Girls On The Bus

6/11/2011

Welcome to Girls On The Bus, a series of short, but shrewd, analyses of Mrs. Todd Palin on her latest narcissist odyssey. Or history field trip. Or just-get-me-the-hell-away-from-home-tour.

My partner in satirical and boldly biased analysis is wonder woman writer, feminist, and managing editor and columnist for Politicususa, Sarah Jones.

LN: So listen, Sarah, and you will hear, about the newest ride of Paul Revere. No kidding, guns blazin’, bells ringin’. I grew up in Massachusetts and somehow missed that chapter in all our history and learnin’ books.

SJ: What disturbs me about this is the Right’s willingness to distort reality in order to cover for Sarah Palin. When basic history is brought into question, it’s as maddening as saying “black is white” and having the press begin to repeat it because it was said by someone famous.

This is a dangerous slope of managing reality, and given the press’ propensity to merely report what is said, I think it has an exceptionally negative impact on our culture. The Palin revisionists were arguing with Wikipedia that since Palin said it, she was a source. That’s some rather frightening circular logic.

In many ways, the modern day press has no time to debunk basic things, and so we find ourselves too often settling for cutting down the middle of two statements (no matter how untrue one of those statements may be) instead of finding the facts. “Fairness” is a dangerous game to play.

LN: To what do you attribute this dire need to “cover for” a political figure or potential candidate? It almost says more about the folks rushing to her rescue than it does about the woman herself.

SJ: I don’t think the press has an agenda, but as far as the conservative operatives who are pushing the meme in papers that Palin was right about Paul Revere warning the British, how can they do anything but defend her? How can they start defending the truth when much of their platform is a lie, meant to bilk the people for the sake of corporations? If they start telling the truth about Palin, it might awaken the masses, and they can’t have that.

LN: Edwards, Arnold, Weiner…it all seems so implausible - until it isn’t. The press, it appears, tiptoes at first, and then goes all relentless on these guys. But Mrs. Palin: Snafu after FUBAR Snafu…and she just smiles and says she knows her American history. Just like she smiled for the cameras and said she was glad that the Branchflower investigation found her innocent of any abuse of power. Explain this to me, cause I’m all ears.

SJ: I wish I could. I’ll distinguish the sex scandals from Palin’s mishaps because there was hard evidence of them (pardon the pun). Palin is being elevated by some very moneyed interests. The problem for Palin is that she sells, so when she descends, the press will hound her with the same devotion they do now. It will be relentless and inescapable. That’s the downside of being a celebrity who is disliked by the majority of Americans. They love to hate her.

LN: Any predictions on when we’re likely to see the wheels on the family RV with paint all over it go round and round again?

SJ: I’m looking for a July 4 surprise because if there’s one thing Palin knows how to do, it’s play the holiday slow news cycle for all it’s worth. But this is Sarah Palin we’re talking about. Anything could happen.

LN: Well, what ever historic sites Mrs. Palin sets her sights on, you and I will be right there to cut through the noise. And I know that you are already all over the Emails dump, including those critical of Palin. Thank you so much, Sarah Jones.

Floyd M. Orr link

6/11/2011 11:58:31

Laura, I am glad to see that you are communicating with Sarah Jones. You should discuss Palin's involvement in Dominionism as a key motive for the Babygate hoax in a future interview with her.

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6/11/2011 12:11:30

Laura, great story.

I'm just a simple dude from MN and I marvel at the complexity of what seems to be a lie of such enormous and convoluted mass it defies my ability to understand. It's like trying to piece together a puzzle that's all one color.

I wonder what ever happened to investigative journalism? The real stuff, not this set up crap they call investigative journalism these days. Have we all become so short sighted, so caught up in the immediate rush of adrenaline when something breaks we can't simply let things unfold? There are many holes in Sara Palin and the emails, while innocuous at best (why wouldn't they be? They had three years to scrub, create, edit and redact) still hold clues and inconsistencies. Where is the investigative writer who will take the time, lay out the timelines, gather the photo's, interview the people and put together the story? I can sense it's just laying there. Not an AHA moment as much as taking the time to bring the parts together and laying out the information. Once someone does that the people that know the truth might, just might, start coming forward. That's what's needed. Is anyone working on this, or are we all just sitting back and waiting for her to screw up? She won't, these people in Alaska make the mob look like amateurs at this point.

6/11/2011 13:08:02

Ms. Jones, I've enjoyed your stories as much as I've enjoyed Ms. Novak's.

Would 7/4 appearance beg a reminder of her early-July resignation? Or might she view it as an opportunity to create a distraction from the resignation anniversary?

curiousagain, I wonder the same thing. I think Palin's remote location in Alaska makes an investigation by someone from the Lower 48 harder. You need to have more resources available, as you can't easily drive there. A reporter needs an extended time period for travel and/or money to pay for expensive flights. The climate is inhospitable for 6 months of the year. The remote location also creates the almost incestuous small-town atmosphere which makes it easy to identify outsiders and discourages people in the know from talking.

