Oops A Baby

7/10/2011

A reader sent this. It raises three specific questions for me:

If it were Sarah, why would she say this after only one missed menstrual cycle?

If it were Sarah, did she say this after several missed periods?

If it were Sarah, what happened to the baby?

But perhaps it wasn't Sarah.

Let me share with you what the vox populi in Alaska has shared with me:

Bristol's pregnancy that had the school abuzz was over the winter of 2006 into Feb of 2007.

2006 was the year Bristol left Wasilla and went to live with her aunt to recover from Mono. Confirmed the year with XYZ. They were all students at XYZ High.

This was the same year she left Wasilla High and was MIA for the rest of the school year, supposedly in Anchorage attending school, but no record of that either.

To the best of my memory it was 2006 or 07. Yes the rumors were swirling, I never paid much attention to it.

Bristol's pregnancy and subsequent exile was all the kids talked about for months. She was not well liked at school and they all seemed to enjoy seeing her get knocked down to size.

Once Sarah announced the pregnancy, they were simply never seen in public. She said “pregnant”, I thought "poor thing, at your age!" and thought no more about it until all the crazy stuff began.

Bristol did not reappear until early in 2008.

I do remember seeing Dr. Cathy on the local news, and she did indeed have an attorney behind her, and did not answer any of the questions put to her. She made a brief statement, and it was over. Pat Dougherty was a bit sneaky in how he worded his reply to you. There was a statement, and it was not at the newspaper offices.

Vox Pops indeed, as we called them in the news biz. Hope to add more to the collection over time.

H/T VN

112 Comments

FEDUP!!!

7/10/2011 12:04:59 pm

2006...

TriG was born in 2008, though, and Bri$tol was awol in 2007/2008, not 2006/2007, if I recall correctly.

Bobcat Logic

7/10/2011 12:56:02 pm

If all of this is true, then obviously neither Sarah nor Bristol is the mother of the child(ren) now known to the public as Trig.

But is Frank Bailey a truly reliable source?

Are some of the statements he makes true, but others not so much?

Is he hinting at something for us to figure out without totally blowing what he must have known?

Ottoline

7/10/2011 12:58:47 pm

CBJ made a brief statement? On TV? I have never seen that, not did I ever hear such a statement existed. No video, no transcript. Did it really happen?

Conscious at last!

7/10/2011 01:05:32 pm

So the story that's been shaping up in my head for a while goes like this:

BP has had at least two pregnancies.
She had a child in 2007 and then again in 2008. It is possible that the first child is very fragile or did not survive. SP, has been trying to figure out ways to:a) conceal this info & b) use this info to her advantage.

We have circumstantial indications that SP could not have children after Piper was born. So we now know, from Bailey's quote, that she's been considering faking a pregnancy for political advantage for a while.

SO WE CAN STOP TRYING TO MATCH UP SP's FAKED PREGNANCY TO ANY OF BP's PREGNANCIES.

Palin faked a pregnancy in 2008 to help get the GOP-VP nod. She also tried to make it appear as if she was "covering" for BP to all those "in the know." It was sort of a local dog whistle.

Once the GOP campaign/SP realized that they needed to shore up Palin's faked pregnancy with a cover up, they were able to throw BP under the bus without "too much guilt." You see, she really WAS a pregnant teenager, just not during the times/dates that the McCain-Palin folks CLAIMED that BP was pregnant. Thus it wasn't as big a lie as SP's faked pregnancy-- it was merely a case of fake pregnancy dates-- wink-wink.

viola-alex

7/10/2011 01:19:32 pm

Do you mean 2006 or 2007 here? Audrey did a post on Bristol's schooling which has her at Wasilla High until Sept 07 when she then was homeschooled.

http://www.palindeception.com/blog/2009/05/bristol-palin-homeschooler.html

And. . .are you implying here that there may have been another pregnancy much earlier that gave Palin the idea in 2006. OR was she just thinking of a gimmick that would make her popular? (never one to do the real work.)

Cracklin' Charlie

7/10/2011 01:38:23 pm

Ron

7/10/2011 02:01:15 pm

I'm having trouble relating your three questions as they relate to the page of text (page 209). Is there supposed to be more text from the book?

crystalwolfakacaligrl

7/10/2011 02:09:30 pm

@Fedup
We DO NOT KNOW TRIG WAS BORN IN 1008! HE COULD OF BEEN BORN IN LATE 2007 OR Early 2008. The 4/18 B-date is a scam!
I think TriG was born in Dec 2007!

Juneauite

7/10/2011 02:20:11 pm

Even though in his book Frank Bailey says that he believes that Sarah gave birth to Trig, I found that passage on page 209 to be very interesting as well. I even have it underlined in my own copy!

I'm glad that you've posted it here, Laura. My reaction was that Sarah was testing the waters with Frank to see what his reaction would be and that she was planning or at least considering this "pregnancy" in early 2006.

Ted Velvet

7/10/2011 02:36:18 pm

how hard is it for you people to keep a grip on when Trig was born? I want to believe like the rest of you that she faked this thing but the sloppiness and over reaching is fucking annoying. Stick with facts, her bullshit facts, not how you feel because you're a mom. That's lame ass, Oprah style, touchy/ feely shit. Every time you and Professor Brad start openly hypothesizing about what if's and maybe's you just come off like idiots. I've seen this more than once on your blog, You can only mess with the timeline so much. Regardless if Trig was born in January of 08' or as Sarah has told everyone, April 08' it was either late 07' or 08' the kid isn't 4 years old. BTW, what on God's earth does Sarah's menstrual cycle have to do with this page in Baily's book? Tighten up your shit, it's fucking sloppy work.

Cracklin' Charlie

7/10/2011 02:48:54 pm

Laura, Great Post! I think I may have lots of questions about this one.

I like the way alaska vox populi thinks, but we need confirmation of specific dates. There is a big difference between September 2006 and September 2007. I think Bristol's high school time line could be the key to finding out what happened. But it is of utmost importance to have the dates correct. My hunch is that Bristol started school in fall 2006, and left early, and if she returned to school in fall 2007, she again left early. She doesn't seem to have gone to school in fall 2008. How did she graduate?

I am assuming that this is taken from the Bailey book. I haven't read the book, but I read a lot, and I try to read well-written books. Maybe Bailey is just not that great a writer, but to me this excerpt seems very disjointed, and just rambling about nothing. It is almost "word-salady". But I get another feeling, kind of like he has a point to make, but he can't reveal something that would make what he is writing more clear. I don't know, there's just something weird about it.

Who is Kris and what is that last sentence about? Like I said, I haven't read it, I have been reading Faulkner, and am suffering brain drain.

Vox populi says "once Sarah announced the pregnancy, they were simply never seen in public". The only pregnancy announced before the RNC was Sarah's "pregnancy", and that was announced in March, 2008. Who was never seen in public? This would have had to have been Bristol, because Sarah was definitely seen in public after the announcement. So Bristol is in hiding in March, 2008, until after Tripp is born in April? When exactly did she reappear?

FEDUP,
Trig was not born when you think he was.

Alaska RavenTrax

7/10/2011 03:11:32 pm

Way to cryptic for me. I am an Alaskan and have followed this story and the Politics of Sp.from the start of her campaign for Gov, To be credible the blogs need to be specific , otherwise we are res-peculating the speculation.She said he said, does not earn favorable points in getting to the truth.

BfromC

7/10/2011 04:15:29 pm

Laura -- I'm a little confused by this post. What is this "Accusation Spaghetti" from? Is it a book that has been published? I read Frank's book and remember a similar story to this in it, but don't recognize this source.

And OK, so I admit I had to look up vox populi because my first thought was that this was the screen name of one of you commentors. But apparently this is a collection of comments you've received, rather than from just one person?

Sorry, I've had a long day of travel and my brain is a little too fried to immediately sort this all out!

I do agree with the first comment, that Bristol was MIA 2007-08.

I also wanted to point out that in one of his early "tell all" interviews, Levi did share the story about Palin asking him and Bristol if she could have the baby, and they were offended by the offer. He tells it like it was about Tripp, but we know there could be some serious problems with them all getting their stories straight about pregnancies, babies, and all. If true, it does prove she at least seriously considered the idea at one point.

Since Bristol was having sex from age 15 on, and on Facebook Bristol joked about her mom thinking she was pregnant, it sounds pretty likely that Sarah already had reason to believe, back in 2006, that she just might want to pull off a "the baby's mother is really his grandmother" hoax.

V ictoria link

7/10/2011 04:28:25 pm

Just for clarity's sake, is the photo of the printed page from Frank Bailey, while the questions in orange are from you, Laura, and the statements below from one or more Alaskans?

