffee! Could someone post a link? Going to the first page of IM is difficult - but if I go straight to the comments, my browser doesn't mind.

But, although this is really fun reading, and helping to quench my thirst for details on the behind-the-scenes stuff - and wearing a pregnancy suit must be uncomfortable - we still don't have the story out there in the MSM. How do we get it there?

And for Balfaziar: don't class-action suits go in the other direction? They could not sue all the people who have commented over the years.

Sharon_Too_Also
09/03/2011 21:59

Anon238 & Trig's absence

"The most immediate task to handle after the will she/won't she issue is Trig's absence and the increasing questions about why he hasn't been seen with his "mother" in so long. They are considering disclosing that Trig's immunity is compromised, precluding him from being out of the house except for doctor's appointments. They know it will pull sympathy for her AND lead people (even her most vocal supporters) to think "well, maybe she shouldn't run after all if she has a sick child at home..."

I'm wondering if there isn't another reason, other than the fact that Trig might smack Sarah again . . . perhaps he has been reclaimed and they no longer have access to him.

Phyllis
09/03/2011 22:07

Ottoline

I read all of CajunBoys posts back in 2008.
I also read some of his lawyer friends posts that he linked to.
I can't remember if one of his posts that I found very interesting was before or after Bristol's son Tripp was born but he said that he believed that people would probably find out that the birth of Trig had nothing to do with Sarah or Bristol.

Sharon_Too_Also
09/03/2011 22:12

Sharon_Too_Also
09/03/2011 22:16

Holy Cow! Joe McG just shot a cannon off in the ongoing blog wars:

"I’m not egotistical enough to suggest that the September 20 publication of THE ROGUE enters into her calculation.

I don’t think Sarah gives me or my book a moment’s thought. I know she pays scant attention to bloggers, and no attention whatsoever to chronic commenters on blogs that attack her.

I wish it were otherwise, but the hard truth is that anti-Palin bloggers and commenters–like pro-Palin bloggers and commenters–talk only to each other.

There is a whole big country out there that not only doesn’t care what Palin-centric blogs have to say, but that doesn’t even know they exist."

It gets better .... or worse, however you want to look at it.

http://www.joemcginniss.net/rogue-blog

Allie
09/03/2011 22:17

V ictoria, here is the link that ginny posted

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/more-about-nick-broomfields-documentary.html

Allie
09/03/2011 22:21

Sharon TA, in addition to your thought, I am thinking it is possible the strabismus is keeping him from being seen in public.

Sharon_Too_Also
09/03/2011 22:29

Something got to Joe - this is just a total smack down to any of the AK bloggers that even spoke to him. Good grief .........

"Not a single comment that anyone makes on anyone’s blog, nor any blog post itself, will make the slightest difference to what happens to our country between now and the presidential election of 2012.

Blogging is a cop-out: cheap and easy.

If we want to save our country from the likes of Sarah Palin, we’ll have to take–peacefully–to the streets"

Mrs Gunka
09/03/2011 22:39

So glad Anon finally posted tonight! Been looking for it quite a while. The wild ride version is very interesting. Good ol Chuckie!If there is someone that was orchestrating this birth (handlers) they over-estimated her ability to follow directions or did they take over after she was picked VP when the Bristol baby fouled up her being picked? Time was running out for the McCain campaign and they didn't know what they were getting into, except she fit the wishes of the Dominionist's demands.

It reminds me of having a dream where you just can't find a way to somewhere and objects keep getting in your way...like too many babies in this case.

Don't know who the informant is, but they must have kept good notes with dates and places. Thank you. There have been so many scenarios about these babies, my mind is swimming. When all the babies, birth dates and correct mothers are identified, I hope we can finally get it all figured out and someone really knows what happened to Ruffles. The day I named Ruffles I really had a feeling he/she is no longer living and might be buried out on one of the properties of the two cabins. I pray that I'm wrong! I have not been diagnosed ESP, but have have other visions like this, and they have been true. I just want to be wrong about this baby and it was just a rental, possible thru CBJ's group for unwed mothers.Every time I looked at that baby I kept getting this vision of fresh dirt off to the side of that house in the woods, close to a large propane tank. I've been having these visions since 1985, but they have been people from my past and one TV reporter who disappeared and they have never found her body. I see a familiar road where she was dumped in the weeds in a grove. This really what has been keeping me here all these years, waiting to find out what happened to that baby.

Not one of the babies we have been shown has the same facial shape that she had. The shape of that babies head and body did not say DS!

I hope the handlers have learned their lesson and will never try to perpetrate this type of hoax on our country again. It may have worked with George Bush as the dummy, but Sarah backfired. I had no idea there were that many nuts out there that could be so stupid to run for office as what we have seen by the ones in this Tea Party movement. 2012 will be here before we know it and enough damage has already been done to our country over their obsession to take over our country. Again, today, she proved she is not eligible to be in any position to be a leader or a mother.

Allie
09/03/2011 22:42

Here are some rough notes on what we have learned and/or confirmed from anonymous' posts. (Don't grade me on spelling or punctuation...I wrote this quickly)


1) the originally scheduled flights were the same ones they took home from Texas 4/17, so changed flight

2) the five involved parties (plus Sarah) in the emails and the crux of most was "what are we going to do when people notice the here today/gone tomorrow belly?" Todd was involved from at least Jan. ’08.

3) "Sarah purchased the belly prosthesis online" – "she intended to wear it daily until Trig was "born" but she didn’t because the foam plus sweat created a horrible odor, so she cut back on wearing it

4) nothing about scarves to replace the prosthesis, but she wore sweatshirts and sweaters under her clothes for that trendy hobo look and Todd didn’t like his woman looking like a hobo instead of a pregnancy fakeroonier.

5) We were right on the wild ride – Chucky screwed that up with the ruptured membranes claim. But, you know, that is exactly one thing that really increased the scrutiny on the story.

6) we still don’t why 4/18 was chosen for the birth day but it sounds like that was the planned day vis-à-vis the trip to TX

7) I know I didn’t know about the attempted whisper campaign against Laura and Brad.

8) Rebecca’s role is still a little unclear, but is actively involved enough to be reading anon’s comments

9) This is news: “Sarah has prepared a "martyr" statement from way back when--during the time she thought she would be found out right after the election. I assume she has given a version of this statement to Rebecca and others who know she wasn't pregnant.”

10) More news about drug use, including the revelation of the use of Ritalin (I hadn’t heard that b4) and we don’t hear very much about alcohol use, which came into play Friday night.

11) The Palins are trying to devise a plan to explain Trig’s absence in the past, present and the future.

12) Gosh, Bristol is a pissypants, and a hypocridiot who seems to be taking lessons from her parents in hiding children.

Viola-Alex
09/03/2011 22:43

I think JMcG was blogging drunk. A dangerous thing. He's wrong about the blogs. The blogs will break the Trig hoax, just by having kept it alive. We're like the underground book people in Fahrenheit 451, or at least a little.

He's right about taking to the streets, but not about Palin being the reason we should. Nope. The pregnancy hoax is the key to shattering her, the GOP, and the Teap.

The simple question is how.

If this were a movie, we'd get RAM on our side.

Frankie
09/03/2011 22:56

About blogs. Joe is correct. Blogs are icing for people, Instant gratification. Nothing has been or really can be verified by a blogger penning a post. it's all speculating, and in most cases (esp IM), way off center.

Theres a reason why people like Joe Scarborough specifically comment on blogs, discounting them as cheap entertainment for sad little people.

People are gonna speculate about thing in public life. Whats funny is, we have a growing celeb base who is fighting back. Ashton led that team to mock TMZ and feed them their own medicine.

Because so much gets said, on small scale, and because so much are lies, people have given up on what to believe. And they dont care.

kelgal
09/03/2011 23:03

Woohoo!

Anonymous Insider (his/her name in my head) has finally come through as promised, with more scoop on Sarah Palin over at IM! The info sounds legit and is way juicy!

Thanks el and elizabeth for re-posting AI's comments here.

So, according to AI, there were 5 people in addition to Sarah (and Chuckie was not in-the-know apparently) who were involved in email exchanges about the fake Trig pregnancy. Likely co-conspirators include: Frank Bailey, Ivy Frye, Kris Perry, Thomas Van Flein, Meg Stapleton, CBJ, Bristol, Todd, Molly, Heather, Sally (nah)…who else?

Which of the accomplices would be most likely to cave and rat Sarah out on this hoax if placed under intense pressure/threat of exposure? That would be the person for Alaskan bloggers or any interested media figures to try to get to, right? Or, maybe Rebecca Mansour is tired of being stifled and marginalized (according to AI) and is frustrated enough to tell what she knows if approached in the right way.

The posts from AI give the impression that Sarah is vulnerable to exposure in a way she never has been before and that now is the time for a full court press (Sarah loves BBall references. You're welcome SP).

Bristol! DWTS! Baby! We all should have believed our lying eyes after all !!!!!

Wow.

Sharon_Too_Also
09/03/2011 23:10

Re: Joe McG

@ Viola-Alex - Ahhh, I didn't think about the demon rum - that would explain a lot.

@ Frankie - this may all be true but his ultra nasty post is totally insulting to people in AK who opened doors for him.

Something set him off tonight and just to satisfy my own curiosity, I'd love to know what it was .... and I wonder if it wasn't just a touch of paranoia. He may of included his book that rant but nobody will convince me that he doesn't want to be the one to bring her down.

kelgal
09/03/2011 23:24

Oh, and hypocridiot is genius!!!

Makes me think of George W Bush. Friends and family were at a party in Dallas this summer and saw W. openly drinking beer, not near-beer, real beer. You know, the guy who takes such pride in abandoning his youthful (at age 40) recklessness and embracing Jesus as sure proof of his sobriety. And yes, they were appalled to find themselves running in the same social circles as George and Laura. It's Texas though, so these things happen even to the best of us Yellow Dog Democrats.

Lordy, I hope the Bush family doesn't disappear me for this comment!

Alaskan
09/03/2011 23:51

What's a "martyr's statment"?

elizabeth
09/04/2011 00:07

McGinniss is pretty thin-skinned. But I would guess the 'blogger' comments are directed mainly towards AKM/Mudflats because they posted a 'hit' piece on Joe the other day.

McGinniss also knows the success of his book doesn't depend on anti-Palin bloggers and their followers buying it, it depends on John Q. Public buying it.

The only reason I am slightly excited about McGinniss's book is because Andrew Sullivan who got an advance copy said it is worth the read.

But based on the fact that McGinniss obviously doesn't respect bloggers and the fact that all his 'Palin' material came from interviews conducted over a short time in Alaska I'm not banking on any smoking guns in his book for us. I think it will be a well written character study of Palin with special emphasis on her 'meteoric' rise to fame within a pretty damn corrupt political environment and expose her to be just another corrupt Alaskan politician. I would be surprised if there is anything in there that any one of us 'useless' bloggers doesn't already know. That alone might be why he realizes we aren't important to him and we make him cranky. He probably came to the realization that he wasn't going to 'wow' us at all. But hopefully he wrote this book in a way that will be entertaining and readable enough that John Q. Public will sit up and wonder how this mess of a person came so close to the Presidency.

I'm not losing any sleep over what Joe McGinniss does or doesn't think about bloggers or people who read blogs. I know the value they bring and all I have to say is THANK GOD they exist.

guest
09/04/2011 00:12

Here you go. You'll all be very pleased. Sounds like Ken Morris is suing McGinniss.
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9PGIN9O0.htm

Cin
09/04/2011 00:22

One small detail convinced me that SP did not give birth to Trig. The conversation Frank B writes he had with Sarah when she was running for gov, Frank claims Sarah talked about how wonderful it would be if she gave birth while the gov. I know I read this, I can't give page numbers , loaned my book to a friend. Also I have not read any mention of this conversation on the blogs. Does anyone remember reading about the conversation in Franks book? I am beginning to think I made it up LOL mostly because no one seems to have jumped on it. Btw Laura love your blog, a must read for me daily. Thanks for all you do.

Rationalist
09/04/2011 00:31

One is reminded of the Tell-Tale Heart. Jeez.

Venefica
09/04/2011 00:35

@cin: It's on page 209 of Bailey's book. He claimed he had a conversation in "early 2006" with Sarah in which she asked him, smiling slyly: "What do you think it would be like...to have a pregnant governor in the governor's mansion in Juneau?"

When I read that, I thought: Gee, could that have been the first time Bristol (age 15) was with child? And Sarah was already thinking about how she could fake a pregnancy?

Lidia17
09/04/2011 00:40

Aside from being a ingrate to the Alaskans and others who have been investigating SP for the last 3 years, it sounds to me like Joe is annoyed that his book might very well not contain a large number of intriguing facts that will be coming down the chute in coming days—courtesy of the blogs.

Yes, he's right that he has a bigger megaphone than the bloggers. So why not be gracious—work on BEHALF of the bloggers and support them; acknowledge their various accomplishments, however limited—instead of acting snotty and superior?

Bloggers are using the only outlet they can—we don't all have Roger Ailes on speed-dial…


What a jerk…

=========
In terms of "getting the word out", I had had the idea, when Sarah's and Bristol's books came out, that people should slip little flyers into the pages. I should have made up some expressly for people to print out, but regretfully I did not.

I'm not in the US, but if I were, I'd be doing all kinds of "guerrilla marketing"—low-cost attention-getters (like stickers, "wanted" posters on telephone poles, and so forth) that don't cost much to distribute.

It's never too late! :-)

Lidia17
09/04/2011 00:55

@elizabeth, I wish there were a comment rating system so I could "LIKE" your comment.

Further, I think the blogs will be getting more traffic, as John and Jane Q. Public come to realize that Palin is a much more criminal and destructive element than even her tarnished image would imply.

I think Joe does want to be "the one" to "take Sarah down" (his reference to protesting in the streets shows he thinks that what he has on offer is that incendiary).

What he doesn't get is that people are not going to riot in the street over Sarah Palin.

They SHOULD be rioting in the street over Fox News' occupying the public bandwidth, shovng Christianism down our throat and manipulating us into wars, debt and social chaos, but that's not going to happen, either. Was Joe leading any anti-Iraq war marches, said war having been in large degree a creation of his good friend Mr. Ailes? I seem to have missed that.

Cyn
09/04/2011 01:23

@Venefica,
Thanks, When I read it, I though that women thinks there will be some payoff if she gave birth. Anyone who has had a baby know's the whole wild ride story is BS.No question if your water breaks, leaks or trickles whatever your butt is in the hospital end of story. The questions for me is why the lie,I really don't think it is about cover for Bristol. It is more about some image she is trying to cultivate.

09/04/2011 04:40

I love, simply love some of the details that are coming out through the Anon238. Like how RAM was planning a whisper campaign against Brad and his "dinky" school - as if any of the Palins have educational accomplishments of any kind - and how Laura is just a "bored housewife" - while she has demonstrated real professionalism in what was allegedly SP's chosen field.

Up
09/04/2011 05:50

Frank (and Joe McGinniss) are wrong. Bloggers have turned up info in this hoax. Specifically, Audrey at Palns Deceptions verified many of the claims of ArcXIX, Audrey also uncovered the original museum photo aka Nail in the coffin, Gryphen uncovered proof that more than one child has been presented as Trig, Litbrit made the cohesive argument that Palin either blatantly lied or has the worst judgement ever and got the story back on Sullivan's blog, Brad Scharlott brought attention to the media conspiracy, and Laura got her hands on the newer, clearer museum photos.

For me, yes this is entertainment. But it has also spurred me to learn about the christianist movement and to look at candidates more critically. And I'm attempting to share my newfound knowledge and concerns with my friends and family, in addition to donating & volunteering.

comeonpeople
09/04/2011 06:13

@tom: I have posted many times on various blogs my opinion that Tri-G’s name is a narrative. The birth announcement with the VP logo over his head is just proof to me that The DS kid clinched the nomination for her. Paxson was instrumental in the plan somehow (procurement, media complicity, something).
@ Balzafiar: Wouldn’t it be nice for the blogging world to have a class action suit against Sarah to prove to us she didn’t hoax us? Name CBJ in there are well as she has a lot to account for professionally.
@Sharon also too: Love the compromised immunity angle for no Tri-G sightings recently. This is true when he was younger (i.e campaign and book tour time, now…not so much. But nice try on their part.) Now that he is older unless he has leukemia or myelodysplastic syndrome which DS are prone to get, there is nothing wrong with his immunity. If so, oh please oh please bring him to my institution for treatment lol!!
@Mrs. Gunka: Creepy Chuckles, good for the water broke info that really gives the hoax “legs”. He was good for something, creepy as he is!
@Kelgal: I maintain that the weakest link in this whole saga is still CBJ. Despite HIPAA, she can be held accountable for allegedly practicing outside her scope ("delivering" a high risk baby at MatSu, doubt she has current credentials to do so, giving bad advice And allowing false medical records to be revealed under her name. She is accountable professionally for these things if the right people ask the right questions. I Would bet my license(s) on this statement. I've read alot of the AAFP guidelines. She broke them allegedly.
Have a nice day everyone.

