Head Scratcher

7/5/2011

Things that make you, quite literally, scratch your head. Molly sent me this photo (from Bristol's public FB page) and my first thought upon opening it honestly was, "Wow, both boys look just like their reported mothers and nothing like their putative fathers!"

Then I looked at these other composites Molly put together, and I began scratching like a dog with fleas.

H/T to Molly!! Is there anything, anywhere, anyhow in anyway that ever adds up in this story? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone? Just sayin'.

122 Comments

Molly

7/5/2011 06:11:02 am

When I looked at the picture of Trig from Bristol's FB page, I saw a resemblance to Levi. However, now that you mention it, he does look uncannily like Sarah. And Tripp is the spitting image of Bristol.

Whoever tied Trig's shoe laces? The poor child is going to trip up on those.

I don't know what to make of the whole business.

I'm looking forward to hearing what everyone else thinks.

dmoreno

7/5/2011 06:18:40 am

Trigg could look like scara and still be brissdull's. My son looked just like my mom when he was born. Tripp is a doll baby and cute as hell. He has the bottom half of brissdull's OLD face and look's nothing like LEVI. Where did that kid get those eyes???? Some baby pics of Levi/Sadie would be helpful, Sadie. Still don't get the boobs at the RNC????? Poor Trig. I don't see Toad in any of those kids. Not a one. Maybe, Willow, but just a little bit since she looks so different from the rest of the pack.

K.M.R

7/5/2011 06:23:32 am

I have seen pictures of Levi as a little guy. Little Tripp does look like him. What I am wondering is why Trig is the same size as Tripp?

Conscious at last!

7/5/2011 06:39:02 am

They are both so adorable!

Trig looks good in orange and Tripp- oh what a cutie in those boots.

Other than how appealing both boys are, what hits me is the obvious difference in the hair color which I am confident is natural for both of them. Also, Trig's hair looks quite straight while Tripp's hair is a little wavy or curly.
That should tell us something.

Yes, they are very close in height, but we know that we have not been told their true ages. Moreover, children develop at different rates.

MrsGunka

7/5/2011 06:42:08 am

I took my eyes off Levi in the three-some and saw a great resemblance to Keith. It seems someone mentioned "too bad your father may be going down too." or something like that. When Sarah goes down, Keith will too?
I think Piper is the spitting image of Toad. Those two boys are as different as day and night and would never guess they are related. Why did only one newborn baby look DS? The one in Bailey's book, taken in the office? Not the ones shown in the hospital or shortly thereafter?

AFM

7/5/2011 06:43:38 am

K.M.R.

I wondered the same thing. There is something fishy about these kids. At times I wonder if they are twins.

cuzIsaidso

7/5/2011 06:44:05 am

I feel crazy even posting this but the thought I had was: Oh my gosh, we are looking at non-identical, non-fraternal "twins". I put that in parenthesis because I am not sure babies are called twins when they have two different fathers. I have heard of this very rarely happening. A woman can release two eggs, and if she has sex with two partners in a very, very short amount of time, sperm from different sources could impregnate the woman at nearly the same time.
If this is the case, it would explain the boys being so close in size for the past couple years. It would explain the premature delivery theory. Sarah could withstand the scrutiny from the right for a teenage daughter making a "mistake with her serious boyfriend", but not for delivering two babies at the same time by different daddies-Jerry Springer/Maury Povich-style.
Whoa-what if it was TRIplets? Tri-g, Tri-pp and Tri-ruffles? That is outer limits crazy but...impossible? No.
@Molly-great snag! In looking through those pictures on Facebook, Bristol carefully hides her belly in Haiti except where she is gazing out at the horizon. You can see the bump in profile.

Leona

7/5/2011 06:49:43 am

K.M.R., people with Down Syndrome do have short stature, so it is understandable that Trig is shorter than Tripp.

I think Trig looks like Levi.

Both kids look very cute, happy, having fun together as brothers usually do.

ginny11

7/5/2011 06:55:21 am

Wow! Trig does look a lot like SP in that pic, but I still see more Levi in Trig than in Tripp. I think Willow is a female Todd in looks, and Piper is the spitting image of SP at every age. Tripp is a blond-haired blue-eyed Bristol, who herself looks most like Chuck.

Brad Scharlott

7/5/2011 06:59:40 am

Trig looks a somewhat like Levi's dad to me. I wish I knew more about how a DS child differs facially from non-DS; it would be possible in Photoshop to "correct" for the effects of DS and get a better sense of generational links. But I don't know enough to try that that.

Conscious at last!

7/5/2011 07:00:02 am

Hey Bristol--

We hear that your book sales are a bit slow-- I've got an idea for ya--

How about actually writing a book yourself this time-- telling the truth about these two sweet guys? I bet that would sell!!!

Mhurka

7/5/2011 07:06:44 am

As for Tripp's blue eyes, two grandparents have blue eyes-Todd and (I think) Levi's mother.

7/5/2011 07:07:51 am

I immediately saw a similarity between Trig and Keith Johnston. I think Piper looks like Sally Heath.

Brad Scharlott

7/5/2011 07:07:54 am

"Almond-shaped eyes; flat-bridged nose, protruding tongue and a small oral cavity form the facial features of children with a Down syndrome."

I am on the road and do not have the full version of Photoshop right now. If anyone reading has that, you might use the liquify tool to correct for the characteristics above and see what you get. Result would look more like Levi's dad, I think.

7/5/2011 07:08:40 am

I am struck by how much younger Levi looks in the picture with his dad and Tripp than he looks in the pictures from the convention (which should be an earlier photo). It makes no sense. Does anyone else see this? Also, how tall is Keith? He looks enormous compared to Levi. I know that some of it is because Levi is standing a little bit behind in the photo. Or could it be that that is a younger Levi and the photo is from before the convention, before the supposed December 2008 birth of Tripp?

Olivia

7/5/2011 07:13:41 am

The only resemblance I see for Sarah and Trig is those crossed eyes. It is a trait that runs in my family also but we get them treated because we believe that reading is an essential skill.

betsy s

7/5/2011 07:34:38 am

Everybody! That picture with Keith is Ruffles, then standing in for Trig. It is not Tripp. Levi is wearing a photoshopped t-shirt with "McCain/Palin" tipped in rather badly. He is wearing the same camo cap he wore in the hospital with the tiny baby, also aka
Ruffles. Tripp's boots are on the wrong feet.
Also, too, Sherry had some little kid pictures of Levi that look a lot like Tripp.
I think that Trigg is an adopted DS baby through the church (records burned up) or CBJ (disappeared) .

FrostyAK

7/5/2011 07:38:57 am

If one were curious, one might ask why there are more current pictures of Trig on Bri$tol's FB page and not on $arah's. Makes you go Hmmmm.

Melly

7/5/2011 07:42:34 am

Jo, that pic of Levi/Keith/Tripp has been studied, and the conclusion was that Levi's t-shirt says McCain Palin across it, so even tho he looks young there it would be post-campaign.

For an interesting cf of SP and these boys, go to this link--the pic of SP as a baby holding a prawn or lobster or something:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_J9PlRvGGXS8/Selr08MmStI/AAAAAAAAAOc/4kqCOAodmSw/s320/sarah-palin-baby.jpg

I have always believed that Trig is a Palin/Heath. Just a question of which/who of 'em.

eva marie

7/5/2011 07:48:45 am

Has anyone ever thought or discussed the possibility of the three generation picture being photoshopped? Wouldn't a picture of such importance be better staged? Parties centered, better dressed(?), both looking at the camera. It is a candid shot with of all things the military picture of Track being in the center of the photo.