Anon55

6/11/2011 13:40:44

Re "I wonder what ever happened to investigative journalism? The real stuff, not this set up crap they call investigative journalism these days."

The same thing that happened to foreign correspondents. When I was a young journalist that was the dream - to become a foreign correspondent (for those who weren't dreaming of becoming investigative journalists, but I think more of us were dreaming of becoming foreign correspondents). I knew some pretty dashing foreign correspondents. Now most of the newspapers have closed their foreign bureaus. I don't think the newsmagazines have foreign correspondents anymore either.

To have investigative reporters takes a big rich media organization. You have to have spare manpower or womanpower to dedicate a journalist or a team to investigations and you don't always find something, so you have to to be willing to let someone spend months and maybe come up with nothing.

Sadly, the days of rich serious news media (as opposed to Fox News) are long gone. Now we depend on the Joe McGinnisses of the world who are financially secure enough from past endeavors to be able to dedicate the time to true reporting.

Cracklin' Charlie

6/11/2011 16:46:42

Thanks to Laura and Sarah for being some of the few journalists trying to keep the world safe from $arah Palin.

And to curiousagain and all the other bewildered commenters and followers of the Palin Truth Watch blogs, I feel your pain, oh how I feel your pain.

Your post today brings up some really interesting issues. This woman is really and truly a complete fail from morning until night.We.All.Know.This. And if we all know this, you can bet your boots that the news media and whoever knows it too. It is just not possible that they don't. Their job is to know things.

The only conclusion I can draw here is that they are complicit in putting us through this epic fail day after day. Okay, so why? Does she really "sell" that well? Would the monetary gain of a televised train wreck be their incentive?

I have a few theories that I am considering, but I just thought I might try to get some input from others. Anyone?

LTA

6/11/2011 20:18:44

Excellent, ladies! I've been elbow deep in Palinese ("u brng me coff?") so it's nice to have some well thought out, razor sharp commentary.

I was wondering if you (Laura) and Prof. B would consider putting your lively and journalistic spin on Sarah Palin's "letter from God" she sent out as a birth announcement-
http://crivellawest.net/palin2011/pdf/13767.pdf

You actually can't help but slap your knee in uncontrolled mirth when realizing what a monumental attempt this letter is at Covering One's Ass. So says "God" in regard to why Palin didn't tell anyone, even her children, of this impending blessed event:
"...I even seemed to rush it [the pregnancy] along so she could wait until the end to surprise you with the news -- that way Piper wouldn't have so long to wait and count down so many days -- just like Christmastime when you have to wait, impatiently, for that special day to finally open your gift?"

I have heard about the "letter from God" a million times but I guess I'd never read the whole thing before. I just can not believe how...ODD the whole thing is.

I would dearly love for this crazy bit of CYA claptrap to get the Dr. Scharlott/Laura treatment.

6/11/2011 23:39:27

Laura... Brad...Sarah Jones...
I have been following the SP travesty since Sept '08, and like so many others, am completely frustrated that the MSM has not addressed the obvious pregnancy hoax. I often wonder if someone of significant enough stature would make a statement to the press, in an unequivocal manner, "Sarah Palin faked her pregnancy," what would then transpire? I realize that this would take tremendous confidence and courage, but wouldn't this be a checkmate scenario? After all, SP wouldn't be able to sue; she can't say this is libelous without producing proof - ob appts, birth cert, DNA, etc. Her bots would push her to do something... I am still confident the truth will come out, but why not force the issue sooner rather than later? Have any of you ever considered doing this?

molly malone

6/11/2011 23:48:17

@ Floyd Orr. How many of the people that Wholey Mary listed as being in the know with regard to the Trig hoax are Dominionists?

I'm ashamed to admit that until Bobcat Logic pointed out that The Family on C-Street and the Dominionists are one and the same, I totally failed to make the connection. These are truly scary people.

Viola

6/11/2011 23:56:20

One of the reasons why Palin dominates the news / media, I believe, is because so many intelligent, well-educated people treat her as a joke. My friends in New York, San Francisco, and Los Angeles are sick of me complaining about Palin. They are sophisticated people who haven't a clue about the rest of the U.S., and they believe my obsession with her power is just plain crazy.

I also believe it's a generational gap. My children (30's) just aren't interested. Again, they dismiss Palin completely and don't have time to worry about a crazy, power-obsessed,tacky meglomaniac woman because they're too busy worrying about work and health care.

Finally, I believe Palin creates a gender divide, with men, more than women, buying her bullshit. That's why I love Girls on the Bus! (and you, too, curiousagain, for your discussion of journalistic work instead of skimming for nuggets.)