JJ
09/04/2011 06:48

More from my new hero, anon238:
Anonymous said...
Hi everyone, just a quick note. Yes, it's possible for me to be quick!

I dislike sleeping away from home and so I woke up very early in my hotel. How nice to open my computer and see these many lovely messages of thanks and encouragement. You all are really making me feel like I have served a purpose here...and considering my initial posts were purely to aggravate Sarah and Bristol, that is really something.

Trig's care--he loves and is happy with his care providers, that much I know. I don't know for sure what kind of therapy he is getting, but I know they do have some type of person/people come to the home and work with Trig. Paid for by the PAC, of course. Trig was not even eating real food or starting potty training (at age 3) when his care was transferred. He has blossomed in those regards, at least. Go Trig!

And because I didn't feel I made it clear before...when I said they were considering disclosing Trig had compromised immunity and that would explain his long absence--just so we are crystal clear, Trig's immunity is not compromised anymore now than it was when she was waving him around germy crowds during the swine flu outbreak. The way I phrased it--"disclose"...I just wanted to make sure you knew this was not true and if Sarah comes out with any story about Trig's "health" as a reason for not running...it's just an excuse to appease her live-action ATM, conservatives 4 Palin.

Regarding "proof"--I agree a receipt for the belly would be wonderful but I doubt one will ever see the light of day. She bought it online, so the receipt in the box would be the only one itemized and I'm sure that is long since burned or at least in a landfill. I can't say this strongly enough: THE PROOF IS IN THE EMAILS. I am not sure who exactly decided what was redacted or left out altogether in the recent email archive. But those missing emails...those are the holy grail. I only know what was in some of them (a subject I would love to get into when I have more time) and I can only imagine what's in the rest.

There is one thing I meant to mention last night and forgot to do so--this is more a cautionary tale than spilling Sarah's secrets. When the morning came when Palingates announced its two investigative bloggers were being asked to leave, Sarah celebrated. With champagne and everything. When other bloggers have accused Gryphen of grandstanding, she is THRILLED. She is ecstatic over any hint of division within the anti-Palin camps. She still refers to the Palingates/Politicalgates split as "chopping the head off the snake".

I bring this up only because I know there is a lot of animosity between certain parties right now and I just want to remind everyone...we are strongest together.

Last notes for now--there is a writer named Floyd Orr and Sarah lives in perpetual fear that people will start paying attention to this guy. She says he's a "bigheaded blowhard" but she is TERRIFIED people will realize his book about her contains a lot of truth.

Final for today...Sarah and Bristol both are wildly angry over my posting here. Be on the lookout for some pretty manic "Palin Happy Family" posts by the dozen.


Ok, so maybe I can't be "quick". Sue me. Have a great holiday weekend.

ginny11
09/04/2011 06:51

It's funny how different people with different biases/perspectives can read the same blog post and take away different interpretations.
When I read Joe's recent post, I got the feeling that he was in "nothing matters, this woman seems to slide through smelling like a rose every time" mode. Unlike many of you here, I didn't take what he was saying about the blogs/commenters as a "dis" but rather as dejection. I think Viola-Alex might be onto something about the possibility of alcohol being involved with that blog post.
I think he's wrong that blogs don't matter, and that Sarah doesn't pay attention to them. We have at least one eye-witness account of someone who saw Sarah reading IM on her ipad or phone on a plane!
And these blogs, AK and outside of AK, have definitely uncovered many pictures and details that form the mounting evidence of Sarah's hoax on America.
But I think Joe is right, in a way, when he says that the blogs don't matter to the vast majority of "low information voters" who don't even pay attention to the nightly news, much less to the political blogs. In this way, blogs do not often have a DIRECT effect on what these people think.
We'll see what happens when Joe's book comes out. I wonder if he regrets what he did with the BA manuscript, in spite of what was done to him, and maybe that is feeding into his dejection/depression.
Or maybe he always gets this way when a book of his is about to be published, it's just that now he has this blog to spill his most negative thoughts and feelings onto, before thinking better of it.
He is right about one thing, and it's something he's alluded to previously in posts and it's something I've been thinking more and more about since the Wisconsin protests: sitting here in our echo chambers of twitter feeds and like-minded blogs is nice, but taking to the streets physically and yelling "NO MORE!" is the only thing that is going to get results!!! The net is good for sharing and disseminating information, it's good for organizing and bringing people together. But it was the fact that people took to the streets in Egypt that Mubarack's regime finally fell. It wasn't just talking on twitter that did it!!!
Joe is right, electronic media has made us lazy! Time to get up and shout and make our voices, our REAL voices, heard!!!

mary
09/04/2011 06:55

I'm looking forward to Joe McGinniss's book only because I do enjoy his writing (in books and articles, not on his blog), and also because Andrew Sullivan found it to be a great read. I find him to be all over the map on his blog. He wrote that if Sarah isn't in the race by the publication of his book, she won't get in. Well, how is that true if his book won't affect her? I do think that his publisher has asked him to sensationalize some posts and maybe he wouldn't otherwise have made certain statements. It's interesting that he claims that Sarah Palin doesn't pay attention to blogs. He almost sounds like one of the family!

Byaka
09/04/2011 06:56

I would like to join everyone in thanking Laura for this website and allowing this community to exist. This has become my go-to blog because I appreciate the well thought out commentary and the lack of flaming in the comments, even if there are disagreements. I read pretty much every comment here. They add so much to the story and give me lots to think about, whether I agree with the analysis or not.

I would also like to thank those of you who have copied over Anon's posts. It makes it SO much easier than trying to find the original post, open the comments, etc. Thank you, thank you! It made my morning to find them here.

mary
09/04/2011 06:58

p.s. - the day I "take to the streets in (peaceful) protest" of a moron like Sarah Palin will be the day that my husband has me committed! LOL.

Jo
09/04/2011 07:02

Wow, anon238 gave a shoutout for Floyd's book! I have always enjoyed his postings, so I think that I will buy the book now.

I am so glad to hear that Trig is loved and cared for. Along with many of us, I have worried about the little guy.

I am intrigued about the class action lawsuit idea. Do we, as citizens of the U.S. and as voters, have a right to not be lied to by those running for office? Likewise, do we have a right to not be lied to by supposedly Fair and Balanced News Stations? Any legal minds out there? What is your take on this? Do either of these options have legs?

rubbernecking
09/04/2011 07:21

Anon238 claims "the wild ride was never supposed to be part of the narrative." But the Gov's office issued a press release on 4/18 emphasizing that Palin's labor began in Texas. And the RGA's 4/18 press release said "Yesterday, Governor
Palin was at an RGA Governors Energy Forum in Texas where her labor began."

Did Chuck write the press releases too?

Anon238 showed up at the same time that 1) Mudflats promised to release new source material about Palin and 2) McGinnis was beginning his war with palin-blogs and their commenters. I think it is **possible** that either someone is trying to deflect attention from the Mudflats leaks OR a supporter of McGinnis wants to show how gullible some of the trig-truthers are.

Anyone who posts anonymous information and then gets angry if other commenters try to verify the information is suspicious.

JJ
09/04/2011 07:24

@Jo

Actually, Fox news went to court to defend their right to distort the truth... and won!! I have no words...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Akre#Whistleblower_lawsuit

Lou in London
09/04/2011 07:26

Byaka: Here, here! Completely agree - this is the go-to blog, and a thoughtful place to read a range of intelligent comments - long may it continue.
Many thanks to you all.

09/04/2011 07:47

@rubbernecking: I, too, have been a bit skeptical regarding Anon238, for several reasons: (1) the knowledge of the case, including the different perspectives of all the bloggers and SP "haters" is so very thorough; (2) the writing is better than we could expect from many associated with Palin world; (3) Anon238 says things that we really, really want to hear; (4) lots of information but no proof.

On the other hand, there are many things that speak for the veracity. The details are fabulous, beyond what I'd expect most people to be able to invent. If it is invention, it's by someone who is incredibly talented who should be doing something else with her time. There are certainly reasons she could want to remain anonymous (although it would be stronger if she were not). And there have been indications of where/how to get evidence, such as SP's university diploma and tracking down the emails.

Rationalist
09/04/2011 07:49

@rubbernecking -

The press release could easily have come from Todd & Sarah. She did claim her labor began in Texas, but the detail of her water breaking came a few days later when the reporter asked her about what chuck had said.

In other words, Todd and Sarah planned a "ride," but it didn't become "wild" immediately. All that about changing flights etc came after the reporter's question.

Rationalist
09/04/2011 07:53

very good points, V ictoria. Also (too), who in Palin's circle was in Iowa with her and could feed these details back to Anon? She can't have that many people with her, so the risk of "outing" the source seems high.

At the same time, there's a ring of authenticity.

Thought: it couldn't be Floyd, could it?

Owlwolf
09/04/2011 07:54

Yes, Thank you, Laura and all the guest posts for all you do!

Joe is right that we do need to take it to the 'streets' and I think most of us do by our actions with others. I tell people all the time how SP is evil and a liar.

Joe is wrong that blogs don't matter. They have become what MSM has refused to do...become investigative journalists. It is through the blogs that SP has been dissected and examined. It is because of the blogs that SP is going nuts. How many times have you heard lament about bloggers and anonymous postings? She reads them, her staff reads them, and her family reads them. They are effective. We have become an army of infomative voters because of the blogs. Not only against SP, but any others who are trying to mislead the public.

I say 'march on!' We are winning because of people like Laura, Regina, Gryphen, Patrick & Kathleen, Malia, and all the others who have sites. We, as informed readers and participants care and we are making a difference!

BicPent
09/04/2011 08:03

I found it odd that Anon238 was talking about what really was happening in Iowa (about how Sarah was "baked" and "couldn't speak" at the Machine Shed dinner on Friday night, about how they used Ritalin and so on to get her ready for the Saturday speech). Isn't Anon238 supposed to be busy with family (though staying in a hotel) in Washington State? Who is her insider? Is it someone who is with Sarah in Iowa and who spent some time on the phone with Anon238 after the speech last night?

I really want to believe Anon238 is for real. This just gave me pause when I read it in last night's post.

elizabeth
09/04/2011 08:03

Anon posted again this morning at IM...
Anonymous said...

Hi everyone, just a quick note. Yes, it's possible for me to be quick!

I dislike sleeping away from home and so I woke up very early in my hotel. How nice to open my computer and see these many lovely messages of thanks and encouragement. You all are really making me feel like I have served a purpose here...and considering my initial posts were purely to aggravate Sarah and Bristol, that is really something.

Trig's care--he loves and is happy with his care providers, that much I know. I don't know for sure what kind of therapy he is getting, but I know they do have some type of person/people come to the home and work with Trig. Paid for by the PAC, of course. Trig was not even eating real food or starting potty training (at age 3) when his care was transferred. He has blossomed in those regards, at least. Go Trig!

And because I didn't feel I made it clear before...when I said they were considering disclosing Trig had compromised immunity and that would explain his long absence--just so we are crystal clear, Trig's immunity is not compromised anymore now than it was when she was waving him around germy crowds during the swine flu outbreak. The way I phrased it--"disclose"...I just wanted to make sure you knew this was not true and if Sarah comes out with any story about Trig's "health" as a reason for not running...it's just an excuse to appease her live-action ATM, conservatives 4 Palin.

Regarding "proof"--I agree a receipt for the belly would be wonderful but I doubt one will ever see the light of day. She bought it online, so the receipt in the box would be the only one itemized and I'm sure that is long since burned or at least in a landfill. I can't say this strongly enough: THE PROOF IS IN THE EMAILS. I am not sure who exactly decided what was redacted or left out altogether in the recent email archive. But those missing emails...those are the holy grail. I only know what was in some of them (a subject I would love to get into when I have more time) and I can only imagine what's in the rest.

There is one thing I meant to mention last night and forgot to do so--this is more a cautionary tale than spilling Sarah's secrets. When the morning came when Palingates announced its two investigative bloggers were being asked to leave, Sarah celebrated. With champagne and everything. When other bloggers have accused Gryphen of grandstanding, she is THRILLED. She is ecstatic over any hint of division within the anti-Palin camps. She still refers to the Palingates/Politicalgates split as "chopping the head off the snake".

I bring this up only because I know there is a lot of animosity between certain parties right now and I just want to remind everyone...we are strongest together.

Last notes for now--there is a writer named Floyd Orr and Sarah lives in perpetual fear that people will start paying attention to this guy. She says he's a "bigheaded blowhard" but she is TERRIFIED people will realize his book about her contains a lot of truth.

Final for today...Sarah and Bristol both are wildly angry over my posting here. Be on the lookout for some pretty manic "Palin Happy Family" posts by the dozen.


Ok, so maybe I can't be "quick". Sue me. Have a great holiday weekend.

5:30 AM

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Viola-Alex
09/04/2011 08:06

Viola-Alex
09/04/2011 08:08

Class Action Suit? Is that possible? To sue Sarah Palin for hoaxing, the American people? If nothing more, it would draw attention to the hoax. . .

Any lawyers in the house?

(I like it alot.)

Yee-Hah! Floyd! No matter who/what Anon238 is, she/he has good taste.

elizabeth
09/04/2011 08:15

JJ: I apologize for posting anon again. I didn't see you did it already.

If he/she is legit it has to be someone traveling with Sarah.

And that just doesn't make a lot of sense that someone that close to her is

a. this literate :)
b. able to get away with this and still remain in her good graces.

Very perplexing...

Does she keep a speechwriter on staff?



09/04/2011 08:17

What about going after Harper Collins for hawking fiction as non fiction?

At least those who have purchased could demand their money back.

mary
09/04/2011 08:23

I understand the doubt toward Anon. However, isn't it possible that Anon is in touch (text, email, phone) with someone who IS with Sarah a lot and was with her yesterday in Iowa? I think it's possible. Who was with her besides Rechter and Todd? But then, we're going back to trying to figure out who Anon is... And round and round we go!

Sue
09/04/2011 08:23

Up
09/04/2011 08:37

i'd planned to buy both the McGinnis and Orr books, in a single purchase on Amazon. Hopefully Mr. Orr's book will show up in the "readers also bought....". Those who've read ithe Palin Matrix, please consider posting a review on Amazon prior to 9/20. Let's try to draw attention to how Paln fits into the bigger political picture.

elizabeth
09/04/2011 08:38

mary: The only reason we wonder who anon is, is because we would love to believe she is legit, but for good reasons, are a tiny bit doubtful.

Once again we have an 'insider' confirming a lot of details but no real new info.

But then again, the first thought I had watching the Iowa video with Sarah in the restaurant is that she was doped up to the max. Pills and alcohol make sense, but ritalin? Really? That is a new one and no one really stopped to question that.

I wish and hope he/she is real, but I trust no one these days. The only thing I do know about the world today is that there are lots and lots of people out there making big money by telling lies.

But on the other hand, what is anon's motive to go to so much trouble to lie? He/She obviously isn't on Palin's side, and it does seems like a lot of trouble to go to to just yank some pj posters chains(yes I confess I'm still in my pjs)

elizabeth
09/04/2011 08:47

Since anon only posts on the IM Broomfield blog I wonder if it is Nick Broomfield (or someone associated with him) himself. That would be a clever way for him to keep attention directed to his movie and his name, even if subliminal, front and center.

I'm really having a hard time believing this is someone in Palin's inner circle and trust me, I would LOVE to believe it was. The realist in me is just a bit wary.

Anyway, moving on, getting dressed and putting 'As the Palin Turns' to rest for awhile.


lily lily
09/04/2011 08:56

Her Going Rogue epic tale is a memoir...so she can say anything.