And I, like Fedup, thought Bristol disappeared in 2007/2008.

mumimor

7/10/2011 07:12:42 pm

mumimor

7/10/2011 07:13:37 pm

No, now nothing adds up at all.

Sally

7/10/2011 07:54:05 pm

I doubt Sarah even knows the truth any more. She deals in fantasy, not facts. She thinks she can win the Presidency. If this isn;t evidence of her mental disabilities, what is?

K.M.R

7/10/2011 08:29:37 pm

Massachusetts Republican, Jane Swift was our country's first pregnant governor. As acting governor, Swift gave birth to twin daughters in 2001.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_M._Swift

The idea of being a pregnant governor might have formed when Sarah learned of Swift. It may have also felt like a way to hide Bristol's pregnancy while bringing attention her way.
A Palin spokeswoman sent her an essay about Jane Swift's pregnancy as the recently released emails showed.
I wish I had the dates of these emails to further this idea along, but I don't have them at my disposal right now. Here's a Boston Globe article that mentions it.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/06/12/palins_regard_for_jane_swift_changed_in_a_swift_manner

KatieAnnieOakley

7/10/2011 10:10:31 pm

Something to consider... we don't know that the very cute pic of Trig and Tripp on Bri$tol's FB page (and featured on a previous story here...) is in fact recent. Just because it suddenly appeared doesn't mean it is was TAKEN recently. It did seem to satisfy those who've been asking "where's Trig"? to a degree, but like all things Palin, it raised more questions.

Locals know best. I can still remember things happening to people in high school based upon my grade / age, and I'm 54 at the end of the month!

The time line above is not unreasonable; for a wee-bit over 2 1/2, Tripp seems unusually large - assuming that photo was very recent. When they showed him on the view, he looked closer to 4.

My oldest daughter has CP; we had her enrolled in multiple physical / occupational / speech & language therapy programs through the years. I saw many, many Downs kids in her "group" sessions; Trig IS small for his age, unusually so, IN THAT PHOTO.

They look like their ages have been reversed.

Brickian

7/10/2011 10:44:30 pm

Hey Laura:

Can you spell out how you think these threads tie together? I'm suffering from Monday morn dullness. Also, to FEDUP!!!'s point, how do you think the timing of Bristol's alleged first pregnancy fits into all this? Seems to muck up the various theories a bit.

Upstate NY

7/11/2011 12:18:09 am

Laura, you are awesome. You've become my favorite blogger. Please keep up the good work. In every Palin rendition there's a truth being twisted around to look like something else. Finding the truth has become a hobby for many of us outside AK, and we need as much help as we can get.

lilly lily

7/11/2011 12:26:20 am

This gives me a headache.

Bristol might be a very fecund girl. One of those who have a boy look at her and she conceives, just as she seems to pack on pounds with a few supersized meals from McDonalds, and then has that fat liposuctioned away. (her face, neck, and recently the rest of her.)

Bristol seems to have had two observed pregnancies brought to term.

How many miscarriages or white outs, who knows.

It really does give me a headache to try and figure it all out.

Doesn't Floyd Orr have a timeline?

Ron

7/11/2011 12:33:25 am

Not sure if it helps at all, but you know the orange & white shirt Trig was wearing in the Trig/Tripp FB photo? Well, Tripp was wearing it at a recent book signing. Sorry, I can't recall which one. It looked a little bigger on Trig than it did on Tripp (sleeves come down lower). I guess I think the FB photo is relatively new if that shirt is still being worn by the boys.

Brad Scharlott

7/11/2011 12:52:51 am

Ted, chill dude. We have always been careful to say when we are hypothesizing.

This blog has been great for working thru hypotheses, getting feedback, revising and rewriting. In fact, I am now writing about this very stuff for publication - and I have a pretty good handle on what went down precisely because Laura has allowed reasonable conjecture and exchange of ideas.

curiouser

7/11/2011 12:53:59 am

Frank states that the conversation with Sarah was held in early 2006 shortly after they opened the campaign office. I think her question was pure speculation/planning about the future and had nothing to do with anyone's possible pregnancy at the time. Had there been any missed periods and a pregnancy, that pregnancy would have been in bloom during the campaign and would have been over by the time she was inaugurated in Dec.. There would have been a new baby in the Governor's Mansion, not a pregnant governor.

I don't see any reason for speculation based on the 'vox populi' statements. We know some of them are false and others show disagreement/confusion about dates. There is documentation that Bristol was enrolled at West High in Anchorage in 2008. One piece of documentation is the Feb. 4, 2008 email from the principal of West High. Search for 'Rick Stone'.

http://www.crivellawest.net/palin2011/search.html

Beaglemom

7/11/2011 01:11:01 am

Some clarifications are needed. I've thought, based on over two years of following "palingates" and "palindeception," etc. that Bristol went AWOL in the fall of 2007 and then re-emerged in early 2008. I've never believed that Trig was born in mid-April, 2008. I don't really care about Tripp's birthdate but I think he could well have been born in December 2008. If Trig was really born in early 2008, Bristol could easily have become pregnant again and delivered in December.

@ Ted Velvet. Women's experiences are important considerations in this matter because it is so obvious to us (maybe not so to men), that one must counter Sarah Palin's obvious lies (the fluctuations in her size during that amazingly short pregnancy and the whole "wild ride" fiction) with what actually happens to a woman's body when she is pregnant and when she delivers. You may think it is just "fluff" to question her whacking her mid-section (the square pillow) during the Frank Elan (? spelling) video but no pregnant woman would ever do that. She would rub gently or caress her baby. It's a human reflex.

There's lots more that we need to know to put this subject to rest. It's a shame that "Newsweek" has just put out another piece of puffery on Sarah Palin with no tough questions asked. We need Prof. Sharlott to comment on yet another missed opportunity by the mainstream media.

Laura Novak link

7/11/2011 01:21:37 am

@V the orange is mine, as begun before the PDF. The black are the quotes. I decided not to put dozens of quotation marks in there to keep the copy clean. Sorry if this was confusing.

@Juneauite I'm glad you noticed and dog eared the page as well. I had heard about it long after people had told me this other information. I kept pressing, "Are you SURE it was this time frame?" I would not have printed their comments, except that Bailey's book came out. Then, VN sent me the blow-up of the page and the question endured: What is THIS timeline about?

And then there is Levi slipping up and saying "six..." and then correcting to "seventeen" in an intv.

Brad is right: we examine, ponder, put it out there and collaborate. Had Bailey's book not stated that year, 2006, I would not have printed what people told me.

Besides, why would a woman running for office PLAN to be pregnant months down the road if that goal were achieved?

curiouser

7/11/2011 02:22:45 am

@Laura - "Besides, why would a woman running for office PLAN to be pregnant months down the road if that goal were achieved?"

Sarah's eyes were on the presidency/vp even in 2006. I can certainly imagine her speculating about a pregnancy for political gain and that was the nature of her question to Frank and probably to several others. News that Bristol was pregnant in early 2006 may well have birthed the idea of a fake pregnancy which Sarah would have discarded as detrimental to her campaign at the time. But it got her wheels spinning. By the time McCain secured the nomination, she'd had plenty of time to fantasize about being an anti-choice hero. I would speculate that any pregnancies in early 2006 and early 2007 didn't result in a live birth.

I still don't understand how the 'vox populi' time frame jive with the Bailey conversation which would be an early 2006, possibly 2005/06 pregnancy. I am convinced that Sarah herself fostered...needed...the rumors that Bristol was pregnant in early 2008.

viola-alex

7/11/2011 02:26:15 am

Bristol's book NAOL is 99.9% family propaganda and bullshit. There are very few dates and lots of jumping stories to confuse past and present. (None of the photos are dated, and there are virtually no photographs of Bristol 2006 - 07.) However, here's the "timeline" it gives.

Fall 2005 - Bristol (15; Oct) freshman @ Wasilla High. Starts school a day late because she goes on a hockey trip to MA with Ben, Track, Levi. No adults mentioned.

Spring 2006 - (B is 15) Sex with Levi starts

Fall 06 - Bristol @ Wasilla H S

Nov 06 - Sarah elected, family moves to Juneau. Bristol @ Juneau H S. mid-year

Spring 07 - Bristol @ Juneau H S.

Summer 2007 - Wasilla; regular sex w/ Levi

Fall 2007 - Bristol sez she goes to Anchorage to live w/ Molly. West Anchorage High. Sees Levi often. She says LEVI homeschooled. reason: she didn't want to go back to Juneau and her parents wouldn't let her live alone in Wasilla.