Floyd M. Orr link

6/12/2011 01:11:53

Molly Malone, I cannot definitively tell you exactly who is a Dominionist and who is not, but I can send you in the right direction. Leah Burton, at her God's Own Party website, has been tracking this issue for a long time, and Sarah Jones has covered this issue on her site in the past, too. My soapbox has always been the massive number of Southern Protestants that these insidious leaders have managed to brainwash into voting against their own interests. My book is basically my version of Thomas Frank's What's the Matter with Kansas? Leah Burton will hopefully have a book on the subject out soon. I learned a lot from Kevin Phillips' American Theocracy, and he ought to know because he started it!

molly malone

6/12/2011 01:23:40

Thanks for the info, Floyd.

Floyd M. Orr link

6/12/2011 01:24:56

Cracklin' Charlie, does a dog have fleas? Of course it is about the money! The MSM has been complicit since day one, just as you said. I spelled out the details of what I call The Blockade, now popularly known as The Spiral of Silence, in the book. Joe McG has said the same thing repeatedly on his blog. There has been no question of this in my mind for a looong time! The concept is a travesty, but we have to force THEM to make HER answer the questions.

sarah jones link

6/12/2011 03:01:26

HI all,

Think about this from the media's POV. Which scenario would you rather cover? Obama v Palin or Obama v Romney?

Money, eyeballs, drama in one scenario. Snores in the other. People don't like to read policy posts, and they don't like to read about serious issues being discussed. "pallin' around with terrorists" is the level of American discourse these days.

As for Palin's Dominionism, the pro-life cred she got from having Trig is undeniable. It's the thing the far right loves about her, and they use it to push the meme that everyone else hates her for having Trig, which is an obscene distortion of reality and quite ironic when you look at the policies of the far right v the Dems re special needs children.

I agree that too many people laugh at her and don't see what's going on. As far as I am concerned, the modern day GOP is nothing but a depository for extremists masquerading under the guise of religious zealots conning the American people into voting against their own interests. We can't even have civilized debate about real issues when we are dealing with people who pretend climate change isn't an issue, or who would rather go after women's rights and gay rights than deal with the economy or jobs. This isn't conservative v liberal debate, it's crazy v sane.

Bobcat Logic

6/12/2011 03:06:47

I think it is well-justified fear that keeps most people from speaking out. I think the "Palin Hoax" reaches into the upper levels of power well beyond Alaska, both in the US and abroad.

I strongly suspect the Hoax involves (at least elements of) more than one intelligence agency.

On a less sensational level, the MSM has fears of job loss a la Dan Rather and getting burned with false evidence.

Notice how GOP operative Brietbart muddies the waters, for instanc, and keeps the MSM off balance with with false accusation. Then he burns the MSM with a bit of real information, creating not so much a "spiral of silence" (although there's that too) as an impenetrable "hall of mirrors."

And for some reason, I can't help thinking back to the "Bible Codes" guy who, before the Iraq war, came from Israel to address a high level meeting at the Defense Dept.

His mission was to convince Dominionists at work at the Dept. that explicit instructions were encoded in the Bible showing God wanted us to invade Iraq (as part of the End of Days, I imagine.) This guy was accorded serious access and consideration.

I believe Seymour Hersh first reported on the Bible Codes guy, and, although, the story was carried in the back pages, it was reported at the time in some of the MSM, but given remarkably short shrift.

I'm imagining such a visitation (annunciation?) may have occurred to Sarah (I'd say in 2006 or 2007) . Or, perhaps, the approach could have been conveyed to her through her Dominionist Cult leaders and friends or perhaps or through GOP operatives who visited and instructed Sarah in 2007 (or before).

Other prime suspects, and they are not mutually exclusive, include Gina Louden and Franklin Graham.

I'd also be interested in learning more about "Bud" Paxson -- a major and malevolent link between McCain and the Dominionists.

Paxson has been involved with Dominionist radio networks, and is either totally senile, or takes a perverse delight in jerking McCain around, as in gleefully contradicting McCain's sworn testimony on various influence peddling and sex scandals.

And if you think you've heard the name "Paxson" before..well...

FrostyAK

6/12/2011 03:14:45

OT. This is from a commenter on Gryphen's blog and deep in the heart of the TriG controversy:

Palin just coincidentally signed into law a bill that would make it legal for a "a parent to safely surrender a newborn child without the threat of prosecution, as long as there is no evidence the infant has been physically injured. Without penalty, a parent may leave the infant in the physical custody of a peace officer, physician or hospital employee, or a volunteer or employee of a fire station or emergency medical service."

Soooo Sarah, just a scant 8 weeks (Feb 11 2008) before Trig was "delivered" you made it perfectly legal for parents to hand over a child to just about anyone in a uniform or on the government payroll. Very clever. Guess you had to do that to allay the fears of CBJ? or the Wasilla Bible Church member who also runs HeartReach and sits on the board at Mat-Su? Nice side benefit for the HeartReach fundy birthing mill really, they can get young women to hand over their babies without fear of reprisal.