After all, it is her life.
I think when she is ready to disintegrate or has broken down the family will issue a heart rending story about Trig and a mothers brave attempt to shield her dear daughter, and that even if Bristol is not the mother.

She won't do it because she is too stubborn, but she'll be so messed up that she will be certifiable.

Ottoline
09/04/2011 08:57

Let's not speculate on the identity of anon238. It could discourage others from coming forth. The info from anon238 will reveal whether s/he is legit or not. In time. And meanwhile others in a vulnerable position might be considering whether to comment on a blog or not.

Balzafiar
09/04/2011 09:00

@V ictoria: You make good point about class-actions which didn't occur to me, so I did a bit of Googling on the subject.

Normally a class-action lawsuit is thought of as being brought by a large group of people against one or a few defendants where individual litigation is not practical.

A new form of this has been used, a reverse class-action lawsuit, against P2P file-sharers in the intellectual property (copyright) wars.

From one such case: "As for the class, it's defined as "All persons, except those with whom settlement has been reached, engaged in copyright infringement activity via BitTorrent file sharing protocol during relevant time period (October 2010, until the date the Court enters an order certifying a defendant class) against Plaintiff’s copyrighted works associated with the torrent files enumerated in Exhibit A."

So it could be done with approval from a judge but in this instance I doubt it will happen because upon reflection it would be suicidal for one certain person and her circle.

SunnyVee
09/04/2011 09:01

Hi all ! I'm not caught up, so sorry if this overlaps something above...

Laura: I love the East Bay..."Beast" in pig latin, btw :)

Has Floyd Orr been around today? I thought he'd like this comment from Anon238 over at IM:

"Last notes for now--there is a writer named Floyd Orr and Sarah lives in perpetual fear that people will start paying attention to this guy. She says he's a "bigheaded blowhard" but she is TERRIFIED people will realize his book about her contains a lot of truth."

kate
09/04/2011 09:02

anyone else tracking this?

Anon from IM post:
Last notes for now--there is a writer named Floyd Orr and Sarah lives in perpetual fear that people will start paying attention to this guy. She says he's a "bigheaded blowhard" but she is TERRIFIED people will realize his book about her contains a lot of truth.

Floyd Orr post on this thread:
I want to add my two cents about MicMac and the mention of CNP. (MicMac refers to it as the National Council for Policy, but the correct name is the Council for National Policy.) I remember reading comments by MicMac numerous times over the past three years, probably at IM, if I remember correctly. The CNP connection is one of the key elements I described in PARADIGM SHIFT. The CNP is the closest organization to what some of us might refer to in the vernacular as The Christian Mafia, the power base behind Palin.

HELLO!!!

comeonpeople
09/04/2011 09:03

If Sarah is abusing drugs, I beleive she would use ritalin over adderalSR. Ritalin gives a faster smoother high, works great for appeitite control. In my experience with adult pts, adderal SR really messes with their moods worse than plain ritalin and would only compound her mood swings more.
Also,I doubt she gets any of these meds via a doctor or that she is under a legitimate's doctor's care. I don't think there is anyone looking our for her best interests. If she was under a legitimate doctor's care, she'd be hospitalized and in therapy.

SunnyVee
09/04/2011 09:04

AND another thing...

I know we dont want to feed the blog wars, but I, for one, will not reward Joe Mc by visiting his site...even to read what he's said.

Sue
09/04/2011 09:04

Ginny11 --I am in your camp as well.
My initial reaction to Joe's blog post was emotional, it felt personal. But by the end of the post I have to say I agree with his premise. Frankly, I don't plan on the MSM participating in the Sarah Palin reveal....not unless we find a way to force them to do so. And as much time and energy that I have devoted to the "Lies of Sarah Palin" aside from recognizing that I find good company, and perhaps some relief that serves my personal levels of frustration, I have little to show for my use of time and energy.

Seems to me some people feel very protective and competive with respect to the blogs they tend to favor. The cat fights are not helping. I like them all, and see the infighting as only dissipating their potential for true impact.

One thing I have thought about for a long time, is outdoor advertising. Anti-Obama outdoor campaigns always seem to garner attention and amplification, particularily by those that take offense to them. Couldn't we do the same. Additionally, why aren't we protesting Sarah Palin's public appearances. Some amongst us have attended her events,typicall in an effort to get more information, not in an attempt to protest or call attention to the negatives we see. We continue to gather valuable information, but what do we do with it, aside from very slowly increasing the scope and reach of our audience. We need to find bolder means to accelerate the pace of her exposure.

Having said all that, I am only an observer of this mess....most of my own energies and activities are directed at what is happening in DC, and in efforts to awake those that are reachable in my immediate enviornment to the destructive forces undermining our government and brining negative impact on the lives of Americans. 2012 is in my mind a very critical election year...
I am working to reelect our President, whom I support, and try to get responsible and responsive representation into the halls of Congress. We have to pick and choose our battles. I wish I could do something constructive with respect to Palin, she is a cancer on our culture and our political enviornment.

09/04/2011 09:05

Thank you all for posting the Anon comments here. It makes it so much easier for everyone to access them. I wonder why they are not on Gryphen's newest post where people are more likely to see them?

And it's cool for people to post them more than once. Especially for my brain fog on this very cold, foggy Bay Area morning.

Hey, and if anyone wants to "whisper" anything about me, they can whisper that I was once "fly" like I said in the post. (I was also a fearless reporter!) Other than that, there's no reason for Sarah to fear me (other than I speak correct English). Oh, other than the stuff I hear, I guess.

Thank you for your great comments regarding my blog. I also, too, love this community and appreciate everyone relating to one another in a mature, graceful manner. Dissent is always welcome. Hostility, not so much. But we don't see that here really. And that's because of all of YOU. Glad to know we can all play so well together. It's fun.

Now, Anon, what else have you got for us? Ritalin, huh? Big girl speed I guess. I have a doctor friend. I'll run that by her to see if it rings true.

farmerlady2
09/04/2011 09:08

Really, I think ritalin makes perfect sense. It's normally prescribed for children and though I don't know if Sarah has kids with ADD, it would give her access to "speed" (which ritalin basically is) without the RX being in her own name. My state has quite the drug abuse problem, and from the news reports on TV, parents do get scrip and re-sell &/or abuse it frequently. Just my $.02 worth. :D

mary
09/04/2011 09:15

I have a former neighbor who was a recreational user of prescription drugs. If he knew you were having or had surgery that would require pain medication afterwards, he'd find a reason to stop by and "use the bathroom". He'd then search for your meds in the bathroom. He'd do the same if he knew your child were on ADHD meds. Ritalin is misused by adults as a speed type drug and to suppress the appetite.

lilly lily
09/04/2011 09:17

LOL

. Joe McGinniss is a bit behind the times. An analog in a digital age. A bit of a dinosaur. T. Rex?

Talk to John Kerry about the impact of bloggers. Think Swiftboaters.

LOL

Rationalist
09/04/2011 09:20

hey FYI -

I do not want to out anon. I'm just playing devil's advocate about the chance the insider anon quotes would be privy to this Iowa info. It seems too risky to that source because it would be so obvious who was leaking the info. There can't be that many people traveling with Palin.

mary
09/04/2011 09:30

I don't want to out anon, either. I want to believe her/him, but I do have my doubts. Interesting reading, regardless.

Lou in London
09/04/2011 09:32

There are a few posts calling for caution over at IM about Anon238.
I’d emailed a version of this comment to Laura earlier with attached pics as we can’t post images into the thread. But here’s an edit with the links to go and look for yourselves - I’d not seen these pics before - and Laura has to be aloud a life!
FWIW, my initial reaction to the first Anon238 was a bit WTF, because of the ‘a mother thrice over’ reference about Bristol (just how bonkers can this story get?!). But I did become more and more convinced the more I read. Then sometime over the weekend there was a reference to a couple of screen grabs of a pregnant Bristol in her AZ home (the ref is in the Anon 238 thread), but the original is at -
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=9361564&postID=31036946143558198
- Here’s the post:
Anonymous said...
Here are two screen grabs I made from that E! interview with Bristol Palin at her home in AZ:

Pregnant Bristol? Screen Grab #1

Pregnant Bristol? Screen Grab #2


She certainly appears to be, ahem, very prominent around the midsection...
8:05 AM
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If you follow the link above and go down to the 8:05 you can click through to the images. These are screen grabs which look slightly distorted (wrong screen resolution or something), and an unflattering camera angle, but I don’t think that changes the angles/lines of stomach to breast (Brad, others?). If the E! interview screen grabs are from the new AZ home it puts the date after DWTS. Bristol definitely looks pregnant to me in these shots, and these did add a lot of credibility to me to Anon238’s third child accusation.
(To be clear - the images are not from Anon 238 - it was someone calling them to general attention).

cdc
09/04/2011 09:37

I have been a lurker on many anti-Palin posts over the past 2.5 yrs. I just have to say that some of the comments today questioning the validity of IM Anon really have me scratching my head. This poster initially said to take the info provided and go from there.

Anon also indicated that the info being provided was from someone inside the Palin camp not directly from him or her.

Just today, Anon said “I bring this up only because I know there is a lot of animosity between certain parties right now and I just want to remind everyone...we are strongest together."

I have to say that I am disappointed with those trying to still figure out who this person is and those posters (trolls) that try to discredit any possibly pertinent info. Yet, I am most disappointed in Mr. McGinnis and his superior attitude. My son is a published author. I am used to this kind of writer's snobbery, but I find Mr. McG. to have been acting like a spoiled child lately. His latest post has me believing he is threatened by Bloggers and I am ashamed for him.

There are enough posts from trolls that want to distract us, we just need to stay focused and work together. Sarah Palin (and her kind) are a threat to our country. They bring hatred and violence during a time when we least need it. Remember, it is always darkest before dawn!

Lou in London
09/04/2011 09:46

Apologies for the aloud typo (rather a good lunch). Laura should be - allowed - a life!

Sharon_Too_Also
09/04/2011 10:00

@Lidia17 said: “Further, I think the blogs will be getting more traffic, as John and Jane Q. Public come to realize that Palin is a much more criminal and destructive element than even her tarnished image would imply.”

That is a really good point that shouldn’t be lost in the excitement of this morning. After all, it was Sarahs’ unintended dog whistle that brought me running to the ‘blogs’ after the RNC 08’ speech. Would bet that many here have a similar story.

@Rationalist “Thought: it couldn't be Floyd, could it?” The same thought briefly crossed my mind but I think that Gryhen wouldn’t have allowed that and I’m sure Floyd will show up here sometime to today to thank you for the compliment.
----------------

Anon238 has told us where the smoking gun resides ……. it’s in the emails. Now here’s my question to all of you:

How many people read those emails when they were in the process of being redacted? How many more people know the truth? Who are those people?

Viola-Alex
09/04/2011 10:00

Hear, hear CDC. I totally concur. I, for one, had wondered HOW they pulled Palin together for that speech. Anon238's explanation is very specific and only farfetched for those who don't know drug addiction. My teenage daughter was in rehab in the 90's-- and Ritalin is a major prescription drug addiction. The kids ON it were selling it to kids at school, who shot it up. All the kids in rehab had used it.

I believe this woman has inside information from -- yes, inside. And Yes, it's curious that the insider continues to feed the info out, but remember, this is Palinland.

I'd rather work with the info and enjoy the comments, than bust a gut analyzing the who or how.

Five people may have known about the hoax to begin with, but more know now. That includes the redactors of the emails.

I'm still hepped on the class action suit. I could certainly attest to the fact that this hoax has altered my life.

cdc
09/04/2011 10:01

Just to follow up about Ritalin. I am an adult with ADHD and I have been on this medication. While considered a prescription “speed”, to those of us with ADD/ADHD it is the exact opposite. It slows our brain enough to concentrate and calms us.

I have read posters that believe that Sarah has ADD. If this is in fact the case, it would calm her and allow her to focus enough to give her speech, but it would do little to help her deal with her manic state. (Yes, caffine & alchol are means of self-medicating.)

Unfortunately, my ex-husband's family is riddled with bi-polar and schizophrenic mental illness. Based on over 20 yrs of dealing with these mental illnesses, I have to believe that Sarah suffers from both ADD/ADHD and Bi-Polar disorder. I have witnessed how proper treatment can help people live normal lives with these afflictions. It is obvious that Sarah has not received the help she needs. A person needs to want help, but I can’t help but be angry that those in her life have sat by and done nothing to get her the treatment she needs.

Viola-Alex
09/04/2011 10:10

I really should leave my laptop today, but my mind keeps whirring. What if--

we took out a full page ad in an AK newspaper asking for information regarding Palin's pregnancy-- the way the guy did in Austin regarding Perry's sex life?

what about a letter writing campaign? to the woman who released the emails, asking that the redacted emails regarding the pregnancy hoax be released. I mean a letter a day ffrom all of us for a month. . .

Or a letter writing campaign to CBJ's office begging her to come forward.

I know these are wacky and beneath the dignity of 99 percent of those here, but do you think something wacky could tip the balance? I mean is it worth pooling ideas?

If the class action suit needs a patsy, I'm your gal.

09/04/2011 10:12

Welcome, CDC (love those initials!) Love to have new people join us. And I agree with you on your thoughts on SP.

And sorry, I had posted that I'd ask my doctor friend (not DOC) about Ritalin, without having seen all your comments on the drug. It seems you all know a lot about it.

Oh, and typos and wrong homonyms are okay here. We are not perfect and often type fast and we are all thinking about many things. No worries at all.

Talk away!! Oh, and I had another thought. "Immunity" is such a strong word. Implies serious things. I wonder if that's the aim, or if that's just the wrong word to use.

lilly lily
09/04/2011 10:12

I have a mixed reaction to anon.

As aways read with a grain of salt.

Who it is and why? Well I don't care.

The information will either prove out or it won't.

Gryphen appears satisfied as the the authenticity of the poster.

kate
09/04/2011 10:16

Ian Lazaran, main blogger at C4P. check it out! Hi Ian!
http://shealahcraighead.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/2011-09-02-One-Nation-Bus-Tour-IA-Des-Moines/G0000Z8M0YvGQYHc/I0000bpQT1S87m_c

Sharon_Too_Also
09/04/2011 10:35

@Sue - I thought your comment was great - mainly because I think Joe McG is both right and wrong - but very hurtful - and you went full circle in your thinking and ended with the very reason I - and probably many others cannot let Sarah Palin go on her merry way:

“she is a cancer on our culture and our political environment.”

@ Laura - You live on the wrong side of the bay ;-) Will send rays from SA.

Re: Sarah’s drug supply. Anon238 mentioned way early that she got her drugs online -somewhere in PA if I recall correctly - and they’re sent to her sisters house.

Balzafiar
09/04/2011 10:38

A new reply from @Anonymous238:

Anonymous said...

Sarah can't "insulate" from the person who shares all this with me because, among other reasons too complicated to share right now, Sarah knows this person can ruin her if they REALLY wanted to talk. It's a strange dynamic but once Sarah is just a footnote in history and ALL the skeletons are out, much more will be clear about why certain people stayed on with Sarah, and so much more.

For the naysayers here...let me be absolutely candid with you--as I said previously, I TRULY do not give a fat penguin's poop chute if you don't believe me. I am not going to beg and plead for you to believe me because I honestly do not care. Yes, I posted near the times when other stuff was going on BUT...I posted details about said "stuff" days before it came up on other sites. I believe that alone lends enough credence to what I say.

Regarding the comment "did Chuck write the press release"...that is completely asinine reasoning--you think because it was in a "press release", it must be true and accurate? May I remind you that Sarah and her staff are the ones who wrote or provided the information? They also put out a "press release" about Troopergate and its resultant "investigation"; per the press release Sarah was cleared of wrongdoing. Just because something is in a press release doesn't mean it's true.

Again, for those who doubt me--no hard feelings. Just skip right on by my posts.


I'm leaving on the last leg of my trip, so this will likely be the last time I can reply/post for a bit. I will be seeing relatives I haven't gotten to visit in years, so I am really going to focus on enjoying their company.

Have a great Sunday and holiday everyone.

7:57 AM

Brad Scharlott
09/04/2011 10:46

Holy cow! What a bunch of new stuff from anon!

I agree that McGinniss is wrong about bloggers and social media. They feed into public opinion, plus have made key revelations. AND they are not fattening!