FrostyAK

7/5/2011 07:49:10 am

One might ask where that "3 generation" picture was taken as well as when, also too. Looks like the writing on the wall (no pun intended) is backwards. I mirrored it, but cannot read the words. Maybe a business? Brad can you separate layers and get just the writing?

Most Alaskans are not in just tee shirts in winter and early spring (known here as breakup), unless they can afford to keep their homes toasty warm - BIG bucks.

Ron

7/5/2011 07:57:32 am

All I really have to say is that both Trig and Tripp are incredibly cute kids. I really hope they are getting all the love and attention they deserve.

Mhurka

7/5/2011 08:01:39 am

Trig's eye color(at least from the photo) looks like it's a much darker shade of brown than Sarah's.
I recall reading a while back ago that Levi was part Mexican-(I think Keith Johnston's mother was Mexican but I don't remember exactly).
I always thought that Levi had a slight Latin look to him but is that look also going on with Trig?

K.M.R

7/5/2011 08:04:40 am

This is far fetched but doesn't the bible have something in it about interbreeding? Could this be what's going on? A crazy notion, true, but I'm at the point that even crazy sounds almost plausible.
There's got to be something we're missing - almost like when you look and look at hidden picture and see nothing. Once you do, you can't fathom why it didn't jump out at you sooner.

eva marie

7/5/2011 08:06:21 am

Regarding Levi's tee shirt: With all the proof that there was talk of Palin possibly being McCain's choice in September of 2008 is it possible that tee shirts of some kind were printed, in a small quantity, given to a small group of people, before she was officially selected. I see tee shirts all the time of local people/celebrities for governor, mayor, etc. Example from this weekend: Kermit Ruffins for mayor. This is obviously a local joke and will never happen.

Has anyone found another copy or picture of the tee shirt on another person?

And in my previous comment by photoshopping I meant that it looks like the two people in front of the bookcase were dropped into this picture from two different pictures.

Mercede is quoted on that picture saying that her father is going to fight for Levi to have 50/50 custody for the baby. What happened to that?

Pat

7/5/2011 08:06:55 am

I see exactly what you are talking about. In each row, Trig's face and Levi's face are in the same position and DO have some resemblance. Go back and look at them using that as your reference. Also, Levi cannot be the same age in both these pictures. The one with his dad has to have been made earlier than when Trip was born, due to the way he looked in August at the convention

Pat in Branson

Jeanette

7/5/2011 08:28:30 am

I have looked at the pictures that folks say are of Trig and Tripp on Bristol's Facebook page but I don't think that is Trig, at least not the Trig brought out at the convention. He doesn't have the same facial features, particularly around the mouth. I suspect that picture was posted to satisfy everyone who is asking "where is Trig?"

It is interesting to note that the two children are not identified. I also don't think the child on the left is walking although I suspect the picture was staged to make it look so. The child is leaning into Tripp and shoelaces would never be tied by a caring mother with those large hanging loops for a child who is learning to walk.

Tripp, who is nine months older is much taller than "Trig" who doesn't seem to have grown much taller than the large baby at the convention.

In looking at the pictures during the campaign and later, I think there were at least two young children that played the roll of Trig.

So I will ask again. Where is Trig?

lilly lily

7/5/2011 08:30:11 am

Trig looks like Sarah did at that age. When she was holding the crustatian. Cross eyes and all.

Who knows. I don't have a clue.

Fraternal Twins? Shrugs.

Good that Trig and Tripp are growing up together.

lilly lily

7/5/2011 08:32:11 am

Same six books at Borders. Not moving.

FrostyAK

7/5/2011 08:43:30 am

How do we know that the SUPPOSED pic of $P as a youngster (with crustacean) is for real? Where did it come from? Who posted it?

Also, how do we KNOW that the army pic in the background of the 3 generation pic is of Track?

Bob

7/5/2011 08:48:25 am

Kids look cute. i can see a resemblance to Levi in Trig and but not in Tripp. In the end, a perusal of just this comments section shows me that who the kids resemble is so subjective as to be futile.

eva marie

7/5/2011 09:00:00 am

FrostyAK: The three generation picture has been discussed on both IM and Palingates. This is where I got the idea that picture on the bookcase is Track. I don't remember if it was proven or is still conjecture.

Have you ever seen anyone wearing the tee shirt that Levi is sporting in this picture?

FEDUP!!!

7/5/2011 09:04:41 am

Is that REALLY TriG? Or is it just an acquaintance - like maybe that kid from that woman where Piper was pushing the stroller and everyone thought it was TriG, when in reality it turned out to be that other woman's (Lauden?) kid.

mumimor

7/5/2011 09:08:58 am

that is a really, really cute picture. And I get the sense that someone is taking good care of those little boys.

All of that comparing looks and breeding stuff feels a bit creepy to me, but there is something I should have seen earlier in the three generations picture: this is not a picture taken during winter in Alaska. No way. I can't think of any form of artificial lightning that would give this sort of image at that latitude in December or January.
Prof. Scharlott, is this something you can read more technically? I am a sort of expert in daylight, but not in how photographs can be manipulated, or filters used or something. However, I don't think anyone would have thought to manipulate this type of image, light-wise.

To be more accurate: anyone can see that both men are wearing t-shirts and generally looking like it's late spring/early summer (no tan, but relaxed in their summer wear). Also, I don't live nearly as far north, but my kids got the full Inuit-treatment whenever we went out of the house during the winter when they were babies. And in our culture, we let our kids nap outside all year, so don't think I'm a sissy. This baby is not dressed for an arctic winter.

The setting seems to be outdoors or semi-outdoors like a garage or shed, but that can't be certain. What can be certain, unless the picture is manipulated, is that it is daylight, not artificial lighting. At 60 degrees north, in December or January, the sun will be at an extremely low angle /when it's up), and the light will have a particular color and quality which is entirely different from that in the image shown here.
This is a completely random image from the internet from Jan 27th in Anchorage: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4081/5394331253_96b59d3f32.jpg
It shows a good day, and will give those of you who haven't been up north a good sense of the quality of light of beautiful winter days. Cloudy winter days are just really sad and very dark and depressing, unless you are out in some wilderness where everything is beautiful.
If this picture was taken in Alaska, my guess is it was taken in May or maybe early June. Later than that, we'd get the lovely summer light, which is warmer in tone.

Upstate NY

7/5/2011 09:14:37 am

Tripp is wearing a sweatshirt promoting a college, and Trig is leaning into him. Ha! Trig's as close to "college" as any other Palin has ever gotten.

Banyan

7/5/2011 09:20:18 am

Tripp appears taller than Trig but that may simply be due to growth problems characteristic of Down Syndrome. The crossed eyes are probably part of the DS effects too.

What strikes me here is that Levi has longer, curly hair in this "3 generations" picture allegedly centered around "Tripp."

His hair looks much as it did in the Mat-Su delivery suite picture shown in one of the previous posts.

Levi's sister has said (FWIW) that the only delivery Levi showed up for was Trig's.

Otherwise, I'm not going to go by resemblances here, I'd like a thorough and independently verified DNA analysis -- keeping in mind that if Sarah is proclaimed the mother via DNA , then IVF is the only alternative that would make sense.

