Live Free Or Die

9/6/2011

I grew up in Massachusetts not far from the New Hampshire border, and I visited the granite state fairly often. The waves were better up there than on our local beach. A few of our favorite ski resorts were not too far a drive (nor was the Kangamangus Highway, if you catch my drift.) And the "packies" (Package Stores) were open on Sunday for those (high school boys) who wanted to buy booze and not pay tax.

As a dyed in the wool New Englander (until I learned to see the light out here) I understand how crusty folks "back home" can be. New Englanders are no nonsense patriots. And rightly so, otherwise they'd freeze to death in the winter and fall for flaky political candidates who just want to litter the land with sloppy slogans and used running shoes.

So, it was with great delight that I read THIS ARTICLE that displayed evidence of mounting frustration at Mrs. Todd Palin for waltzing into town to shriek a whole lot of nothin':

"Once again it is time to determine-- are you here to sell books or are you here to run for president of the United States?" asked Corey Lewandowski, state director for Americans for Prosperity, a tea party ally. "The people of New Hampshire deserve to know, are you serious? And if you are serious, then welcome to the race. And if you're not serious, get out of the way because we're going to elect a new president."

Thank you, Mr. Lewandowski for that heart-felt smack upside the head (she is there to sell books, BTW.) It is sooooo refreshing to finally see someone stand up to this shrill shill.

Problem is, not everyone in New Hampshire is as fed up as Mr. Lewandowski. Take these folks taking part in a bit of online sparring at the Manchester Union Leader:

DUNCAN LEARY said:

If Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann faced off in a brain teaser contest which one would you bet the farm on to win?
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August 31, 2011 2:31 pmAllan Trombley said:

Gee Duncan that would be a tough one, They both graduated very high in their class from very good colleges with very good degrees? I would definitely bet the farm on them against you, and both are more qualified and intelligent than the present inhabitant of the White House.
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August 31, 2011 2:45 pm

I suppose one could always argue that the folks reading the UL are local yokels who might not be quite as in tune to Mrs. Palin's politics in Alaska. Or the difference between her alleged academic credentials and those of President Obama. Except, further down in the comments, I was fortunate enough to stumble upon this, ah, essay. It's worth reading because it shows how differently someone from Alaska can view Mrs. Palin, compared to me who is from Massachusetts via New York City via San Francisco with stops in London and Leningrad (and the Kangamangus Highway) in between. Perhaps we could make the argument that the commenter knows a lot more than I do about his former half-term governor. Or we could argue that no matter what we investigate or turn up or decide about the mysterious runner in Iowa, some folks from Alaska to Manchest-ah will always believe in Mrs. Todd Palin. Take a look and let's discuss:

Bob Paulding said:

You know its kinda funny. Everytime I see something about Sarah Palin in the UL, all these critics come out of the woodwork. I never see any substance to there criticism. The closest thing I ever see is the remark about quitting. Never why? I generally identify with ones accomplishments. Before moving back to my native NH 3 years ago, my wife and I had lived in Alaska for 12.5 years. There we saw a younger and energetic mayor of a small AK town. She helped to transform that town into a bustling little community. Yes the town with her approval hired a government lobbied who in turn steered a lot of grant money for use on road improvements and infrastructure. After creating a busisness friendly environment, many business from Anchorage expanded to Wasilla. Business tax revenue started to flood into the town treasury. What she did next puzzled many. Instead of spending the new revenue, she and the town council cut the individual property tax rate by 3/4. The only tax that I know of that was imposed or raised was a .5 percent sales tax on the already existing 2% sales tax. Go figure, a politician who wasn't anxious about spending others money.
Quitting could be referred to her governors position or when she was the oil and gas commissioner. After serving her terms as mayor, then governor Murkowski appointed her as oil and gas commissioner. The same governor also appointed the state's republican party head (Randy Reudrich), to also serve on the same commission. While serving in her new position, she witnessed Mr Reudrich on occasion doing party business on state property and using state resources. I can't tell you how much a big no-no that is. After multiple complaints to the attorney general then gov Murkowski himself, no one did anything. The gov was buddies with Reudrich. Feeling frustrated, she resigned. (High Ethics) http://juneauempire.com/stories/011804/sta_palin.shtml
As governor she was frequently sued by virtual nobody's. Many of these suits were dismissed as frivilous and baseless. A large part of these were later discovered to be partisanship driven. She had to frequently leave the state capital to address these issues. About the time she had decided to resign as governor, she and her family had paid almost $500,000 in legal fees. Also state resources had to be constantly used for retrieving documents, giving statements, etc. Alaska state law doesn't protect certain elected officials from being sued and no state monies can be used for defense purposes. So many there were rather upset that she resigned but these largely democrat driven lawsuits were causing her to become an inefficient governor. That said, what many there won't say is they're glad she did as these suits were delaying various government actions in the capital and tying up some of the state's resources. This whole thing was no fault of hers and I don't know many if any politicians that would fall on their swords and give up the state benefits from that position in order to better serve the people of Alaska.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1642957/sarah_palin_defending_many_lawsuits.html?cat=17
So after reading so many strange, sometimes weird and uninformed comments about the former governor, I thought maybe, just maybe, a former Alaskan should inform some of you as many seems to be getting their information by watching either Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz or Cris Mathews. I can't tell you how wrong that is!!! Hope this helps some.
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lilly lily

9/6/2011 08:37:13

To me she blatters, she makes little sense.

To others? The opposite, but then I stopped listening.

Her sign off on being the lame duck Governor was enough to know she would never make any sense to me.

She said she didn't want to be like others and milk the system. Then she proceeded to do just that. MILK the system shamelessly.

Tom link

9/6/2011 08:46:24

Mr. Paulding may have lived here for 12.5 years but he wasn't paying attention.

Palin's against Federal aid but she hires someone to get Federal aid. Under her watch AKers received $5,000 more per person in Federal aid than the rest of the country, but she's against Federal aid. She approved 97% of the Stimulus Bill monies, but she's against Federal aid. The point is, like everyhting else in her life, she's against it unless it elevates her in some way.

Wasilla was $1m or so in debt when she took over. She left the town with a $22M debt. But she's a fiscal conservative.

I don't want to go on explaining why Mr. Paulding is wrong, deluded even. Malia has a post detailing her fiscal hypocrisies. All I do is get annoyed by the Bob Pauldings of the world.

V-A

9/6/2011 08:52:55

Which founding father was it that despaired of democracy ever working because of the stupidity of the general population?

Palinoia

9/6/2011 08:58:42

Kool-Aid drinkers preaching Sarah's self narrative. Not sure how one ever breaks through that except by official "deprogamming", especially when there is so much evidence that points to a completely opposite reality.

Laura - you commented on AFT last thread and wanting a commenter to contact you. Not sure if you meant me - I did the post re: Trig's unpaid medical bills / AFT connection. Did you want me to contact you, or were you referring to another commenter/comment?

Thanks!

OzMud link

9/6/2011 09:03:01

@V-A

I'm not sure but my guess is if any of our founding fathers had actually met Sarah the answer would have been 'all of 'em'!

Laura Novak link

9/6/2011 09:08:22

Palinoia: YES! I knew as soon as I saw your name I would remember that it is you. Can you reach me at LaNovakAuthor@yahoo so we can talk about it further? You had some good ideas.

OZMud, GREAT post by you and linked by Gryphen on the race from/to nowhere while wearing lots of makeup.

And V-A: if any/all of the founding fathers thought that folks were dumb back then, imagine if they could have watch the Real Housewives of New Jersey?

V-A

9/6/2011 09:20:34

@OzMud! You made me laugh out loud. Thank you. Sometimes I get a little too depressed over this stuff.

Mr. Paulding had me at "bustling little community," [Wasilla] and then I tumbled headlong into the abyss.

ginny11

9/6/2011 09:46:10

Good gods, I don't even know where to begin with someone like this Paulding guy. Partisan driven ethics charges? Most were filed by life-long Republican watchdogs like Andree McLeod and others who FORMERLY supported Palin! Till they saw how unethical she really was herself, after all the big talk about Ruedrich. And, she was the one who CREATED the Wasilla sales tax, to begin with! Then raised it! Left the city millions in debt! Caused a lawsuit to be brought against the city over the land improperly used to build the sports center! Yeah, she made the town business-friendly...only from what I've heard, it's not the pretty town it used to be anymore, thanks to Palin pretty much gutting most laws and ordinances for zoning and needs for permits to build, etc.
Good grief! You can't fix stupid. These people WANT to love Palin, and they won't let the facts get in the way!

grammy97

9/6/2011 09:56:10

Laura, I'm too old to keep trying to be tactful about these people. "Bob Paulding" is not a human being. It's another fake name, used by paid apologists. Their primary purpose is to create just a little sliver of doubt in our minds: "Is it really possible that we have mis-judged $arah Palin?"

They give themselves away with poor spelling, and a set of catch phrases. There's an endless stream of the names on Palingates, posting from Brooklyn. Dreary.

FrostyAK

9/6/2011 10:20:08

@ ginny - $P was on the city council when the sales tax was initiated in Wasilla. As mayor she did not let the sunset provision kick in, but instead raised it.

Property taxes were raised on individuals and lowered for businesses in Wasilla. THAT is what she calls lowering the taxes.

I agree with grammy97. Her PAC pays out 10's of thousands per month for clerical and consulting. Does anyone really believe that Ms Retribution would not have those people prowling all the media in the places she appears to 'refudiate' any negative commentary?

Palinoia

9/6/2011 10:44:58

Laura, sent you an email.

I find myself increasingly wishing we had a limited 90 day election cycle, from announcement to election day. I don't need any more time than that to make an informed decision. I had SP nailed as "I could NEVER vote for her" within 10 minutes of her RNC speech, before I found out all the other stuff about her.

Another 14 months of political babble might drive me batty, especially coming from the oh-so-not-electable-Republicans currently in the mix . God help us all.

ginny11

9/6/2011 11:17:07

Thanks, FrostyAK, I knew she was in office when the tax began, I didn't realize she was still on city council then. But if I remember right, she supported and voted for the tax, didn't she?
grammy97, I think you are right: we already know that SP wrote or had her staff write fake letters to the editor praising and supporting herself, when she was governor. No reason to believe she hasn't continued to operate this way.

mary

9/6/2011 11:19:27

It's pretty clear, from reading Mr. Paulding's comment, that he does not.... ahem.... value education.

physicsmom

9/6/2011 11:28:17

Mr. Paulding's comments are so full of lies, it's difficult to rebut them all. Either he has completely succumbed to the Kool-Aid, or he is a paid bot as suggested above. I really don't want to waste any more time on him.

myrna nichols

9/6/2011 11:28:18

I don't live in Alaska, and I didn't pay any attention to Alaska politics until Sarah Palin was chosen to be John McCain's VP nominee. But, I can smell a rat all the way down here in the lower 48.

Palin abused her power as governor in trying to get her brother-in-law, Wooten, fired. Her husband had a table and a phone in her office, where he made intimidating phone calls (which were recorded, so evidence exists). Todd was cc'd on government emails even though he was not a government official. There was something rotten in the State of Alaska.

Palin was found guilty of charging the state for her children's travel expenses. She should not have charged a per diem to stay in her own house when she belonged in Juneau, staying in the house that the state provides for the governor. If her family was an issue, she should have done what many senators, congressmen and other governors do, stay in the state capitol for business and return home for an occasional weekend. If that didn't suit her family life style, she shouldn't have applied for the job in the first place. If one is sensitive to noise, one does not look for a job at the airport.