K.M.R
09/04/2011 10:49

I've quickly scanned the comments here but I don't see the latest comments from Anonymous. Sorry if this is a repeat.

>>> Anonymous said...
Sarah can't "insulate" from the person who shares all this with me because, among other reasons too complicated to share right now, Sarah knows this person can ruin her if they REALLY wanted to talk. It's a strange dynamic but once Sarah is just a footnote in history and ALL the skeletons are out, much more will be clear about why certain people stayed on with Sarah, and so much more.

For the naysayers here...let me be absolutely candid with you--as I said previously, I TRULY do not give a fat penguin's poop chute if you don't believe me. I am not going to beg and plead for you to believe me because I honestly do not care. Yes, I posted near the times when other stuff was going on BUT...I posted details about said "stuff" days before it came up on other sites. I believe that alone lends enough credence to what I say.

Regarding the comment "did Chuck write the press release"...that is completely asinine reasoning--you think because it was in a "press release", it must be true and accurate? May I remind you that Sarah and her staff are the ones who wrote or provided the information? They also put out a "press release" about Troopergate and its resultant "investigation"; per the press release Sarah was cleared of wrongdoing. Just because something is in a press release doesn't mean it's true.

Again, for those who doubt me--no hard feelings. Just skip right on by my posts.


I'm leaving on the last leg of my trip, so this will likely be the last time I can reply/post for a bit. I will be seeing relatives I haven't gotten to visit in years, so I am really going to focus on enjoying their company.

Have a great Sunday and holiday everyone.

7:57 AM


K.M.R
09/04/2011 10:53

Hi Balzafiar, great minds and all that.

V-A
09/04/2011 11:01

Hey, Laura-- think I just polluted the comments a bit with my whacked ideas. I definitely need to pull back, get outside, and blow this mess out of my system. WE have sun down here in San Diego. Happy Labor Day weekend, all.

cdc
09/04/2011 11:10

I was writing a rely to Laura about her question re: "Immunity" (I am a paralegal and my oldest son is a lawyer/author) when Anon posted again.

It would be amazing if someone (Gryph, Laura, Brad,...) could interview this person via video to post online. I can envision an altered voice and Anon sitting in the shadows, but to have the ability to get questions asked and answered would definitely go viral.

I know it sounds crazy, but it has been done before.

Balzafiar
09/04/2011 11:21

@cdc

Excellent idea! Why not contact Gryphen directly and see if he can arrange it.

I like it!

bob
09/04/2011 11:26

re: the credibility of Anon 238.

It would be great if someone with inside information would really be posting to IM, this blog, or any other blog. And maybe they are. Certainly some of what Anon 238 is posting sounds credible--especially with Palin showing up at the Machine Shed looking so rough. But i suggest we all take it with a bit of salt.

I really question whether someone who is traveling with Palin, or in communication with people close to the Palin "campaign" , would also be someone who would continue to confide in Anon 238 --especially as part of Anon 238's premise is that Palin is upset over some of these revelations.

It feels like we've been down this path before. I wonder if what we have--in other instances if not this one--is someone with a little bit of real informaton but not the whole picture, but who maybe sometimes stretches her own speculation too far? I don't know but just saying we should read, but steel ourselves for disappointment.

lilly lily
09/04/2011 11:48

The point is.

Friends, Romans and Countrymen, we have loaned anon our ears.

WE ARE READING IT ALL.

Ritalin makes sense.

Palin is a fraud. We know it. If we are being led down a garden path? Who knows. Does it matter? Does Joe McGinniss matter? NO!

cdc
09/04/2011 12:10

There are people that see a glass half-full and those that see the glass half-empty. For those people that are trying to find fault in (IM) Anon's posts - you either view life as half-empty or are trolls. This person is merely giving tid-bits to us – it is up to us (as with any post) to decide for ourselves.

Again, this poster has given information for us to follow-up on. I give her/him credit for the tenacity demonstrated. So many posters have been "run off" through the years. I find it sad that if our purpose is to shut down these crazies (Sarah, Michelle, Rick) that we have to deal with those who take things "worth a grain of salt”. Like Anon said "I TRULY do not give a fat penguin's poop chute if you don't believe me. I am not going to beg and plead for you to believe me because I honestly do not care."

I am not looking for the Tea Party’s Real America – I am looking for an America that can get rid of this disease these extremists have created and a country where my children and grandchildren can have the ability to thrive. So those who call out anyone posting as anon – let’s get real – my name is Cathy. So, does that make me anymore credible than Anon or Bob?

The internet hides our identity. I don’t have anything to hide. I would willingly give my real name if need be. I am recovering from rectal cancer, in-debt because of my health and scared to death for the future of my son’s during this crazy time in our country. My life was good – then it wasn’t. I am Catholic, but my religion has not helped me heal or pay my bills. These right-wing fanatics are looking to destroy our educational system, government and life as we now know it.

So for all the “Bobs” that take what Anon take worth a grain of salt, I say who are you? This is not about dissecting other people’s posts. This is about trying to get back to a country where we can have a future to look forward to.

Rationalist
09/04/2011 12:38

CDC - Who you callin' a troll?

I gotta respectfully disagree with you. Dissecting posts is part of how our collective brain processes all the various information coming our way. It's safe to say we all share the goal of getting back our country. I don't see the glass as half empty, but I'm a critical thinker. That's what led me to this story in the first place.

I spend a lot of time in these comments just thinking out loud. I change my view as other arguments are presented. There's spirited debate sometimes, but what sets Laura's threads apart from other blogs, in my view, is the civil tone here. I love it.

V-A - I don't think a class action suit can be brought. How would we demonstrate that we had suffered damages from Palin's hoax?

However, I don't think your other ideas are whacked at all. It's not beneath my dignity to write to CBJ, or throw in for an ad. How do the rest of you feel about it?

Luddy
09/04/2011 12:45

stray thought:

Anon238 is at turns upset with, then sympathetic to, Todd Palin.

"Sarah can't insulate from this person"

"Sarah knows this person could ruin her if they REALLY wanted to talk"

(things that make you go hmmmm... )

If I were Todd, I would be just exhausted with the whole mess by now and want it to stop.




Brad Scharlott
09/04/2011 12:47

I've put together an ad offering $10,000 for proof Palin was pregnant. Would need about $500 for 1/4 page in Wasilla Frontiersman, as I recalll. I decided to hold off until after Sept. 20 before pushing that idea.

Rationalist
09/04/2011 12:51

Brad! That is an AWESOME idea. It will get a TON of attention. Where is the 10K coming from?

I will throw in for the ad. I'll email you separately - we've communicated before.

Brad Scharlott
09/04/2011 12:59

Well, since there can be no proof of something that never happened, I don't think the $10,000 would ever have to be paid.

Brad Scharlott
09/04/2011 13:00

There's no guarantee the Frontiersman would take the ad.

Lou in London
09/04/2011 13:05

Brad: genius idea! Put a donate button up – I’d contribute. If the paper won’t take the ad, how about some Alaskan volunteers putting the ads up around Wasilla – like those lost cat ads?

Mhurka
09/04/2011 13:16

According to anon238 Todd was more concerned about perfecting the hoax than sp was (in terms of wearing the costume). This reminded me of the old saying: Beware of quiet waters because you never know what lies beneath.

Brad Scharlott
09/04/2011 13:18

Lou - we could keep trying newspapers till someone took it. There are some online ones.

Saltaire
09/04/2011 13:25

Brad-I'm in for the ad...love it!
You'll probably be surprised at the donate $$ response you get.
Please do some checking around and see who will run it and what it costs.
Keep us informed!!
hahahaha...have a nice day Sarah!

V-A
09/04/2011 13:50

@Brad: I'm in!

Sunday
09/04/2011 13:56

Thinking out loud here, but would it make sense to offer a reward for proof that she was NOT pregnant?

Records of prenatal doctor visits, receipt for or witnesses of the empathy belly, the photos, unredacted emails, DNA of Sarah and Trig, drug shipment intercepts, forms from the spa, etc.

"Proof" has already been given to the satisfaction of many people: Sarah says it's so, the letter from Dr. CBJ says it's so, birth announcements, photo of grandparents with baby, etc.

I believe most people don't even know there is a "rumor" that she wasn't pregnant. But if the ad gets media attention, the story of the wild ride and other inconsistencies could be rehashed, the photos republished, the "theories" explored. Let's end this weird rumor, for those crazies who are saying she wasn't pregnant, prove it!

All that said, I'm with those at this point would only accept controlled DNA testing as proof that Trig is her biological child, but then again, maybe she used a surrogate. Maybe even Bristol -- ewwww, that's too crazy.

Balzafiar
09/04/2011 14:01

The idea of a reward for something tangible would be justified. To offer such a reward that we know full-well could never be paid is really an effort and expense with no return.

But if we raised $10K and offered it for an irrefutable copy of the original birth certificate for Trig showing the names of his bio-parents -- that might get some action. That amount of money may be pretty significant to some of the folks in Wasilla, enough to help them leave town permanently if the need arose.

It might never get paid but its appearance would have Sarah quaking in her ugly oversized shoes.

However, it might be money ill-spent because our new BFF Anon238 may eventually reveal that information -- although I doubt it. I have noticed that she ignores posted requests for answers to specific questions, something that leaves me with some doubts.

I do believe that if she is the real deal, she knows the answers but is holding back for some reason. The reason may be that she must be circumspect about exactly what is revealed because too much detail might cause an accidental identity outing to the wrong people.

BTW, I know that we all agree to not try to out this person and I'm OK with that, but for the record I think Anon238 is a "he" rather than a "she". Since everyone seems to have settled on "she" though, I'll continue to go with that. Just saying.

SunnyVee
09/04/2011 14:15

sorry that this will meet several of my own comments in moderation - so might overwhelm, but be careful with the offering money for proof idea.

Sounds great to me...but then what about the spa Lipodisolve forms that bladekatz put online??

Rationalist
09/04/2011 14:24

The idea of offering a huge reward for proof of something the public assumes is true has a wonderful Colbert-ian feel to it. It defies common sense, which is why it will be newsworthy.

Brad - one more thought - Palin claimed on a radio show she already released the birth certificate. Perhaps a radio ad with that snippet in it asking Palin or anyone else to point us to where exactly she released it?

Rationalist
09/04/2011 14:33

here's the clip: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2703332/highlight/30592

myrna nichols
09/04/2011 14:37

I'm surprised at how quickly people want to discredit the anonymous reports. They carry a grain of truth. If the person was like any other troll, we'd either tease them a bit, bait them with a rude remark or just ignore them. This person has fired up a bigger discussion.

We want to information to be true, yet we distrust it because it is stuff that we have heard or read before, with some extra details added. Only a few people have that kind of access to Palin and the private details of her life and her children. One such person could be deeply conflicted between needing to take care of her and needing to put an end to the drama. She IS sick, mentally and physically. Even if it isn't love or adoration any more, it could be a sense of duty. And, what else is there to do? Manage Sarah or let her completely self-destruct on her own, maybe harming others in the process. There must also be some benefits to keeping Sarah on track. Those donations to SarahPAC will dry up if she is "outed," and yet the people around Palin benefit as long as money keeps coming in.

I want to believe the anonymous writer because it seems like too much trouble to go through just to jerk people around and have a good laugh at the prank. The writer learns of things second hand, so when writers from a blog parted ways, it may not have been toasted with an actual glass of champagne. The person relaying the information could have just as easily said, "If we had champagne, we'd be drinking a toast right now." As the story gets passed around a little, it also changes a little. I'm not troubled by details like that.

The writer is outside of the inner circle but said that the comments are written out of concern for the person being hurt, and to piss Sarah off. The question is Why Now? Some of timing may have to do with Sarah teasing her announcement, will she run or won't she. The writer may not have the energy for a drawn out year long presidential campaign, getting Sarah in shape for real interviews, real debates and real speeches. I can guess at who is that close to Sarah, how conflicted that person is, needing to confide in a close friend or relative, and the person or people hearing the stories having concern for their confidant.

Maybe the writer wants to push Sarah over the edge. If that's all that it takes, we should be encouraging the writer to keep pushing.

mary
09/04/2011 14:47

"Maybe the writer wants to push Sarah over the edge. If that's all that it takes, we should be encouraging the writer to keep pushing." - Myrna Nichols

I agree, Myrna, and I'm reminded of an article that was on the Huff Post months ago. It was written by the (former, I think) editor of the National Enquirer, regarding that paper's investigation of John Edwards. The Enquirer had consulted with a psychologist (I think) who advised them on what kind of stories to run in order to get John Edwards to do certain things, leading up to him getting caught. I wish they'd turn that kind of attention to Palin!

bob
09/04/2011 14:51

I think that skepticism is what attracts many of us to this particular blog, not just animosity towards SP. It's also what separates us from people who just accept Sarah Palin's birth story as the truth and aren't bothered by its many bizarre turns--wild ride anyone? I enjoy Laura and her experts dissecting many of the statements and photos coming out of the Palin camp in an objective, methodical way.

Calling for people to be a bit skeptical of anyone claiming to have inside information is not the same as discrediting the poster.

I agree many of the bits do sound credible. And i will continue to read and think about everything Anon 238 posts. That doesn't mean that I am, or anyone-- who has the same hesitant view--is a troll.

And to Anon 238, please keep doing what you're doing no matter what anyone says.

Rationalist
09/04/2011 14:53

Brad, your idea reminds me of the ad that put Ben and Jerry's on the map:

http://thinkofthat.net/blog/2009/10/20/whats-the-doughboy-afraid-of/

While I'm brainstorming - one more thing about the radio ad idea is that the copy could be something like:

"SEND US THE LINK, SARAH!

Sarah, could you clear this up? On the Rusty Humphries show, you said:

(Audio) 'In that weird conspiracy theory freaky thing that people talk about that Trig isn’t my real son. And a lot of people said well, you need to produce his birth certificate, you need to prove he is your kid, which we have done.'

Sarah, we're a little slow. You said this in 2009, but we still can't find the birth certificate. Can you help us out? SEND US THE LINK, SARAH!"

Conscious at last!
09/04/2011 15:15

Some more new interesting developments:

http://palinpeytonplace.blogspot.com/2011/09/curious-e-mail.html#comments

Conscious at last
09/04/2011 15:17

Oops--To start, you have to scroll up on the link I posted above--

Saltaire
09/04/2011 15:23

Brad-What constitutes proof?
Records of pre-natal visits, a verifiable birth certificate, DNA tests, hospital records, a sworn statement from her doctor? All of the above?

FrostyAK
09/04/2011 15:28

There is another drug commonly prescribed here in AK for adults who tell their docs they can't concentrate, can't remember the name of it (concerta?), but it does the same thing ritalin does. Both are highly addictive.

The night before the speech it looked as if she was on mega doses of downers. The next day a hearty dose of ritalin (or some drug in that family) and other drugs could have put her high enough to spew her venom. I have see someone use both downers and ritalin and that is about the way they came across. Those drugs (and MANY others) were prescribed to her by docs claiming payment from Medicaid, and resulted in an OD that was close to fatal. All of those drugs are easily available on the street as well, but for a much higher price.

About Joe - I think he meant that we need to "take to the streets" about ALL of the crap being dropped on us by corporate america and the puppet government. I believe it is too late even for that - the government has been shutting down almost every real protest in this country for years. How many have already been arrested for the "tar sands" protest in front of the White House?

Anon anon seems to have assuaged our fears about Trig. But what of Ruffles?

Sharon Leighbow(sp)is most likely one of the 5 on those missing emails. I believe she oversaw the whole redaction/disappearing of emails mess.

Brad, about the ad. Very few people get the Frontiersman, and unless it was front page, it would go unnoticed. Very few people get any form of print journalism anymore here (think delivery costs in rural areas). Sorry to be a wet blanket.

Rationalist
09/04/2011 15:46

It doesn't matter how many people get the frontiersman. The story will be picked up by the media. And it will be newsworthy if no one will respond to it and newsworthy if anyone does.

09/04/2011 15:58

Did I miss this here:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/09/sarah-palin-is-running-in-iowa-tea-party-.html

Don't suppose the link will work. Palin reportedly ran a hlf-marathon this AM in Storm Lake, IA. Signed up as Sarah Heath, Des Moines, IA. The photo looks fake. Then below there's a phot with a couple of fans that doesn't really look like her.