All that is certain (99.99%) is that Sarah did not give birth to Trig or any other baby on April 18, 2008.

lilly lily

7/5/2011 09:42:03 am

The holding a crustatean (a large crayfish) picture of Sarah,with rolls of childs fat and wearing some kind of sunsuit, was in an unauthorized picture book put out with Heath family photographs. I assume by Sarah or someone in the Heath family to capitalize on their popularity and make a few thousand bucks. I didn't buy it, as I have bought nothing to give anyone in that family a penny, but there must be thousands out there. It couldn't have been pirated as there were too many Heath family pictures.

mumimor

7/5/2011 09:45:51 am

Just for comparison: Sarah with Trigg in late *June* 2008: http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2009/01/gov_palin_rises_to_defense_of.html
She is wearing clothes other people would wear in December, and the baby is bundled in layers. Nice light, too.

lilly lily

7/5/2011 09:47:58 am

Trig was walking during the book tour. At one stop Piper was chasing after him as he made a break for it. There is a tape of it somewhere.

Quiet1

7/5/2011 09:51:57 am

What is the backward logo in the photos with Levi and his father? It's odd, it almost looks like it could be a frosted window, but a bookcase is positioned in front of it.

akgrrl

7/5/2011 09:52:33 am

Is it just me, or does the DS child in the top photo with Tripp not look anything at all like the DS child in the composite photos? They eyes are different. The nose is different. The mouth is different. I just wish we could see an ear...

Ferry Fey

7/5/2011 09:53:40 am

Brad, I think it would be a very bad idea to try to Photoshop away the Down Syndrome to see if there is otherwise any resemblance.

I've never seen any useful consensus as to who Trig resembles, outside of his DS characteristics. It's not a fruitful line of inquiry, as far as I'm concerned.

Remember for photos like the "three generation" one, that your screen resolution on your monitor is very crude compared to the resolution of a printed magazine or book page. When in doubt, go for the original form to settle questions, such as whether the photo in the back is Track. I recall someone identifying the room as Bristol's, though I don't know if that was confirmed.

Melly

7/5/2011 09:55:58 am

If Tripp's tongue was filling his smile like Trig's, or if Trig's tongue were not there, the boy's smiles would be basically identical.

emrysa

7/5/2011 09:56:07 am

here is a post from palingates with a few pics of levi as a kid.

http://palingates.blogspot.com/2010/01/tripp-enjoys-christmas-and-might-still.html

the blond kid in the pic above resembles levi when he was a kid - but that kid also looks like chuck.

the brown-haired kid resembles levi as he is now.

Caroline

7/5/2011 09:56:08 am

Heh. Trig does look like Sarah, but could be just because the eyes are crossed and the tongue is visible.

Banyan

7/5/2011 10:06:59 am

I also think there are some weird problems with the 3 generations picture (as mentioned above --the tee shirt Levi is wearing, the backwards writing, the summer clothes).

I hope Brad can tell us if it has been photoshopped.

Cracklin' Charlie

7/5/2011 10:08:14 am

I think both boys look like they have the same nose. Those are not Palin/Heath noses.

Brickian

7/5/2011 10:14:17 am

Dear Laura and community,

This is starting to get specious. Remember when a number of Americans (fairly) lambasted Bill Frist for examining Terry Schiavo from afar and making a diagnosis? Not a neat parallel, granted, but I get shades of that here. Laura, I commend you for the investigative work you've done. Please don't discredit yourself by descending into the spurious.

And the girls on the bus post was gratuitously mean. :-( More of the meaty, investigative work you've posted, please...less of this!!

emrysa

7/5/2011 10:19:38 am

the problem with the 3 generations picture is that it is a scan from the magazine. that is why there is backwards writing; you can see through the page. that's also why it's a bad photo for trying to document appearances/ages. I wish we had an original of that one.

and caroline @ 16:56:08 - I think you nailed it!!!

lilly lily

7/5/2011 10:25:04 am

Two years since she guit Alaska. And I don't have any more answers than I did then.

But Sarah has gone to single digits in the polls, so she is doing something right.

I hope she goes ballistic about Michele Bachman, since she obviously feels her personal style is being copied.

Christine O'Donnell copied her style, but I don't think Michele Bachman has copied Palin at all. Much as I find everything else about her rerehensable, she does dress with taste and looks like a professional should..

Sarah Palin doesn't.

And neither does Bristol.

FEDUP!!!

7/5/2011 10:25:37 am

Also, too, the mouth of the kid in $arah's arms has a different shape than the kid with Tripp. I know he is smiling and that changes the shape somewhat, but IMHO not as much as it seems to do here. In the toddler pics, he has a pretty severe case of DS, I believe, but does not seems to have it in the newest picture with Tripp. Maybe this is his twin (the one that was shown in the blue sweater in the plane?)

claudia

7/5/2011 10:40:54 am

Regarding Levi's tshirt, other than the small McCain/Palin up top, what does the rest of the shirt say and what does it have to do with a presidential race?

Levi definitely looks younger here than during the campaign.

And Levi's father was never around for any of the custody battle or its lead up. Very suspicious.

Please, would somebody who can enlarge the screen image take a close look at that tshirt?

Who Knows?

7/5/2011 10:42:31 am

The three generations picture was discussed at IM.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2009/03/i-read-trashy-gossip-magazines-so-that.html

Gryphen said...
No I don't think the picture was photoshopped.

The words and lines you see in the background are from a Paula Abdul story on the other side of the page.

I am sorry but scanning magazine pictures is not my forte'.
7:25 AM

Julia Brown

7/5/2011 10:51:57 am

The three generations picture was taken in the Palin's living room in their house in Wasilla. 100% verified at least that that's what the background is. Now - could it have been "photoshopped" to put the people against a static "known" background? Yes, because the ONLY version of this photo anyone ever got was what was published in the National Enquirer at a very low resolution, so if it was altered or composited in some way, it would be impossible to tell.

I believe Gryphon at IM looked very hard to identify this t-shirt and came up blank. No one recognized it and he begged for people to do so. It was suggested at the time that the McCain Palin text was added specifically in order to prove that the picture had to be taken after September of 2008, but no one could ever prove that.

Who Knows?

7/5/2011 10:55:47 am

@ claudia

Here's a repeat of what I wrote earlier today. (on Just Sayin')

@ Jeanette & betsy s

The picture in Star of Keith and Levi Johnston always struck me as strange. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_d4ad6QlLNEE/ScciXVUm6qI/AAAAAAAAAJk/kv8IfY2Mz3c/s400/img015.jpg

1) What an unusual "campaign" t-shirt. I tried to figure out what the rest of the words are on Levi's shirt. The only thing I came up with is the "ama" could represent Mount or Lake Illiama (in southwest Alaska).

2) It was said that this photo might have been taken in the Palin living room and yet the shelving unit looks like something that would be in a younger girl's bedroom. Notice the heart and jewelry box (?) in the background on the shelf. The picture could be of someone in camouflage or hunting gear.

nenagh

7/5/2011 10:55:54 am

lilly lily: Malia Litman's blog Dec 23,2009 has the video in blog entry 'Trig Runs Barefoot Through Parking Lot' from Palin's Going Rogue Bus Tour..at The Village, Fla.. I've got it bookmarked, because I found it so disturbing.

But that Trig looks heavier, chunkier.. and his mouth is open.. or maybe Trig has lost weight when he started to run around?

This Trig has a lovely smile.. so maybe he is just much happier and healthier off the bus..

Curious isn't it?