Another violation was using her office as governor to solicit donations to her legal defense fund. The state had a procedure to defend the governor against ethics violations. Palin chose to hire her own private lawyer. That was her personal expense. The donations relieved her of that expense. Those donations were gifts, hundreds of thousands of dollars of gifts, more than the governor was allowed to accept while in office. (A gift means that Palin didn't have to pay her own legal expenses. Someone paid them for her. That's the gift part.)

If I'm not mistaken, Palin left her job on the energy commission to run for governor. If she was indignant over some unethical proceedings, she had a strange way of showing it. As mayor, she left Wasilla millions of dollars in debt. She failed to secure the rights to the land before building that expensive sports complex. In the end, she had to hire a city manager to run a small town. My kid's high school has a population of 5,000, the same as little Wasilla when Palin was the mayor, a job as important in executive experience as our high school principal.

I suggest that Palin announce her candidacy for President as soon as possible so she can be asked why she quit her job as governor. That's hardly a good qualification for higher office. If things get tough in that tougher job, we can assume that Palin would quit again.

Tom link

9/6/2011 11:37:18

FrostyAK

9/6/2011 11:37:26

@ginny - During her run for Gov I tried to find out from City Hall exactly what her city voting record was. I was told that info was not available.

At that time I had been under the impression that she was mayor when the sales tax was implemented. The most they could tell me was the date of the tax implementation and the date she became mayor. They did not coincide.

We must remember who controls this town, and now the borough (Talibangelical mayor of borough), and most of the state of AK. Is there any chance of full truth from the local governments?

Tom link

9/6/2011 11:42:07

@MyrnaNichols

Sarah Palin? You mean GINO? How about the 'Where's Sarah buttons that were passed around in Juneau.

From Politico 9/23/08:

"The Washington Post recently reported that, in her first 19 months as governor, Palin billed the state of Alaska per diem charges for 312 days she spent at her home in Wasilla. Palin’s staff has explained that it was appropriate to bill the state for expenses related to Palin staying in her own house because her “official duty station” was at the state capital of Juneau, where the governor’s official office and mansion are located. But that argument raises a different question: How much time did that leave for her to spend at her “official duty station”?"

Nineteen months totals 578 days, but after subtracting weekends and holidays, it is only about 397 workdays. Assuming Palin did not routinely bill the state for staying in her own home on weekends and holidays, she would have spent no more than 85 workdays in the state capital over the course of her 19 months in office, even if she traveled nowhere else in Alaska or outside of the state. That compares with 168 days that the Alaska Legislature was in session during the same period."

V ictoria link

9/6/2011 13:58:10

I don't think SP will run. If so she will have to give up her lucrative position at FOX.

Furthermore, she would have to answer questions. Even if she avoids the lamestream media, how would she avoid debates?

I am rather down. I just watched Oliver Stone's W, and although it's a reasonably good movie, the whole thing is depressing. Too many people who don't base their decisions on reality. And too many enablers (Rice, Powell, and even Laura Bush).

TksABunchJohn

9/6/2011 14:34:33

My guess? Paulding may have lived in Alaska at one time, or (my guess) it is an elaborate troll with a "The Undefeated" paste-and-copy synopsis. Lou Sarah's getting wordy (and desperate) these days.

Allie

9/6/2011 18:53:48

Yeah, V ictoria was an appalling movie. That whole administration is a blight on our national honor IMO. Just another reason why there should be no Dick Perry administration or any other "apostle." Also, my opinion.

On the lighter side, I found this funny. The link was posted at IM. Apparently, "September 06, 2011: MediaTakeOut.com just received a BLOCKBUSTER piece of information. According to a TOP INDUSTRY INSIDER, the word BEHIND THE SCENES at the VMAs was that Beyonce was wearing a PROSTHETIC BELLY.
Our insider claims that Beyonce IS IN FACT pregnant. But that she is NOT in her second trimester - she's only a little more than 8 WEEKS pregnant. Tells the insider, "She wanted the announcement to be dramatic, so she made sure she had a baby bump." (emphasis in original)

There are comments all over the map, but here a few of my faves:

I doubt that Beyonce would wear a fake belly!!! You can go from a flat tummy to a big bump in a matter of weeks when you are Pregnant!!!!!

With a lot of women the baby bump just appears one day.

Sorry to keep posting but keep in mind she's in great shape and working out.

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Sound familiar? Here's the link.

http://cdn.mediatakeout.com/50941/mto-world-exclusive-beyonce-faked-it-she-used-a-prosthetic-baby-bump-at-the-mtv-awards-and-we-got-photographic-evidence.html

Allie

9/6/2011 18:55:53

ooops, V ictoria, "W." was....
Sorry 'bout that.

Allie

9/6/2011 18:59:26

@ V-A, I think that you're referring to Thomas Jefferson. I think he was the one who worried about mob mentality.

Heidi3

9/6/2011 19:10:42

Hi all - I don't mean to hijack Laura's new thread here, but fyi, I added another thought about the Paxson-McCain-Palin-Trig connection to Laura's 'Run Mama Run' post of yesterday. The pieces are coming together :-)

search4more

9/6/2011 22:28:24

Does anyone know if there are any pictures of Palin at the Judge Tom Stewart memorial from the 5th April 2008 held at the Juneau Centennial Hall Ballroom?

...Also during the height of the investigation did someone try and get footage for the interviews with Palin in April 2008. KTUU interviewed her twice between 1st and the 8th April 2008, and 360 North covered the Stewart memorial service she was at. I presume people tried to get this stuff and it turned into a dead end. Am I right?

Lidia17

9/6/2011 22:32:59

a.) People who read the Manchester Union-Leader are by default ripe for any low-tax high "growth" (sprawl) message.

b.) Laura, that comment by Mr. Paulding is chock full of lies, nothing he says is original, it's just the same old talking points: ethics charges were all frivolous (they weren't); she wasn't able to use state money for her defense (yes she was); "largely democrat driven lawsuits" (complaints were mounted mostly by Republicans), etc., etc., etc.

As for "a politician who wasn't anxious about spending others money," this guy must be living in a cave.

Lidia17

9/6/2011 22:40:46

Oh, as to a.), above… the Union Leader is just about THE most conservative paper in the whole country, published by and for "rock-ribbed" Republicans. It's an ancient institution in N.H.

And no stranger to being a conduit for lies and dirty political tricks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canuck_letter

The highway is Kancamagus. We used to vacation up there, too, in the summers. We'd buy Quoddy moccasins and little pine incense burners as souvenirs. :-)

DebinOH

9/6/2011 23:10:06

Wasn't SP herself found guilty for using the mayor's office (time, supplies, computers, etc.) to run for another office?

I suspect there are VERY different reasons for her stepping down on the O&G position.

Sorry, Mr. Paulding but there is far more evidence that she was bad for Alaska and bad for America. Just stating those things without back-up evidence does not make me believe you.

I think the thing that is most shocking to me is that MR. Palin attended so many things with her, was cc'd on government issues and was using the office to harass people. How weird was that? I would have to think that this was something pretty much unheard of?

I can't even imagine my mayor bringing her husband to meetings, etc. I think there was way more to this picture & am not sure that the AIP wasn't really running things. Maybe not but it seems that way. Either that or she was so out of her league (duh!) that she had to have someone to help her out. Pathetic whatever the reason.

V-A

9/7/2011 00:10:20

Hey, some good stuff I missed on the Can't Touch That post, but Heidi I couldn't find yours. Will you paste it here?

I didn't follow the Anon238 details about the wild ride-- other than her info that Chuck had a big mouth and blabbed stuff that Palin hadn't intended. That totally jived with what I had imagined. That he had never been privy to the plan-- and was just a pawn. He seems to willing to talk, so therefore not safe for schemes.

I treat Anon238 as I would an interview. YOu listen to everything in a number of different ways. Looking for what may be facts, her point of view, her connection to the action, emotional state, intention, etc. It's simply not like reading an encyclopedia entry.

I have to remember that she's not interested in cross-referencing dates, details like we are. She simply tells what she believes.

It's up to us to make use of the information as best we can, imo.

Laura Novak link

9/7/2011 01:58:17

Heidi, it's okay to move conversations to new threads. I have no problem with that.

Allie, you articulate some excellent points. Thank you!

Lidia, actually it can be spelled either way. We always called it the Kanga, and pronounced it with a G, hence my spelling, which is correct.

And I love the story about Beyonce and her bump. The push back is that the bloggers are merely pissed off b/c they didn't get the info first. LMAO on this one.

myrna nichols

9/7/2011 03:30:17

I agree with Palinoia, shorten the election period. Let's also get every last dollar out of the process. No advertising, period, like they do in England. Major networks can give each candidate 15 minutes to make a speech, which has to be quoted completely, no sound bites. Those so-called debates are nothing but rehearsed minute long sound bites. Very little is actually debated. I'm still working on the process to actually ask the candidates questions and avoid getting rehearsed, focus-group tested answers.

lilly lily

9/7/2011 04:59:39

Ditto. Myra Nichols is absolutly right. They run and rake in dollars. To the hell with lobbyists throwing money at these shills.

The debates are ridiculous.

If Palin could get good reviews when she refused to answer questions given, what point is there in debates? Nothing but talking points and lies.

Palin has been a good canary in the coal mine, pointing out how a stupid person can slide by on nothing but looks and pure moxie.

OzMud link

9/7/2011 05:05:48

Thanks Laura - it's been an adventure, that's for sure :)

@search4more - In September of 2008 there were stacks and stacks of photos of Sarah conducting govt. business and attending events at her .gov website including a section devoted to people congratulating her about Trig.

I have this crystal clear memory of having visited her governor's site one day then going back within the next few days to find nearly all the photos had vanished. Literally. The same thing happened with ADN articles about her.

Then the section for Trig vanished. Then more photos. Weird thing is (well, weird to me) once Sean Parnell took office and he became the gov, there was never a link to an archive of Sarah's site.

We used to always be able to go to a library and retrieve old information about an office or a person in office, a newspaper article of interview either through wending through microfilm or microfiche docos. But now with websites - seems they just disappear with no way to retrieve their info.

Seems a bit backwards to me...

Melly

9/7/2011 05:49:42

Regarding Anon238...is this definitely a woman? I've always thought so too but I'm not sure why.

I noticed the Undefeated listed in my Time Warner cable movies here in LA. For a very fleeting moment I was tempted, but in the next fleeting moment I thought of Meg Stapleton in the movie trailer, yammering in front of a stark white background--that was all it took for me to click past it. Plus I know I wouldn't make it all the way through, so why waste the $$. But I have a feeling this Pauling guy was fresh from a viewing.

9/7/2011 05:52:30

Floyd M. Orr link

9/7/2011 05:55:22

"I have this crystal clear memory of having visited her governor's site one day then going back within the next few days to find nearly all the photos had vanished. Literally. The same thing happened with ADN articles about her."

I remember this very clearly, too, OzMud. This is why I am so certain that the Babygate hoax is true. There is no other rational explanation.

V-A

9/7/2011 06:00:43

@Floyd, Ozmud - Is there no way to recover ghosts of those webpages? Are they truly absolutely gone? Couldn't a hacker retrieve them? God, I wish I knew one personally. I hear they love a good challenge.

lilly lily

9/7/2011 06:05:49

I love what you are doing Oz mudflats.