At first I figured it was photoshopping but The story reports a Tweet:

"Thank you, Storm Lake, Iowa. You put on a great event & we loved meeting some great folks in your town today."

She was timed in 1:45 for the half-marathon. What's up? It might have been a team, two runner event.

Raises some questions maybe. Any photoshop exerts here?

Dis gusted
09/04/2011 16:10

"@Kelgal: I maintain that the weakest link in this whole saga is still CBJ. Despite HIPAA, she can be held accountable for allegedly practicing outside her scope ("delivering" a high risk baby at MatSu, doubt she has current credentials to do so, giving bad advice And allowing false medical records to be revealed under her name. She is accountable professionally for these things if the right people ask the right questions. I Would bet my license(s) on this statement. I've read alot of the AAFP guidelines. She broke them allegedly."


I bet $$ that CBJ delivered a child to an underage minor and victim of sex abuse. She did not deliver the baby at MatSu.


It will be nice to finally know that TriG is home with his parents and getting the therapy he should have had all along.

Jayne
09/04/2011 16:47

Brad: Instead of the newspapers put your ad on Anchorage Craigslist. Put it everywhere from Farm&Garden to General!
A lot more people will see it that way, and its free!

comeonpeople
09/04/2011 16:56

@Viola-Alex,
Yes a writing letter campaign is worthwhile. Bombard CBJ and the AAFP. Bombard MatSu, I made a JCAHO complaint re MatSu but unfortunately it was outside the time frame, statute of limitiations. BUT, they said if enough people brought it to their attention in adddition to my compalint and the few others they received, they could "re-look" at it. So, there is that.

@Rationalist: re the class action suit. How about this angle: If Palin fakes a pregnancy yet Alaska airlines flight attendants didn't notice the huge Gusty belly, what else are they not noticing? It makes ME afraid to fly their airline. I am damaged with fear to fly on a plane if the flight attendants can't see a huge belly for what it is. The safety of theflying public is in peril. What about that angle?? But, if she didn't really have a huge belly on any of her flights, then she obviously hoaxed us, the flight attendants missed nothing, and the flying public need not worry about the attention the flight attendants had to their job.
I have all the addresses of MatSu, JCAHO, American Academy of family practice physicians and can repost if we are serious about these letter writing campaigns.

Venefica
09/04/2011 17:27

Many thanks to those who've re-posted the "Anon/Anon238/me again" comments here. They're not easy to find over at Gryphen's (are all of them in the Broomfield thread?).

Anon's comments are more than tantalizing and do have the ring of truth. I remain skeptical, though: I just can't accept that words such as "eviscerate" and "gargoyle" are in Sarah Palin's vocabulary. It's also difficult to believe that anyone other than Todd Palin would have the knowledge and access that Anon's source has. And I can't see him behaving so powerfully against his own self-interest (and his childrens').

As for "THE PROOF" of babygate being in the emails, didn't many people see the emails during the redaction process? Perhaps I'm being naive, but wasn't the SOA Attorney General's office involved? Didn't multiple lawyers and/or paralegals wade through thousands of emails for months on end? If the proof of babygate was there, why hasn't SOMEONE leaked that information?

Alternatively, if the key emails were "disappeared" in advance by an involved insider (e.g., Sharon Leighow), there wouldn't have been any need for them to be reviewed/redacted/withheld during the FOIA process...they simply weren't available.

BTW, I name Sharon Leighow because I suspect she's one of the inner circle who knows absolutely everything. See Malia Litman's superb blog post, "Blind Allegiance of Sharon Leighow and Sean Parnell to Sarah Palin" at http://malialitman.wordpress.com/2011/06/15/blind-allegiance-of-sharon-leighow-and-sean-parnell-to-sarah-palin/

Balzafiar
09/04/2011 17:38

@Venefica

Re: finding the Broomfield threat.

It's easy. Once you find it, bookmark it. When you want return to it, it will be there. It is currently over 200 posts so everything new is on page 2 of the thread.

And to answer your question, yes, they are all in the Broomfield thread.

Up
09/04/2011 17:48

Comeonpeople, I'd suggest another avenue of attack - Community Health System, the Fortune 500 Company that owns Mat-Su Regional Medical Center.

http://www.chs.net/company_overview/index.html

There are a few people I'd suggest contacting. Andi Bosshart, Vice President - Corporate Compliance Officer and Privacy Officer would be a good place to start, with a copy to Lynn T. Simon, M.D., Senior Vice President and Chief Quality Officer.

Address:
4000 Meridian Boulevard, Franklin, TN 37067 • Telephone:(615) 465-7000

Note your concern about the reported delivery of a high-risk pregnancy at a hospital which does not have the capability to provide these services. Do any of the medical professionals have recommendations for what else to include in the letter?

Look at the list of facilities and find out if there is one in your area.

http://www.chs.net/hospitals/map.html

If so, mention that in your letter - if one of their other hospitals would exhibit such disregard for rules, regulations and patient safety, would your local hospital also be this way?

Do a little research. Find out if CHS is trying to develop an addition or acquire a new hospital in your area. If so, copy this guy with your letter: Kenneth D. Hawkins, Senior Vice President - Acquisitions & Development.
In many states, a hospital has to get state approval for transfers of ownership and major capital projects. A problem at another facility controlled by the organization (or person in key management/board positions) could gum up the works on these projects.

myrna nichols
09/04/2011 18:26

During the Clinton impeachment hearings, Larry Flynt offered a million dollars for concrete proof, pointing to a congressman who had an illicit affair. He got about 8 valid tips with proof. Henry Hyde called it a youthful indiscretion (at age 42). The newly elected Speaker of the House suddenly resigned. A million dollars is a powerful incentive. People go to an isolated island and eat worms or rats for that kind of money.

One possibility it to team up with Larry Flynt. He loves publicity, and he loves "outing" people who deserve to be "outed."

On another subject, the emails: what's missing are the regular doctor appointments that a normal pregnant woman would have on her calendar. Reading through the emails for February 2008, there is only one appointment in Anchorage mentioned, at 3:30 PM.

Carrying an at-risk baby, and being over 35 years old would mean that Sarah should have been seen more often than regular monthly checkups. It is hard to imagine that Sarah would continue to be seen by Dr.CBJ, whose practice specialized in abused children, not obstetrics. Surely, a caring doctor should have made sure that Sarah, The Governor, was seen by an OB-GYN who specialized in at-risk births. No regular appointments or even the email saying that every other Tuesday afternoon was not available for official business. There wouldn't have been any reason to redact emails like that if they existed. They would have pointed to a Palin Pregnancy if there had been one.

CP
09/04/2011 19:02

Look at Todd watching Sarah in this pic.

Also, too......anybody know who the blond older lady is on the right? She seems to be front and center in all the Iowa pics, taking her "protecting" job very seriously.


http://shealahcraighead.photoshelter.com/gallery-image/2011-09-02-One-Nation-Bus-Tour-IA-Des-Moines/G0000Z8M0YvGQYHc/I00001ExN.enQoe0

Another also, too. I am an adult diagnosed with ADD, and have taken Ritalin on and off for years, I never found it addictive but it definitely helped me focus on daily matters without being distracted a million times. I've also developed focus organizing coping mechanisms so I don't always take the med. It decreased my appetite at first, but that does not last.

I saw signs of ADHD in Sarah when I first started watching her Aug. 08, it totally explains her scatterbrained jumping around sentence structure. She totally reminds me of my ADHD daughter who has highs followed by lows in energy drive, both levels with inability to concentrate without Ritalin or help focusing and completing tasks.

This also explains Sarah's inability or boredom with doing mundane tasks, and explains lack luster interest in learning new skills.

If she's abusing Ritalin for energy it would take larger and larger doses to get her functional then something to get her to relax. Not a good cycle to get into, very hard on your health and nerves, not to mention liver and other organs.

I have a feeling Chuck and Sally helped Sarah compensate and get by in school and have just accepted Sarah's condition as "that's our Sarah", it's too bad. They've helped create a self absorbed spoiled monster child.

I also think she may have other mental health issues which drug abuse would magnify and worsen.

rubbernecking
09/04/2011 19:03

I'm the person who asked "Did Chuck write the press release too?".

The question was sarcastic. Sarcasm is a bad habit of mine. Here's the non-sarcastic version of the comment:

Palin's office issued a press release early on 4/18 emphasizing that Palin's labor began in Texas. The RGA repeated this info in the press release they issued later the same day. I believe this shows that Palin wanted this information released.

Anon238 says Palin never expected her father to "sing to a reporter." But this does not appear true. How/why did the "labor began in Texas" become part of the 4/18 press release if Palin did not want this publicized? I fail to see a major difference between "labor began" and "water broke".

To be crystal clear, I am NOT saying the press release is factually true. I am saying the press release is what Palin *chose* to say about the birth. She *chose* to tell the public that her labor began in Texas.

I'm not asking Anon238 to beg or plead. I'm pointing out where Anon238's information seems to conflict with other sources.

Brad Scharlott
09/04/2011 19:20

rubbernecking: I think Palin needed an excuse for not staying throughout the governors conference and slipping back into Alaska virtually under the cover of darkness, without being met by state police, notifying staff, etc. She was literally out of touch with every one for many hours - how can a governor of a state explain that? She wasn't hiking the Appalachian Trail. So saying her labor started was her excuse. That's a lot different from saying your water broke - infection and death of infant can come from the latte. So I see no problem in what anon said.

09/04/2011 19:28

Great attention to detail everyone. And Brad, you remind me of those niggling details that I always forget. The "cover of darkness" details. The fact that she arrived just after shift change for the O/N shift, and then "gave birth" just before shift change into the busiest shift of the day.

You are all providing excellent information here...ways we might continue to pursue this story. Thank you!

Meantime, interesting the different take people are getting on Anon's sex. I'm not interested in outing or identifying Anon. It doesn't matter to me. But it's interesting how his/her sex is striking people differently. And I wonder if that matters to us or helps us in any way. Just a thought.

Balzafiar
09/04/2011 19:32

@rubbernecking, it really depends on the source. If the information can be traced back to Sarah, then it should be suspect because she has clearly tried to stage this whole thing to fit her various stories.

I tend to believe what Anon238 has written so far.

Freckles
09/04/2011 19:45

Tom, I've been reading about the fake 1/2 marathon on IM. The consensus seems to be that the picture was photoshopped.

Also (too!),IF Sarah DID run, the 1/2 marathon was run as teams of two, with each participant running 6.5 miles, not 13.

The picture of "her" with the couple doesn't show sweat on her t-shirt. Don't you think that there'd at least be some underarm sweat after running 6.5 miles? There's another picture of a sweaty chest, but again, no underarm sweat.

She really does read all these blogs, doesn't she!

09/04/2011 19:49

It is my strong belief that Anon is a woman and she is a legitimate source. I have read every post she has made, some multiple times, and I think she is a woman who is telling us what she knows. She is asking that we do not ponder her identity, and I think we should respect that.

I would like to remind everyone of a couple of key elements. She said that she probably knew Shitfire and that that person was concerned that her identity would be exposed to Sarah. She made it clear that she, on the other hand, was concerned only about the Palinbots. I understood Anon to be saying that she is concerned for her job, one in which she may work for or with Palinbots. Her implication was that Shitfire had a somewhat different situation. We discussed earlier that Gryphen could verify Anon's location at the least, and maybe even her direct IP address. This leads me to think that Gryphen is correct in accepting Anon as legitimate.

My hat is off to Anon because she absolutely made my day by letting me know that Sarah Palin is scared shitfireless that readers will discover my book!

Bobcat Logic
09/04/2011 20:03

@ Floyd:

Any guesses as to what SP is specifically concerned about readers discovering in your book?

mxm
09/04/2011 20:09

Brad, have you an opinion on the photo of Sarah at the IA marathon? Do you see any evidence that the photo has been edited in any fashion?

There are many opinions from anon experts, spouses of experts, and commenters on whether or not the photo has been altered. You have some cred in this area, will you offer your thoughts?

Regardless, staging an appearance at various points in the race is something that the Palins would do to convince the world that she has health and vigor.

Brad Scharlott
09/04/2011 20:16

I think the picture looks a bit odd simply because of her position. But look at her shadow - it's there, though light. Nobody with the requisite skill to fake that would do take the time to do so. It's real.

09/04/2011 20:21

That's a good question, Bobcat. If I understand correctly, you have read it, so your guess might be as good as mine. I would venture this, though.

I cannot help but think the book as a whole, with all the historical and economic ground it covers, is somewhat outside her realm of thought. However, I do wonder if she felt we would never connect her to CNP and the true reason for the faked pregnancy. Some people might think The Babygate Timeline holds the clue to her apprehension. There is so much ground covered there that it might be difficult to guess exactly which part has her excited. Of course we do not know how much of the book either Sarah or her minions have read. Although it appears at first glance to contain all the Babygate material in only one chapter, we both know the timeline sets the tone and then Sarah's scams are presented within the context of many separate issues as the chapters unfold. I guess I would say the answer to your question is, I don't know. I did try to throw everything at the wall to see what would stick. I guess something did.

Brad Scharlott
09/04/2011 20:25

And I have no trouble believing she ran the race. She looks like she's in excellent shape. She was known as a runner before the VP election. She has time now to devote to physical fitness. Why would she want to do a fakeroo on something as trivial as a half marathon.

Bobcat Logic
09/04/2011 20:28

@Floyd:

I'm thinking it might be the CNP and the true reason for the faked pregnancy.

But then it is hard to put myself in SP's place reading your book! I'm wondering if Anon has read it?

elizabeth
09/04/2011 20:42

09/04/2011 20:49

@Brad--anon238 said that Palin isn't a runner (anymore maybe) and isn't fit at this time. There are emails that prove that her photo shoot running with Trig was a setup. An asst. had to locate the running type stroller that they used. Fit, unfit, I don't care either way.

The fact (for me) is that if the March 26 photo is real Palin wasn't pregnant and no way did she give birth to anything but a huge lie on April 18. This is not a matter of speculation.

The reason I loathe Palin and her type is that they use deception to create a 'truth'. This has been going throughout the history of Christianity (the only religion I have any familiarity with and unfortunately so--I've only barely survived it). She needs to fall and hopefully she's the first domino.

"Good people will do good things, and bad people will do bad things. But for good people to do bad things -- that takes religion."---Steven Weinberg

Palin fits nicely in the second category, those blinded by her in the third I would guess.

mxm
09/04/2011 20:50

Thanks for your read on this Brad. I would like to suggest that there may be 2 reasons to motivate staging participation in the race.

Anon 238 provides these motivators:

1)Yikes, next I might have to mention that ketamine ointment.

--followed up with --
The ketamine gel is one of Sarah's dirty little secrets. She says it's for "shin splints" but I know that's bull because Sarah is actually in awful shape. She pretends to be a runner, saying "sweat is my sanity"..but if you think back over all the times she has "run" on camera...it's only enough actual running to get a camera shot. She talks like a serious athlete but that is SO not true.

Her "tight abs" line is just...beyond. Any woman who's had four kids knows there are some things that are just never "tight" again.

She orders the ketamine gel from a pharmacy in, I think it's Pennsylvania. Her doctor faxes a prescription and she has it shipped to her. At her sister's house, where all her "embarrassing" mail goes.

--followed by --
A note of clarity regarding the ketamine gel--I should definitely state for the record-- Sarah is not a ketamine "addict". She really does use it for pain, I believe...not for running related injuries as she claims, but for the joint aches and pains that accompany being constantly malnourished and stressed.

2)Concerning Sarah's appearance last night--she did not speak because she was not able to. Literally...she wasn't able to. There was doubt she would be able to appear even just to sit there. Todd was instructed to not leave her sight for a moment, not to even use the restroom or take a phone call. She was baked last night--she took pills for "anxiety" and she drank alcohol on the trip there. It took a small army to get Sarah in the shape you saw her in today. She was seriously mad that her handlers/Todd didn't "let" her speak last night...it's just not in her nature to shun a spotlight filled with adoration, but she was SO unstable last night, it would have been beyond disastrous for her to speak.