CarrieR

7/5/2011 11:07:10 am

Just throwing this out there, I have no proof of anything, but if we start to ponder Tripp's REAL age. He does sort of resemble the baby on the plane in Palin's hacked emails. Bristol did say that she was upset that a pic of her son was leaked. (We all thought she was fibbing). Further down the rabbit hole we go....

eva marie

7/5/2011 11:41:28 am

This looks like the same hat and haircut as the three generations picture.

http://www.who2.com/photos/Levi-Johnston/Levi-Johnston_0013.html

curiouser

7/5/2011 11:45:19 am

Look at the boys feet. (h/t eclectricsandra,Palingates)

I'm scratching my head that Bristol would post this photo on a public site. Molly already commented on Trig's ground-dragging shoelaces. How about Tripp with his boots on the wrong feet? Who's taking care of these cutie pies?

All I'll say about who looks like whom is that my son is the spitting image of
George Clooney.

curiouser

7/5/2011 11:55:19 am

As long as I bitched about the boys shoes, I might as well add that someone should shorten Trig's jeans or, at least, roll them up.

FrostyAK

7/5/2011 12:02:13 pm

Okay, the lettering in the pic is explained. Good, one mystery solved.

Tee shirt. The McCain/Palin thing looks stuck on. I can make out the word Alaska, and I think underneath it is Yamaha. Probably a snow machine picture? Typical of tee shirts teens and adults alike wear around here, since many businesses advertise with tee shirts. And yes, we wear shirts that say Alaska on them... hard to find any that don't.

I cannot help much with the lighting, though it is only daylight in Wasilla from about 10:30 to 3:30 on Dec 21. Not sun, mind you, just daylight. Sun often doesn't get over the trees. Check the weather around that time to see if it was sun or clouds? Remember that house is on a lake (maybe no trees in the way), though I don't know if it faces south. I expect it would be artificial light since it was taken indoors? Still the tee shirts aren't standard deep winter wear without layers over it.

Why would Keith be in the palin house? I thought they didn't like the Johnstons.

Jeanette

7/5/2011 12:10:27 pm

I have never been good at seeing how children look like their parents, or not. Maybe that is why I am looking at the picture Bristol posted in a totally different way.

IMO the child on the left is not Trig or at least not the Trig that was toted onto the stage at the Republican Convention. The facial features do not match with that child, particularly around the mouth.

If the pictures of the campaign and after are examined, it does seem as though more than one child was passed off as Trig. Ruffles? I don't know.

The 3 generation picture has been looked at and I am in the camp that believes that the McCain/Palin logo was photoshopped in to date the picture as late 08 or early 09, which I do not believe. Levi is too young in that picture to have it been taken at that time.

I think Mercede posts pictures (and the 3 generation one is hers) to send a message to folks other than us. This may have been a meesage about "ruffles" other than the child we know as Trig and that may be the child she wants so desperately to see.

Speaking of messages, I think Bristol was sending a message to someone, maybe Mercede. What that message may be, I don't know.

Who Knows?

7/5/2011 12:13:11 pm

Here are the two videos mentioned in IM's comments regarding the Palin's living room.

Media Malpractice interview @ the 3:15 mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-95wkCMeUkk&feature=player_embedded#at=187

Matt Lauer interview @ the 4:10 mark:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/27648153/ns/today-today_people/t/her-kitchen-sarah-palin-discusses-campaign-heat/

Eye Wonder

7/5/2011 12:44:10 pm

Any clues in their eye color ?

I speak from a wealth of ignorance, and I know it's not as simple the "recessive gene" / "dominant gene" thing they taught when I was a kid.

But assuming that both boys' eyes are done changing color, Trig's eyes are brown and Tripp's eyes look greyish-blue.

So ... who among the Palins, Heaths and Johnstons has blue eyes and who has brown ?

Anonymoose

7/5/2011 12:51:31 pm

Trig has always looked like Track to me. This photo he looks like Piper. So someone in Sarah's family must be one of the parents. The cross eyes are also a telltale sign. Not sure if Bristol is the mother, or Track is the father, or one of Sarah's sisters... Tripp does look like Bristol and Levi. Or even Levi's mother. I always thought Bristol and Sherry looked alike. Tripp looks bigger than Trig, and also large for a 2.5 yo to me, anyone good at judging the size of toddlers? I guess down syndrome affects height, but gee Trig looked huge for a preemie 4 month old at the RNC! Also I always thought it was interesting that none of the Palin kids have blue eyes. Todd has blue eyes (bb) and Sarah's father has blue eyes, so Sarah must be Bb. So doing the punnet square suggests that approximately half of their children will have blue eyes. Not saying it isn't possible (over time if they had more children it would probably even out), just always thought it was interesting.

ThanksABunchJohn

7/5/2011 03:18:24 pm

The strange Bristol boobs are because of lactation. She was forced to hold her own baby, but it would be a nightmare if she started visibly lactating while supposedly pregnant with her first.

Bound up, then padded out to make her look as pregnant as they wanted us to believe, you get a very odd effect. Very, very odd effect.

silver

7/5/2011 03:51:37 pm

When Levi was on Larry King he said his father talked with Todd a lot so they seemed to be on friendly terms at one time, then it wouldn't be unusual that Keith was in the Palin house. If Keith was the father of Bristol's son I'm not sure Todd would have had a good relationship with him.

L. JOHNSTON: Yes, that would be -- that would be nice. I mean, my dad talks to Todd a lot. And after we did that first interview with Tyra, I mean, he hasn't -- he hasn't called, you know. And they just -- they just pretty much blew us off. So it's just -- you know, it's getting worse.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/22/lkl.01.html

When checking the photo booth pics of Levi and Bristol that she says were taken a few days after Tripp's birth, Levi looks the same as in the 3 generations one.

Trig looks much the same as the book tour Trig I think, just a bit older now. Part of the therapy for children with Down Syndrome is to teach them to keep their tongues in?

It's a very sweet picture of both boys. Trig still reminds me of Levi. I can see Bristol in Tripp's face, mostly the expression Bristol had at one time when she looked more innocent.

V ictoria link

7/5/2011 04:39:41 pm

Down syndrome people grow slowly and generally end up quite short. It's the first symptom mentioned here:

http://children.webmd.com/tc/down-syndrome-symptoms

So the fact that Trig is shorter than Tripp, even though Tripp is younger, is actually to be expected.

In my opinion Trig is definitely related to Sarah, somehow, someway. In another blog posting we examined ears and Trig's ears resembled Sarah's.

But I find it extremely difficult, given everything else, to believe that SP is the mother of that boy.

mumimor

7/5/2011 05:07:07 pm

FrostyAK, I had forgotten the house has huge windows on to the lake. It could be taken in a room with a large window - in May/June. Not Dec/Jan. As you say, the sun hardly gets over the horizon. It is either daylight, or a very professional set-up with lamps and reflectors simulating daylight. (Or maybe something one could do in Photoshop). You can see it from the angle of the light and the range of colors in both highlights and shadows.

Tripp was definitely not a tiny baby in May - but Trigg maybe was.

Lidia17

7/5/2011 06:32:40 pm

BradS, I really think the "photoshopping Trig" idea is a terribly poor one. People already won't believe "straight" photos anymore because they assume they've been photoshopped.

Let's please not muddy our own waters. People will or won't see a resemblance—based on their own prejudices, somewhat—as with the Track/Menard photos.

If we seem to be arriving at the conclusion that Trig is indeed a member of the Palin/Johnston clan, then messing with his features does not help the case… on the contrary.