I want to direct people to comments on your blog, especially #40 AKshutterbug writing about Sarah Palin and running. Two very interesting stories about her and her Photo Op and lies in AK. Very, very enlightening.

a fraud and pathological liar, from day one.

Floyd M. Orr link

9/7/2011 06:08:33

V-A, I know nothing about hacking capability, but I have assumed for a long time that if those photos had been available somewhere, Patrick would have discovered them already.

myrna nichols

9/7/2011 06:33:57

My introduction to Sarah Palin was when McCain picked her to be his running mate. Within days, the story of Sarah's speech in Texas, her having labor pains and leaking amniotic fluid surfaced. Instead of heading to the nearest ER (as 99.99% of doctors would advise) Sarah gave her speech and traveled 12 hours by plane with a stopover, then an hour by car to deliver a premature child with special need in a small town hospital with no neonatal ward. It just didn't make sense.

It also didn't make sense to a woman named Audrey, who claimed to be a lactation consultant. Audrey's blog, Palin's Deceptions, noted early that Anchorage Daily News articles about their photogenic governor had the photos scrubbed from the on-line articles. Blank spaces appeared in Google Images, "photo no longer available." People, searched for pictures taken of Palin during in early 2008, and found that Alaska government sites had also been scrubbed. Sarah was had photos in the papers on a daily basis, and they vanished from the on-line digital resources. It is no small coincidence that the Johnston family reported that McCain people scrubbed their computers. A McCain staffer answered their door, pretending to be a family friend.

Readers at Palins Deceptions found some photos through other sources. They also saved Bristol's messages from 2007 My Space, where Bristol wrote that Sarah suspected her daughter of being pregnant. The My Space posts may have been wiped from some places, but other kids still had them, and an alert parent or relative copied them. I think that is how they found the "Triggy Bear" pictures that Mercede Johnston had proudly posted of her "best baby brother ever." (Sarah was called "Mommy-in-law").

This won't have been the first time that campaign people wiped a candidate's record clean. In a little know book about George W. Bush, the author described how GWB, running for governor in Texas, had a very damaging episode in his driving history, getting into an auto accident in Texas. The police searched the car and found drugs. The sentence was 6 months of community service. When Bush ran for governor, Bush's lawyer, Alberto Gonzalez, suggested that GWB let his drivers license lapse. Then, after a decent amount of time, he reapplied for a new license, and was given a new number. When the usual background check was done, GWB supplied the new number. No one ever knew about the old number that had the accident attached to it.
So, could McCain's staff have wiped Sarah's photographs from the internet? As Sarah would say, You Betcha!

(Footnote: I wrote that 99.99% of doctors would tell a woman in labor, leaking amniotic fluid to head to the nearest Emergency Room. I left 1% out to account for Sarah's doctor, who was supposed to have gotten a call from Palin at 4 AM, Texas Time. That doctor is supposed to have said that it was no problem for a woman in her 40's, expecting a child with special needs, in labor, leaking to just give that speech.)

jcinco

9/7/2011 07:36:39

If only Lizbeth Salander, girl with the dragon tatoo, were a real person. She would make short work of ending her heinous' reign of terror with her excellent hacking skills. :)

Smirnonn

9/7/2011 07:38:38

@OzMud, Floyd M. Orr, V-A, myrna nichols, et al.,

I called an amazingly brilliant friend who works in IT/programming/web development/networking. He says that there's a good possibility that an archive of the website(s) or pages in question is out there somewhere. According to him, there's (tip of the iceberg) sites that search archived web sites like this one:

http://www.searchengineshowdown.com/others/archive.shtml

He says that because of how information propagates throughout the internet and how it's sometimes archived that it's extremely difficult to completely scrub anything that gets published online (a cautionary lesson to all of us, I guess).

I just called him again and asked him if I could coerce him with a bunch of Heinekken and some Hawaiian pizza to come over and do some sleuthing with me. He's game. I'll let you know if we find anything juicy!!!

Laura Novak link

9/7/2011 07:48:16

Smirnonn, I might throw in a BBQ chicken pizza and a slice of chocolate cake for dessert and put him to work. Sounds like a plan. And an excellent one at that.

Hats off to those of you who have studied the Paxon connection so thoroughly. These theories, any of 'em, all of 'em, make perfect sense. We can surmise safely now that this dingbat did not work in a vacuum. That she was not plucked from obscurity, or done so with no good reason.

And for those of you who were debating the Wild Ride and the press release on the earlier thread, I say this: no matter who is right now or who was responsible then, I say that to highlight such frontier foolishness was a grave mistake. Perhaps the traveling while in labor ( amniotic fluid aside) seemed like a great thing to brag about at the time, but it only made the story worse in EVERYONE's minds, as Myra so eloquently highlights above.

lilly lily

9/7/2011 07:50:53

Give him some virtual hugs too.

He might find it as enthralling as we have.

Part of the fun of the chase has been how difficult they made it for us. It became a challenge of us against them.

I haven't archived anything but every now and then I stumbled on something that made me go aha and search some more.

Better than fox hunting or chasing rabbits with basset hounds, though not as much exercise.

A royal game.

Smirnonn

9/7/2011 08:03:05

@Laura Novak

I think I had him at the word "Heinekken" but the BBQ chicken pizza and chocolate cake couldn't hurt :) If we start finding some leads we may need to spend some time researching on a stationary bike :) Honestly, I couldn't imagine a better accomplice for this adventure. This guy makes me feel like a doofus and I have a pretty high I.Q.!

@lilly lilly,

I'll forward the hugs. I've emailed him links to some of my favorite blogs (including Laura's) and he's already expressed some interest, especially in the anon 2:38 postings. I guess there's an Encyclopedia Brown in all of us...... :)

V-A

9/7/2011 08:10:34

@Smirnonn - Love the Encyclopedia Brown reference. My daughter devoured those books. For women in my generation, it's Nancy Drew (which makes me love it when NancyDrewed makes comments.) And I know Floyd Orr channels some mean Colombo.

What fun! Who knows what you might find!

Tom link

9/7/2011 08:33:27

Getting a little tired of the Nancy Drew references. First came the Hardy Boys, Frank and Joe. Drew and the Hardys were created the same guy, Stratemyer or something like that.

Heidi3

9/7/2011 08:50:29

V-A, the comments about the Paxson-McCain-Palin-Trig connection are towards the second half of comments on Laura's "Run Mama Run" post. Good stuff, and definitely worthy of a closer look!

What I brought to the table was how Franklin Graham, with his Samaritan's Purse compound in Alaska, complete with airstrip, might possibly have played a part in the 'delivery' of the Trig we see now. Graham was very much involved with 'leaning on' McCain about the VP pick being Sarah; I included a link in my comment.

Laura, thanks for letting me know it's ok with you if we bring topics over to a newer post.

Tom link

9/7/2011 09:00:54

No love for the Hardy Boys I see. Laura?

LTA

9/7/2011 09:02:56

On the beyonce thing, I heard those rumors too, that she is pregnant but donned a fake bump for drama's sake. I have always thought she was a genuinely hardworking and down to earth person so I hoped it wasn't true. Imagine my delight to see her on half a dozen blogs and news sites today, in a bikini! And if she's only 8 weeks gone, then Sarah Palin really did birth Trig! (meaning, beyonce is ha-yuge already, and looking like an absolute Goddess)

V-A

9/7/2011 09:11:06

@Heidi3 - Thanks. Interesting comment about Franklin Graham et al. Do you think there's any chance that these guys have dumped Palin? I mean, that she even got too strange for them? Or they caught on to her conning ways?

search4more

9/7/2011 09:20:41

The Way back Machine tells me that the webmaster of the gov.alaska.gov in June 2008 had the email address:

andy_mills@gov.state.ak.us

So Andy Mills is a man potentially with some pictures or knowledge.

ginny11

9/7/2011 09:34:36

Victoria said: "I am rather down. I just watched Oliver Stone's W, and although it's a reasonably good movie, the whole thing is depressing. Too many people who don't base their decisions on reality. And too many enablers (Rice, Powell, and even Laura Bush)."
Yep. It's really depressing. And even more depressing to me that recently, via the Joe/Jeanne kerfluffle, I am now crystal clear on the fact that "our side" is not immune to this sort of cognitive dissonce, this ignoring or dismissing of inconvenient facts that conflict with one's belief/worldview or affection for someone. It's left me amazed that anything good gets accomplished at all in this country. It makes me even more empathetic to Obama's situation re: dealing with obstructionist GOP and unrealistic lefties.

Laura Novak link

9/7/2011 09:38:31

Heidi, always allowed to continue over. Not a problem.

Tom, Weebly throws random comments into moderation including my own sometimes. Yours landed there. It's approved now. Something I cannot do on the road when I am driving.

Smirnonn

9/7/2011 09:42:55

Just a quick note before I leave for dinner (Laura's BBQ chicken pizza recommendation struck a nerve with my kids - my son said "make it so, #1" when I mentioned the pizza. I'm such a proud geek-dad :)

I just got off the phone with my buddy (let's call him "Marty") again. We did a bit of brainstorming to figure out the easiest way to get our grubby mitts on the supposed missing/deleted images from the http://gov.state.ak.us/ site and I had an idea that he thought might work.

When a browser visits a website the site is cached. The site's images, logos, and other graphic data are stored locally on the computer that was used to visit the site (depending on cache size and duration settings) - which makes return visits to the site load quicker. Unless the cache is emptied, the images and other goodies probably remain on the hard drive.

If there were a hard drive that was used to visit the http://gov.state.ak.us/ site between January and May of 2008 it could still have the images on it, possibly even if the cache were emptied (unless a file is securely erased or overwritten it still resides on the drive. That's why file recovery software works after an accidental deletion).

All we need to find is a computer hard drive that was used to visit http://gov.state.ak.us/ during the period in question (early to mid 2008) that either 1.) HAS NOT had the browser cache emptied, or 2.) has had the browser cache emptied but not had the images overwritten on the hard drive. There's NO way a web "cleaner" could scrub every single hard drive that has visited that site during the period in question.

"Marty" has already been online with some of his associates trying to figure out where we would have the best chance of finding such a drive. He's thinking used/junked computers in AK from April or May 2008, because the Palin VP nomination wasn't until August 2008 and very few people in the lower 48 had even heard of her at that point (in retrospect - what a beautiful time that was). Perhaps it's the old needle/haystack thing but I honestly think that there's a pc that someone gave away or retired that's sitting in a basement somewhere with some images of a very svelte Palin from the http://gov.state.ak.us/ site during the questioned time frame.

This is just one of our ideas. I can't even begin to explain "Marty's" ideas what with the "servers and archives and files, oh my!!" complexity that he lives and breathes. I've more or less told him to release his inner hounds and have fun!! :)

This is all very preliminary and speculative. I'm probably just posting out of the thrill of the chase. But we've already had a boatload of fun :) I'll post more if/when we dig up some truffles.