Today required Ritalin, copious amounts of coffee, and skilled staff to clean up what they could and cover the rest. That woman was so "groomed" it was insane. And just for the record...things with her have been SO bad, her people are viewing today as a HUGE win.
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Because of these comments that allow a glimpse of her real world, she and her handlers/puppet masters may well want to convince supporters that she is strong and healthy. Oh year, and she smokes.

elizabeth
09/04/2011 21:03

I too Photoshop quite a bit and the one part of the picture that seems very suspect to me is the heel of left (forward) foot. The squareness of the heel is very strange. The trick with photoshopping pictures into other pictures is to make pictures blends and that usually means enlarging pictures almost to a pixel level and removing unnecesary pixels. To my eye, that left heel looks very unnatural and too square as if pixels had to be removed to make it 'fit'.

But I too wonder why she is on the grass about the hit the curb while flying through the air - makes no sense to me at all. And if she is running from the side to get into the race why is no one looking at her - no one!!!!

More fraud from the fraud. She may have been there for the photo-ops but can someone tell me why if she was there to run 'incognito' there is conveniently just this ONE picture 'taken' to send off to VanSustern?

but I see Joe Mc is still doing his darndest to keep the bloggers from stealing his thunder by insulting them in anyway he can. But what I really think is going on is that he is trying his hardest keep Palin 'relevant'. Sorry Joe, I think you are fighting a losing battle.

I'm curious what anon-me-again will say about this little photo op. I realize he/she did warn to look at any picture ops closely but I think he/she meant with regards to Trig. I guess his/her advice could apply here too. I'm a bit curious though with his/her insider connections he didn't warn that Team Palin was off to do serious damage control after the 'drugged to the gills' rumors started circulating. This had to take a little organizing from the inside unless it really was a spur of the moment decision. Just things that make one go hmmm.
















09/04/2011 21:07

Brad, I don't want to belabor this but I took a closer look at the photo and I see the shadow or shading that you referring to. I'm not sure it's a shadow. No one else has one and they're running on asphalt. Also, I think I read that Palin ran the second leg. That photo is the start, otherwise there'd be much more spacing. And why is she there, at that spot, on the grass?

09/04/2011 21:14

Yes, Elizabeth, no one looks over at what appears to be a cheater. Someone butts in on me I'm looking up. There's not the slightest bit of interest from any of the competitors. Where's her left arm? Wouldn't it have to be hanging down by her side and not in running position? For someone who wrote that he didn't care I'm paying a lot of attention.

Brian
09/04/2011 22:01

I can't tell if the running photo has been manipulated, as strange looking as it may be. I've said this before about other Palin related photos--there just aren't enough pixels available to say anything definitive.

However, a 1:45 half marathon is an exceptional time for a 47 year old female runner. Only someone in top condition who trains religiously could do it. Unless there are mitigating circumstances, it is not credible that Palin ran that race in that time.

Lidia17
09/04/2011 22:09

The version I have seen of the race photo is too small to tell very much, and I am not going to come down one way or the other definitively.

I will point out two oddities:

1.) Sarah seems to be in sharp focus while everyone behind her is slightly blurry or soft-looking. While it's true she is one of those closest to the camera, there's no reason why the depth-of-field would be so shallow (the lens wide open) for an outdoor sports event.

2.) Why is she "sprinting" while everyone else is practically strolling? Given the crowd, it's hard (but not impossible) to imagine that speed and trajectory. And why is she coming in from the side?

09/04/2011 22:21

Even if she was there and even if she ran the whole race, that doesn't mean that she gave birth to Trig or that she has a college degree, the claims that matter. But I agre that the photo is really weird - why isn't she on the street with the other runners?

Lidia17
09/04/2011 22:23

@BradS, I get what you are trying to do with the ad, but I would try to ascertain whether there is indeed any hope that a MSM outlet (something a little more visible than "Business Insider") will pick up the story.

That's going to be the conundrum.

Why should they report on your ad, when it is just going to open up the very can of worms that they are trying to keep closed? Have you cultivated a sympathetic ear anywhere since the circulation of your paper?

I agree that waiting until after the 20th is preferable. Let Joe's book "soften people up" and draw some attention back to Her Nastiness.

09/04/2011 22:38

OK, I must be a Palin addict. But where is her left arm? Every other runner has two arms. Palin, in the front of the picture, should have the arms which are easiest to find.

Allie
09/04/2011 23:21

The new perspectives from everyone combined with the consensus building is just great. My humble opinion.

Floyd, kudos for being on Sarah's short list of "haters." :) There must be something right in your book!

There have been many ideas thrown out to get this story out there and being able to think out loud here is very beneficial to our mission.

My thought on sending letters to CBJ: there is no upside for her to come forward. Altruism and telling the truth aren't enough motivation to throw her medical career down the tubes, because that would be the result.

Before you send that letter to the corporation which owns Mat-Su (or should I say "who" owns Mat-Su because corporations are people, right?), remember this: are we even sure Trig was born at Mat-Su? We have unverified info that he was born in Anchorage. The only things that tie him to Mat-Su were that fake photo op on 4/18 and Sarah's say so. Now THAT is something we could ask about. How did that KTUU interview on the Mat-Su campus get arranged? We KNOW that happened. Then we have those photos of the LDRP rooms of green-shirt Levi but when and what baby? I just think the facts connected to this corp. are so vague that they could be easily brushed away and I don't know how valuable the spent time would be. As a group, we would just be labeled looney and I don't see how that helps our cause.

I am just saying we have to be really targeted and credible in our approach.

The Joint Commission could find out in one phone call if Trig was even born at Mat-Su. And what Joint Commission standards do we think Mat-Su violated? Unless we are talking about a phony photo op? If it is about "allowing" a high-risk, premature birth to occur, does that not require believing that the due date was real, the wild ride was real, the induction was real and that SP really delivered Trig in spite of our photographic evidence to the contrary? Who is on that page? Besides, if the story is true, the hospital might be covered by the EMTALA law that doesn't allow transferring a woman in labor (and prolonged ruptured membranes would be included) unless it can be done safely to a higher level of care. Defining "safely" is dicey, too, and the fine if you're determined to have misjudged safety is $50,000.

I'm not trying to be contrarian, here, or throw cold water, just being a realist. Now, tell me how we can use our information to write these letters; on what should we focus our questions and complaints, and to whom should they be sent?

Cyn
09/04/2011 23:33

Brad, I am in for an ad.

A few thoughts I have been following the Sarah saga since the day she appeared on the national scene. Last night was the first time I have posted a comment re: Palin. That said I have a couple strong impressions, 1st I think Gryphen knows who Anon 238 is and may know her personally. 2nd I strongly believe as soon as something comes out via MSM about Sarah that has "legs" people will shake the fear of Sarah and start talking.

Please excuse typo's etc I have cast on my left arm.

rubbernecking
09/05/2011 04:26

@Brad, didn't Palin leave Texas on her originally scheduled flights??

The RGA travel bookers and Palin's staff knew her TX flight plans. The flights were booked *days before* the Wild Ride.

If Palin travelled on her original flights, she was formally scheduled to leave the conference early and arrive in AK after 10PM.

If Palin changed her travelled plans without telling her staff, this is new information. However, this would also contradict what Anon238 says about the flights.

So which is it? Was she on her original flights or not?

comeonpeople
09/05/2011 05:00

I fail to see a major difference between "labor began" and "water broke".

@rubbernecking. They are indeed two distinctly different occurrances. You can be in active labor and your membranes never rupture on their own and the clinician needs to be break them. You can have your membranes rupture but contractions have not begun. That is why it is imperative to get to a hospital if they rupture and you are not in labor. There is a risk of infection risk and if your body doesn't go into labor on it's own, you need to be induced to have the baby to decrease risk of infection.
My membranes ruptured with my first pregnancy, contractions started on their own 5 1/2 hours later at the hospital, which I arrived at within 90 minutes of rupture. With my second, labor began the day before a scheduled C-section without membranes rupturing, so I had the c-section a day early.
Hope this helps you see the difference.

comeonpeople
09/05/2011 05:13

I'm not trying to be contrarian, here, or throw cold water, just being a realist. Now, tell me how we can use our information to write these letters; on what should we focus our questions and complaints, and to whom should they be sent?
@Allie,
My letter to JCAHO focsedon the facts as Palin presents them in all her speeches, books, etc. MatSu allowed the delivery of a high risk baby by a woman who needed to be INDUCED, at their facility that did not have a NICU, a pediatric or neonatal intensivist by a physician who is a FP physician. I threw all her own words back in the complaint.
From my response, JCHO only issue was that the complaint was outside the time statute of limitations. If we use arah's own incriminating words in the letters about CBJ, MATSU, then the onus is on them to clear their good names.
Look, if very few people do it, of course it will continue to die. If many, many, many people write, we may get somewhere. I have been on a single lone nurse letter writing cmapaign for three yea,rs now as have some others. We need a raging river, not a trickling brook of inquiry.

comeonpeople
09/05/2011 05:25

Sorry,
One last comment.
Palin may well have run some of the race yesterday, aided with speed pills. My sister has lost 120 pounds this year, aided by three types of speed. She has never trained as a runner but occasionally now runs 5ks on a whim. She is that jacked up. Healthy or prudent to do? Don't think so, (well healthier than being 300lbs).
So, yes, if Palin used to run, she could run some parts of that race yesterday, maybe even all of it with some chemical incentive to help her along. I firmly believe it.
How sad that she reads these blogs and does this race to save her image rather than to really enjoy an activity?
The fact that she did it virtually incognito does give me pause to think she jumped in at some part of the race, but didn't do it all. If she was really in shape to finish at that fine speed, you'd think she want the maximum exposure of her grand self to all the peeps of the world.

rubbernecking
09/05/2011 06:39

@comeonpeople, let's be clear about what we are debating.

Anon238 tells us that Palin never intended to publicize the Wild Ride. Allegedly, she told her father her water broke in TX simply to end an argument that occurred when he visited her in the hospital and grilled her about leaving the RGA conference early.

I have problems with this story because Palin's office issued a formal press release on 4/18 announcing that her labor began in Texas. I'm arguing that Palin *chose* to share this information. When her staff forwarded the RGA press release which also included this detail, no one objects or asks for a correction.

Palin wanted the public to believe her labor began in Texas. She and/or her staff made an effort to publicize this detail. Palin began to back-pedal only when the press started asking detailed questions about this.

When I say I see no difference between "labor began" and "water broke" I am talking about her decision to board a plane in Texas. Her decision to board a plane, allegedly believing that her labor had already started, is the crux of the Wild Ride.

To be crystal clear: I am challenging Anon238's claim that Chuck's big mouth launched the Wild Ride. I believe Palin's press release and her reaction to the RGA announcement **prove** that on 4/18 Palin wanted the public to believe her labor started in Texas.

p.s. No need to call me stupid or remind me that the press release may contain false information. I am arguing that the press release is what Palin, not her father, chose to say about the birth.

09/05/2011 06:55

@Rubbernecking:

She needed a good reason to leave TX early, and labor was planned to be it.

The ride was already stupid if she were in labor. It became absolutely nuts with the assertion of leaking water.

The leaking water came from Chucky, dialing up the insanity of the wild ride.

I think it adds more credibility to Anon238.

mary
09/05/2011 07:10

@Victoria, I've always thought that Chuck made a boo boo (innocently, but due to a big mouth) when he told a reporter about the water breaking. Therefore, Anon's recent comment made a ton of sense to me. Still hopeful that Anon is legit. Happy Labor day everyone!

mary
09/05/2011 07:14

Regarding the difference between labor beginning and water breaking... I gave birth to 4 children and my water broke before labor began only once. With the others, labor began with contractions. In 2 cases, the nurses or doctor broke my water. In one, my water broke on its own during a huge contraction at the hospital. In the one case where my water broke at home, labor had to be kicked in at the hospital, via pitocin.

jk
09/05/2011 07:41

Stray thought...could anon238 be Joe McGinnis, simultaneously stirring up interest, sharing tidbits from what he knows (but not too much), attempting to tamp down dissent among the bloggers, and maybe having some fun with the blogging community (which he clearly sneers at) whilst he's at it?
Didn't McG say he was going to shut down the comments to his own blog on 9/3? Did that date coincide with planned travel?

Ram it
09/05/2011 07:56

To me, it appears the first marathon photo released captures a person simply passing slower participants. There is CLEARLY a road full of people to her left and she is clearly more speedy than them. Joe is correct. Anti Palin bloggers discredit themselves when they false accuse.

bob
09/05/2011 07:57

re: the running picture

Many comments have focused on Sarah running on the grass. I've run many races and it's common in a crowded race to sometimes go to the side to get around other runners. Races that include walkers should separate the walkers into the back but they often don't. Walkers tend to walk with their buddies, several across. Many times i've run around walkers by going on to the sidewalk or grass. This looks like the start of the race-walk as it is somewhat crowded. If Sarah ran the first leg and her cohort ran the second leg, by the time the cohort passed the finish line, sarah would have cooled down and would not have looked exhausted and sweaty by the time the picture with fans was taken.

The race picture is odd but i think it's probable that it's for real. The guy in the blue sneakers looks odd too. I think it's just that it's an action shot. We might be over-focusing on something of no importance.

I've also known people who hadn't kept current with their training, but who didn't have great difficulty jumping in and running six miles in the excitement of a race. These people i envy.

The photo looks odd but real. There's no way to know for sure but i suspect Sarah went to this trouble becuz of comments that she looked so rough on friday.

Brad Scharlott
09/05/2011 08:03

rubbernecking: Palin clearly wanted to give the impression she left early, but I see no way to get to the truth of whether she and Todd changed flights of not. Again, I don't see this as casting any doubt on what anon said. I suspect flights were not changed – the Palins likely had planned the "early" departure from the start. Whether the implicit lie might have been obvious to a staff member later, I don't know.

Dakotan for life
09/05/2011 08:04

To all who question and hypothesize about Anon:

Those statements in his/her anon written comments were basically just a montage of everything that has been tossed out by the blog readers. There was nothing because Anon is an avid blog reader and troublemaker.

If a real insder who was REALLY pissed REALLY wanted to hurt someone, they would not get defensive when questioned, they would not post on an old blog post, they would not post on the most sensationalized blog.

They are adding bullshit to the fire and the smell is becoming more pungent as days come and go.

What gave Anon away for me was the "godchild" story. I don't know if a nanny is in LA but Bristol, Willow and Tripp are the only ones there. (W's bf visited but I think he has left now)

There are 2 grandchildren: Tripp and Kyla. Trig IS happy but he is not permanently being raised by others.
Ugh, the gullibility and stupidity of "obsessives" makes my head hurt.

I am a person who wants to get to the truth, no matter who the subject is. I am actively working on divulging Obama admin, Palin admin, Bush admin, and Clinton admin secrets.

Notice I didn't say personal secrets for any of the above. That is because it's none of my business and nothing can be proven. Petty, unsubstantiated gossip is annoying and a waste of time, esp when I have evidence to the contrary.

Brad Scharlott
09/05/2011 08:24

I did send a letter to Mat-Su Regional Medical Center itself, to the marketing director, Sterling Grover. The letter had a tracking number and arrived at the hospital August 15, same as the one I sent to Sarah. I asked, among other things, these 4 questions::
1. Can you state unequivocally that no employee of the Mat-Su Regional Medical Center participated in fraudulent activity relative to the alleged birth of Trig Palin by Sarah Palin on April 18, 2008?
2. Can you state unequivocally that no employee or board member of Valley Hospital Association participated in fraudulent activity relative to the alleged birth of Trig Palin by Sarah Palin on April 18, 2008?
3. Can you state unequivocally that no physician then on active status at Mat-Su Regional Medical Center participated in fraudulent activity relative to the alleged birth of Trig Palin by Sarah Palin on April 18, 2008?
4. Is it possible a former board member of Valley Hospital Association could have stayed in a room of your hospital on April 18, 2008, without your staff being aware of it? In other words, is it possible for a former board member to obtain a room at your hospital without going through the usual check-in procedures?

I was not expecting a response, so I was not terribly disappointed when none came.


V-A
09/05/2011 08:29

My idea for a letter writing campaign to CBJ was not about a heartfelt, professional composition urging her to do the right thing-- it's passive aggressive guerrilla warfare. Barraging her with mail-- even just blank envelopes addressed to her that would cause a stink in her office. Ditto: Mat Su hospital. It would take a group of people dedicated to causing trouble. ie Merry Pranksters for those old enough to know what that means.