Lidia17

7/5/2011 06:39:44 pm

@Jo, in the photo with Keith, Levi looks exactly the same as he does in the photo-booth photos with an exuberant Bristol, posted recently on Mercede's blog: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QzIZ-BrtQms/ThEcysJh1gI/AAAAAAAAABY/JsXkhXq_tuM/s1600/Levi+%2526+Bristol+-+book.png

In the middle frame, he even has the same expression. They look quite young, younger than at the RNC, anyway.

I never believed that Keith was holding Tripp in that photo. No way.

Sally

7/5/2011 06:40:38 pm

Where are Trig's glasses and hearing aid? Is no one taking care of this child's special needs? Sarah? Please, at least pretend that you care about this little one.

Lidia17

7/5/2011 06:42:50 pm

@Brad S, oh, and it goes without saying that if Tri-G WERE borrowed/adopted from outside the family, adjusting his features to make it look otherwise would be equally unethical and in conflict with our mission, which is to find out the truth.

Lidia17

7/5/2011 07:02:26 pm

@Jeanette, Trig seemed able to stand in the Hawaii photos taken in December 2009. Don't know what his capabilities are and whether he has gotten much physical therapy or encouragement to walk in the interim. They seemed to want to carry him everywhere, rather than even let him try (although I see a lot of parents of other kids pushing them in strollers all the time, for speed and convenience's sake).

From his stance, which looks pretty confident, I'd think he can walk by now, but that's just an impression from the photo. I wouldn't leave the long loops on my own shoes, much less a kid's, so you certainly are being sensible in that.

Heidi3

7/5/2011 07:03:30 pm

@Jeanette 19:10 - Agreed. In the 3-generations photo, the McCain/Palin logo has been photoshopped onto Levi's snowmobile/racing/advertising shirt, despite what Gryphen stated his current opinion was at the time of his 3-22-09 post.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2009/03/i-read-trashy-gossip-magazines-so-that.html

The comments on that post are well worth reading, and contain the discussion about the photo's background being in the Palin family home. Commenter "Who Knows?" above @ 19:13 has provided good links.

A commenter "Betsy S" on Gryph's 3-22-09 post said, "Look really hard at this picture. This is a picture of TRIG, not Tripp. The "McCain * Palin" logo is photoshopped in, onto a flashy resort tshirt that would never combine typefaces like this. Also, the logo is not centered into the neckline of the shirt. Therefore, this is TRIG--and that's why Levi looks so young, he's barely seventeen here. This picture was taken a year or so ago, and it's definitely in the Palin living room, open shelving, photo of Track, model of bridge."

I agree that the 3-generations photo is "Trig", but I think he/she is the "Ruffles" version of Trig. (This is the "Trig" whom I think was supposed to originally have been named "Tripp".) Levi looks like he's 17, which he would be if Ruffles was born in February, 2008 (Levi turned 18 on 5-3-08). But why is Keith Johnston holding the baby? My husband would say, "Three guesses, and the first two are wrong." Haven't I read somewhere that the Johnstons had need of a genetics expert at some point? (Please correct me if I'm wrong, or have additional information.) We've seen two commenters on Mercede's 6-2-11 post:

Anonymous said...
"Don't worry about it Mercede, we know what's going on and we'll do the job for you if Sarah decides to get serious. Sorry that your daddy may have to come down with her."
Wholy Mary
June 27, 2011 11:48 AM

June 3, 2011 9:11 AM
Anonymous said...
"Mercede, You know don't you that all these people don't give a damn about you. All they want is to convince you that they love and adore you so you will eventually tell the evil truth about how Palin had to fake Trig as her own in order to cover up for your naughty family."

"Well don't tell them. And I don't have to tell you that because you aren't going to tell on your family anyway are you. It's just too sick a story to ever tell.
Love, Me."

http://mercedejohnston.blogspot.com/2011/06/when-dealing-with-certain-people.html

(Note that I DO keep in mind that ANY comments could be red herrings...)

So, now I go down the rabbit hole: We've long wondered what possible motive Sarah had for faking the pregnancy. She certainly didn't do it out of the goodness of her heart (she hasn't one) to cover for Bristol, because she promptly threw 'pregnant' Bristol to the wolves up on the world's stage. But she WAS covering for her *family* (which consists only of her political career) because of who Ruffles' father was.

It's not only that Ruffles 'wouldn't do', because of what I believe to be Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (FAS) or even Down Syndrome, but it was his/her paternity that would be so damaging to Sarah's "Queen Esther" goals.

I go further down the hole...
An "acceptable/usable prop" Trig needed to be found post haste, and here, I think we should take a closer look at Fundie "Dr." (Univ. of Phoenix credentials) Gina Loudon from St. Louis. She has used her *adopted* DS son to political & career advantage, and pitched a bitch when Michael Joseph Gross innocently misidentified her DS son as Trig in his October, 2010 Vanity Fair article, thereby supposedly discrediting the entire scathing "hit piece".

Gross's article, if you haven't seen it:
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/10/sarah-palin-201010

"Wholy Mary" suggested we look for a non-medical "Dr. L....." (but don't count the dots, s/he said), yet please understand that these are only MY suppositions. Franklin Graham has million dollar airplanes and a base in Port Alsworth, Alaska. Who better to fly DS babies around? I can easily see the "new/current Trig" being at the ready in the Anchorage airport on the night of 4-17-08.

Not only do I (we) cry over the lack of therapy so apparent with the current Trig, we worry terribly about Ruffles' welfare. I can't shake the feeling that it is Ruffles ('baby brother') who Mercede pines for. She also pines for Tripp, but nowhere do we have *proof* that Bristol even birthed Tripp, or that Levi is his father.

In my mind, there is no point to looking for facial similarities between Trig and any Heath or Palin. Down Syndrome children have their own look, and it really never corresponds with that of the parents. None of this analysis would be necessary if we entertain the idea that the current Trig was "obtained" for the reasons I've brought up.

:: Climbing back out of the rabbit hole now - it's been pretty dark down here for the last 3 year

Dis Gusted

7/5/2011 07:34:10 pm

"Tripp, who is nine months older is much taller than "Trig" who doesn't seem to have grown much taller than the large baby at the convention."

TRIPP is allegedly 9 months YOUNGER than the tiny TriG. However, Ttripp also appears to be approx. 4 years old, which is a year older than reported.

Heidi3

7/5/2011 08:02:53 pm

Sure wish we could edit. Make the first sentence in my second-to-last paragraph:

"In my mind, there is no point to looking for facial similarities between Trig and any Heath, JOHNSTON, or Palin."

And by this, I mean the "current Trig", even though we've seen more than one version of him, too!

ginny11

7/5/2011 08:36:27 pm

Track has light eyes (hard to tell if grey/blue or grey/green):

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XckT2h8g80s/Sy2kr_3yeJI/AAAAAAAAAY0/2yEdW480ZCo/s1600-h/Track+Palin+and+Curtis+Menard+Jr.jpg

And Willow has light eyes (more of a hazel/green maybe, but definitely not brown like SP and BP):

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b26169e20133f5fd0969970b-pi

mumimor

7/5/2011 09:25:22 pm

Now I checked out Who Knows' video links. I can see the three generations pic is obviously taken in the Palin living room: I was confused because the room has those huge double-height windows, that give the out-doors light impression.
Also, the light is very pleasant and soft, because of the reflection from the lake.