Spring 2007 - still at W. Anchorage High; mentions homeschooling AFTER she learns she's pregnant in May but also implies she finished semester at W.Anchorage.

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Levi's GQ article stated that he and Bristol homeschooled Fall 2007

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from myspace (quoted on PD)/ May, Juneau

5/14/2007 Bristol to Johnny:
ha ha, my mom was asking me who I was on the phone with last night, and she said she heard everything I was saying.. now she thinks im pregnant…ahaha call me later if you'd like

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God Bless Audrey. Her post on Bristol/FB is masterly. She surmises that Bristol did not start seeing Levi until June 2007. The Palin machine had said the kids dated for 3 yr, to make them sound more committed and to cover up Bristol's sluttiness.

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RE: Bailey
If the conversation happened in early 2006, Bristol would not have been pregnant yet (based on myspace) unless the joke is that she'd already been pregnant once and that her mom is worried she's pregnant AGAIN.

RE: vox populi

I think some dates are wrong, but the MAIN IDEA is that Bristol pregnancy rumors started as early as 2006 while Bristol was away in Juneau.

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Question: What are the two quotes of Bristol's and Sarah's that allude to a lost baby -- something about "not being able to get up in the morning?"

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If RAM felt compelled to call Bristol trouble on the order of Billy Carter, then how much and what kind of trouble? How many pregnancies with how many different boys constitutes trouble?

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FINALLY - What if Bristol was pregnant early 2006. Sarah is wondering how to fix the problem (maybe even contemplating a hoax at that time?) She runs it by Frank.

Bristol miscarries.

By May, when Sarah is monitoring her every move, she accuses Bristol of being pregnant again. But she isn't, so it's a joke.

Then Fall 07 Bristol is homeschooling with Levi. She goes to Anchorage to deliver another baby, Trig, who is born prematurely. This one is Levi's.

Now Sarah has even bigger fish to fry. She's being sniffed out by McCain. Bristol's now been pregnant twice, and Sarah has a jackpot idea. She'll pretend to bear the DS baby.

As for Tripp: he's either conceived out of loss, since Sarah stole Bristol's child. OR Sarah convinces Bristol to get pregnant again to cover up the rumors.

Ottoline

7/11/2011 02:29:59 am

On her most recent "The View" interview, Bristol said the tent incident happened when she was not 17, as Barbara Walters said, but "younger than 17," per Bristol. Not "16," but what seemed to be a carefully phrased obfuscatory statement. Don't know why she felt obliged to correct Barbara, and why in that circuitous way (was she 15?) -- I thought it was odd.

Repeat QU: Does anyone know about the TV appearance of CBJ (cited by a vox populi, above), giving a statement? A transcript of it? I am surprised that I've never heard of it. And because I wonder if CBJ had anything at all to do with this (except silence re her role, if any), this direct quote would be v interesting. Vs the quotes attributed to her by Paln and the ADN, but which I have suspected all came from Palin. Ditto the "medical letter."

Or maybe the vox populi person misremembered it?

viola-alex

7/11/2011 02:34:41 am

ooops. I think I made a mistake(s) in my lengthy comment.

Frank and Sarah's pregnancy question happened 06 while Bristol was @ Wasilla High (not Juneau).

Bristol's pregnancy HaHa on Myspace was a year later in spring 07. She was at Juneau then.

I am not a great FACTS person. Thank god for Laura and Brad!

Conscious at last!

7/11/2011 02:43:40 am

@curiouser

I am baffled by your comments. Why are you trying to shut down what could be a very worthwhile discussion?

You tell us not to speculate in your second paragraph, but the second sentence of you comments is PURE SPECULATION. You say "I THINK her question was...." That is speculation.
How do YOU know what SP meant by those comments? Moreover, how could YOU know that these comments "had nothing to do with anyone's possible pregnancy at the time" ???

How do YOU know that the comments Laura has received from various Alaskans are false?

Regarding "documentation"--
We have already realized that SP & Co. had the power and inside reach to alter documents. The letter from the principal has been discussed elsewhere(I can't locate it now). Many of us realized that it was an odd type of communication.

Truly curiouser, your role here is getting curiouser and curiouser.

Laura Novak link

7/11/2011 02:50:05 am

The reason it didn't surprise me when one of the Vox Pops said that about CBJ and the TV news appearance, is because several of you commenters (can't recall who) said that the doctor had appeared in the background at a news conference. So, I'd heard that before.

Again, I'd heard this from people. I sat on it. Then the Bailey book. He might not be reliable at all. Who knows? And yes, the page does dissolve into a Palin-style word salad.

But again, WHY would a woman beginning a campaign even ask this question? Why?

Ottoline

7/11/2011 02:57:44 am

One thing that jumped out at me re Bailey's book is that his whole thesis is "Palin told me things, I wanted to believe them and did (even though I should have known better), and slowly I realized the truth." It happens over and over. Slow learner.

So then he says he thought she was pregnant with Trig (based on v few rather weak data points).

To me, this is an all-too-obvious additional example of the exact same kind of deception+gullibility that Bailey describes in the book, but without that realization that comes when the scales fall off his eyes.

So it seems only fitting that Bailey did not realize when he wrote the book that Palin hoaxed him (and us). How could he possibly not realize it by now, though? How could he not speak up about it now?

SunnyVee

7/11/2011 02:58:02 am

Laura's last comment reminded me of the picture Mercede Johnston most recently 'leaked' on ImmoralMinority...

"and there is Levi slipping up and saying 'six'...no 'seventeen' in an interview."

- It fits perfectly with Bristle admitting being sexually active for a few years before having Tripp, and with the way she spoke about her age on the View
- and with the pictures of young-papa Levi with the long highlighted hair, esp. given the context in which Mercede released this pic. (on IM)

WARNING - total speculation begins here
(but finally, some things seem to make more sense to me)

So, what if Bristle's first pregnancy was earlier than admitted? How does that help the story fall into place?

Brings me back to thinking of
- Ruffles (sick or deceased)
-Trig (fake Scarah's)
- Tripp (far older than his pretend birthdate, given the Trig fakeout, above).

Conscious at last!

7/11/2011 02:59:36 am

@ curiouser

Re: your second comment @ 9:22

Aha, your obvious need to "fix -up" your first comment(@7:53) tells me all I need to know.

You have now completely contradicted yourself. Why?
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I think the earlier schedule for a possible BP pregnancy is a very potent lead and should be explored.

SunnyVee

7/11/2011 03:02:38 am

Sorry, kind of OT -

I came to remember "Vox Populi" because I think it means something like "popular voice."

to anyone who mentioned looking it up
just fyi :)

Laura Novak

7/11/2011 03:09:46 am

Vox Pops is an old news expression. Voice of the People. It's akin to MOS or Man On The Street. It's when you string together sound bites from the, well, people on the street. Assignment editors use the two phrases to indicate what will be in a piece or what SOT, Sound On Tape, might be in a piece or run alongside a V/O (voice over.) That's your newsroom lesson for the day!

Viola-Alex

7/11/2011 03:15:53 am

@ Ottoline. I saw that section on The View. BP DID correct that when she didn't really have to. I thought it odd, because who makes a point on national TV to get the date right on when they lost virginity? Especially when you lie about so much else.

But what she's saying is different than what she's telling.

She's making the point that she started having sex with LEVI at 15. And that she only had sex with Levi.

But Audrey puts a case together (based on MySpace entries) that Bristol was promiscuous and that she didn't start being Levi's girlfriend until summer 2007.

Cracklin' Charlie

7/11/2011 03:20:46 am

Laura,

Can the timing of Bailey's original conversation with Sarah be pinpointed more accurately? When would her goobernatorial campaign have begun? He says that the conversation was "shortly after the campaign office had been opened". When would that have been? Bristol could easily have been pregnant in late 2006, and delivered Trig in summer or fall of 2007.
I believe that Sarah's inauguration was in December, 2006. When did she begin campaigning? I think Sarah's use of dates to obscure facts may have rubbed off on Frank Bailey.

Curiouser,
There are two toddlers living in Wasilla that might dispute your claim that no pregnancies resulted in live births.

Conscious at last!

7/11/2011 03:25:31 am

There is nothing wrong with speculation, pondering, hypothesis testing, or any other type of creative thinking. When we get too far off track, we help each other out.

Yes, we must be able to know what is a "hard" fact and what is an open question. But, in Palinworld, this is an ever changing picture. We need the freedom to explore that "what ifs?" to get to our firmer theories and eventual clear "truths." It is a wonderful process.