If anyone has talked about this bill before, I'd like to know - it is news to me.

http://palinemail.msnbc.msn.com/palin2011/pdf/12030.pdf

6/12/2011 03:50:38

What has made Palin so far untouchable by the MSM is that she has never run on her record or on policy, but on being the embodiment of God's chosen one, manifested by her giving birth to a sacred child, through which she will save the world. She is God, the Virgin Mary (you think Mary didn't take it on the chin about the Immaculate Birth?) and Christ all in one.

6/12/2011 04:07:29

FrostyAK,
I remember hearing about the bill a long time ago - maybe on PalinDeception? But that was before we realized that Trig's real birthday was Jan or Feb. Now I am wondering if there is a connection with the bill and with either Bristol giving up a baby (Ruffles?) or with SP having easy access to acquiring DS babies....

Floyd M. Orr link

6/12/2011 04:19:25

FrostyAK, here is the mention of this bill in Paradigm Shift, Page 86:

2/11/08 Monday – Sarah signs the Safe Haven Bill to ensure a child could be safely left at local hospitals. (Truth Seeker)

FrostyAK

6/12/2011 06:20:31

But Floyd, how convenient was that timing?

The part about not knowing about the bill was from Gryphen's commenter. I remember thinking it was indeed a great law - until I got to thinking how it was probably USED by the Tundra Turd.

IMO, the whole $palin circus is run by the 'man behind the curtain'. When we expose him/her, we get the whole story.

Floyd M. Orr link

6/12/2011 07:40:09

FrostyAK, you are doggone right about the timing. That's why I made sure to include it in the book! As Sarah says, there are no coincidences!

Viola

6/12/2011 07:44:12

The only way to stop /get rid of / end Palin's domination is a big enough scandal. Otherwise, we'll have her puppeted at us forever. Like Sarah J says, too few care about policy. Few even care about criminal misconduct.

LTA

6/12/2011 08:30:02

Viola, you are so right.

I was so excited about the emails...I felt sure 24,000 pages was simply too much volume for them to redact EVERYTHING.

But now the bloom is off the cactus and I realize of course that ANY number of pages can be cleaned up in three YEARS.

That alone just makes me livid...you know AK is supposed to process and fulfill FOIA requests within ten DAYS...and Palin then Parnell dragged this on for years.

What will finally bring SS Palin crashing into the wall of lies they built...is the release of the 2,400 emails they held back. THAT is where all the dirt is.

I hope and pray those emails see the light of day.

Muchos Gracias

6/12/2011 09:05:15

I was born and raised in the Midwest (specifically, West Michigan, which is VERY conservative and no stranger to dominionist "theology"). I feel the same way as many of you: too many people are blind to the power of someone such as $arah Palin who knows all the right "dog whistles" / code / buzzwords and wears all of the right things (drapes herself in a flag on the cover of a running magazine / never leaves home without a prominent flag pin, cross or Star of David) She is to be monitored 24/7/365, and I thank those few who continue to do so.

LTA

6/12/2011 09:11:48

I just looked up the email containing the press release about Palin signing the Safe Haven law. I had not previously been aware the signing date was possibly so relevant to babygate.

I know we have theorized that Trig may have been born the first week of February. Numerous things point in this direction, and of the only 2 or 3 babies CBJ had delivered in the year before Trig's birth, one of them was a baby born the first week of February.

Perhaps the original plan was for Trig to be "safe haven'd" and then Sarah & Todd would announce they were "adopting".

At some point, someone may have pointed out that if the governor & family announced they were adopting a special needs child, they could face harsh criticism for choosing to take on such a burden while they were so busy, maybe people would say Palin would need to devote all of her resources to this special needs child, etc. BUT...if Palin shows up PREGNANT...people assume she's been surprised by a "change of life" baby. When the DS diagnosis is revealed, people feel empathy for the family and applaud Palin for "choosing" to carry the pregnancy.

Just another "maybe" scenario...

Trig's birth mother gives birth 1st week Feb
Palin signs Safe Haven law 2nd week of Feb
Once it's revealed Trig will pull through, "pregnancy" is announced

Thoughts?

Jane

6/12/2011 09:25:26

"In 1999, Texas was the first state to enact a safe haven law. By the middle of 2006, only Alaska, Hawaii, the District of Columbia, and Nebraska were without safe haven laws."

"In the spring of 2008 Nebraska and Alaska both passed their safe haven laws." (the last states to do so)

Might be kind of embarrassing for a protective mama grizzly governor NOT to sign. Coincidental is my guess, not abuse of power. However, she may have actually read it, and gotten some ideas.