The house is south-facing, and I should be able to make a digital model to find out when the daylight has that angle and color - but not before my holidays.
I did check out the angle of the sun at midday (solar time) around Jan 1st - when Tripp was supposed to be newborn: it's 5.68 degrees! That is barely over the horizon. ANY time before or after that hour it would be even lower.
At that time of year, the sunlight (if any) has a distinctive red glow, which should be visible in the highlighted elements of the pictures, and the shadows should be more blue-greenish, less violet. Cheap print tend to be a bit red/violet in itself, so thats difficult to judge from the picture.
Artificial light has a much, much narrower spectrum of colors. Which colors depend on the light source, but it is fairly easy to tell the difference in pictures - try comparing some of your own snapshots from indoors and out, taken of the same person in the same clothes.

pinhead

7/5/2011 10:09:32 pm

The first thing that jumped out at me with the new picture of the two boys is that this "Trig" does not look like the earlier Trig, which is shown in the other pictures.
The second thing is that Tripp looks older than "Trig."
Anyone else think this?

voiceinwind

7/5/2011 10:17:38 pm

In that first photo, I don't think that is the baby screechy's mother was holding at the hospital. The baby Sally was holding had a mouth that sagged on one side. See the photo of the baby Sally was holding and look at the mouth, one side is different from the other side. The photos above of Trig held by screechy in front of that express signage has that sag on one side.

A few weeks ago, I read on another blog that Trig belonged to a guy in Juneau, Dylan Kolvig. I googled his name, too, and found a photo of a teenager with dark hair and a long face, but his mouth looked like Trig's to me.

viola-alex

7/5/2011 10:49:16 pm

Remember these are the Palins. This DS child could be anybody. It's all smoke and mirrors. You asked where Trig was, and here "he" is."

This "Trig" doesn't look like former "Trigs" to me. (But of course, this one looks happy. He's not being dragged around or held awkwardly by a mean granny.)

Floyd M. Orr link

7/5/2011 10:53:03 pm

This is off topic, but I just added an addendum to the latest post on my blog at NIAFS. The post concerns Sarah and Bristol's somewhat disastrous book signing last week. As soon as I got up this morning, I searched for the results of Bristol's follow-up (and first solo) signing in Birmingham yesterday. Even if you are not as impressed with these results as I am, you may want to see the photos linked in the Birmingham News story. (Click my name above to visit my site.) Thank you for your support.

Lidia17

7/5/2011 11:22:07 pm

Looking at the enlargement of Gryphen's scan of the 3 generations, I almost *might* believe something about it is photoshopped… The McCain * Palin on the T-shirt may or may not be; that would be easy. I'm less certain about the shelving background, although I agree with the poster above whose opinion is that the lighting is not normal interior or photographic lighting. This looks to be a shot taken outside, or at least close to a huge window. Look at how the light comes down on Keith's right shoulder. It doesn't look at all like a normal bedroom, >>but remember the red Palin house does have massive multi-story windows.<<

-------
Getting away from that, though… I'm trying to figure out what the T-shirt says and would like help from Alaskans.

It looks like the top line says "something" ALASKA, where the something is just a few characters (notice where the center of the overall graphic is, with the mountain peak. PAN ALASKA is an old ski place, now abandoned. Could say "GO ALASKA", "PRO ALASKA" or something like that; the barely-visible edge of the left-most letter looks rounded to me. One of the lines below says "__REDS", so I thought maybe "SHREDS" which is a ski/snowboard hipster-type jargon. Then you have "__AMZ" which makes me think "SLAMZ", another youth/hipster sort of phrase, but that I've mostly heard having to with music… but it could be having to do with other kinds of competition: Grand Slam, Poetry Slam. I have even seen a Hunting Slam.

"Pro Music" is an Alaskan music store, and "shredding" is also a guitar term.

"Go Pro Alaska":
Go Pro Alaska
5915 Lake Otis Parkway
Anchorage, AK 99518
Phone : (907) 563-1799
Product & Services:
All Terrain & Off Road Vehicles
Motorcycle Equipment & Parts
Motorcycles & Motor Scooters Parts & Accessories Whol
Recreational Vehicles Equipment Parts & Supplies Wholesale
Snowmobile Parts & Accessories-Retail

Go Pro or "GoPro" seems to have to do. also, with filming outdoor sports stuff:
http://tinyurl.com/3at35kb
http://gopro.com/
(but their graphics don't seem to match those on the t-shirt).

Still, could be a local affinity group that gets together and views the videos of their off-road adventures.

=========================

Any other ideas for
"__ ALASKA"
"__REDS"
"__AMZ"
??

Crossword-puzzle mavens?

I don't remember what folks originally made of the T-shirt over at PG and IM; haven't checked back there yet.

ANYway… none of the likely themes of the T-shirt, that I can think of, seem to have anything to do with John McCain or Sarah Palin, so that makes me think the text could well have been added in an attempt to bring an old picture "up to date".

AndyinOH

7/5/2011 11:40:55 pm

The "Trig" baby is standing like Levi stands. Blondie was picked out of Bristol's ass.

Lidia17

7/5/2011 11:49:33 pm

Another thing about the T-shirt: Mercede should still have the original of this picture. I assume the Star got it from her, since she is the one being interviewed in the article.

Maybe she agreed to let them use the picture only IF the McCain * Palin text were added to look more recent.

cuzIsaidso

7/6/2011 12:17:44 am

After calming down and regaining my sanity, I would like to offer that this is a cute picture that does not prove nor disprove any theory out there. Both or neither boy could be offspring of B & L. Neither is more closely related to Sarah than grandchild, at best. They could even be full brothers spaced 10-12 months apart.

Conscious at last!

7/6/2011 12:41:29 am

I have been looking even more closely at the first photo above as well as the recent photo of Bristol and Tripp that Floyd Orr linked to above.

I feel fairly certain that Tripp is older than 2.5 years.

SLQ

7/6/2011 12:54:13 am

Lidia17, I would add these possible words to the puzzle, because I don't see "AMZ," but either "AMA" or "ANIA":

___AMA
___ANIA

So . . . ___RAMA or ___MANIA?? Still sports related, in my opinion. I also think the very bottom left is something and then MAY, so maybe a date?

I looked all over last night on the web for something that matches, but came up empty.

Molly

7/6/2011 01:02:40 am

@Lydia17
I see AMA rather than AMZ. It might be worth considering that.

Lidia17

7/6/2011 01:11:30 am

P.S. THIS is an enlarged verson of Gryphen's scan, where you can better see the writing on the T-shirt:

http://tinyurl.com/6g8pyts

SLQ

7/6/2011 01:24:02 am

For anyone wanting to see enlarged versions of any of the photos, just hold down CTRL and the + sign on your keyboard.

lilly lily

7/6/2011 01:26:22 am

I really never paid too much attention to what people say they see in childrens faces. We all change so much as we grow older. And people have posted some pretty strange things in response to these children.

I think.. yes I do think Tripp is the image of his great grandfather Chuckie in one aspect.That weak chin is a Heath Chin.

As far as Bristol, her press is dreadful. She is called a liar with good reasons, and a hypocrite by many.

She has attracted 50 autograph seakers in Birmingham. Well, thats 50 X what is it she gets in royalties? More than she deserves. I don't think all this negative press and outpouring of disgust for her self serving book are going to make her richer.

The money will dry up, the sooner the better. I can't see that she is an asset for the Fundies even if she says she has found God.

I think she has reached the level of Octomom in negativity from the public.