Allie

7/11/2011 03:30:34 am

What I found notable is that she asked a question about Bailey's life and once she got that Q&A out of the way, she moved right on to what is important: herself.

NSG

7/11/2011 03:31:52 am

@Viola-Alex, re Bristol's correcting Baba Wawa on the age thing.

FWIW, my reaction on seeing that -- courtesy of having my eyes opened here & elsewhere! -- was that it came from paranoia about pinning down dates and maintaining these lies.

Her spontaneous remark -- which as you point out was unnecessary and not particularly helpful to her image, by most people's standards -- seemed to me a reflex to keep the story straight. (After all, what conservative, God-fearing young woman brags to an older woman on network tv, "No, I didn't lose my virginity at 17, I was 15!!!"? Wow, must make a parent proud. /snark)

The real "why" behind that is murky to me, much as all the truth here is.

For one thing, I'm reminded of so much discussion on these boards after her book came out and many were erroneously assuming that the tent incident was tied to a pregnancy. If she was reading any of these boards, that might help explain why she was so quick to respond, having seen that assumption before.

Not sure. I'm new to a lot of the details (although I was railing about the wild ride when we first heard it!), but I thought I'd pass along my thoughts. But it definitely struck me at the time as an uncalculated reaction, an honest glimpse into her frame of mind, and therefore, maybe significant.

Ottoline

7/11/2011 03:38:54 am

So Laura, we don't actually know what, if anything, CBJ said at that news conference. Her statement. If indeed she made one. Is that right?

It used to be so important in the newspaper days that there was a record of everything printed, microfiche.

Today? Is there a master record somewhere of everything a TV station ever broadcast? At least the news? Apart from its own files, which might or might not be available to the public. If yes, there are two things I would LOVE to see/know:

1. This CBJ footage and her statement, because it would be the only for-sure thing she has ever said.

2. Whether the Gusty interview with Palin was ever aired as Gusty said it was. If YES, then we are wrong that the Gusty pix were made in Aug as a deceptive "proof" that Palin was pregnant, and there goes any hint that the RNC might have orchestrated it. If NO, then Gusty lied, forged a video showing it being aired (other people involved!), and we'd want to know why: did she abet the hoax? when was it really shot? and a host of other questions. If NO, there's a potential smoking gun there.

Jo Griffin

7/11/2011 03:47:10 am

I read a library copy of Frank Bailey's book and it has been returned so I can't look at again. However, I do not remember any reference in the book to Tripp's birth; since it (supposedly) was the birth of Sarah's first grandchild, that just seems strange to me not to be mentioned at all. Does anyone else have a remembrance of that in his book?

Laura Novak link

7/11/2011 04:08:30 am

Ottoline: No, I don't know anything about that press conference. I have heard it from several people in the comments that it occurred. So again, this didn't surprise me when this person said it. Perhaps someone else remembers this reference? As for the Gusty photo, I believe in the piece she did about herself and this controversy, she did show the anchors tossing it to her for her live shot. That would indicate to me that it truly was a live story she was doing. And that coincided with that email from Palin's email dump.

Someone earlier asked me how the MSM will ever spin their laziness on this story. I have no idea. But I'm sure it will be good and to their advantage!!

Viola-Alex

7/11/2011 04:09:37 am

FWIW: watching Tripp in person, I would have sworn he was 3 years old. At least. In fact, I wrote that down in my post without realizing, according to them, he's only 2.5.

Allie

7/11/2011 04:19:50 am

@Ottoline

I watched the Gusty video. The story started off in the newsroom and then the anchor cut away to Gusty who then interviewed Sister Sarah and afterward she tossed back to the anchor.

I haven't seen the CBJ video, although its existence surfaced about a week or two ago in MY reading of the blogs. I can't remember where. Sorry.

Tripp in Frank Bailey's book

7/11/2011 04:31:57 am

Page 298 ... Levi stayed at the house those first nights after Tripp was born, with the purpose of helping the baby and Bristol through the night. He stayed perhaps a week ...

viola-alex

7/11/2011 05:13:27 am

In Bristol's book she says she was at Wasilla High until the semester ended mid-December 2007. She cites a class she took and refers to a teacher, not by name but by saying she was the wife of her middle school basketball coach.

In Jan 08 she went to West Anchorage H S; lives with Aunt Heather.

In GQ Levi says in Fall 07 they homeschooled together.

Phyllis

7/11/2011 06:14:57 am

@Cracklin' Charlie:Sarah filed her papers to run for Governor on May 31 2006.
So some time in early June would have been
when she opened her campaign office.

curiouser

7/11/2011 06:33:28 am

@Cracklin' Charlie - "There are two toddlers living in Wasilla that might dispute your claim that no pregnancies resulted in live births."

Holy Cheesus! You got me on that one! By early 2007, I was thinking Jan.. You're not saying that you'd exclude the possibility of miscarriage or abortion are you?

@conscious at last! I have difficulty sometimes with self-expression and seem to have missed the mark more than once today in clarity. To say "I don't see any reason for speculation based on the 'vox populi' statements" doesn't mean the same thing to me as 'Don't speculate!'. Discussion could well open my eyes to a reason; I wasn’t attempting to shut it down. My expression of confusion was in the context of Bristol's school attendance in Anchorage and the timeline given by Bailey's book of early 2006 which doesn't seem to tie in with the Vox Pop statements. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Bristol was serially pregnant but I have difficulty placing her in school in Anchorage in early 2007 when there is documentation that she was in Juneau.

Your 'Aha' moment sounds like you interpreted my second comment as me trying to cover up that I'm a troll. Will there be another ‘Aha’ moment if I point out that I agree with you about Sarah’s ‘local dog whistle’. It’s one of my obsessions that I’ve brought up several times in the past here and on other BG blogs? Here are a few recent ones:

Did Sarah Palin Trip Up... July 6: Sarah had used the rumor that Bristol was pregnant to scare away questions during her 'pregnancy' and she was ready to throw Bristol on the altar again when confronted about the Kos story.

Just Sayin’ July 2: It seems that her staff was either blinded/silenced by devotion or were afraid to ask questions because of the the Bristol rumors. I do think Sarah purposefully used the rumors about Bristol and, perhaps, even started them.

curiouser

7/11/2011 07:29:21 am

Some more info on the timing of Sarah's campaign for governor and existence of a campaign office:

"Sarah Palin, former mayor of Wasilla, is the only declared Republican in the race right now." Juneau Empire, Dec. 7, 2005
http://juneauempire.com/stories/120705/opi_20051207023.shtml

"Palin announced her candidacy on Oct. 18, Alaska Day, long before any other of the growing list of candidates, saying then that it was “time to take a stand and put Alaska first. She echoed those remarks after filing her paperwork Wednesday, making her bid for the state's highest public office official. Frank Bailey, who works with Palin's campaign, indicated that waiting for the final week to file paperwork is typical for major elections.
http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2006/06/02/news/news2.txt

Laura Novak link

7/11/2011 07:35:47 am

Thanks for finding this stuff, Curiouser. If Bailey is to be believed, then it appears that something happened in 2006 to make her ask this question. And it must have been significant (and three months along?) enough for her to ask it early in her campaign. She couldn't have been thinking of GETTING pregnant. So she must have been thinking of ACTING pregnant. Way back then.

Molly

7/11/2011 08:21:42 am

I agree Laura. There is no way that a woman in her forties (with four children) would be thinking about getting pregnant.
This post has been very interesting.

Voxs Pops - you learn something new everyday!

FrostyAK

7/11/2011 08:22:35 am

Muddle-headed as I am sometimes, I believe I saw a clip on TV news with CBJ. If that's so, KTUU has the footage, as it is the only local news that comes in where I am.

Sooo, if the footage exists, KTUU has it. The question is, will they admit it? Will they give it up? They have been $palin apologists right along. Stapletongue worked for them at one time...

Laura Novak link

7/11/2011 08:29:13 am

Thanks, Molly, and glad to hear it.

And thanks, also, too, Frosty, for verifying that. Maybe we can find that clip then.

Katie Taylor

7/11/2011 08:45:58 am

Bailey attributes his belief that Sarah was Trig's mother to the fact that Bristol could not have been because he saw her at the hospital on 4/18 (supposed date of birth) in the waiting area in blue jeans. I believe he is telling the truth on this point. In order for that to be "weak evidence" one must accept as we do that Trig was born earlier than 4/18. That scenario makes Bailey's observation true but it does not mean that Sarah has to be the mother. Since he accepts 4/18 as Trigg's true birthdate it is reasonable for him to rule out Bristol as the mother. I have not seen any other definitive evidence attributed to Bailey to support his belief that Sarah gave birth to Trigg. For those who have read his book, was there any other evidence presented? I am intrigued by the comments that reference CBJ presser on the news with a lawyer in the background. I thought I had every bit of data on the Trigg issue but this is the first I have seen this televised footage mentioned. Why would she do this televised statement given her purported letter attesting to the facts surrounding the birth? This bit is curiouser indeed.