Viola

6/12/2011 09:26:41

LTA, I'll go you one further. A baby is abandoned. News gets to Sarah. She signs the bill and takes the baby. Could it be that simple? Perhaps I don't understand the intricacies of the SafeHaven Law? Is it possible that the Law caused several babies to be given up at once? Sarah allows the Bristol rumors because then her political act can be hidden as a mother's protection of her daughter. . .

at this point, anything is possible. but I suspect it will be the last thing we even imagine. I never imagined Palin would last this long.

bob

6/12/2011 10:02:26

In Frank Bailey’s book, he quotes an email from Palin, dated April 1, 2008 (April Fools Day) lamenting rumors that she’s not pregnant, and Bristol is. She indicates that she will pull reporter McAllister aside and tell him it’s not true. Was this when a job was discussed? Did McAllister come up with the staging idea that was implemented a couple weeks later as a response to her lament? Page 211 for those with book.

Is it probable that McAllister suggested that if Palin looked more pregnant, rumors would be put to rest? And that he did so without being a party to the hoax?

The counter to this line of reasoning, is that the photo was not made public—but kept private --till late August. But still, we do see that McAllister was her “go-to” media person that early to squash the rumor.

Lidia17

6/12/2011 10:53:30

Cracklin' Charlie, I'm with you: I don't buy Joe McGinniss' line that the MSM enables Palin because of "profit". What "profit", exactly?

More and more people are tuning out the MSM daily, turning to blogs which can't give the scope and depth that the MSM were once capable of, but among which one can find at least a few that are not fundamentally corrupt.

People are abandoning the MSM in part BECAUSE of "media phenomena" like Palin.

Lidia17

6/12/2011 11:13:41

@Bobcat Logic, very interesting!

@Sarah Jones; “crazy v sane”
I’ve always loved this Balloon Juice post:

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2009/02/05/youll-never-get-this-21-minutes-of-your-life-back/

“Instapundit, Malkin, and Joe the Plumber discuss politics for PJTV.
There is so much to love about this, I don’t know where to start, but certainly Joe the Plumber bemoaning the lack of spending cuts and general program cuts in the stimulus bill was a highlight. It is almost as if he doesn’t have the first damned clue what he is talking about. A close runner-up would be Instapundit heralding Bush’s MBA as evidence of his awesome managerial skills. There was just so much to love, it is hard to narrow down the “best” parts.
“I really don’t understand how bipartisanship is ever going to work when one of the parties is insane. <b>Imagine trying to negotiate an agreement on dinner plans with your date, and you suggest Italian and she states her preference would be a meal of tire rims and anthrax. </b> If you can figure out a way to split the difference there and find a meal you will both enjoy, you can probably figure out how bipartisanship is going to work the next few years.”

@viola, what is perverse is that what could be considered a “big enough scandal” seems to change depending on the observer. Picking up boys in lavatories or 'hiking the Appaliachian trail" or getting diapered by a prostitute is not as big a scandal as tweeting a picture of your manly bulge.

A VP candidate faking a pregnancy is not as big a scandal as receiving oral sex in the Oval Office.

IOKIYOR, basically.

And Sarah isn’t even a Republican; she’s apparently pretty much AIP. Not that there’s anything wrong with that…

alexis

6/12/2011 13:52:09

Does anyone know anything about Karleen Jackson PhD ( commisioner of health and servises) during palin's term. I think she resigned March 9, 2008 a few days after palin announced her pregnancy over differences of opinion.

Just found this interesting emails mentioning her from Nov,9,2007. The palin's were in Hawaii then and sarah left abruptly for whatever reason.

Unknown
From: PARNELL, (GOV sponsored) ADMINISTRATIVE

Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 5:50 PM
To: 'gov.sarah@yahoo.com'
Subject: OCS-infant
Governor,
Page of 1
Karlsen Jackson called with an extremely urgent situation involving OCS. When you get the
opportunity, please call me at You'Il want to be in a quiet place where you can
think and talk for a few minutes, if you haven't already been contacted.

From: PARNELL, (GOV sponsored) ADMINISTRATIVE

sent; Friday, November 09, 2007 6:34 PM
To: 'gov.sarah@yahoo.com'
Subject: Reduced urgency
No need to call until you have time. Karleen get more facts after speaking

Sean

6/12/2011 14:08:01

I, too, am frustrated by the media and the lack of accountability demanded by most of the American public of their "news" organizations.

Due to various factors in my life, I spend a lot of time in other countries. I was working for an insurance company during 9-11, and afterwards helped coordinate the effort to figure out our losses. In early October I saw a report on the internet from the Hindustani times that there were only 3000 dead, not 6000. I checked the lists of dead on the CNN website, and discovered that the info from India was right - so I sent out a memo telling people to use 3000, not 6000, when making estimates. Within 48 hours CNN reacted ... by removing the numbers altogether. If you wanted to figure out the number of dead you would have had to print out the names and count them. It took them 6 weeks to start using 3000, instead of 6000 ... and no one ever commented on it. Why? We were starting to bomb Afghanistan.

During the build-up to the Iraq War, I was frustrated that so many in the US were convinced that Iraq had WMD when it was clear over here (Europe) that there was plenty of room for doubt. I switched between CNN and news in German - and the reporting was completely different - even though they were sister stations.