Mhurka

7/6/2011 02:18:36 am

voiceinwind-I checked out Dylan's photo on facebook. He definitely has Trig's coloring-dark hair and super dark eyes. (could he be related to Levi in some way perhaps.)

Lilybart

7/6/2011 02:54:20 am

Tripp looks like Chuck and though it happens, I find it creepy.

And one of the Trigs looks like Levi to me, in the way he holds his head, an attitude...

lilly lily

7/6/2011 03:04:16 am

Has anyone measured Tripps rate of growth and developement against his peer group in age.

Seems a bit early to have skating last winter, and Tripp being taller than Trig who is almost a year younger. Any experts in what is what in these variables and the norms for children their age?

There should be a way to expose the entire charade. I don't know what it is.I'll continue to follow until she is exposed definatively.

Anyone out there have any ideas?

Bristol, Sarah and the entire cult following are almost passe. I don't think her following increases.

Through the media Sarah continues to sell her brand, (see Huffington Post who devotes an entire page to her) though the American public seems to have caught on to the scams and her publicity seeking.

Sarah will never live down the ride of Paul Revere ringing those bells..

Eventually the two Palins will become a footnote in our political history.

Can't be soon enough.

I hope Bristols book helps nail her and her mother down for their appeal as a role model for any female.

Lidia17

7/6/2011 03:04:46 am

OOPS! That link I gave earlier is wrong: seems to be the smaller size.

The higher-resolution version is here: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_d4ad6QlLNEE/ScciXVUm6qI/AAAAAAAAAJk/kv8IfY2Mz3c/s1600-h/img015.jpg

http://tinyurl.com/3o3ot6o

@SLQ, using control-+ may make the pixels larger on the screen, but it won't add definition or pixels that weren't there before.

Note that my earlier bad link had a filename ending in "s400/img015" and this one is "s1600-h/img015". I can see a definite difference between the "A" and the "Z".

Conscious at last!

7/6/2011 03:58:39 am

KISS-

Why don't we try this out:

We have been looking at 2 separate, but interacting processes--

#1---Bristol Palin has had at least two teenage pregnancies.

#2---Sarah Palin is a mentally ill, power crazed, delusional Dominionist who used her contacts with (?)Dr. L(oudon) to obtain a D.S. baby(s). She faked a pregnancy to appeal to the anti-abortion crowd in her quest for the VP nomination.

Process 1&2 may overlap or interact, but we need not always link them.

SP might have decided to kill two birds with one stone when she faked the pregnancy, but we know she'd lie about what color M&M she ate. In other words, for SP, lying is a way of life.

So, BP's habit of getting pregnant a lot would have been a political/PR problem for SP. SP might have decided to link the two issues for that reason, without necessarily actually using BP's child(ren) as the prop du jour.

Molly

7/6/2011 04:01:09 am

@Lydia. Thanks for the high resolution link. It's great.

BicPent

7/6/2011 04:02:48 am

Lidia -

Thanks for the better picture.
I can see quite clearly that is says:
"Petersville" at the bottom. Does that help any?

V ictoria link

7/6/2011 04:04:05 am

I wrote this above but people are still speculating about it.

It is not surprising that Tripp is taller than Trig. The first characteristic of Downs Syndrome kids is that they grow much more slowly and end up shorter than kids without DS.

I don't want people wasting energy wondering about Tripp's being taller than Trig, even if Trig is 8 to 12 months older.

SLQ

7/6/2011 04:06:54 am

Lidia17: Thanks for the higher res photo! I still think it's AMA or ANIA (otherwise, why is the "Z" higher than the other text).

But the higher res photo helped me see something. I think this says "Petersville Alaska" at the bottom of the design, on the right, with the logo in between that looks like a wheel.

Also, what I thought said "May" actually says AMA in block style letters (black on the red background).

Petersville Alaska exists (it's a mining town): http://www.alaska.com/2008/10/16/2385/petersville-alaska.html

Incidentally (though I think "AMA" is the end of a word), AMA is the Alaska Miners Association http://www.alaskaminers.org/

SLQ

7/6/2011 04:11:38 am

BTW, Petersville is in the Matanuska-Susitna Borough (it is not officially a town, but definitely recognized as a place.)

SLQ

7/6/2011 04:17:11 am

Oh, another interesting note I just discovered: Safari Lake (where the Palins own cottages) is near Petersville, AK.

SLQ

7/6/2011 04:18:35 am

* Palin's favorite family vacation spot: "The middle of nowhere at our cabin in Petersville," Alaska.

http://travel.usatoday.com/hotels/post/2010/01/foxs-bill-oreilly-talks-travel-with-sarah-palin-says-no-hotel-will-take-my-reservation/16196/1

SLQ

7/6/2011 04:34:17 am

Sorry for the multiple posts, but I wanted to clarify. I think the t-shirt says
___ ALASKA (black block type on red jagged edge background)
__AMA (red all caps script type on black shirt background)
__REDS (white all caps script type on black shirt background)
__AMA (black block letters on red jagged edge background)
Petersville (wheel logo) Alaska (white smaller all caps type)

Is anyone from Alaska able to decipher this further with that info? I do think it's unlikely such a t-shirt would also have "McCain Palin".

Ron

7/6/2011 04:35:12 am

There was discussion of the t-shirt at IM long ago:
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2009/04/rachel-maddows-take-on-levi.html

The shirt likely says "Our Alaska Mama Shreds Obama" and "Petersville, Alaska"

It looks like some sort of snowmobile ("machine" LOL)/motorcycle/ATV theme.

mmud

7/6/2011 04:39:11 am

I think the t-shirt says ((question marks) = missing words):

McCain * Palin (?)

(picture of Denali + ?? snowmobile or skier or ???)

(??) ALASKA
MAMA
SHREDS
OBAMA

(?) Petersville * ALASKA

FrostyAK

7/6/2011 04:59:39 am

Thanks form the higher res tee shirt pic.

I still see that the MC+$P is stuck on, or photoshopped. Easily discernible is ALASKA, and under it AMA. IMO, the AMA is YAMAHA, the Y is partially in the photo.

Your eyes are a WHOLE lot better than mine if you can see Petersville, but I'm sure you are probably right.

Once again, it seems to be an advertising tee shirt. I don't have a phone book from 2006 to 2008. Currently there is Alaska House of Yamaha in Big Lake, just north of Wasilla.

If it was a campaign shirt, there would be no other advertising on it. That alone tells me it is part of the charade.

Katie Taylor

7/6/2011 07:45:29 am

After reading most of the material available on the internet on the Babygate matter my theory is that Trigg was in fact born in Anchorage earlier than 4/18 (perhaps prematurely) to someone other than Sarah Palin (probably Bristol) and subsequently transferred to Matsu hospital after being stabilized on or about 4/18. Here he was presented to the public on 4/18 as just having been born. This scenario explains a number of things including:
1) Sarah's slip up in at least one speech on where he was born (Anchorage vs Matsu)
2. Matsu never issued notice of the birth because he wasn't born there
3) Pictures of everyone in the family at Matsu on 4/18 or 4/19 EXCEPT Sarah who would have needed to be shown in a hospital bed
4) Bailey's statement that Bristol couldn't be the mother because he saw her in jeans at Matsu on 4/18
5) Trig's quick discharge from Matsu and Sarah's decision to take him to her office a few days later via car. A ride that would have been more painful for a sore Sarah than Trig I presume.
5) Sarah's wild ride saga from Texas which we all agree could not have happened as stated if she were pregnant without someone noticing her girth. She was merely rushing back so the plan for Trig's introduction to the world could be completed. Sarah is an idiot but even she wouldn't risk her health and that of a baby after beginning the initial phases of the labor process in Texas but decide to return to Wasilla.