Ottoline

7/11/2011 08:49:25 am

Laura and Allie: I remain skeptical about the video Gusty said aired. The one on the video of Gusty saying it aired. I'll remain skeptical until I see a confirmation by some credible other source. Like maybe it would be possible to phone that anchor who tosses to Gusty: show him the video and ask him to confirm. I bet he would not talk to anyone about a Palin question, though. Per orders at the ADN.

Yes the anchor tosses it to Gusty and she tosses it back to him. C'mon: I bet even **I** could splice up a video and swap out/swap in a different middle segment. Surely on that day when the legislature ended, there was such a story on TV. Palin prob said a few words. But did she say them in full fake-belly regalia? If yes, then anyone who had seen her at work that day might have been as surprised as we were to see this suddenly watermelon-sized pregnancy, which no one has ever commented on seeing at the time. We still have no photo, video, or eyewitness of Palin that day of the leg closing down. Other bloggers have noted how odd to make the Gusty video after dark, when the leg ended around noon. An odd location, with packing boxes as a background, when there are many stately, relevant backgrounds in such an office bldg.

At first I thought it would be too risky for Gusty to fake the anchor's participation (i.e., splicing to make a fake copy of a faked newscast) because the other anchor would see it and deny it. But maybe not: our blog community is actually pretty small and the chances are good that the anchor might never have seen this ponied-up video, if indeed it is ponied up.

I keep focusing on this because the Gusty photos are so odd: different belly; different hair; odd location to film; odd time of day; odd sudden appearance of the Gusty still pix on the web; odd Gusty zipcode as part of the handle of the Eric who put it up; seemingly the same suit and hair in the May Bailey baby-in-office photo with what looks like Tripp but is supposed to be Trig -- in May per Bailey; that would mean she wore her pregnancy clothes a month after delivery. So if you are talking to more Vox Populi people, it might be worth asking if anyone ever saw this clip on the news at the time. But memories can be faulty -- some official record would be best.

Isn't there a wayback or cache way of looking at that station's archive of newscasts? We know the day it would have aired.

Also, switching to the lone appearance of CBJ ever re this hoax, the exact words of CBJ are now of great interest to me, since if there is a record of what she said that day, it would be the first appearance of a non-hearsay quote from her.

Does it seem ridiculous to second guess something like this? It seemed ridiculous and impossible at first to even consider a pregnancy hoax. But we know now (from the photos) that Palin DID hoax us. And if she did that, the Wild Ride is a lie. And the medical letter must also have been forged or altered. So all of a sudden a ponied-up video seems like standard operating procedure, not really that unlikely, considering.

rubbernecking

7/11/2011 08:49:42 am

Laura, I was confused by the Alaska vox populi comments. Are these sources you have interviewed in AK? Or are these comments you have received from Alaska web addresses?

I've very much enjoyed your interviews with the medical professionals. In the medical interviews you explained that your sources were anonymous but that you vouched for their professional credentials.

I was unsure if the Vox Populi were anonymous comments you found interesting or information from AK sources you had developed and deemed reliable. Either is fine, of course, but I think it would be helpful to explain which it is.

p.s. According to the 2nd chapter in Bailey's book, Bailey helped Palin open her first Anchorage office in Nov 2005 and a second office in Aug 2006.

rubbernecking

7/11/2011 09:18:29 am

What's the relationship between the ADN and the local broadcasters? Is it typical for a newspaper like the ADN to videotape an interview for broadcast by another media outlet like KTUU?

Jane in NC

7/11/2011 09:35:00 am

I can't find any references to any interview with CBW except this one in an ADN article bylined by Lisa Demer:
snip --
Palin kept in close contact with Baldwin-Johnson. The contractions slowed to one or two an hour, "which is not active labor," the doctor said.
"Things were already settling down when she talked to me," Baldwin-Johnson said. Palin did not ask for a medical OK to fly, the doctor said.
"I don't think it was unreasonable for her to continue to travel back," Baldwin-Johnson said.
snip --
Read more: http://www.adn.com/2008/04/22/382864/palins-child-diagnosed-with-down.html#ixzz1Rq8W3rS5

This article combined ADN interviews with both Palin and Johnson, and it is not clear who reported that "the contractions slowed ..." Did Palin say this to reporters? Or did Johnson tell reporters that this was part of the phone conversation? The "which" leads the reader to believe that Johnson said something like, "Palin told me the contractions had slowed to one or two .. which is not active labor." But maybe Johnson was just answering the reporter's question, "Is one or two contractions an hour active labor?" and the reporter inadvertently included "which" in the quote. "Things were ... settling down." What things? Her last quote again might have been rephrased from a question like "Do you think it was unreasonable ..." or "Is it fair to say you don't think it was unreasonable ..." and Johnson's literal answer could have been, "No."

I've seen this kind of para-quoting by reporters many times. Since a written article is not a transcript of every word that was actually said during the course of an interview, it is generally seen as a fair device to move the story along. But there is no mention of exactly when, where or how the interview was conducted, if a lawyer was present (can't find documentation for that allegation), which indicate to me that Johnson may have been carefully guarding her answers; we'll never know unless Demer can accurately recall the interview.

Another odd thing (to me) is if Johnson was involved in the birth why some reporter didn't get the usual "mother and baby are doing fine" quote from Palin's doctor on the day of birth.

Yes, I know my theorizing doesn't prove a thing, but it's yet another in the Odyssey of Palin oddities.

BTW, I, too missed the relevance of the book passage to menstrual periods and found the vague timelines confusing. It is, however, interesting that Bailey includes this particular recollection.

curiouser

7/11/2011 09:55:48 am

Laura, I wonder if you've talked with Syrin. She was on the hoax early and I believe she has a son that is close to Bristol's age. It's all mind-boggling but considering it's Sarah's mind we're talking about.....

viola-alex

7/11/2011 10:19:18 am

ummmm. early 2006? perhaps it's time to visit the famous Bristol Green Sweater photo?

http://www.palindeception.com/blog/2009/02/once-and-for-all.html

was the date ever figured truly conclusively?

Laura Novak link

7/11/2011 11:34:22 am

@V-A that green sweater photo was the first thing I thought of again when compiling these Vox Pops.

@Rubbernecking, I consider these sources and do NOT print any old thing someone sent me. Just imagine if I did that. You have no idea! But I can appreciate why you'd ask.

@Curiouser, No, I've never talked to Syrin but I certainly have enjoyed her work all these years. Maybe that's something to think about.

@JaneNC, Why would anyone even speculate about being a pregnant governor unless a period had been missed? Otherwise, what, was she planning months down the road to possibly get pregnant at her age? With four kids and having won an election? The mere mention of it had to have a reason behind it. Was was the impetus? Who thought they might be pregnant?

I forget who asked this but again, Gusty most likely did the shoot at night because she was doing a LIVE shot. It had to be during the broadcast, presumably the 5pm news. They literally hung around all afternoon waiting for that LIVE shot. That is what spruces up a newscast. Makes it dynamic because they are "on the scene". Otherwise everything is canned and it gets tired. That does not seem overly contrived to me or out of the question.

Ferry Fey

7/11/2011 01:04:52 pm

Since we're discussing the Gusty video, let me repeat something I posted at the end of an IM post that soon moved on to something else:

Odd gratuitous tongue-thing image at 2:46 in the "Andrea Gusty addresses" video, for a second or less, right where it is changing from a montage to the station info. Was that an editorial comment, sticking a tongue out at us? There's no other reason to have it there.

Good way to make sure "Useful Idiot" gets attached to your resume.

It was nice seeing a video of Sarah Palin where she was not screeching or trying to seduce the interviewer.

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/06/laura-novak-and-professor-scharlot

anonfornow

7/11/2011 01:20:38 pm

Three possibilities that might explain Bailey's comment:

1) Bristol had a pregnancy scare in June 06 that Sarah was considering covering for. We know she was sexually active at the time, by her own admission.

2) Bailey is misremembering. He might think the conversation was in their campaign headquarters when it was really someplace else.

3) Bailey is lying to help cover up the Trig hoax by making it look as if Palin was still fertile and considering having another child

Bailey has been very careful about what he does and doesn't expose in his confessional. One of the reasons could be legal, but he could also be trying to avoid greater public embarrassment.