And Brad's idea for the ad is similar. YOu can overthink these things and dither. OR you can act. Ads on Craigslist, placed by dozens of folks with different email addresses. Ads in free papers (we have one in San Diego; a weekly; that will take ANY kind of ad) and finally, in whatever local paper we can get it in.

The marathon is bullshit-- and a distraction. Palin did not give birth to a baby in 2008. That's what matters. Sunlight on the dark places.

Anon238 does not have our background. She has not lived and breathed our clues and theories for 3 years. For her to enter now, with the information she doles out can't possibly take in every one of our concerns or questions.
(Just imagine yourself in that situation. You know what you know but how to implement it.)

So what if Anon238 is real or not, if she galvanizes the movement to expose Palin, she's real enough for me.

09/05/2011 08:51

Hi Dakota: What evidence do you have to the contrary? You say you have it - please share!

Ottoline
09/05/2011 08:51

Who cares about the race? Odd photo or not, fake or real, it makes no difference to me. Just like talk about her hair or taste. Let's say it's faked somehow and we discover it? So what. If a babyHoax can't get MSM attn, then this issue surely won't.

Re anon238: Jesse's sense that s/he is legit keeps me interested. But the reality is that a person in anon's position must surely have thought about what her best piece of proof/info would be. And what we have heard isn't it, I do sincerely hope. The idea of simply pissing off Palin seems weak to me, esp because there are children involved and the issues are too sad. The info we have heard is stuff we knew or suspected, with details like a specific med tossed in.

My guess is turning into this: Jesse too has reservations about all this - otherwise he would have commented on it in his blog. But he does not want to rain on anon's parade in the interest of someone else coming forward.

I'm not sure what's going on, but so far it has NOT served to move things forward.

Re writing to CBJ or others: If I were in their position, I would not respond! I would be expecting this, I would have had legal counsel plan a strategy. Which in CBJ's case would be saying almost zero, ever. (As she has done so far. On purpose.) Or only under oath. Her only motive to come clean or say anything at all would be to get ahead of her part of this story once/if it breaks. I am sure she already has that strategy in place, too. I am guessing she will say she had nothing to do with it: no early AM phone calls, no letter, and the rest is HIPAA protected.

Also, re the lack of changing flights on the return from TX: We've suspected this for a long time. Don't you think her staff also realize this? Anyone in Palin's past or present circle can read the blogs and add it up, esp with their own pieces of data that show them it is a hoax. They have their own 3-yr-old reasons for not speaking up, obviously.

Also, the gleeful comments on how bad Palin looks puzzle me. She looks way better than I would on a hot humid day, wearing a wig hat. Everyone has a bad day re looks. Not of interest to our goal.

Re the press release about the Wild Ride: that does make it seem Palin intended to tell a Wild Ride lie, whether with amniotic fluid or not. Again, so what? We know she lies on an hourly basis.

Sorry to be so cranky this AM. Please don't take it personally. I'm annoyed at everything this AM (incl myself), so thanks for letting me rant.

09/05/2011 08:54

@Ram it--The photo shows the start of the race. No one should be in full stride, or coming in from an ANGLE to the racing surface. Speedy my ass.

Brad Scharlott
09/05/2011 08:58

Ottoline: You are the voice of reason.

Ottoline
09/05/2011 09:03

Also, Ritalin/Adderal/Concerta and similar meds: sure. Adults take it to enhance mental performance. JFK and Jackie took something similar, injected by "Dr Feelgood." Prob other "recreational" drugs, but who cares? Again, if drug use is so very apparent to us, it seems certain that it would be even more apparent to Palin's enablers (McCain et al.) and supporters (Rupert et al.). And so far it's all okay (or okay enough) with them.

I think what's so hard on everyone is that we are waiting to see what effect, if any, the McG book, the "Fred" book (if it exists), the documentary, and the Repubs will have. We hope it will then be over, but we fear that it will continue to be supressed, in spite of everything.

09/05/2011 09:04

@Ottoline - I agree with most of your sentiments, especially not criticizing her looks or her dress - except as they relate to the ongoing puzzles.

What is interesting about the race - whether or not she was in it - was that she felt that she *had* to be in it. And I don't think that this was done just because of the comments about her not looking healthy. I think it's because Anon238 said that she doesn't run (much) - that SP takes ketamine, not for shin splints, but for other physical ailments. I think this was planned to make Anon238 look unknowledgable. Which makes Anon238 a little more reliable, actually.

09/05/2011 09:05

Dakotan for life (let's shorten that to D4L, kind of like C4P) says:

"If a real insder (sic) who was REALLY pissed REALLY wanted to hurt someone, they (sic) would not get defensive when questioned, they (sic) would not post on an old blog post, they (sic) would not post on the most sensationalized blog."

First, I did not read defensiveness in Anon's comment, but rather, a bemused attitude, more like "you can take this or leave it--it doesn't matter to me one way or the other".

Second, yes, Anon is posting on a comment thread from a few-days-old blog post, and nowhere else. So? To my thinking, that doesn't demonstrate anything other than the person's desire to keep all his or her contributions in the same place. It neither confirms nor refutes the authenticity of the information submitted.

D4L:

"What gave Anon away for me was the "godchild" story. I don't know if a nanny is in LA but Bristol, Willow and Tripp are the only ones there. (W's bf visited but I think he has left now)"

And D4L knows this how, exactly?

D4L:

"There are 2 grandchildren: Tripp and Kyla. Trig IS happy but he is not permanently being raised by others.
Ugh, the gullibility and stupidity of "obsessives" makes my head hurt."

Well yes, that's the official Palin story, isn't it? Palin has two grandchildren, and Trig is HER son because she gave birth to him, and Camp Palin does not acknowledge the existence of another Bristol pregnancy and resultant baby. Trouble is, there is video evidence of Bristol looking extremely pregnant (as in, near term)--yet again--when she showed off her new house in Arizona early this year (the video was posted on Feb. 4th, here: http://www.eonline.com/news/bristol_palins_son_tripp_gives_grand/224531 ) So Anon's referring to a new-ish baby whose existence is still being referred to "sotto voce", would make sense.

D4L:

"I am a person who wants to get to the truth, no matter who the subject is. I am actively working on divulging Obama admin, Palin admin, Bush admin, and Clinton admin secrets."

No, you are a person who is trying to deflect attention and muddy the waters by invoking the tiresome "Both parties are just as bad!" line. It's called building a strawman argument, and they teach it in Logic 101. Not working, sorry.

D4L:

"Notice I didn't say personal secrets for any of the above. That is because it's none of my business and nothing can be proven. Petty, unsubstantiated gossip is annoying and a waste of time, esp when I have evidence to the contrary."

None of my business...Petty unsubstantiated gossip is annoying... Where have we heard that kind of talk before? It's reminiscent of Mrs. Palin's statement that bored bloggers in pajamas annoy her (or similar). The whole "stop asking personal questions about private matters!" shtick is one of the most common tactics we've run into when asking legitimate questions about the veracity of Mrs. Palin's amazing claims in re: her pregnancy and delivery of a little boy with Down syndrome, which tall tale comprised the bulk of her bona fides as a VP candidate (it was one of the first things every journo--even financial reporter Maria Bartiromo--mentioned when McCain's VP pick was announced: She is a PRO-LIFE politician who walked the walk!)

If a candidate parades his military achievements before the press and said achievements are lauded as integral to his bona fides, it is absolutely appropriate--indeed, I'd argue it is a journo's JOB--to make further inquiries when and if said achievements (or stories or claims, etc.) are called into question by new evidence. And similarly, just as I argued in my writing last summer, when a candidate parades her family, including a baby with a disability, before the press as evidence of her strong pro-life stance and, furthermore, this comprises the bulk of her political bona fides, it is absolutely appropriate to investigate the attendant stories she tells when they are called into question by new evidence, as they most certainly have been in Mrs. Palin's case.

D4L has "evidence to the contrary"?

Well then, let's hear it! There are people here actually discussing a reward for such evidence (proving Palin was pregnant in 2008 and gave birth to Trig).

Ottoline
09/05/2011 09:05

Brad: so good of you to say so. You are my/our hero, for putting your paper out there, for having it be so well done. Thank you for being on our team!

Balzafiar
09/05/2011 09:08

@V-A: "Merry Pranksters...?" Sorry, but you won't find that term in any legal dictionary.

What you propose constitutes harassment. You can rest assured that if you or anyone else uses the U.S. Mail to harass another individual or group of individuals then they will find themself in deep legal trouble with the Feds.

That wouldn't be merry at all.

Brad Scharlott
09/05/2011 09:15

Litbrit: nice job of skewering.

09/05/2011 09:16

@litbrit - so beautifully said. And let me bow down in admiration of many of the other things I have read at your website.

rubbernecking
09/05/2011 09:22

@Brad, according to Anon238:

"travel records would show the originally scheduled flights were the same ones they took home."

You wrote at 19:58 about Palin "slipping back into Alaska virtually under the cover of darkness, without being met by state police, notifying staff, etc. She was literally out of touch with every one for many hours - how can a governor of a state explain that? She wasn't hiking the Appalachian Trail. So saying her labor started was her excuse."

If you believe she was on her originally scheduled flights, why are you saying she was travelling "under cover of darkness" and "out of touch"?? She delivered her scheduled speech and apparently boarded her scheduled flights.

You claim there's no way to get the truth about her travel plans. The RGA booked her flights. And there aren't that many flights between Dallas and Seattle. When you limit the flights to Alaska Airlines, the options are even fewer.

Again, my objective is to compare what Anon238 tells us to other sources. Anon238 says Palin kept her original flights but did not intend to publicize the Wild Ride. Anon238 says Palin created the Wild Ride tale at the hospital because her father was angry she skipped a cocktail party. I am arguing that Palin's press release proves she intended to publicize the Wild Ride. Palin wanted people to believe her labor began in Texas.

Ottoline
09/05/2011 09:24

V ictoria and litbrit: Hi! I always love to read your posts.

Balzafiar: Letter-writing campaigns? The recipients all have a LOT to lose when this comes out. They would love to be harassed so they could point the finger back at us tinfoil hat people. Perhaps with legal action, as you say. The idea of "helping" CBJ or the hospital or indeed anyone else to come forward by asking them to seems naive in the extreme. Because they have so much to lose. Dying a quiet death and letting Palin get away with it is in the best interests of all hoax participants, whether active or passive.

V-A
09/05/2011 09:29

@Balzafiar - You're right. I'm not a lawyer nor a journalist. I'm barely a grownup. I'm an artist and outlier. I love graffiti, Alaska WTF, and whatever gets the job done. For some of these reasons, I may have more insight into Palin's behavior (and that of her cronies) than most people. But for Brad and Laura's sake and the tone of this blog, I'll watch what I say.

SLQ
09/05/2011 09:35

Dakotan for life:

>>If a real insder who was REALLY pissed REALLY wanted to hurt someone, they would not get defensive when questioned,

She has responded to people not just questioning her authenticity, but essentially calling her a troll, as you just did. Most commenters who are called trolls do make some attempt to refute it. Trolls, however, usually just disappear.

>> they would not post on an old blog post

Is there a rule about people who want to divulge information? Does it state that one MUST comment on the latest post? I, for one, appreciate that "Me Again" posts in the same place. Comments in blogs, whether new or old posts, are both rather obscure, in any case.

>>they would not post on the most sensationalized blog.

Again, are there rules I'm unaware of? "Sensationalized" is in the eye of the beholder. It's also the only Alaskan "baby gate" blog. That may be good enough reason for an Alaskan or someone else to post there.

>>What gave Anon away for me was the "godchild" story. I don't know if a nanny is in LA but Bristol, Willow and Tripp are the only ones there. (W's bf visited but I think he has left now)

And you know this how, exactly? You are doing exactly what you accuse "me again" of doing -- making statement without backing them up. But at least "me again" is giving us information (such as the college degree) that can be verified, if we do some work.

>>There are 2 grandchildren: Tripp and Kyla. Trig IS happy but he is not permanently being raised by others.

Again, you know this how?

>>Ugh, the gullibility and stupidity of "obsessives" makes my head hurt.

As opposed to the gullibility and stupidity of people who should believe YOU, another anonymous commenter.

>>I am a person who wants to get to the truth, no matter who the subject is. I am actively working on divulging Obama admin, Palin admin, Bush admin, and Clinton admin secrets. Notice I didn't say personal secrets for any of the above. That is because it's none of my business and nothing can be proven.

Sarah Palin made her personal story part of her political story. She has hyped the Wild Ride story and her pro-life creds with his birth story. She has made herself out to be super-pioneer-woman for her toughness in traveling while in labor. She has made Trig's disability another pat on the back for her. So it is very relevant to check on statements she has portrayed as fact. And facts CAN be proven. She either had Trig or she did not. He either was born in 4/18/08 or he was not. This proof exists somewhere, which is what keeps this issue alive. If she faked a pregnancy for political means, the American public has a right to know.

>>Petty, unsubstantiated gossip is annoying and a waste of time, esp when I have evidence to the contrary.

Yet, here you are making unsubstantiated statements and alleging you have "evidence to the contrary," which you refuse to share. So, essentially, based on what you stated above, we should ignore everything you're saying. Fair enough. I'm happy to oblige on that one.

Balzafiar
09/05/2011 10:21

@V-A: I'm not a lawyer either, just practical -- some days.

"I'm an artist and outlier. I love graffiti, Alaska WTF, and whatever gets the job done."

You and I are on the same page, and I welcome the return of AlaskaWTF. I'm an artist too (graphic design) and I guess I'm an outlier too, FWIW. Even with all that baggage, we are both good people.

I wasn't asking you to tone it down at all, merely making an observation which might or might not help someone from taking imprudent action. People have been known to do that and I don't want to see anyone get hurt unnecessarily.

V-A
09/05/2011 10:28

thank you, Balzafiar. You were kind to reply. I was a bit too sensitive-- probably because I've been chastised my whole life for being too impulsive and irrational. (traits I share with Palin) But I will watch what I say, since this is the grown up blog. :-)

Brad Scharlott
09/05/2011 10:35

rubbernecking: We can only conjecture what happened. But try this conjecture: She had her staff schedule a flight back on Saturday. Then she and Todd personally changed that before taking off, and without telling her staff. That would explain why no one was there in AK to meet her.

I have to say, I am puzzled by what motivates you. Surely you could have figured out scenarios, as I just did, the fit all the available evidence. Everything about her trip to Dallas stinks, starting with her normal state trooper escort being told he would no longer be needed (as Todd effectively replaced him). Then Todd emailing 3 aides that her speech "kicked ass" WITHOUT MENTIONING SHE WAS IN LABOR! Are you trying to suggest there is nothing weird about the whole thing?

Jolene
09/05/2011 10:40

I have been reading Laura's blog for a couple of months now and really enjoy the discussions between commenters because they are mainly very intelligent and thoughtful. Although I've been aware of Sarah Palin since 2008, or course, I really knew nothing about babygate until recently. At first it seemed totally nuts to me, then I read Professor Sharlott's extremely well-researched paper via Business Insider. It still seems like a nutty thing to me, but then Sarah Palin promotes herself as "unconventional" and the birth of Trig was certainly that. Palin's ideas are dangerous to the well-being of America and she must be brought down--politically. I also find all the comments about her looks rather trivial--she's a good-looking woman, so be it. It's what's inside her head that's ugly.

Dakotan 4 life
09/05/2011 10:46

I think it's safe to say that people see what they want to see and believe what they want to believe. It's natural and it works for them. People who are not actual members of someone else's family will never know that family well enough to judge. That's a general statement I feel I can make to encompass everyone. Because it's fundamentally true.

Jolene
09/05/2011 10:49

Just want to add--after reading Brad Scharlott's paper and going back to read older posts on several of the anti-Palin blogs, I am about 99% convinced SP faked her pregnancy with Trig. I fear the "spiral of silence" about this hoax will continue because the MSM wouldnt touch such an explosive story without documentation or--best of all--a confession on the part of Palin's doctor, the Mat-su Hospital, etc. Which will also probably never happen. In short, Palin will probably get away with this hoax despite all the books and blogs. Hope the heck I'm wrong!

ManicMonday
09/05/2011 10:50

Just wanted to comment on pictures in general. Saturday, Todd was photographed holding another man's DS toddler. This little boy has the same buzz cut Trig had around April this year and they look a great deal alike. This is why any effort to make judgments based on likeness is futilen

B
09/05/2011 10:51

Brad asks rubbernecking, "Are you trying to suggest there is nothing weird about the whole thing?"