I became interested in the Babygate scandal because of Andrew Sullivan's writing on the subject. I'm a flaming liberal but Andrew is my favorite blogger and if he was convinced that Sarah had pulled off a hoax that was good enough for me but as they say "trust but verify". After my research I agree that a hoax was pulled over the American people's eyes.

I would certainly be interested in getting your and your readers thoughts on my theory. I should also send my theory to Andrew to get his impressions.

Jeanette

7/6/2011 09:25:18 am

@Who Knows? Thanks for that link which proves that the 3 generation picture was taken in the Palins living room. Another part that shows the heart over the TV is at 5:17. That should put to rest where the picture was taken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-95wkCMeUkk&feature=player_embedded#at=187

ginny11

7/6/2011 09:51:32 am

I think Ron and mmud are right: it makes sense. Probably a locally-designed Pro-McCain/Palin t-shirt made to appeal to the Alaskans of the immediate area. While I understand why everyone thinks Levi looks younger than he did in Fall of 08 here, I also know I've seen old pictures of myself, taking within moments of one-another, where a change in my position, facial expression, and angle of the camera shot makes me almost look like a different person!
In various pictures, my brother has seemed to be the spitting image of our paternal grandfather (as a preschooler), our maternal grandfather (young adult) maternal-maternal great-grandfather (teenager), and our father. None of these men look anything alike! Yet, the right age, lighting, camera angle can capture that brief moment of uncanny resemblence.
I think what the picture aboves shows is that Tripp and Trig both definitely have Heath heritage, but express it in very different characteristics (Sarah vs. Chuck). I don't think we can determine anything else beyond that. But if Tripp is Bristol's (and I think he is) then his blue eye gene from Bristol has to be from the Palin side (Todd). Because Bristol has brown eyes, she had to have gotten her brown eye gene from Sarah because Todd would have had only had blue genes to pass on.

diz

7/6/2011 11:37:50 am

I clicked on the link provided by Fred Orr and watched the video of Mrs P being interviewed in Juneau. He did point out the more obvious signs that she is not 7+ months preggers but I also noticed another tell. After, the 'hike' she and the interviewer enter the Capitol office bldg and as he holds the door look very carefully at the back of her jacket. One can almost make out something squarish outlined up around her shoulders. Although she wasn't wearing the complete empathy suit, she was wearing something to provide her a bit of bulk which can be detected in the frontal shots. She doesn't look pregnant, she just looks thick thru the mid-section. + Thx to Orr for the link.

Allie

7/6/2011 01:06:44 pm

Katie, I think your theory has possibilities.

The part that doesn't really fit is why would the baby have been transferred from Anchorage to Mat-Su? He could have been discharged from the Anchorage hospital.

Katie Taylor

7/6/2011 01:50:52 pm

Allie, I think if Trig was born prematurely and needed services available in a NICU I could see him staying in a facility with at least a Level 3 pediatric ward and then moved to the local Wasilla hospital when his condition improved to a point where he no longer needed that level of care but was not yet ready to be discharged. In most cases a baby in this situation would be moved to a lower level unit in the same hospital but the infant could also be moved to another hospital closer to the family's home especially if the family requested it. I experienced this with one of my granddaughters who was in a tertiary facility with access to high level sub specialists then transferred back to the hospital close to home once her condition improved. Granted she wasn't a newborn. This was the only theory I could come up with given that I believe Bailey when he says he saw everyone the family (except Sarah) at Matsu (with Bristol in jeans) on the 4/18 date. One final point that supports my version of events is I would bet big money that Sarah would NOT pass up an opportunity of having a picture taken with her new DS son in her arms in her hospital bed. This picture, if it existed would be a fund raising bonanza for Sarah. The Palin bots would take out loans if they needed to so they could write big checks to her.

Ferry Fey

7/6/2011 02:47:13 pm

Yamaha do both snowmobiles and motorcycles. Racing tee of some sort?

I was just looking at Greta interviewing Bristol and meeting Tripp when Sarah butts in, caught a weird thing.

Sarah's riffing on all the family support, "5 generations." Sarah counts them out, with presumably Bristol and Sarah being generations 1 and 2: "Grandma, great-grandma, great-great grandma. So even Chuck or Sally's great-grandmas (or Todd's equiv) get pressed into service babysitting for Bristol so she can go dance the hootchy kootchy on TV? They must be like a gazillion years old, or australopithecus or something.

Allie

7/7/2011 01:35:56 am

Katie, was your granddaughter transferred back to the newborn nursery? I would guess no and I don't think Trig would have been either because of the issue of bringing the Anchorage germs into the Mat-Su newborn nursery. More likely, the baby would be transferred to a separate nursery space, which Mat-Su probably doesn't have or to a pediatric unit, if it has one. What doesn't make sense to me then is how everybody ended up in a postpartum room for pictures. It must have been staged.

Katie Taylor

7/8/2011 03:44:57 am

Allie, my granddaugther was not a newborn but a toddler. My point was that a transfer could have happen. Matsu does have a peds ward since they admit maternity cases. I do not believe the pictures in the hospital were staged. That would require too many hospital staff turning a blind eye. The transfer idea makes more sense to me. It gets them into the hospital without having to stage the event which carried too many risks for discovery. I also believe I have read that one of the blankets used by Trig in the pictures was a standard one used at Matsu but there were 2 blankets visible. (possible one from the other hospital) Now of course they could have brought that in the Matsu issued blanket but I don't think so. Also too, I don't think they would have invited Bailey to a staged event. I promise never to use Palin's "also too" again but I simply couldn't resist. My English prof father is no doubt rolling over in his grave with my use of such mangled English.

Cyndiak

7/9/2011 08:31:50 am

My first gut feeling was the picture with Tripp and Trigg was photoshopped somehow. Then the more I looked at it, I thought no, it wasn't.

I came back today and looked at it again and can't get over how much Trigg looks like Sarah. Then it dawned on me, yes, it was photoshopped and Brisdull put it up on her public FB page per the request of her mom to try and quell the baby gate theory. In the past, my first gut reaction is usually right on, and I really believe this is what is going on here.

The other pictures of Trig show a more prominently Down syndrome child.

This picture was definitely photoshopped. It is all part of the bizarreness of this family.

Ada

7/10/2011 12:38:23 am

I always thought Trig's mother was Molly. Read somewhere that Molly had been mad at Sarah for sleeping with her first husband. Thought Molly was the mother and Todd was the father therefore, Sarah had to adopt the baby to keep a scandal from brewing. Todd was much more involved in Troopergate than most brother-in-laws would have been.

Tina

7/11/2011 01:53:36 pm

I have been following this story for a long time(started back with Audrey's blog) and I like Prof. Scharlott's theories a lot. However, Gryphen says Bristol is not Trig's mom, and I'm pretty sure he knows what he is talking about. I think if Sarah "fessed up" to the McCain crew about the fake pregnancy she lied and said she was covering for Bristol, because that was the only explanation she could possibly give them and hope to remain on the ticket. Anything else and they would have kicked her to the curb. Whatever the true story, it is much uglier than that.

Tina

7/11/2011 02:01:11 pm

One more thing -- why does Levi look so much younger in the pictures with his Dad and Tripp than the RNC pictures which were earlier?

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