Good Night to all,

Smirnonn

Bobcat Logic

9/7/2011 09:44:17

Just to depress everyone even more;

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/09/07/1014303/-Obama-Advisors-Feared-a-Coup-if-the-Administration-Prosecuted-War-Crimes?via=siderec

search4more

9/7/2011 10:01:02

Smirnonn,

take a look at these pictures:

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/f8q9p3GCLhXqnEOYPDVpgQ

https://picasaweb.google.com/AlaskaLegislature/MoveIn#5294186937839310466

https://picasaweb.google.com/AlaskaLegislature/MoveIn#5294186959919580354

Taken jan 14 2009.

They were found by me here:

https://picasaweb.google.com/AlaskaLegislature

So in January 2009 the Alaska legislature updated their computers on mass. They surely are the group of people in Alaska most likely to be looking at the governors photos.

This is a long shot, but if you could work out the name of the individuals or companies involved with the update, you might be able to work out where the old computers ended up.

Who is the guy with ginger hair in the photo? ....who owns that picasa account?

:-)

search4more

9/7/2011 10:01:45

As an aside, does anyone recognise the carpet in those pictures I just posted?

;-)

FrostyAK

9/7/2011 10:10:08

I think Jesse Gryphen might be the best source of the hard drive things Marty is looking for. Maybe he has the same computer, or maybe Mercede J has? Though Mercede has said that even a top tech could not rescue what the RNC did to her computer.

I don't suppose there is any way to find such things directly on the ADN website or on the State website, LEGALLY?

FrostyAK

9/7/2011 10:13:33

State computers - most likely bundled in large lots and sold off at auction. That's what the school districts do.

V-A

9/7/2011 10:35:08

@Brad S -- this is totally off-thread, but regarding your idea of a prize for anybody who can prove Sarah was pregnant in 2008:

(from Wikipedia)In 2004, Doonesbury's Garry Trudeau made a widely-circulated offer of a $10,000 reward (in the form of a gift to the USO in the winner's name) for proof that George W. Bush fulfilled his military duties in the 1970s. No one has collected on the offer.

Laura Novak link

9/7/2011 10:42:24

Very interesting, V-A. I had no idea about that. Or I don't recall it.

And therein lies the rub: do we ask for proof that she WAS pregnant, or was NOT? That is the question.

Smirnonn

9/7/2011 10:43:53

OK, one more quick post while we wait (impatiently) for the pizza :)

@search4more:

Holy crumps, those images possibly show the computer tower that is the holy grail! I've sent the images to "Marty" so he can hopefully network a bit and find out who the tech is and where those 'puters went. Thanks for sharing!!

@FrostyAK:

GREAT idea! Most probably the state would not securely erase the hard drives on outdated inventory. Takes too long. I'll (by that I mean "Marty'll") put out some feelers for computers bought in auction lots from the AK state govt.

If Gryphen knows someone with an older computer that's been dormant for a couple of years he may want to check it out!!

Side note: Why TF would the RNC need to look at Sadie's(!!!!) computer and WTF would they have done to it???? That alone raises serious red flags IMO. But, then again, it's republicans. I shouldn't be surprised.

FrostyAK

9/7/2011 11:00:16

Would the state have legal liability to have the names of the winning bidders in such an auction? Would an FOIA request get them?

Doesn't a complete reformat erase all old files? That's what I have done when giving away an old computer on which I did not want to keep the hard drive.

LTA

9/7/2011 11:05:03

@Smirnonn

Sadie photographed everyone and everything, as so many teens with cell phones do. I think when she put the now infamous Triggybear photos on her my space page, Sarah & "the men behind the curtain" realized their slapdash scheme could be completely unraveled by a teenage girl. They pursued Sarah's usual MO which was "OMG fixitfixitfixit NOW!!! NOW!!! NOW!!!!!" without thinking past the end of her nose. Just like the governor's site photos, poof gone bye-bye. They were concerned about what people would see in the photos. If Sarah and whatever puppet masters are behind this had thought for even a second they would have realized the very fact the photos (Mercede's, state web site, any of 'em, all of 'em!) were gone without a trace was something to "see" all by itself.

Tom link

9/7/2011 11:22:42

Laura, thanks for the response, not that it was much of a post. I devoured the Hardy Boys back when.

Frosty, smirnonn et al, who gave the RNC/McCain people the right/permission to scrub the Johnston files? Why would the Johnstons' allow it? I remember reading that eight McCain people showed up in Wasilla for the vetting process back then.

The scrubbing of all Palin related photos at the state level and at ADN had to raise some eyebrows.

And, yes, whoever brought it up, Lisbeth Salander would jave cracked this case long ago. Palin would be in the Big House and we'd all be sipping cocktials poolside with Lisbeth in the Caymans(honestly, as much as I enjoyed the Larrson mysteries featuring Lisbeth, I thought it kinda cheap when the author gives a character such power, i.e. the intellect and balls to acquire money and information at her fingertips---makes transitions awfully simple---yet I read all three like blank through a goose---a shame about Larsson's early death).

mary

9/7/2011 11:28:15

Not much to add except that, when I read The Girl with the Dragon Tatoo, I wished that Lisbeth could be sicced on Sarah Palin. Great minds....

9/7/2011 11:59:41

What about the home computer of an Alaskan state senator or representative? Maybe Sen. Lyda Green? Or a staffer?

FrostyAK

9/7/2011 12:09:39

Don't expect cooperation from any AK electeds. They all have multiple skeletons as well. The way to get elected here is to promise anything, and then disregard the constituents after the election. Staffers probably not, but worth a try, especially if they were disgruntled about $P. And had no further thoughts of state employment.

search4more

9/7/2011 12:23:22

I found these April 1 2008 photos on one of the state websites.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/8/18april2008.jpg/

Each representative is able to upload high resolution photos. I have searched them all. There are only a few with Palin in. some of the folders are still there but the photos are gone. I would imagine that each representative still has their personal photos on their computer at home. what we should really be doing is contacting them all and asking for the photos. The trick of it though is to approach them in the right way and for it to be the right person that approaches them.

If your a Republican and a left wing blogger who you believe is a believer in a conspiracy theory approaches you. Why would you want to deal with them?

Smirnonn

9/7/2011 12:23:39

@FrostyAK

"Doesn't a complete reformat erase all old files? That's what I have done when giving away an old computer on which I did not want to keep the hard drive."

Actually, no (unless you do a "secure erase" of the drive which takes a long time). The only thing that is destructively changed is the catalog of the data on the drive. The actual data remains intact on the drive, just without any easy way for an operating system to access it. But an application that specializes in data recovery can easily recover the files.

Smirnonn

9/7/2011 12:37:30

@LTA:

"If Sarah and whatever puppet masters are behind this had thought for even a second they would have realized the very fact the photos (Mercede's, state web site, any of 'em, all of 'em!) were gone without a trace was something to "see" all by itself."

Great point. The evidence of absence is not exactly the absence of evidence. Or something to that effect :)

This I know: a pathological, habitual liar like Palin eventually will be exposed. Because she's gotten away with so much for so long she thinks she's untouchable. Wrong. Anon "me again" and others are finally coming forward and the books and movies coming out will further dent the fridge of her facade with cans of truth.

And even thought that was probably the lamest analogy ever, I'm going to push the "submit" button. Make it so, #1!!

Ottoline

9/7/2011 12:39:47

Brad -- pls do us a favor and look at these things and tell us if you still think the race-entrance photo is okay:

the little triangle of very differentiated pixels at lower left, compared to the oyther grass around it. looks like a rectangular paste and forgot to erase that triangle:
http://i52.tinypic.com/o8t121.jpg

And on these three enlargements:
–-left photo: I’m bothered by that 1-pixel wide white stripe on the inner side of her back leg. As if the original background was white.
–-middle photo: the sunglasses of the woman whose head is right behind Palin look okay at normal size, but the sunglasses look odd enlarged.
–-right photo: this looks like me, erasing the background of a copied top layer, my eraser tool a circle, taking little bites out of it, leaving some of the more highly pixeled stuff behind.

http://i55.tinypic.com/13z9vz4.jpg

Conscious at last!

9/7/2011 12:40:43

@ LTA

Yes, the fact that so many photos have disappeared is significant. The whole babygate terrain is littered with endless examples of "the dog that did not bark" -- indeed, even in one case (fire) literally!

Another example re: the half marathon in Iowa---

Knowing SP, as we do, wouldn't there have been all sorts of publicity about how Mama Grizzly was going to be in this race -- you know, to get her all the cameras and attention that she seeks?
Why did the public only learn about it after it happened? There is something strange about this. Perhaps, SP& Co. didn't want the scrutiny during the actual event!!

@ Smirnonn Thanks for all the work you and your friend are doing.

9/7/2011 12:42:11

Search4more, how are you finding these photos? I'd look, but I've no idea where to start.

I did noodle around the Wayback site on the ADN site. They had one photo of Sarah at the Iron Dog, kissing Tawd. Curiously, the server with the 4/18/08 download wasn't working.

Ottoline

9/7/2011 12:43:57

Brad -- sorry to be so unclear. I know you already said it looks okay, but do please just take this second look at these little problem areas. And the first link is an enlargement of SP's back shoe, of course.

FrostyAK

9/7/2011 12:56:55

@search4more - isn't that the first picture (date wise) that she was wearing the empathy belly? Aren't there pics after that date that show her flat as a board?

Any way to confirm the date?

Ottoline

9/7/2011 13:00:49

Speaking of underarm sweat -- isn't it true that some people botox their armpits so they don't sweat there. Not my idea of how to spend my time/money, but . . . .

Melly

9/7/2011 13:03:36

Ottoline, hah hah hah. Hah?

Melly

9/7/2011 13:04:39

Ottoline, not the botox, the pixellated pix!

V ictoria link

9/7/2011 14:05:50

How about if we just check whether or not she has a college degree? Here are two sites:

http://www.edufacts.com/
degreechk.com

For various reasons - one which is I'm not so technically competent to reliably upload the information to disseminate it later - I don't want to be the one to do this. Sarah Heath, right? Which school and which year?

I kind of think that she does have a degree, because they're not that hard to get and someone should have looked into this by now. On the other hand Anon 238 hinted that she might not have one - and perhaps she's already covered her tracks - butif she doesnt, Anon 238's credibility goes up, way up.

FrostyAK

9/7/2011 14:26:46

@ Tom - "Frosty, smirnonn et al, who gave the RNC/McCain people the right/permission to scrub the Johnston files? Why would the Johnstons' allow it?"

No one ALLOWS government/political thugs to enter the house and take whatever they want. When $P got the nomination, the RNC swept into AK and took over the governor's office, and EVERYONE and EVERYTHING with any connection to $P. The RNC lawyers were giving press conferences from the gov's office for her (along with Meg Stapletongue) denying Troopergate and trying to indict the investigators. It was as if a foreign country had invaded. Everything was locked down tight and all investigation stonewalled.

The Secret Service invaded the Johnston home. I think it was during that time that Sherry was arrested?

Wow, I see I am still totally pissed about that...

search4more

9/7/2011 14:32:44

The dates between the 1st April and 8th seem very significant.

I have been searching for pics. I'm sure I have just been retracing what a gazillion other people have done before. I'm not claiming that what I'm doing is original or valuable.

Seems like the fake belly arrived between those dates. If we could find a picture where one day there is a belly and one day there isn't then that would be incontrovertible proof. ...Yeah I know people are going to say that that has happened already. The point though is that the shorter the gap in days between the 2 pictures, the more people are forced to conclude the belly is fake.

search4more

9/7/2011 14:37:55

Ottoline,

If you really want to investigate the marathon, you should stop looking at that photo.