Ottoline

7/11/2011 01:30:12 pm

Re Gusty interview/shoot: Sunset in Juneau on Apr 13 2008 was 8:08 PM. For a "Live-at-5" broadcast it would not have been dark outside. If they were doing a "Live-at-10pm" show, why so late, when the session ended at noon?

I still think it would be worth checking, if there IS even a way to check it. Prob not, not at this distance and with everyone so edgy about saying boo re Palin.

But just as with the medical letter, which MUST be fake if we know Palin did not deliver Trig -- fakery is standard procedure for Palin. We suspected that way before the Bailey book confirmed it.

This is a low-probability/high-reward question, because if that Gusty newscast was faked, then we can legitimately suspect a lot of other things: the date of this shoot could be any time other than Apr 13, even Aug; if Aug, it suggests the complicity of the RNC; Gusty must have known about the hoax, ditto the other two Amigos; why would Palin be wearing a fake belly at any time after Apr 18, if the photo was shot later?

Sunset calculator:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=112&month=4&year=2008&obj=sun&afl=-11&day=1

betsy smith

7/11/2011 01:31:14 pm

When Levi, Sherry and Mercede were on Tyra Banks show the kitchen photo of tiny Ruffles was shown and called Tripp. Enlargements show unmistakable FAS syndrome characteristics.
That picture was taken May 3, 2008. Ruffles could not have been more than a few weeks old. This baby was also photographed at the "Baby Shower" and on the cover of US Star, its deformed ears carefully hidden.
A large DS baby was presented as Trig at the RNC in August.

Ottoline

7/11/2011 01:56:51 pm

At the time I first started searching the web re Palin, prob right after the election, I remember seeing the Gusty photo. I noticed the watermelon-sized pregnancy, but I did not understand the sequence yet. When I later wanted to put photos into a timeline, that photo was gone. I looked for it. Then it reappeared.

When it reappeared, I spent hours reviewing videos of Gusty's broadcasts dated around that time to see if I could date the Palin shoot by the length of Gusty's hair or some similar feature; I could not. At that time, I never found that video we are discussing, the one at the end of the leg session. I'm not a perfect searcher -- could be I missed it.

But what I observed about that video and stills being available or not available on the web seems consistent with some horsing around with what we know to be a fake-belly photo, and that we know is not consistent with what we must surmise was her actual size at that time -- no one said "she got pretty big by April 13."

Geez, I'm so tired of this whole subject, but I feel we are just inches from the key to exposing it. Of course, we have said that before.

V ictoria link

7/11/2011 02:13:24 pm

I understand that medical records are sealed - what about school records? For grades we would certainly need permission - but what about attendance?

If we can show that BP has lied about her whereabouts in fall 2007 - and her story and Levi's apparently don't agree - then that's a stronger bit of circumstantial evidence.

Ottoline

7/11/2011 02:18:29 pm

Ferry Fey -- Good observation. I didn't notice the 2:46 tongue action. What I noticed the first time I saw it was at 3:11 -- a tiny blip of something missing. At 3:19, I find it odd that the anchor is fuzzier than the crisper shot of Gusty -- don't tv stations usually equalize the pictures?

But that tiny blip of something missing at 3:11 is what got me thinking about this whole direction of splicing in a different interview than they actually ran that night.

Note the dark doors, around 5 pm, when sunset comes 3 hrs later,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzyZkl4GyrM

Ivyfree

7/11/2011 02:21:08 pm

When I read Bailey's anecdote about Sarah talking about being a pregnant governor, the first thing I thought of was that Bristol was pregnant. And I remembered Levi's comment about a pregnant six-seventeen year old daughter.

It makes me wonder if there was a previous pregnancy and what happened there- is this, COULD this be, Ruffles? All we know is when the picture is dated on facebook and what Mercede says, and I do not consider Mercede unimpeachable.

Of course, Sarah may have been considering co-opting a 2006 pregnancy and then Bristol miscarried (or who died). Followed by a 2007 pregnancy, which resulted in Trig. Followed by a 2008 pregnancy. Followed by a 2010 pregnancy which culminated in Bristol's disappearance after DWTS and the phony Bristol in the interview in her Arizona house.

The thing is, I think Bristol really is stupid enough to do this. Nobody ever claimed she's bright. Combine densitude with attitude and a total ignorance of contraception and what do you get? A VP candidate with very good reason to want to hide her bimbo daughter out in the tall trees.

Wow, I thought it was strange she'd hide and lie over Bristol's 2007 pregnancy while being not the least bit reserved over her 2008 one. Imagine if there was a 2006 one too! AND the 2010 one! Even her bots might start thinking she ought to stay home and keep an eye on her daughter.

BTW, has anybody heard anything of Willow lately?

Ottoline

7/11/2011 02:39:42 pm

I looked at the short version of the video,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WATOg07FnZU

and at the 0:08 mark, for a fraction of a second, one sees a weather photo. It's hard to see, and hard to pause on, so I did a screenshot:

http://i55.tinypic.com/2m3gw79.jpg

But look, there is video editing equipment showing at left, behind the woman: that lower terminal seems to show a video in the process of being edited. Hmmmm.

The other jk

7/11/2011 02:50:51 pm

I've been reading through the comments, but they can be hard to follow, so forgive me if I'm covering already tracked territory.

Sarah Palin declared her intent to run against Murkowski in October 2005 (according to the archived stories at the ADN). She won her primary race against Murkowski in August 2006.

Frank Bailey says this conversation occurred in "early 2006."

I cannot figure out why Sarah Palin would ever make a comment like that so early in her attempt to become the governor. Bailey makes it sound like Sarah was planning to have another kid. The "sly smile" he writes about puts it above casual conversation. But, of course, would take it to mean she was was planning to cover up for someone else's pregnancy. Bristol's? I just don't see her being pregnant at a point where Sarah would be discussing the topic of a pregnant governor with Frank Bailey in "early 2006."

I guess what I'm wondering is whether Bailey purposefully fudged the timing of the comment or mistakenly placed it in early 2006. Early 2006 couldn't refer to any baby that would be born at any time in 2008 or even late 2007 if we want to believe that Trig was born a few months earlier than claimed.

I guess we might believe that her crazy Dominionist handlers were planning to fake-impregnate Sarah Palin with a DS baby two years later. Then again, I haven't bought into the idea that Trig was planted by Dominionists. I still say Sarah was covering for someone.

Bottom line, though...I don't believe anything Frank Bailey says about Sarah's pregnancy or Trig's birth. He's stated that Sarah's story is true. He either doesn't want to believe Sarah Palin would fake a pregnancy or he's still holding on to some of that blind allegiance. Maybe he's involved in the coverup in some way that wouldn't make him look too good.

That may have been rambling. It's late and I'm a little confused by all the dates. As usual, nothing is simple when it comes to the Palins and their births.

Ginger

7/11/2011 02:55:27 pm

To anyone interested in a previous KTUU program, you can contact:

Quality Services
2530 E. 16th Avenue
Anchorage, Alaska 99508

(907) 274-1056

I know because I purchased the KTUU video of Bristol practically running thru the ice/snow into the Wasilla Bible church/school on Dec. 14, 2008. It cost me $30.00 plus postage. Ask for Ruth. She was very nice and they even enlarged the footage for me.

It was worth every penny. Watching someone 8-l/2 months pregnant, who was about 10' behind her family, saw the camera and took off, was amazing. Not a waddle, folks. Not a waddle.

Ottoline

7/11/2011 03:06:32 pm

In the long version,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzyZkl4GyrM&feature=related

the weather-lady-with-editing-equipment frame is at 3:04.

rubbernecking

7/11/2011 03:21:23 pm

Bristol appears in the photos when Palin was sworn in as Gov in Dec 2006. She is very slim. AP photos here:

http://www.apimages.com/Search.aspx?st=k&remem=x&kw=palin+inauguration&intv=None&shgroup=-10&sh=10

According to news articles, Bristol was enrolled in HS in Juneau in Feb 2007.

Feb 23 2007 - Bristol is playing basketball on Juneau team.
http://juneauempire.com/stories/022307/spo_20070223034.shtml

May 18 2007 - Bristol is listed for Juneau Douglas HS honor roll.
http://juneauempire.com/stories/051807/nei_20070518007.shtml

Cracklin' Charlie

7/11/2011 03:22:17 pm

Curiouser,
Sorry if I ruffled your feathers any, I was in a hurry with my earlier comment. Hopefully you, like me, have a REAL life away from your Palin investigation and will understand if sometimes I am too short in my responses. I will try to address my earlier point shortly.
And thank you, (and Phyllis) for the information about Sarah's campaign, that info is most helpful. I also like your idea of Laura talking to Syrin. I think that a series of guest "conversations" with some of the early investigators might be very interesting, and could be fun. (Laura, that's a hint).