I was in Australia during part of the health care debate. Strangers would ask me why my country was crazy - why were Americans demonstrating against health care? But we know that it's largely because of Sarah and the death panels - and that's one reason I want to see her made irrelevant. And much of the news organizations fired...

Often I think that there must be something fundamentally wrong with our species. For the control of the "truth" has been going on for millennia, but very few have asked why and how.

6/12/2011 14:30:35

@viola: I think Trig - especially the ears - looks like a Palin. However I think it very likely that Ruffles was borrowed when they needed a newborn.

The signing of the baby bill is interesting, but wouldn't it have required some work in the legislature first?

Cracklin' Charlie

6/12/2011 15:02:32

V,

9/11 was a real turning point for me. At the time I was a housewife in Missouri. I was telling everyone I knew that there were no nuclear weapons in Iraq. Of course no one believed me, but I knew.

If a housewife in Missouri knew for fact that there were no weapons, everyone in government, and media also knew. No doubt about it.

I believe now that the selling of the Iraq war to the public was really part of the war, and that basically the Bush Regime went to war against their own people to achieve their evil agenda. This war, in many ways, is still being fought today.

FrostyAK

6/12/2011 15:18:52

Seems like ProChoiceGrandma found a birth hoax smoking gun email. It's in the comments at Politicalgates.

http://politicalgates.blogspot.com/2011/06/five-four-three-two-one-its-whacky.html#comment-224333918

"Just like Todd's "kicked ass" email, here is an email from Sarah, heading home from Dallas, with no mention of contractions, leaking amniotic fluids, or asking anyone to get an ambulance ready:

http://www.crivellawest.net/pa...
From: gov.sarah@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:53 AM
To: Colberg; Talis J (LAW)Subject:
Re: Tina Otto
What a goof he is... truly annoying.Thanks for the info- I'm headed home from Dallas.
Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Cellular One
-----Original Message-----
From: "Colberg, Talis J (LAW)" <talis.colberg@alaska.gov>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:27:14
To:gov.sarah@yahoo.com
Subject: Tina Otto
Dear Governor Palin,I just learned that our attorney Tina Otto (who was our Mat maid attorney) is leaving to become a Magistrate. I talked to her and she said it was not because of the Mat Maid case that she is leaving. However, she noted that apparently Andrew Halcro has learned of her new job and put it on his blog. This time, however, he has not added the commentary that he had before. He is not claiming she is leaving because of Mat Maid.
This time he is just reporting it.Talis</talis.colberg@alaska.gov> "

mistah charley, ph.d. link

6/12/2011 20:26:18

I agree with "Cracklin' Charlie" - although Babygate is a big hoax, it is not the biggest hoax of the 21st century - the "War on Terror" is.

My father, colonel charley, was a career military officer who was a veteran of World War II and Korea. A few months before he died in 2009, he was reminiscing about how hospitable the Japanese people were to the American occupation forces. I said, "They'd had enough of war." My father replied, "I wonder when the American people will have enough of war." In his old age he got his medical care at Walter Reed Army Medical Center. I would sometimes go with him, and see the young men and women with missing limbs and destroyed faces who are part of the cost of war. He hated the term "warfighter", which appeared in banners in the lobby at WRAMC. "In my day we were SOLDIERS."

I have concluded, with much sadness, that the American militarism that brought us war with Vietnam when I was young, and war with Iraq today, is not a flaw of our socioeconomic system, but a feature. I recommend Eugene Jarecki’s documentary film, Why We Fight, which includes President Eisenhower’s warning about the influence of the “military-industrial complex”.

Until our political leaders lead the fight against these “masters of war” (in Bob Dylan’s phrase), instead of speaking of US soldiers occupying foreign lands as “defending our freedom”, we can expect more war and ruinously expensive preparations for war.

Instead of the military-industrial-congressional-financial-corporate media complex serving the government, which serves the people, it has become the other way round. We are a country at perpetual war, whose leaders commit crimes against humanity with impunity.

In Eisenhower's Farewell Address the first draft referred to the "military industrial congressional complex". I suggest an expanded version, with a nifty, easy to say acronym - the military industrial congressional financial corporate media complex - MICFiC, for short. (Notice that the second i is not capitalized - this makes it more fun to write on placards.) It's a conspiracy to use, confuse, and abuse the people (people all over the world, not just the American people). Metaphorically speaking, the goal is to milk, shear, and slaughter the sheeple (except that the slaughter is literal, not metaphorical.)

ginny

6/12/2011 20:31:26

FrostyAK, I wish I could see these "lack of comment on labor/contractions/etc" as smoking gun emails, but most people will just say that the Palins simply didn't want to alarm anyone, or just were "private" and didn't want to discuss it with staff.

Lidia17

6/12/2011 23:47:50

The Charlies rule the day… they are both so right!

@ginny, I know! Yet it's precisely the staff who need to know that the governor will be out of commission for a while!