I would suggest doing stuff like finding out about the course and the times the race happened.

Finding out who finished and started the race at the same time as Palin. Finding out who may been near her in the race. Then finding those peoples Facebook pages and Flickr accounts. Possibly even contacting them.

That I think is a more fruitful line of investigation if you want to spend hours doing something about it.

Tom link

9/7/2011 14:44:41

@Frosty

The RNC has no right to do any of those things you listed. What would give the Secret Service the right to enter your home and delete your files? I'm not getting this. Diod no one report the drama of this? I was here then (ANC) and remember nothing in that regard. Only in AK maybe. That kind of shit would never happen back east and if it did there'd be hell to pay.

I don't get it.

BTW, ozmud has some proof that the original photo was very funky to sauy the least. Rather than doing a poor job of explaining give her a click. She promises more tomorrow. Something about counting pixels. And Otto's link above comes from an ozmud poster. I know some of you are trying to unearth damaging info about the big fish but proving Palin's fraud in this race would be extremely damaging, and perhaps the domino that makes them all fall down. She's so f'in cocky!

Tom link

9/7/2011 14:52:43

@search4more

I agree, though posters are getting out some of their tecnical tools and taking a real close look at the photo.

I was thinking of calling Storm Lake Running and asking about the start of the race, how the runners/walkers are positioned. It could be as simple as that. Also, they may have a map of the course as you mentioned. They have a FB page with some comments like "I ran the 1/2, where was she?"

Palinoia

9/7/2011 15:14:00

Palinoia

9/7/2011 15:30:15

Using the Wayback Machine, I searched the SOA photograph archives. I went from photo ID=1 thru almost 400 I think.

They are mostly in date order (relatively so), with a few of Gov Murkowski and Gov Parnell scattered about.

It appears that the time frame we are most interested in is the time frame where the most "images not found" were located. Image 99 is from Jan 15, 2008, State of the State address.
Image 103 is the Safe Haven Bill signing done on 2/11/08 (corroborated by FOIA email)...no scarf by the way on that one. Image 108 is from the 2/25/08 NGA meeting w/ G.W. in Washington DC. Image 112 is the one of Sarah reading to the classroom (jacket on) mid February.

Missing: Images 102, 104, 105, 106, 108, 109, 110, 122, 123, 124, 126, 127, 128, 129.

That might not be quite all the missing images, but I can assure you that when I went through these photos (all 300 +) almost all the photos up to the start of the missing ones were present; almost all the photos after the missing ones were present. Things that make ya go hmmmmm........

Here is the link if ya'll want to do your own persual - just change the photo image ID number at the end and refresh.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090726124540/http://www.gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=99

search4more

9/7/2011 15:58:03

Palinoia,

As an experiment I just tried to get picture 102 and 108. I successfully got them.

What I think is happening is that the Way Back Machine server is overloaded. They probably should buy more machines, but don't have the money. If you try again a few seconds...or minutes later you should get the picture. It could be related to the time of day your trying though. If your hammering the server at the same time that other people are then constantly requesting the images may not be that helpful. You will get them eventually. You may have to be patient.

Juneauite

9/7/2011 17:51:48

Here's Wayback Machine SOA page of Trig with the comments:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080718172634/http://www.gov.state.ak.us/trig.php

DebinOH

9/7/2011 23:54:37

I think that the reason the Johnstons or anyone would let the gov. touch their computers is because we are taught to respect authority. I also believe at that time the Johnstons & Palins were still on good terms so if the feds said they were there to help SP they probably just let them do whatever.

Sad when you think about it.

9/7/2011 23:55:34

On one of the more recent threads, there was discussion on how to finally get the attention of the MSM: newspaper ads, billboards, etc.

What about one of those online petitions?

A statement that clearly and simply declares something like this [or a variation]:

Sarah Palin did NOT give birth to the Down Syndrome baby, known as Trig, on April 18, 2008, but has used him for political purposes. We dare Sarah Palin to sue us.

I know it might be safer to use qualifiers, like "In our opinion," but am not sure if it would have the same potency.

Another thought is that Laura could keep the petition under wraps until we have a certain number of names, say 1000 or so, in order to have the POW effect when revealed.

With the movies and books coming out this month, I think the timing could be perfect.

I would sign it.

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Melly

9/8/2011 01:34:54

Here is missing pic 105:

http://web.archive.org/web/20090429210728/http://gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=105

Karen

9/8/2011 01:55:01

JJ, I'm in. Great suggestion. I'm sure Malia would be all over it, too.

Wouldn't phrase it exactly that way (Down Syndrome baby, i.e., the rule is always put the person before the disability).

Laura Novak link

9/8/2011 02:03:58

As Sarah would say, "You guys are awesome!"

Juneauite, I'll check out that site you offered us now. I'm curious. And all of you who scoured the Intertubes and found the photos, existing and missing, is hugely helpful to all of us (any of us.)

What I love about this community is the calibre and diversity of professionals we have among us. Everyone brings their strengths together to discuss - even if it is to ask, get corrected, be rebuffed, or be forced to look at the problem at hand through a different lens.

There is so much information in all of our minds over 3 years, it's hard to keep track of what is substantiated and what is not. At least for me. But my mind is mush.

Keep this as an open thread for now please. And FWIW, I can see the Johnston's being intimidated enough to open the door and say, "The computer's over there." Me? I'd tell them to take a hike. But I can understand having a different response to a couple of Repug thugs hovering in the doorway in dark glasses.

Palinoia

9/8/2011 02:04:43

Thanks for the follow up Search4More....I'm actually glad the pictures are there after all. I'm tired of being so suspicious, LOL!

I rechecked too, and they finally loaded. There must have been a lot of WayBackers using their system last night.

9/8/2011 02:06:34

@Smirnon -
What about all of the people on these blogs who checked out the Alaska gov website at RNC time, and then said the photos disappeared? I wonder if any still have their old hard drives?

9/8/2011 02:09:37

@Karen,
Yes,agree - the wording should be improved. I will post the suggestion over at Malia's, also. Thanks

Palinoia

9/8/2011 02:10:16

JJ -

I don't think being "safer" matters when it comes to Babygate. Gryphen and Patrick have both posted many times that her pregnancy fakery is a FACT, without the use of any qualifiers. So far, legally, there have been *crickets* from the Palin camp.

I think that in and of itself says it all, especially now that 3 years has gone by. That's more than plenty of time to sue someone!

GhostbusterTX

9/8/2011 02:24:12

As an add-on to palinoia's URL-hacking method of accessing the archived pictures:

Note the bar graph-looking timeline on the wayback machine header up at the top of the page. You can click on one of the vertical marks to see the image as it was captured on a particular date.

***This is important***
Because the gov website reused the same slots, the same file names, for different images over time, the picture you see when you first look at the wayback machine archive is likely not the only one in the archive. For instance, in the example palinoia used, number 99, if you click back to the 9/3/2006 capture of that page you'll get a picture of Murkowski instead of the Palin one.

***Many of the Palin-era pictures have been overwritten with more recent images, but the older images can still be accessed by viewing the earlier capture dates.***

So this project is even more tedious than it first appears.

Might be a good idea to systematically download &store these images along w/ captions etc., if that hasn't been done already somewhere else. No way do I have time to take this on myself though.

Sunshine1970

9/8/2011 02:27:00

RE The 'missing' photos.

All the photos are there except #126.

Just take this URL
"http://web.archive.org/web/20110611143701/http://gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=126"

And change the number at the very end of it. Do that for every one that seems to be missing, and they all appear, *except* #126.

Get in the kitchen and make me some pie

9/8/2011 02:30:55

To debinoh, Yes, because people who misbehaved atrociously in their youths respect authority. The Johnston's basically had no choice in the matter. What were they going to do. People whom they didnt know were placed in their home to help them handle press. Levi never attended school regularly and has said he much rather liked hunting. He also sold meds for cash. I'm not attacking and not saying he was an anomaly or bad. You just seem to speak from ignorance rather than common sense.

Sherry publicly addressed all this by saying, Sarah called her and said the campaign was sending over people to help with things. This isn't a weird occurrence. It happens to everyone involved with a large campaign. WIthout the helpers, the Johnston's would have probably had a harder time.

dlb44

9/8/2011 02:32:46

Laura,

Quick plug for your book. 'Finding Clarity' is a fun read, especially for those of us who are familiar with the Berkely culture. The characters are hilarious, and the plot is unique - just like quirky Berekely. I worked in Emeryville, and Richmond for over 20 years, and hubby worked in Berkeley, so it was fun to picture familiar places like Telegraph Ave., Shattuck, and Grizzly Peak. Thanks for an enjoyable and laugh-out-loud trip down memory lane. I am looking forward to more adventures with Clari and her family.

Viola-Alex

9/8/2011 02:40:58

@Victoria - I spent a morning creating forms for applying for degree verification (willing to forge signature) and of course, it requires a soc sec # for requests. I'm such a dunce.

@dlb44 - I loved Laura's book too. I read it on my laptop, but now Amazon offers a FREE Kindle app for laptops. It would have been much easier to read with that. I've now downloaded the app and purchased Floyd Orr's book. Terrific timelines!

Laura Novak link

9/8/2011 02:41:20

Do not slander Levi here or I'll keep deleting your comments. He has nothing to do with this conversation. And Deb, you are anything BUT ignorant. Just ignore.

@dlb44 Thank you SO much for buying, reading and loving Finding Clarity. And for saying it here. Love to learn when people are local and can relate to the geography. Your review here means so much.

And a plug from me: Finding Clarity is available on Kindle (and Kindle for Mac, PC, iPad etc) here:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005HRNIUK

And here are some fantastic reviews on Amazon. More 5-star reviews always welcome!

http://www.amazon.com/Finding-Clarity-Republic-Berkeley-ebook/product-reviews/B005HRNIUK/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Thank you!!

Laura Novak link

9/8/2011 02:53:23

Thanks, V-A, for the compliment and for being an early reader of my novel. Such praise coming from such a smart woman.

I'm crunching on another deadline right now. I'll leave this thread open, but note that everyone's favorite troll (as Gryphen said: different names but same person, same MO and same writing style) is in the house. Ignore her. I'll delete any slanderous remarks against anyone as soon as I can. Meantime, again, ignore.

9/11 is sorta like Piper's birthday party

9/8/2011 02:54:28

Over at Whoisioz we were talking about ten, nine, eleven, and someone liked the comment I (mistah charley, ph.d.) posted there. Here it comes again:

I'd say that 9/11 "worked", but its function was not to CHANGE the course of history, but rather to intensify and "burn in" the course of history we already had. Rather like, in the reality series "Sarah Palin's Alaska" - it's Piper's birthday, and at the celebration her sister Willow pushes Piper's face into the birthday cake. This event iconicizes an already pervasive family dynamic.

Be excellent to each other. Party on, dudes!

Floyd M. Orr link

9/8/2011 03:17:28

Let's all give a big hand to Sunshine 1970 for finding a way to the missing photos!!!

V ictoria link

9/8/2011 03:31:26

@Viola-Alex - of course there had to be a snag, or else this information would have been out there already. I'm sorry for putting you through this.

lilly lily

9/8/2011 03:38:27

Libelous remark about Levi inserted, in Get in the kitchen and make me some pie post.

No one has ever said that about him as far as I recall.