Now to address my earlier comment:
Sometimes it just seems to me like the evidence of this hoax is staring us right in the face. We just sometimes get too bogged down in the irrelevant details, like the bruises on Levi's thumb, or the way Sarah's jacket folds over or something.

Things we know:

Sarah Palin did not have a baby in the 21st century.

Sarah Palin's eldest daughter, by her own admission, was a promiscuous teen with minimal adult supervision. The timeline for the whereabouts of this child for the years 2006-2008 is incomplete.

We have seen photo evidence of the eldest daughter's longtime boyfriend gently cuddling two different newborn babies during the daughter's missing time, and at different stages of the teenage father's own development.

There are currently two toddlers that are living (if you could call it that) with the Palin family that would have been born during the missing time period of Bristol's timeline. There was an apparently fairly recently taken photo of the two boys (very cute) released last week.

I understand everyone's frustration, but I really think Bristol is the key. She is the one we don't have photos of, and there is a reason for that. I also think that it is very important to state as carefully as possible the dates of the different events, to the best of our ability. Like instead of saying "early 2007", saying Jan, 2007. The fact that Bristol's missing time periods (or pregnancies) each stretch over 2 calendar years adds so much to the confusion factor already, that we should be very careful when listing, or even hypothesizing, specific dates.

And what time did Frank Bailey get to the hospital? What if the baby was delivered during the wild ride or even when CBJ called Sarah that morning in Texas? Bristol could have been 24 hours post-partum when he got to the hospital. Plus, he's a man, and I can't believe he would have even noticed what Bristol was wearing! My husband saw my neighbor, a real fashion plate, at the grocery, and he came home and told me he saw her and that she was wearing Pajama Jeans TM! (they were jeggings) Men knowing what women are wearing? HA!

I think Frank is prevaricating.

Phyllis

7/11/2011 03:25:11 pm

Let me see if I can settle this about how much time Sarah spent in Juneau and Anchorage/Wasilla area between March 5
and the wee hours of the morning on April 15 when she left going to Texas.

March 5: Announced her pregnancy. Shocked a lot of people because she simply didn't look 7 months pregnant.
March 6: Flew from Juneau to Anchorage, arrived at 10:02pm so it was probably about 11pm when she got to Wasilla.
March 7: Boarded a flight in Anchorage going to Fairbanks at 12:40 pm.
March 8: Attended the Fur and Ice Reception at 4:00pm with Piper in tow. Still didn't look 7 months pregnant.
left Fairbanks for Anchorage at 7:43pm, spent the night in Wasilla.
March 9: Boarded a flight to Juneau from Anchorage at 11:05am.
March 13: Left Juneau going to Anchorage at 8:15pm, arrived at 10:02pm Spent the night in Wasilla.
March 14: 9:00am gave a speech at the Republican Convention, still didn't look pregnant. Went to the Divison of Elections with Sean and Sandy Parnell at 12:00pm. We have a nice picture that has been lightened enough that we can
still see Sarah's nice flat belly. Spent the night in Wasilla.
March 15: Watched a video presentation by John McCain at the Republican Convention in Anchorage at 1:00pm.
Spent the night in Wasilla.
March 16: Sunday, nothing on her schedule, so I guess she spent the day and that night in Wasilla.
March 17: Boarded a flight in Anchorage at 11:00pm going to Juneau.
March 20: Boarded a flight from Juneau to Anchorage at 12:15pm arrived at 2:31pm. Probably went straight to Wasilla as there wasn't anything else on her schedule except a call in interview with Dan Fagan.
March 21: Worked in the Anchorage office most of the day.Night in Wasilla.
March 22: Worked in Anch. office all day Night in Wasilla.
March 23: Easter Sunday, maybe she went to church that day in Wasilla. Had a interview with Bruce Anders in Anchorage at 6pm.Left Anchorage on a flight to Juneau at 7:52pm.
April 3: Left Juneau for Anchorage at 8:15pm, arrived at 10:02pm. night in Wasilla.
April 4: Sarah, Todd and Piper were at Wasilla Lake Christian School to give a reading that morning, in Anchorage by 1:00pm for meetings and a 2pm press conference. Boarded a flight for Juneau at 7:20pm.
April 14: Boarded a flight for Anchorage at12:15pm arrived at 2:31pm. Attended a dinner in Wasilla that was to honor military personnel at Evangelo's from 6:15pm till 8:30pm.
April 15: Left Anchorage on a flight for Seattle at 2:00am in the morning.

BlueberryT

7/11/2011 05:02:20 pm

Here is post written from old website that may be relevant to your topic. http://palindeception.blogspot.com/2009/03/so-many-discrepancies-so-little-time.html

Satori

7/11/2011 05:28:09 pm

I don't understand this post. The reference is a conversation between Frank Bailey, Sarah Palin, and "Kris" in "early 2006." ?
> She wasn't the governor in "early 2006." Inauguration was Dec. 4, 2006.
> Kris, "big as a house" comment. What's that about?

I'm lost. Does it require that one read Frank Bailey's book?

V ictoria link

7/11/2011 07:40:04 pm

I love the term "Vox Populi".

If Bristol was as unpopular as you say, you'd think someone would eventually spill the beans.

Heidi3

7/11/2011 07:44:24 pm

Viola-Alex @17:19 - Re the green sweater photo, this is the best I've ever been able to come up with:

http://www.adn.com/2008/08/29/v-gallery2/509850/sarah-palin-biography.html?/2008/08/29/v-gallery2/509852_a509987/gov-palin-gallery.html

It's attributed to the ADN photographer Marc Lester, and is noted as "taken at home in 2006, and Bristol is age 16". The ever-thorough Audrey (article in your green-sweater link above) was saying 10-23-06, or thereabouts, for the photo shoot. Bristol turned 16 on 10-18-06.

Sarah was elected Governor on 11-7-06. I've always felt this photo, and especially the date of it, could play an important role down the road as our investigation continues.

When Sarah brought up the "pregnant governor" concept to Frank Bailey, I think her devious mind was already plotting a charade, either as cover for a current problem, or for political bona-fides for herself down the road.

Bailey's book (page 209 above) says this conversation took place in "early 2006", as they were opening a new campaign office. The first Anchorage office was opened in November, 2005 (page 20), and the second in August, 2006 (page 24), as mentioned by 'rubbernecking' above. So.... which was it, Frank? If he's remembering the 8-'06 opening, Bristol could have been an age 16 newly pregnant girl, as seen in the green sweater photo, and Sarah had a problem.

And what do I think? Pure supposition - IF (repeat, IF) the 10-23-06 green sweater photo shows Bristol, say, 2 months pregnant, this would be Baby #1 if it went to term, born May, 2007? Well, where is this baby, if there is/was one? In his excellent book "Paradigm Shift: The Palin Matrix", Floyd Orr's timeline (page 85) notes that there are no travel reports for Bristol from 5-20-07, when she flies from Juneau to Anchorage, until 9-13-07 when she returns to Juneau for a photo shoot. (That would be the 9-14-07 First Family Christmas photo.) Was she taking care of a new baby, or just having summer vacation? OR, am I all wet, and we've got Bristol solidly confirmed as being in school in Juneau prior to 5-07, and NOT pregnant? Floyd's book says, "2-28-07: Bristol plays for the Juneau High School basketball team." Floyd - do you perchance have a photo?

In the 9-14-07 Christmas photo, it again appears that Bristol has a 2-3 month "bump". This belly could be the beginning of a pregnancy which resulted in very preemie Ruffles born Feb, 2008 (Baby #2), requiring NICU care until the kitchen & shower photos 5-4-08.

Since I don't think that Tripp (Baby#3) is germane to Laura's topic at hand, I won't go there right now. And of course, we have no idea what happened to the DWTS 'bump'.

Needless to say, please correct me if I've gone too far down yet another rabbit hole!

MicMac

7/11/2011 11:06:33 pm

I recall a number of emails sent from Palin to a principal to a high school in Anchorage. Do not recall the time frame. Most of the content was redacted.

molly malone

7/11/2011 11:16:44 pm

I'm still trying to wrap my head around this "home schooling" business. It is mentioned so casually, one would assume that, at the high school level, it is comparable to regular classroom instruction. In most cases, however, it is a very poor substitute and not something one does without a compelling reason.