I don't know why this continues to be SUCH an uphill case to make out there in the larger world! It's quite perplexing to me.

ginny

6/13/2011 00:37:50

Lidia17,

Yep, I agree about her staff being the ones who would need to know what's going on. My only explanation for why people, esp. those who already don't like Palin much, are so unwilling to "go there" and see the evidence for her faked pregnancy is that they are so terrified of being labeled a birther-type conspiracy-theorist. It's been a powerful deterrent to exposing her.

viola

6/13/2011 01:15:14

With scandal, it's in the degree. Weiner's downfall was not the tweets, but his wacky lies and his beautiful, pregnant wife. Schwartzenegger's downfall was not an affair or even sleeping with a bunch of women, it was fathering a child and carrying on a relationship with a beloved, trusted family servant under the noses of his wife and children for 13 years.

If Palin merely covered up for Bristol, she'd be fine. But it appears there was far more subterfuge and unsavoriness going on. Trig was too conveniently the key to her success. If this were Shakespeare, Trig will have to be her downfall, as well.

What makes the Trig scandal a major historical event is its gender specificity: it would be the first time in American politics that a womb (or faux womb) will have caused as much trouble as a penis.

6/13/2011 02:48:22

Sorry O/T But is this a photo of Ruffles? Check out the ear:

http://blowpoppalin.blogspot.com/2009/05/twt-tweets-tattered-twits.html

Molly

6/13/2011 03:51:07

Her letter from God is interesting. She wrote it six weeks before her due date.

http://palingates.blogspot.com/2011/06/i-found-sarah-palins-letter-from-god.html#disqus_thread

Ottoline

6/13/2011 05:18:13

To the two Charlies: To me, the old phrase "follow the money" explains the wars we are in. A relatively small group of people are making huge fortunes on these wars. They planned to do so, and Bush enabled it. No problem to them that the U.S. is spilling its treasure in the sand (blood and money), has done so for years, and will do so into the future. They are getting theirs, as we see from the huge shift in wealth distribution in our country.

This fits with the lowered tax rate on the wealthiest. And, in order to keep things going well for this group, the Supreme Court has allowed unlimited, secret funding for candidates in elections.

It fits with this point, too:

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/republicans-intentionally-sabotaging-economy-political-gain-164843992.html

--that these same war profiteers would be happy to sabotage the economy in order to win the next election. They're doing a great job by trying to establish reduced spending and debt limits at a time when we should be doing just the opposite. The Repub austerity message sounds good to those who do not understand the difference between a family budget and macroeconomics for the U.S.

Sarah Palin's role in this? A fabulous distraction. She's so very good at it, and we know she has big-money string-pulling help that is barely visible to us. Keeps us peeps involved in the ridiculous soap opera (divorce! face lifts! clothes! unruly children! etc.!) and not focused on the larger issues. And closer to the election, the Repubs can dump her and present a more palatable puppet that serves these big-money interests in much the same way

Remember in the movie "Farenheit 451" the view of the future was presented as a beautifully groomed Julie Christie spending her days mesmerized by her large-screen tv that broadcast entertaining seductive addicting propaganda -- while books were being burned all around her. That's our Sarah -- providing lots of opportunities for the MSM and us peeps to ignore the substantive issues.

BUT: the Internet happened, and we can talk in these blogs. A brand-new wild card in the tried-and-true equation that has previously worked to concentrate wealth/power through the ages.

Go Laura! Go Prof Scharlott! Obama is too busy to work this part of the court. The MSM has proved itself unable. So we have to do it.

6/13/2011 05:31:25

Well said, Ottoline.

viola

6/13/2011 05:55:06

amen, Ottoline.

Cracklin' Charlie

6/13/2011 06:02:22

mistah charley,

My brother-in-law is career Army. He is currently serving in Afghanistan. He and I have had many, many disagreements over the Iraq War. I won't use the WOT moniker because it is senseless, like the War on Mayonnaise.

My sympathy for the loss of your father, he sounds like a wonderful guy. My father served in WW2, and spent time in a prison on Bataan peninsula. I miss him every day.

From the beginning, even back to 9/11, the Bush Administration almost never referred to those serving as SOLDIERS. This was something that I noticed very early on. It was always the troops, or freedom fighters, or some other bs term. The implication of this distinction to me was that these were like a 'throw-away' group of people, whereas a SOLDIER or SAILOR implied an individual with intellect, vitality, and family ties.

What a truly evil thing to do to your fellow man.

Ottoline

6/13/2011 06:08:40

Andrew Sullivan has a good one:

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/06/the-day-trig-was-born.html

Anon55

6/13/2011 06:29:01

Some people have been commenting that the email dump doesn't show any prenatal appointments.