Hitting a nerve. There is a bot over at OZ Mudflats also.

Viola-Alex

9/8/2011 03:41:09

@sunshine1970 - I tried it, to no avail. must be doing something wrong.

GhostbusterTX

9/8/2011 03:51:46

The whole shebang:

http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://gov.state.ak.us/photos/*

This is an index of everything archived by the wayback machine in that photo directory, not just the "large" format pics. There may be more than one photo under the same file name but accessed by the archive at different times.

Unfortunately there is not a direct way to sort by date; you can sort by date that the archive utility first accessed, but that is very rough. Not all the file names are helpful, but some have dates or event names.

Happy hunting!

dlb44

9/8/2011 04:32:04

Well, duh, typing on a tablet is tricky. It is Berkeley, not all those mis-tyoed variants. :-)

lilly lily

9/8/2011 04:44:42

Found a link. at the gateway pundit.com. Someone named lisa comment#21 writes"My best friend and I ran this race and were behind her the entire race. Honestly don't think it was her, No security. No reporters. Don't think so.

The article is called "While in Iowa Sarah Palin runs half marathon in 1.45" by Jim Hoft Sept 4 2011...

This could be a 34year old from Liberty Iowa who ran it in 1.47 or a 39 year old who ran the race in 1.53.

I posted this at Oz Mudflats since so many are checking the minutia of the race out. Someone can try an contact the woman for her impressions.

I'm into this, because I trust nothing that is Sarah, but not as good at ferreting out facts as many of those more familiar with the internet. I'm analog in a digital age and haven't been on the net all that long.

That is MY excuse and I'll stick to it. LOL.

Floyd M. Orr link

9/8/2011 04:45:47

Viola-Alex, maybe you are trying to change the number at the top of the page that comes up instead of at the end of the actual URL? Sunshine's instructions worked fine for me. I added a bunch of the photos to my already bulging Palin photos folder!

curiouser

9/8/2011 04:50:45

If someone already left this link, I missed it--everything from Palin's Governor's page that was archived after she left office:

http://wayback.archive-it.org/1200/20090726150112/http://www.gov.state.ak.us/

Here's a faster way to get to the late Feb. to April 22 '08 photo collection:

http://wayback.archive-it.org/1200/20090726181347/http://gov.state.ak.us/photos.php?&start=252&total=12

curiouser

9/8/2011 04:59:05

Mercede blogged about her computer being scrubbed. She didn't give anyone access to it. The people sent from the McCain campaign (not Secret Service) to 'help' the Johnstons during the campaign certainly look like suspects. It's so frustrating to me that Mercede hasn't gone to the FBI.

An excerpt:

"One morning I woke up to log on to my computer and to do some school work. When I turned it on it would not let me log in. It just went directly to the original Windows background (My background photo was originally a picture of me and my best friend swimming with dolphins). There were absolutely no files, all my desktop icons were gone, and there was not ONE photo on my hard drive besides the "Sample photos" which came with the computer."

http://mercedejohnston.blogspot.com/2010/06/my-computer-was-hacked.html

9/8/2011 05:12:27

The first time this photo was accessed is 9-9-08.
when was it taken (something about housing energy pack?

http://web.archive.org/web/20080909221912/http://gov.state.ak.us/photos/housingenergypack01.jpg

9/8/2011 05:19:10

Here is a new (to me) photo in her shoulder pad pregnancy get-up
http://web.archive.org/web/20090601082321/http://gov.state.ak.us/photos/silverhandbillsign02_large.jpg

looks like this bill was signed around april 13, 2008:
http://juneauempire.com/stories/041308/reg_268024334.shtml

Brad Scharlott

9/8/2011 05:41:47

Ottoline: I'm revising my first judgment – I said there was no photoshopping, and what I meant was that Palin's image was not copied there from another source. I still hold to that.

A very perceptive commenter in another thread, however, suggested that she thought Palin's entire image had been enhanced, in particular that the saturation had been boosted.

It think that is probably correct. To do that, the photo editor would need to "select" Palin's image with a certain tool, then determine characteristics of the edge of the selected area (smoothing, feathering, etc.), then applying the color enhancement. The artifacts you point to could result from this procedure, I'm guessing.

It's standard operating procedure in Hollywood publicity shots for such enhancements to be done. So my guess it that a highly paid photographer decided the original photo was too blah and enhanced Palin alone to stand out from the crowd.

That helps explain, by the way, why the photo seems odd. So I think the picture depicts a real event, but with some enhancements, which in themselves are nothing to get worked up about.

lilly lily

9/8/2011 06:20:50

That sounds logical to me.

Palinoia

9/8/2011 06:54:24

I think we have a winner with this photo as to an earlier date when the Empathy Belly appeared. Click on the photo and it will enlarge really big. At the top of the lecturn, right under the Belmonts, it looks very much like she has the Gusty size belly she sported on 4/13/08. This photo was taken on 4/10/08 during the Hand Bill signing.

http://wayback.archive-it.org/1200/20090726174818/http://gov.state.ak.us/photos/silverhandbillsign01.jpg

Sunshine1970

9/8/2011 07:05:05

Good gawd. It looks like she's wearing the exact same outfit as she does on 04/13, right down to the flag pin...

K.M.R

9/8/2011 07:17:16

I've only just started looking at the Wayback machine photos. What fun. Thanks to whomever first linked the site. From a quick glance at the comments, I believe that was Sunshine 1970.
Sorry if these have already been posted.

I've noticed plenty have been scrubbed but nonetheless I'd still call them "interesting" since I've never seen several until today. Perhaps other would also enjoy my finds.

The first three links below are photos from June 2008 according to the caption. She's got the baby in the sling.

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=150

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=151

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=152

More:
With Piper and baby Trig in sling. She's holding him in a rather normal position but only his hat and blanket or snowsuit are showing:
http://www.gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=164

Todd is holding the baby here:
http://www.gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=174

Palinoia

9/8/2011 07:19:34

Sunshine1970 - doesn't a shower suddenly seem like a great idea? LOL

Floyd M. Orr link

9/8/2011 07:34:22

KMR, now I am having the problem with your links that Viola-Alex had with the photos noted previously. All I get using your links is a Page Not Found on the Parnell site. Can you please try to explain how to get there again?

Melly

9/8/2011 07:37:53

So could someone clarify for me: The photos we're now able to access--are these the ones believed to have been scrubbed in aug/sept 2008? Have we found them despite the scrub? Or does this mean they weren't "scrubbed" but were copied over, deliberately or for space reasons?? I have seen the majority of them, or at least a version of some that have several versions now.

Laura Novak link

9/8/2011 07:45:29

I second Melly's question. And I'm with Floyd: I can't open the pages either.

Conscious at last

9/8/2011 07:47:58

I've just tried the links offered by KMR and I get "Page not Found"

DebinOH

9/8/2011 07:49:12

Just to clarify my comment, I was merely suggesting that most people are taught to respect authority figures. Most people, not all people. That is one reason a lot of children get molested. You should trust your teachers, preachers, and your friends parents.

I was merely expressing why I thought the Johnstons probably didn't say anything. That and the fact that they were still friendly with the Palins they probably thought they were helping them out. I am sure they had no idea that their computers were being completely scrubbed of everything.

It is also hard to say what we would say or do if one of our friends or family members became a vp nominee. I am sure that all of Palin's friends and family "felt" famous because they knew her. For some reason we all like to feel we are important and it doesn't matter if it is through our kids, relatives or whatever. How important would you feel if the fed's came to help your friend by getting rid of "unflattering" pictures of them? A lot of people would feel flattered that they were THAT close to an important person (let's pretend that this is a general person and not SP - gag).

I am not saying that all of us would think like this but I think that is the reason someone like R Mansour and Frank Bailey fell under Sarah's spell. They are/were living through her. It makes/made them feel important.

Sorry to get off track but I wanted to clear up what I meant since I didn't do a very good job above.

Carry on. I just wish I was more computer savvy. Good luck crew;)

K.M.R

9/8/2011 07:52:52

Hi Melly, As I said I've come into this late; others may have already given a clearer idea as to why some are scrubbed and some are not. My guess is that the pictures that are now being found (from the Wayback Machine - an archived site) are those that would not hurt Sarah. The photos that are still available on the Wayback Machine are rather harmless to her. The ones that come up with an empty page, are those that were scrubbed first from the government site and also from the Wayback Machine.

Floyd, Are you copy and pasting the address into your browser and coming up with "page not found"? I just tried the links I sent and they work for me. I have a Mac, would that make a difference? I doubt it, but I can't fathom why it's not working by just pasting in the address. I'll check it again and come right back.

curiouser

9/8/2011 07:55:25

Laura - Did you try this link to the photo gallery? Clicking on an individual photo gets the large image...for most of them.

http://wayback.archive-it.org/1200/20090726181347/http://gov.state.ak.us/photos.php?&start=252&total=12

I third Melly's question. My recollection is that I had seen all of these archived photos on the AK Governor's page during Palin's term. I don't think any photos that may have been scrubbed in early Sept. '08, are included in this archive and would still be missing. There are surprisingly few photos archived for Feb and March '08.

K.M.R

9/8/2011 07:57:02

I figured it out Floyd.
First you have to go to the Wayback Machine. The address for that is:
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

AFTER you get there, THEN paste the link in the browser that reads "WayBack Machine." I hope that works.

curiouser

9/8/2011 07:58:59

Sarah's schedule shows lots of press availabilities and events with no accompanying photos.

For comparison, Sean Parnell has over 900 pages of flickr photos.

http://gov.alaska.gov/parnell/multimedia/photo-albums.html

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49477898@N05/page913/

Phyllis

9/8/2011 08:02:53

@Curiouser

I think someone removed her hard drive and replaced it with a drive that already had Windows on it.
You could do it in under 15 minutes easily.

Laura Novak link

9/8/2011 08:05:12

Why would anyone want to look at 900 pages of Mr. Parnell? Just sayin'.

palinoia

9/8/2011 08:13:54

LOL @ Laura, good question re: Parnell photos.

I think we all just wish we could find more, so we scour and re-scour websites in case we missed anything. I think there are very few photos in the archives because they were scrubbed, moved, written over, etc.

K.M.R

9/8/2011 08:16:13

I forgot a step. I'll repeat and then add the last step which will help make it more clear.

1. go to the Wayback Machine. The address for that is:
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

2. AFTER you get there, THEN paste the link in the browser that reads "WayBack Machine."

3. Now you'll need to paste the same address into the browser at the top of that page (not your browser). It's a big space on "their" page.
After pasting the link address, say for picture 150: http://www.gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=150
then you hit "go back" and it'll bring up photo.

Once you're there, you need not go back and complete steps 1, 2, 3. You can stay there and change the number in the address by simply changing the end number. For instance if you have picture 150 up, just change the zero in the address to a 151. That will access photo 151. Get it?

MicMac

9/8/2011 08:23:42

Don't know if this is redundant to what everyone else is doing but might be worth a look: (got this link through the Number 4 reference at the end of Palin's Wikipedia article)

http://web.archive.org/web/20080417165654/http://gov.state.ak.us/bio.php

archived Palin governor's website

you can just click on the Photos tab or use this to access more photos:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080405200637/http://gov.state.ak.us/photos.php

MicMac

curiouser

9/8/2011 08:43:47

Phyllis - You hit on the only thing that makes sense.