I long ago concluded rubbernecking is trying to distract discussions.

ivyfree
09/05/2011 10:59

"Who cares about the race? Odd photo or not, fake or real, it makes no difference to me. Just like talk about her hair or taste. Let's say it's faked somehow and we discover it? So what. If a babyHoax can't get MSM attn, then this issue surely won't."

The race is just one more deception. Whether or not she ran it, the point is that realistically, we can't accept her word for anything, because she will lie. And that speaks to her credibility and professionalism.

WRT her hair and taste: People who are falling apart mentally often dress inappropriately. It's like they can't see themselves and judge how they look in comparison to others and appropriately for the event. That event where Sarah showed up with a black pinstripe jacket that was soiled and didn't match her solid black skirt, and with shoes three sizes to big: that screamed "Mental illness" to me.

I think her her appearance, real or rumored, is relevant to her story. Which is fiction, so far as I can tell.

Ottoline
09/05/2011 11:14

V-A: Please DON'T watch what you say. I've loved your thoughts. We can disagree, but keep those thoughts and theories coming!

Monday
09/05/2011 11:16

@jk, I had the same thought that anon238 could be McGinniss. Controlling the message seems to be the theme of his posts and responses. He's too busy on his book tour to read all the comments (thus no comments permitted) but not too busy to post "breaking" Palin news and keeping his finger on the pulse reading IM? Experienced writer, "insider details" (thus the embargo on his book), -- the FOAF (friend of a friend) kind of information. A little fact, a little fiction, a little experiment in -- and intentional joke on -- the blogosphere. When his book hits the market, no pesky critical or wacko comments to distract from his marketing web site. You never know what might be true, and if it is, I PWN you, Joe!

P.S. I do NOT want to "out" anon238 (unless it is Joe), and I'm as intrigued as anyone, but I admit I had fun thinking about this particular possibility.

Ottoline
09/05/2011 11:23

We focus on Palin, on her hoax. As we should. But it's really the idea that she was enabled and supported in this by McCain, Rupert, Dominionists, and MSM. When they decide it's okay to let the hoax be revealed, then it will happen, IMO. Unless we are v lucky, as Woodstein were. But they had more help: a courageous newspaper and newspaper owner who was willing to oppose the Atty General (Mitchell) at the outset. We have no such ally.

So I am coming to think that McG and Ailes might have collaborated a tiny bit: throw Palin to the wolves (if that! I'm not sure any more that his book will do even that!) but keep the lid on the participation of the real culprits. Who will be there to deceive us in other ways in the years to come.

And esp at election time.

lilly lily
09/05/2011 11:27

The point is that Palin is a pathological liar.

Who cares if she actually won? I don't care. I doubt it, but don't care.

Joe is what Joe is, who cares? I don't.

nenagh
09/05/2011 11:58

My conclusions re Palin's Wild Ride, revolve around the loss of wiggle room for Sarah to lie convincingly after the 'water broke' admission.

IIRC, when SP was interviewed about her flying back from Texas.. she said she'd had Braxton Hicks contractions with Trig for some time.. but they seemed to morph into real contractions the evening before the speech then settled down again.. pure fantasy anyway, I do believe.

I remember being surprised she would articulate the words Braxton Hicks contractions, but realized it was part of her schtick as the brave frontier woman working through it all.

So yes, it was a crazy statement to say she'd experienced some real contractions.. but there was still wiggle room for a Palin lie, she could just say that the contractions settled down & so she flew.

That decision, might be eschewed by many women, most women... but it was not so provably beyond the bounds of good medical practice.

But, the amniotic fluid leak... well that is in a different dimension of medical reality, one where undoubtedly 100% of physicians would agree.. at the very least..do not fly from Texas to Alaska.

Here is a woman who never had to travel far in Alaska to give birth, I am assuming... and she never thought through the flying with contractions fairy tale, that it in itself would seem so odd. But when the reporter pushed Palin about the water breaking, info from Palin's Dad, she was stuck having to admit to the 'water breaking' super-fairy-tale which was so unrealistic that it had to be a lie.

There is my 2 cent wiggle room theory for any gentlemen who have not experienced pregnant situations.. :)






lilly lily
09/05/2011 12:18

Interesting. Carla Bruni who shows no shame is displaying her pregnancy, even in a bikini, has announced she will never expose her child to the media to be photographed.

The exact opposite of Palin who hid her pregnancy??? and exposed all her children without shame, even when they obviously were upset by the exposure.

lilly lily
09/05/2011 12:20

What I mean by no shame is. Pregnancy is a natural biological event and in this day, no one hides it, unless they are ashamed, or faking it one way or another.

Luddy
09/05/2011 12:43

I've always taken the "Chuckie/waterbreaking" question exchange with the reporter as one of the better instances of $arah not being able to think on her feet. All she needed to do in that moment was bat her eyes and giggle about how men of her father's generation don't know about birthin' babies and state that she was in labor ("Dad must have gotten that wrong in all the excitement"). Instead, she was like a deer in the headlights.

Bill
09/05/2011 12:48

stick to the birth hoax. Everything else is a distraction in my opinion.

Comeonpeople
09/05/2011 13:00

Im concernedhow a reqyest for a writing campaign to proper authorities is getting twisted into a harassment campaign? Theyre are legitimate people the general public can voice concerns to: jcaho, the medical licensing board, the AAFP who lauded CBJ as family physician of the year . Gosh, i dont get what is hard to understand about this?

Balzafiar
09/05/2011 13:22

@comeonpeople, the poster who suggested that wrote:

"...passive aggressive guerrilla warfare. Barraging her with mail-- even just blank envelopes addressed to her that would cause a stink in her office. Ditto: Mat Su hospital."

A letter-writing campaign is one thing, a barrage of empty envelopes is quite another. It might make a point but more likely it would bring trouble to those who caused the avalanche because it really is nothing more than harassment.

Let's close that storyline now; there's nothing more to be gained by talking about it endlessly. :-)

FrostyAK
09/05/2011 14:06

I thought I saw some proof that the flights WERE NOT CHANGED from Dallas to Ak. From her schedule?

There must be evidence that the press release came AFTER Creepy Chucky's detail about the amniotic fluid?

Hi D4L. You heard that Brad is planning to offer a reward for absolute proof that $P birthed Trig. I expect you will be sending him the evidence that you have? We have stumbled around in the dark for so long, that now YOU will bring it all out into the sunshine for decontamination. Thanks so much for clearing this whole thing up for us.

SLQ
09/05/2011 14:07

D4L: You say, "People who are not actual members of someone else's family will never know that family well enough to judge. That's a general statement I feel I can make to encompass everyone. Because it's fundamentally true."

It is true if you're talking about making specific statements about unknown events or deeply detailed descriptions of a person's unknown words and actions.

What is also fundamentally true is that people can and do assess public figures by their words and actions. And that is entirely appropriate, and necessary. Otherwise, how would people have any idea who to vote for?

Yes, some of that should be based on his or her record (Palin fails on this, IMO). But some of it is necessarily based on a person's character, and we glean that from public statements and actions. If those are lies, that says a lot about a person's character.

mary
09/05/2011 14:10

The idea that we shouldn't judge someone by her actions is wrong. But very, very familiar to anyone who visits the various Palin-related blogs.

rubbernecking
09/05/2011 15:07

@Brad, I'm motivated to determine if Anon238 is a legitimate source. I'm motivated to know what Palin is hiding by refusing to release a birth cert. I'm motivated to look for evidence that is convincing to a wider audience. I'm irritated by people who claim spidey-powers to determine what is true and false.

I think we're coming at Anon238 from very different angles. If Anon238 provides details that don't mesh with other parts of the story, this leads me to doubt that Anon238 has reliable information. You seem to seek alternate conjectures that fit Anon238's version of events. Is this accurate?

09/05/2011 15:41

I'll take a stab at anon's mention of Floyd Orr in those posts. I have Floyd's book and when he says he threw a lot at the wall to see what might stick, he is quite right. And I imagine someone in Palin territory has taken a look at the book and realized that it all "sticks". Haven't read the book cover to cover (it's a great fun rummage-around volume, at least if you're familiar with the basic outlines of the various plays/players), but at the back there is a three-page summary ['Glossary'] of all the "gates" in handy-dandy bite-size morsels.

I suspect she or her handlers got a look at that summary, the other chapter headings, the breadth of the coverage, and realized they could't cry "foul" about any of it. Add to that his sense of humor, bluntness, political views which are woven throughout and the collection of all of this material in one spot -- someone is spooked. The tone differs from many of the blogs because the comments "noise" is missing, making the material more difficult to pooh-pooh. Also, as I mentioned in an earlier thread, the video of her February '08 trotting-on-winter-streets around Juneau interview, while wearing ridiculous high-heeled boots, is still active on his site. Six months along? Really?

The book's subtitle is "The Progressive Left Strikes Back." And he does. His subject is much larger than one Mrs. Todd Palin.

SLQ
09/05/2011 16:05

Rubbernecking: It seems to me that where the confusion arises is because you claim that Anon 238's statement that "the wild ride was never supposed to be part of the narrative" cannot mesh with the fact that Palin's press statement said she began labor in TX. Anon also said, "it was never supposed to be part of the narrative. The original plan was for them to do the roll out at MSRMC and then after the fact explain that Sarah had been feeling tired and achy so they decided to come home and luckily they got home just in time for "labor" to start."

I think you're taking Anon's statement too far. We don't know when Sarah or her staff knew that her father had made the statement. Perhaps she or her staff knew about it when he said it, and the statement that "labor started in Texas" was because they knew they had to get in front of it. KTUU reported on 4/18 that her water broke:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/54130011/KTUU-Original-story-about-Trig-Palin-s-birth-published-on-April-18-2008

I think you are assuming that she became aware of it later, perhaps in the press conference when she took Trig to work 3 days after he was "born," and the reporter sprung the question on her. One could assume that press conference was the first time she was aware of it (as you appear to be saying), but the 4/18 KTUU story says otherwise.

In other words, even if the press statement included it on 4/18, it could be because staff heard Chuck Heath say it that day and they knew they needed to damage control.

Or to state it a third say, the press statement they had previously prepared had to quickly be altered because of what Chuck blurted out. I can't imagine he was alone there, talking to a reporter.

SLQ
09/05/2011 16:14

Rubbernecking: I would also note that Anon238 said "The <b>original plan</b> was for them to do the roll out at MSRMC and then after the fact explain . . ."

That statement presumes a revised <b>plan</b>, which, because of Chuck's statement the morning of the "birth," had to include labor beginning in TX.

I emphasized "plan" because it indicates planning ahead, not reacting. A hastily revised plan on the day of the "birth."

09/05/2011 16:29

Thank you, NancyDrewed. I could not have said it any better myself!

rubbernecking
09/05/2011 17:41

@SLQ, we know from the Crivella files that on 4/18 at 2:40PM AK time, Kris Perry forwarded as an FYI the RGA birth announcement. The subtitle of the press release is "Governor's Labor Began at RGA Conference in Texas".

http://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/1111.pdf

According to KTUU, Chuck and Sally Heath visited their grandson on "Friday afternoon."

Because the RGA had a press release ready to go at 2:37 PM AK time on 4/18, I believe that Palin's staff must have notified the RGA at least an hour or two earlier about the birth. Palin told her staff what to tell the RGA, the RGA made a press announcement, and Kris Perry forwarded the announcement to Palin and staff.

I am saying Palin, not her father, was the original source of the Wild Ride.

09/05/2011 17:58

Laura -- Here is a link to Floyd Orr's post on his blog as to how he himself regards the reaction of the Palin camp, as reported by "the" Anon at IM, to the threat he represents to them. Hope you don't mind the link, but you "third-wavers" seem to have finally gotten their attention. :-)

http://niafs.blogspot.com/2011/09/above-fray.html#disqus_thread

I'll park this here as the best place to put it, rather than move to the new thread. Hope that's OK.

SLQ
09/05/2011 18:28

Rubbernecking: I realize that's what you're saying, and I'm glad you brought up the issue. I agree that, where we can, it's important to try to verify what Anon "Me Again" is saying.

I'm saying that we don't know when Chuck spoke to the reporter, who was there to hear it (staff, Todd, etc.), and how that affected the "plan." Yes, that article says Chuck and Sally visited Friday afternoon. That could have been 12:15 p.m. That's plenty of time to edit the ready-and-waiting press release and send it to the RGA before they re-released it at 2:47 p.m. If the RGA revised Palin's press release at all, I'm sure it was minimal -- it was essentially press-ready when it went out. It takes no time at all for a public relations office (at the RGA) to send it to their normal list of press release recipients. It's a click of the mouse.

Or it could mean that they reported that they visited in the afternoon because that's when they last spoke with them. I know when my grandchildren were born, you could't have kept me away until afternoon if the baby was born at 6:30 a.m.

I've been on the "inside" of high-level business offices and worked closely with public relations. If I had been a staffer who heard Chuck's statement and knew it contradicted what was about to be released, I'd be frantically texting or e-mailing to make sure it was changed pronto.

The timing is tight, yes. But it's certainly very possible that the Palin press release reflects Chuck's statement about her going into labor in Texas. I don't think it's possible to say Anon "Me Again" is wrong, based on what you've said. It doesn't mean he/she is right, but it is definitely possible for this part to be true, based on what I've said above.

Allie
09/05/2011 23:56

It seems to me that I recall anon238 saying that s/he has been around this situation only for the past "couple" of years and specifically said s/he was not on the scene for the birth, which is why she doesn't remember the exact DOB. S/he has probably never reviewed the exact phrasing of those emails that some are putting such stock in now about the wild ride. Since we have been on this story like white on rice, we might think it is weird that s/he doesn't know the actual DOB or the contents of certain emails. If the camp insider said SP was never pregnant, then the DOB isn't all that relevant to someone who is simply supporting a "wrung out" friend.

I don't think s/he has been paying attention to the same details that we have been, but that doesn't necessarily mar his or her veracity. Why don't we start posting what we want to know so s/he can start gathering info for us? Start with something for which we already know the answer and see if s/he knows.

Another example. Anon238 said SP purchased the fake belly online, and of course, there will be no receipt for it. But, was she wearing it on 4/13 for the Gusty interview? What info does she have about that day? What happened to the fake belly? And how did the fake photo op at Mat-Su get arranged five days later?

Personally, I would like to know the answers to these questions, plus many others. We can ask each other questions until the cows come home, or hey, let's ask someone who might have some new answers. Then we can massage the new answers until the cows come home. :)

Tracy
09/06/2011 01:46

It seems to me one of the reasons why we haven't gotten much MSM coverage is because of the Spiral of Silence detailed by Brad. I, for one, am worried about how it would affect our business if we came out as Trig Truthers.

Brad, could you describe what it's been like since since you published your paper? I am curious to know if you've been pleasantly surprised by the reaction of friends, family, and colleagues.

nenagh
09/06/2011 02:22

Luddy: Originally I thought the exact same myself, that Palin was not fast enough on her feet to say.. 'well Dad really didn't get it right' ie he misunderstood ... water didn't break etc etc.

That is why I find Anon 235 more compelling. He/she suggests that Palin herself used the 'water breaking' excuse to stop Chuck Heath from continuing to harass her for not staying for the formal evening where he thought she could gain more Republican support.

Someone around Palin, or Palin herself may have decided to use the "Ride" from Texas to Alaska as Sarah Palin just being the gloriously Christian Queen, rides through it all in the heavens and is able to deliver Trig in MatSu Hospital.. a lovely story.

But at some point Chuck Heath's personality reveals itself. Attempting to further promote Sarah, he states that his daughter's water broke in Texas .. and that permanently changes the conversation..

Reading about 'labor starting' many online references refer to contractions starting.. which may not yet be regular or hourly.. and to keep checking.. but the water breaking situation [ which may occur 12-15% of the time] is handled very differently.

So, it would be interesting to know when Dad Palin released his remarks... and if the people around Sarah were blindsided by those remarks.

Brad Scharlott
09/07/2011 08:09

Tracy: Not too much reaction pro or con from most of my colleagues. But my closest colleagues have been quite supportive. On balance, the university seems to consider my research a nonissue and probably a plus for the university.


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