Laura, maybe it would be helpful to have an interview with Doc about typical prenatal appointments -- how many, what intervals, etc. Also, I don't know if, for instance, a 44 year old woman, with 6 prior pregnancies and a history of miscarriages (remember Sarah had two miscarriages, according to The Rogue) and carrying a known Down's Child, would need more prenatal visits than a younger woman with no history of miscarriages and not carrying a special needs fetus.

But Sarah doesn't have any known prenatal visits, according to her schedules.

MariaT

6/13/2011 06:40:46

LTA's comment about CBJ having delivered a baby during the first week of February, reminded me that I'd read that someone had researched the number of DS babies born in Alaska. I do realise that Trig may not have been born in that state, but it would be interesting if it could be proven by the records that NO DS baby was born the Palmer area during April 2008.

LTA

6/13/2011 07:15:08

MariaT, I think that is a fabulous idea. Why have none of us thought to check into AK vital records all this time! We likely wouldn't find a smoking gun, but I bet we would find yet more to add to the Mighty Convincing Circumstantial Evidence pile.

I don't remember where I read it, but someone posted on one of the blog comment threads about how there was no pediatrician at Matsu hospital the late night/early morning when Trig was "born".

I've already mentioned how I do NOT believe any hospital would accept the liability of having a down syndrome/cardiac compromised/premature baby delivered by a general practitioner. It just would NOT happen. When you factor in the high profile patient, the history of miscarriage, and the advanced age... you really have to wonder how anyone buys this.

Matsu would only have allowed this delivery to take place there if there truly was NOT another option- as in "if we try to move her, she will deliver this baby in the parking lot by the helipad, this baby is coming NOW".

Of course we know that is not the case at all...allegedly CBJ had to "induce" Sarah. A DS preemie with holes in his heart being induced 5-8 weeks early (depending on Sarah's audience)?
Absolutely not, NO way.
Not "sometimes it happens..."
Not "well if a celebrity wanted to be induced that early..."
Never, ever happens. I defy any Palinbot to show proof of ONE case in the history of TIME (excluding cases where the baby was taken early to save the child's life or the mother's life- by Sarah's own admission she was healthy and since Trig was allowed to go home within 48 hours of "birth" so we know HE was not in medical crisis) where a baby was induced THAT
early "just because".

I know hipaa binds most of the info we want/need. But I'm pretty sure things like staff logs are not covered under it.

If matsu hospital is forced to admit there was no neonatologist or EVEN a pediatrician there during the hours of Trig's "birth"...things might get interesting.

Banyan

6/13/2011 09:08:23

I recall research on DS births in Alaska (not just the Wasilla area if I remember correctly) appearing on Audrey's blog a long time ago, or maybe it was IM.

I *believe* it indicated a problem with the story as Sarah has retailed it, but do not recall if it covered late 2007 early 2008 which we have since been focusing on a bit.

Anyone remember this???

LTA is absolutely right about the Mat-Su liability/risk issue if events unfolded as per Sarah. It just doesn't happen in real life!

Please, MSM, somebody start asking the right people the right questions!!!!!

Laura Novak

6/13/2011 10:01:32

Thank you all for checking in - especially you, Sarah Jones! The "shiny object" in the room has us all so distracted and dismayed, it's difficult to know how to look deeper or where to turn. But one thing we do know is that the same press that could see the Iraq war is the same press that won't look at this very gender-biased and based mystery/farce. The men do it and we look and gasp in dismay. A woman...not so much!

I have a new post I hope to put up tomorrow while I attend to another fierce deadline I am under. But for now, a little music about the Koch brothers, in honor of this fabulous discussion about the meshing of the political, financial, and moral ambitions of the few, the powerful and the brazen in our country.

Thank you all again for your insight and intelligence. Let's keep talkin'!

Lidia17

6/13/2011 12:31:30

LTA and MariaT, a regular at Palingates (I cannot recall who) DID try to get this PUBLIC information a year or two ago (anonymized frequency of birth defects including DS in various regions of AK) and was blocked from obtaining it.

I hope some Alaskan, especially someone in the health care or even better the public-health arena can request and OBTAIN this PUBLIC information, since it is collected and analyzed with public monies.

It may show there was a DS birth in Wasilla or…?

6/13/2011 13:39:08

lidia, it is my experience that location specific information isn't disclosed in public reports unless there are at least 10 cases at a particular provider within the time period. For example if Mat Su had 3 deliveries in a year with DS, the report would just show "<10".

LTA

6/13/2011 23:03:23

Lidia & Up,

Ok so maybe the DS birth stats are a bust. But the staff manifests for matsu hospital on the day in question...should be available to anyone asking for it.

Anyone want to take bets as to whether or not there will be a pediatrician, a neonatologist, a pediatric cardiologist, or even just an ob/gyn there in case something went wrong with the "labor"?

Didn't think so!

6/14/2011 10:16:03

i don't know if staff lists are public. I did check AK vital statistics site and saw that 31 women aged 40-44 gave birth to preterm babies statewide in 2008. Didn't see stats on DS births.

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