Laura - Exactly! :D

mary

9/8/2011 09:05:03

@palinoia, WOW, you're so right. That's the belly! And the same exact outfit! Maybe it came as a kit. Ha ha.

leva

9/8/2011 09:47:51

The pic of Sarah Palin at the lectern has "Silver Hand" bill signing of the .jpg file name.

Here's a news article implying the signing was April 10, 2008.

http://targetednews.com/pr_disp.php?pr_id=1490753

sure would be nice if there were more pictures from that bill signing.

BlueberryT

9/8/2011 10:26:36

Hi folks. I'll just jump in quickly here to say that I've looked through all the photo archives that you referenced here, and these are the ones that were left after the scrub. We have definitely seen all of these before. My recollection (like some other readers above) is that there were more photos on that website on 8/29/08 or maybe it was 8/30, but they were removed when I went back to the site the next day. I don't think there are new finds here. But I will say that I think it's odd that the archive shifts to photos of Gov. Murkowski's administration from 2005, right in the middle of the Palin administration. That seems strange. Maybe it indicates where some of the holes in the archives were plugged? Just speculating.

Floyd M. Orr link

9/8/2011 10:38:55

A little while ago, I posted a comment to Patrick and Kathleen at PoliticalGates about these pictures. Blueberry Tart over there just sent in this reply:

I just went through the photos that were retrieved from the archive, and these are ones we have already seen. They do not include the ones that were scrubbed.

9/8/2011 10:42:09

Off topic but...

I stopped dead cold looking at this. Palin should be jailed for crimes against fashion if nothing else. I wouldn't wear this Walmart clearance jacket in the pouring rain alone in the dark, never mind to a public appearance as featured guest.

http://wayback.archive-it.org/1200/20090726181421/http://gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=114

Now, off to look at more photos.

Bobcat Logic

9/8/2011 10:44:33

Not on the current topic, but this post showed up on IM today under the new Broomfield post. Anyone have any insight into what it's about? Who is Mary Ellan Moe?

Anonymous said...
hi Granny Palin,

You just can't wait til this film is released can ya? I bet you are all tingly just imagining what kind of stuff Nick might have packed in there from Wooten, Laura, Lyda, and other stuff. Maybe even things you've forgotten.

Like ABI Case number 06-76332 the rapist that you convinced the Palmer DA to not prosecute because the children were not worth it.

Or how about the mother sending email to Mary Ellan Moe dated July 3rd and then your shaky resignation less than 24 hours later?

Also, too, don't forget that Malia Litman is going to get the case re-opened on the tax credit thing, because she now has email and a document proving you discussed making the TV show BEFORE you quit as Governor.

And just by the way, you really ought to just stick to one size of boobs for your appearances, cuz most of us know that you're wearing something. And it's pathetic

1:56 PM

Mhurka

9/8/2011 10:59:15

The silver hand bill lectern photo is a good find because it is more of a close up type photo and therefore might be easier to scrutinize especially if it is lightened perhaps.

Floyd M. Orr link

9/8/2011 11:01:51

Pardon me if I am remembering this incorrectly, but is M. E. Moe not the one connected to some sort of trust fund that was held for someone else by The Palins, and there were accusations at the time that those funds had been misused and someone was about to squeal when she resigned? Again, please excuse me if I am speaking out of turn here, so to speak.

Heidi3

9/8/2011 11:03:02

Bobcat - that is fascinating information! The Mary Ellen Moe story has yet to see the light of day, but we were discussing it on Shailey's blog on September 1st. Start at about the 13th post down, where Shailey comments.

http://shaileytripp.yolasite.com/blog/bully

I have yet to contact Dirk Diggler at his Alaska WTF blog, even though I said I would try. I will do that right now. The very last commenter before he shut his blog down months ago was discussing this topic. I hope he can find it in his archives, and is willing to bring it out.

Bobcat Logic

9/8/2011 11:09:30

@Floyd:

I just Googled Mary Ellan Moe, and apparently she is best friends with Sally Heath. She brought Sally to her Fundie church and away from Catholicism.

M. E. Moe is also a godawful writer -- just read a letter she composed to Sally under the influence of a creative writing course.

She may also play other roles in the Heath/Palin drama perhaps having to do with creative accounting.

9/8/2011 11:22:42

Quick google search shows Mary Ellan Moe is a friend of Sally Heath, according to What Does Sarah Palin Believe? by Michael Patrick Leahy. http://www.michaelpatrickleahy.com/baptismchapterthree.pdf

9/8/2011 11:39:02

The ABI case info goes back to January, when Alaska WTF went down:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/lastcommentalaskawtfcap.jpg/

This was posted at IM in the comments at
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/01/is-internet-broken-nah.html

This is an IM comment, around 3/4 of the way down the comments:

makes more sense on the second reading but no idea what KJB was or the references to the prostitutes but not like that would be public information.

The rapist and case number does bring up some facts..

the rest no record of a former commissioner in a plane crash nor this elizabeth ann jackson been fired from a matsu school or much information at all... and the mary ellan moe is sally heaths friend.... here is what i found I was bored.. and who knows with the palins...

jennifer883

got this off the alaska news site today...guess they dont like palin up there cuz well she does stuff like this...I hope you tea pervs are proud:

Got one for ya...Daniel Rene Jackson...ABI case # 06-76332... Raped a 4 yr old girl, a 4 yrl old boy and another 2 yr old boy for years...tried to kill the children and mother...Palmer District Attorney won't prosecute because Palin says it will interfere with her money ambitions and keeping the kids in turmoil is God's Will...just remember Palin - God will Bless those that Bless you....GOD WILL CURSE THOSE THAT CURSE YOU!!!! Palin Shouldn't have cursed that young woman and crucifed her children..

daniel rene jackson court records
dob 06/14/1965

Dom Viol With Children (3PA) - Summary

3PA-05-00200CI Jackson, Elizabeth Ann vs. Jackson, Daniel Rene
Docket Date Docket Text Amount Amount Due Images
04/05/2005 Petition Denied at Ex Parte Stage. Case closed. 0.00 0.00
04/05/2005 Petition for Protective Order: Long Term Only 0.00 0.00

http://www.courtrecords.alaska.gov/pa/pa.urd/pamw2000.o_case_sum?68961668
Disposition(s):
Status Status Date Disposition Code Disposition Date
Closed 09/17/2004 Contested Hrg: DV Long Term Order Granted

03/30/2005 Motion to Modify or Dissolve Long Term Protective Order Attorney: Pro per (0100001) Elizabeth Ann Jackson (Petitioner) Case Motion #1 0.00 0.00
10/07/2004 DV Protective Order (Long Term) Granted - Contested Hearing The following event: DV Hearing: Long Term scheduled for 10/05/2004 at 2:00 pm has been resulted as follows: Result: DV Order (Long Term) Granted - Contested 0.00 0.00
10/05/2004 Return of Service(served) 0.00 0.00
10/05/2004 Hearing Set Event: DV Hearing: Long Term Date: 10/05/2004 Time: 2:00 pm Judge: Zwink, David L Location: Courtroom 1, Palmer Court Result: DV Order (Long Term) Granted - Contested 0.00 0.00
10/05/2004 ExParte DV Restraining Order DV ExParte Restraining Order in Effect created on: 10/05/2004 For: Jackson, Daniel Rene 0.00 0.00
09/17/2004 Petition for Protective Order: Exparte and Long Term Filed 0.00 0.00

http://www.courtrecords.alaska.gov/pa/pa.urd/pamw2000.o_case_sum?79721413
Div or Cust w/Children (3PA) - Summary

3PA-05-01187CI Jackson, Daniel R vs. Jackson, Elizabeth A
Status Status Date Disposition Code Disposition Date
Closed 04/29/2005 Uncontested Hrg: Divorce Granted 06/19/2006

mary ellen moe friend of sally heath
introduced her to the palin wasilla church
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:ru8dzHcTTBIJ:www.michaelpatrickleahy.com/baptismchapterthree.pdf+mary+moe+wasilla&hl=en&gl=nz&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESipuMiK_qAgXU1h816ArJNkff3_IsxXMoa8uI_G7C-cImaUFN3VfmMcmWmF2Ap9zXbxKKrmYCR6Lg7ICja7AAW6Dw7uA3N6A5h38W-I9FEylAznOo52IIXkHdhdi9Uo1q1b62I7&sig=AHIEtbQnyqLHCjmwa45c1YKmhfjP3h2ltw&pli=1

9/8/2011 11:39:34

Crud! I broke the board. I'm sorry.

jeebus

9/8/2011 11:49:43

I know that Bristol is friends with someone with the last name Moe.

FrostyAK

9/8/2011 12:04:38

4 listings in the Mat Su phone book under Moe. No Mary Ellen, but that isn't surprising. 7 Moe's in Anchorage, no Mary Ellen. Of course that is only those who choose to be listed.

More Novaks than Moes both places.

Phyllis

9/8/2011 13:32:39

Elizabeth Ann Jackson's madien name was Moe.
I can't remember where I read that someone said she was Mary Ellen Moe's daughter or her adoptive daughter.
Found a court case on Alaska Court View for 4/11/2007 that shows her last name as Moe. Apparently she took back her last name after her divorced.

Phyllis

9/8/2011 13:35:27

That's divorce not divorced.

Sure wish we had a edit button.

1Doubter

9/8/2011 15:52:20

Don't know if this has been mentioned yet (haven't read all the comments yet...), but if I recall correctly, Mercede said on her blog that one day (morning?), she was about to do her homework on her computer, and freaked out that everything was gone. There were two women from the McInsane team staying with the Johnstons at that time (at least during the day), in order to answer the door and the phones.

honestyingov

9/8/2011 17:56:59

Laura,
FYI, Bob Paulding is simply a good cut-n-paste expert. There is a whole website created by a PalinBot that lists all of her ' accomplishments'. Not the actual FACTUAL ones but the way they ' interpreted ' History. The 'story ' Bob is telling has been going around almost word for word for the last 2+ years. He mentioned her Oil & Gas commission job and the way HE tells it she quit because she was so ' ethical',... as per his story. Of course he left out the Fact that Sarah HACKED into Reudrich's computer before she Quit.( re-writing History... just like Sarah's Paul Revere story) Dead giveaway was the statement about how those Lawsuits cost her $500K so she had to quit. Those of course were Sarah's inflated dollars.... because half a million sounds so much better.

She was still Governor then and Sarah's State of AK Lawyers working for and representing her back then had to list and document ALL of the expenses from the lawsuits and they were submitted on a spreadsheet. A very SLOPPY spreadsheet ( created by her Staff) with all kinds of errors and sometimes double posting of figures under 2 different categories.... trying to build those numbers up I guess. Sarah had touted her $500K figure for months... and her Lie fell apart within about an hour. The spreadsheet ( by State of AK ) was only about $385K. And about 2/3 of the Grand Total that was because of the Lawsuit she filed against HERSELF. Palingates did a whole post about the Spreadsheet the State of Alaska released.( I'm sure it is in the Archives ) They had it picked apart and found multiple problems very quickly. A High School student would have been able to do better work creating this spreadsheet. So amateurish.
That Spreadsheet was an Official State document with the $385K figure. Anybody who quotes the $5ooK figure is a Bot simply repeating Sarah 'excuse', NOT Facts.
Since it was almost 2 years ago ( if you never say the post )... I am sure you can find the old Palingates post that debunked her $500K lie.

Heidi3

9/8/2011 17:57:55

Great job "Up" @18:39. You found the final comment at Dirk Diggler's Alaska WTF blog the day it went down on 1-26-11 (Can't copy & paste the comment - just the link you provided):

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/lastcommentalaskawtfcap.jpg/

Here are a few comments from Gryph's 1-27-11 "Is the Internet Broken" post concerning Mary Ellan Moe:

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/01/is-internet-broken-nah.html

(1) "Memory tells me that the trust fund iceberg was out about the time that she resigned. There was also an anonymous comment left on Bob Lynn's blog."
10:38AM

(Heidi3 speaking: Do we know a Bob Lynn?)

(2) "I learned somewhere today that KJB is a rural road in Wasilla."
2:13 PM

(3) "I remember reading about the Moe trust fund several years ago. The best that I can recall is that the kids parents died and a friend or neighbor of the Heaths were responsible for the kid. There was a trust fund involved and a claim of the misuse of the funds..."
3:50 PM

It looks like the skeletons are starting to rattle the lock on their closet door.

MicMac

9/8/2011 22:04:40

Also left out of the "$500,000" calculation was the fact that the RNC (or was it the McCain campaign?) eventually reimbursed Palin to the tune of something like $250,000 for the mess they made of Troopergate, meddling in the Alaskan legal and governmental issues.

rubbernecking

9/8/2011 22:54:22

There appears to be different paths into the archives. Palin's Governor News page was archived once per month, beginning in Dec 2006. You click on an archived story and see the photos associated with it.

Here's the link to the news archive as of 4/17/2008:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080417163915/http://gov.state.ak.us/news.php

The Silver Hand bill photo appears on this archived page with a caption about the event.

Here's the link to the news archive as of 3/11/2008:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080311080921/http://gov.state.ak.us/news.php

Alaska's document retention laws requires the Governor's Press Secretary to provide a copy of public photos to the Alaska Historical Library. See item 4 on page 3:

http://www.archives.state.ak.us/pdfs/records_management/schedules/gov/executive_offices/13502.pdf

I don't know what photos were allegedly scrubbed from the AK site. If pictures were scrubbed, it would require additional effort to remove them from the wayback monthly archives and from the physical archives of the AK Historical Library.

There should be many pictures of the Silver Hand bill event. There are multiple interested parties: Juneau Douglas HS, Alaska Council of Arts, Alaska Association of Student Governments, and Sen Gary Stevens. Like the AK Museum photos, there may be unpublished photos in someone's archives of Palin entering/exiting the signing event.

Beaglemom

9/9/2011 00:21:14

The Manchester Union Leader has always been a right wing rag. Back in the late 1980's I had to read the UL for background information for my job; I simply could not stand the paper. The Boston Globe, which I also had to review was much better - with a good Sunday section. In my opinion, only crazies, the kind of people who like Sarah Palin, would willingly subscribe to the Manchester Union Leader!

GhostbusterTX

9/9/2011 01:04:14

http://www.eed.state.ak.us/aksca/native.htm#

Scroll down for another pic from another point of view of the Silver Hand bill signings. Very poor resolution, but you can see several people holding up cameras, so more are out there somewhere...

Tom link

9/9/2011 01:28:44

@Heidi3

Bob Lynn is a member of the AK House of Reps., District 31.

http://alaskadistrict31.blogspot.com/

GhostbusterTX

9/9/2011 01:44:52

Rubbernecking: the Palin administration's notoriously blatant disregard for mandatory retention and archiving of records leads me to believe that finding any new material in the State Archives. (See use of yahoo email accounts, Frank Baily's emails, and associated lawsuits and scandals.)

GhostbusterTX

9/9/2011 01:47:54

edit:
...leads me to believe that we will not be finding...

Viola-Alex

9/9/2011 01:51:32

Catching up on all your great info and ideas after The Great Blackout of 2011 in San Diego-- with no smartphone, transistor radio, and a few candle stubs.

O/T but interesting to read that great interview with Nick Broomfield in the WSJ (link at IM), which ties back to what my friend the NY Reporter said about the WSJ and Murdoch-- that perhaps deep inside, maybe even subconsciously, he cares more about owning a quality paper than people may realize.

Lies kill

9/9/2011 02:07:23

Ghostbuster, and the act of making emails public just made it so we will never have the opportunity to know what really goes in in DC via THEIR correspondence. Guarantee you that every politician started their clean sweep processes once Sarah's emails were released, if they hadn't been doing it all along, which is likely they were.

Wheres the transparency you promised OBAMA?
Liar.

lilly lily

9/9/2011 02:21:58

I haven't re read everything, but I thought the trust fund thingee also had to do with Chuck Heath giving Sarah Palin a loan of 140,000 to buy a house, and then later forgiving the loan which was out of trust fund money.

Everything with the Palins is 3 card monte.

Now you see it now you don't.

rubbernecking

9/9/2011 02:26:24

@GhostbusterTX, understood. But I think it's helpful to think about where mistakes might occur in a cover-up.

The Alaska State Library has been archiving the AK Gov's news page fairly regularly since June 2003. I don't know if press office photos were collected monthly or only at the end of the Governor's term but it's *possible* something interesting made its way to the State archives before Palin realized some photos might be damaging to her.

I think the archives are only accessible in Juneau so unfortunately this research is impossible for most of us.

For those who believe the McCain campaign scrubbed the AK state web site, it might be helpful to compare the Sept 2008 news archive to the Mar or Apr 2008 news archives. If you can find a story or link in the Mar or April pages that is not available in the Sept pages, you will have more stronger evidence that some cleanup occurred. Just knowing which event was scrubbed would help focus efforts on what pictures to seek from other sources.

curiouser

9/9/2011 02:51:41

lilly lily - The mortgage from a Heath family friend's trust is a completely different matter--different trust, different Heath friend. Based on the public records, the loan was on the up-and-up. Unfortunately, someone at democraticunderground misinterpreted the online document records and started a rumor about Chuck Heath misusing funds from a trust for which he was the trustee. He wasn't the trustee so he couldn't misuse the funds.

rubbernecking

9/9/2011 03:28:43

There are some emails about the Silver Bill:

http://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/13577.pdf

http://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/13571.pdf

Palin is unhappy that the media is not giving much attention to her bill signing photo-ops. It appears she took her own photographer (Andy) to the event. Perhaps Andy is the webmaster that search4more identified yesterday.

The Juneau Douglas High School newspaper or yearbook may have paid more attention to this bill signing event than AK media.

Conscious at last!

9/9/2011 03:30:36

Circumstantial indications tell me that the trust fund issue is actually very important.

lilly lily

9/9/2011 03:30:50

Oh the loan was on the up and up alright. But is forgiving the loan on the up and up? I recall reading a blog on it three years ago. No one faulted the initial loan which was legit, only the wipeout.

Perhaps that was mis information?

I think she is going towards splitting both parties and destruction of the entire political system.

They both need a shakeup, but not by her.

She is a spoiler.

FrostyAK

9/9/2011 04:34:44

@ heidi - "(2) "I learned somewhere today that KJB is a rural road in Wasilla."
2:13 PM"

In case it is ever important, that would be KGB, Knik Goosebay Road. It runs from the center of Wasilla, about 20 to 30 miles, near the coast to Point McKenzie and the super prison the state stopped building in the middle of the project. Point Mc is also where the newer 'bridge to nowhere' is sucking state funds for study after study. A bridge from Knik to Anchorage has been talked about for more than 30 years, and nothing more the 'studies' have been done.

There are very few rumors I would dismiss about the palins without doing my best to verify.

KMR

9/9/2011 05:00:07

Do we know when the Alaska Army National Guard, 3rd Battalion 297th Infantry came home to Juneau? I'm trying to track it down but I've had little luck so far.
I'm asking because I found a photo on the WayBack archive site (yes, I am still looking through the site for picture clues)of Sarah greeting the troops as they returned home from serving in the Middle East.
The reason this photo caught my eye is because she is wearing one of her famous scarves, one we have see before, and a black jacket. She certainly does not look one bit preggers so it may have been after or before the hoax. The caption doesn't show a date.

First go to the Wayback site:
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
then enter the below link into their search place.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090509141719/http://gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=76

FrostyAK

9/9/2011 05:20:46

There's an article about that NG unit here:
http://www.ng.mil/news/archives/2007/07/071107-Eskimos_in_Kuwait.aspx

"Their mission in Kuwait, where they arrived in October 2006 and which they expect to leave this fall, includes providing security, including quick reaction forces that can cross the Iraqi border, and performing infrastructure vulnerability assessments."

Unknown if they returned on schedule, many of the units were kept much longer than expected.

KMR

9/9/2011 05:36:17

Thanks Frosty, I probably jumped the gun due to seeing the scarf. Since posting I've learned via pictures in a military magazine called Warriors, that they were officially welcomed home in Oct. 2007

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/79765286/Winter---Military-and-Veterans-AffairsPDF

KMR

9/9/2011 05:36:42

Phyllis

9/9/2011 07:23:23

@ KMR
There is no Army base at Juneau.
Her is Sarah's newsletter for April/May 2008 in which it mentions this visit as May 1 2008.

http://tinyurl.com/3z7feb7

KMR

9/9/2011 07:32:19

The caption of the picture reads:
"In Juneau, Governor Sarah Palin greeted about 100 Alaska Army National Guard soldiers from the 3rd Battalion 297th Infantry as they returned home from serving in the Middle East."

Doesn't mean they were at an Army base. It could have been at the airport, although the caption doesn't say that it was at the airport either.

(Sorry for the double post above.)

rubbernecking

9/9/2011 08:09:51

Consistent with KMR's research, the "Our Soldiers Come Home" photo appears within a page of other photos/events from Oct 2007.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090509141203/http://gov.state.ak.us/photos.php?&start=208&total=8

KMR

9/9/2011 09:05:00

Yes, I see the same picture I found at the link you've provided rubbernecking, although I got to it in a different way.
Notice at the link you sent there is yet another photo at the same event.

Okay, so it's 2007.
The familiar scarf she's wearing in these two shots must have been in a bureau drawer just waiting to be pulled out a few months later, at the start of her "pregnancy."

Ottoline

9/9/2011 10:26:14

Smirnonn: Another qu for your expert friend: How can one locate the actual news program that was broadcast on Apr 13, the 5 PM news from Juneau.

Andrea Gusty says this is it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzyZkl4GyrM

but I have a lingering suspicion that the Gusty-watermelon-bellied Palin that we see in this newscast will prove to be Palin dressed in some other clothes (and a smaller fake belly plus the otherwise ever-present scarf!) on the actual broadcast that was aired. Also that the office-door windows will be light (if filmed at 5 pm, when sunset was at 8 that day). There might be other people in that hall at 5 pm, too.

Then later (say, late Aug), when the Gusty photos were taken, the interview was re-recorded in watermelon-belly get-up and spliced in over the original interview.

If I am right, it would suggest GOP participation in the hoax.

FYI, no one gives much credit to this possibility but me.

FrostyAK

9/9/2011 11:15:11

This one is dated May ,2008. She has her legs crossed here. Pregnant? I think not...

http://web.archive.org/web/20080909030948/http://www.gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=129

FEDUP!!!

9/10/2011 09:13:25

Frosty: May comes after April... ;)
She supposedly had Trig on April 18...

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