Yet Bristol and Levi were both home schooled? Methinks there's more to that story.

rubbernecking

7/11/2011 11:22:23 pm

It appears that photographer Brian Wallace at Juneau Empire took many photos of the Palin family in the winter 2006 - Feb 2007 period.

He has the photo credit for the pictures of the Palin and her daughters moving into the Gov mansion in Dec 2006. See 3rd photo in slide show here: http://juneauempire.com/stories/082908/sta_325107260.shtml (if you hover over the photo it shows it was taken Dec 8, 2006).

He also has the credit for the basketball photo of Bristol:
http://juneauempire.com/stories/090208/sta_326628747.shtml (if you hover over the photo, it says it was taken Feb 28, 2007).

Al Grillo has the photo credit for some of the Dec 2006 inaugration pictures (e.g., http://www.apimages.com/Search.aspx?st=k&remem=x&cfas=__p&kw=&kwstyle=and&sh=10&rids=061204071072&cfas=-1)

Maybe some Wasilla teens believed a pregnancy rumor in winter 2006/07. But it does not appear the rumor was true. Maybe some of the teens didn't know their state capital was Juneau?

lftismygame link

7/12/2011 12:11:15 am

Fascinating conversation- way better than TV. (Maybe this will be a made-for-TV movie someday.)

What I wonder about is Gryphen writing (more than once) that Bristol is not Trig's mother. Does he still say that? Does he mean just the current Trig, or all the Trigs? And what about that cryptic, "Trig was Tripp before he was Trigg." Was it Mercede who said that? Is it true and if so, what does it mean?

I think I need to take a walk in the garden. My brain hurts.

Viola-Alex

7/12/2011 12:34:45 am

Great comments!

@Cracklin Charlie. "Longtime boyfriend" (Levi) imo is the spin. Audrey believed that Levi was a patsy. That he became part of Palin myth as part of a young, devoted couple who'd been together 3 years-- and that Levi and Bristol didn't start a relationship until Summer 2007.

Bristol's book also hammers this as a longterm relationship. "In seventh grade, I met a guy named Levi." Levi her longtime love is a theme of the book. THis is the only way to counteract rumors of her sluthood.

Re: Bailey's comment. Word choice does matter. Yes, to commenter who noted SP's "sly smile." And Bailey's careful comment, "Could she have calculated the public relations advantages. . ."

IMO those words tell us alot. Why put this in if you don't want to point to Trig as an "advantage" or to Sarah as being devious?

We may not be able to trust the date, but the sentiment is unmistakeable.

Finally, there seems to be lots of proof of Bristol in Juneau, playing basketball, on honor roll. IT made me wonder if she hadn't been dragged there, away from trouble in Wasilla, after something like a pregnancy, so Sarah could keep an eye on her.

As we know, any "facts" can be faked. Sarah totally controlled the AK media.

Photos do not lie. I'd love to see a post on the dates of Green Sweater and Family Christmas, where Bristol has unmistakeable pregnancy bellies.

Laura Novak link

7/12/2011 01:57:11 am

Ottoline, THANK YOU for finding that Gusty live shot. I have saved it and think it's worth laying some things to rest over. I'll post separately. Thank you again!

Okay, and who posted the previous Audrey thread? I'll comb through comments, but that might be worth looking at again. All her info was spot on.

curiouser

7/12/2011 02:19:43 am

Cracklin' Charlie - Thanks for checking on my feathers -- none were ruffled. Your reaction came across as humorous and I had to laugh rereading my comment and seeing how I failed to write what I was thinking. Now...back atcha:

"Sarah Palin did not have a baby in the 21st century."

There's a 10-year old girl in Wasilla who would dispute that claim.

rubbernecking

7/12/2011 02:28:35 am

@Cracklin' Charlie & @Satori, I noticed you both asked for the identity of "Kris" in the book excerpt. It refers to Kris Perry, one of Palin's closest aides.

The excerpt is from Chapter 22, which is titled "Accusation Spaghetti" in Bailey's book. Bailey uses the phrase "accusation spaghetti" to describe Todd Palin's obsession with punishing his former brother-in-law Mike Wooten. Bailey describes Todd as believing "if we hurled enough accusation spaghetti against the wall, something might stick" and get Wooten fired from his job.

Later in the chapter, Bailey describes how Palin broke the news of her alleged pregnancy to her closest staffers (Ivy Frye, Kris Perry, and Bailey) by sending them an email from Seattle. He describes the reaction of her shocked staff. Bailey quotes an email that Kris sends about Palin's "big as house" comment; the email says "I just saw you and you most certainly are not." (The full description begins a page or two earlier than what you see in this excerpt.)

Good news: Bailey confirms that a woman staffer with very close access to Palin is shocked by the pregnancy news. He quotes Kris Perry using her own email. It's pretty hard to argue this away. Women who had 3-D access to Palin did not see a pregnancy. Nobody can blame camera angles for Kris Perry's shock.

Bad news: Bailey claims to recall a conversation with Palin from "early 2006" that occurred "in the campaign office shortly after it was open before things got busy." The description of this time period doesn't match up with other descriptions in the book. He tells us they opened an office in Nov 2005 and Aug 2006. In Ch 3, he writes working 12-hour days in Jan 2006 for the campaign.

Would Bailey respond to a request for more information about this conversation? He may have emails or calendars of the campaign open house events that could more accurately date when this conversation might have occurred.

If Bailey's memory is correct, I found it interesting that the conversation was NOT about a "baby in the mansion" but instead about a "pregnant governor" and the "first governor to have a baby." If Bailey's memory is correct, it is a very unflattering description of Palin. She is not considering an adoption or a foster child--she is considering the PR value of being pregnant and giving birth as a governor. Yikes. If true, it's far more disturbing than covering up for a daughter's pregnancy.

Bailey also writes about Palin's mood swings, strange decision-making, and nonchalance about her career's effect on her kids.

Ivyfree

7/12/2011 02:29:34 am

I've wondered about Bailey ever since I read his statement that he saw Bristol in the hospital on April 18, 2008, and says that Bristol had not given birth that day. Then he says, basically, that this is all he has to say.

But it's been a long time since anyone suggested Bristol gave birth that day- the falsity of Trig's official birthdate has been widely acknowledged for a couple of years now.

(It's like the editor of ADN saying, "CBJ never brought a lawyer to the office for an interview." It's what I've started to think of as an Alaska lie (no fair, I know- others do it too)- something that they can announce categorically that is technically true, but misleading.)

It makes me wonder what Bailey is concealing. If he honestly believes that Sarah was pregnant with Trig, there is nothing to prevent him from addressing the issue boldly and writing that he saw nothing that indicates she wasn't pregnant, nothing that tweaked his curiosity at that time, nothing that made this father of- is it four?- think, wow, that's weird. If true, why not say it? If he's proven wrong about Trig's birth, he can just say that he wasn't paying a whole lot of attention, figuring that a pregnancy is a private matter and while he was pleased for Sarah and Todd, he was there to do a job, and just didn't pick up on clues. He could simply say, "there's a story going around that Sarah wasn't actually pregnant, but I saw her frequently and to me she did look pregnant, not that I was actually watching her waistline." He doesn't say that. He remarks about Bristol not having given birth that day and drops the subject, end of discussion. That is, in itself, weird.

Either he wants to debunk the story that Sarah didn't give birth, or he doesn't. Why even bring it up if he's not going to go into it a bit more fully?

What he's done is make me more curious than ever about Bristol. Bristol is the only subject that he's shown any reticence over. Bristol, he writes, is a sweet, innocent girl. It nearly breaks his heart when he finds out about the Tripp pregnancy. He wants to protect Bristol. He always writes about Bristol in a flattering tone. Even when he talks about the Tripp pregancy, it's all a terrible misfortune that Bristol is bravely dealing with.

But Bristol isn't, and wasn't, a sweet, innocent girl. Not for years. Nobody talks about her that way, and her remaining Facebook comments indicate that she didn't act that way. So it makes me wonder about a few things. Why is Bailey so protective of Bristol? Does he see her as being in need of protection, and why does he ignore the fact that her parents clearly weren't on the job with her?

Is it just that he feels she ought to have been protected from herself more? Chaperoned? Supervised? Is it just that he feels a teenage girl is something sacred? (Those fundies have weird attitudes about purity and girls and suchlike nonsense.)

His whole attitude is weird. This is the biggest mystery about Sarah: where did Trig come from. I don't understand his attitude UNLESS somehow, he was complicit, or thinks he could be seen as complicit. (In what? Nobody's suggested that anything about the pregnancy is illegal. Dishonest, yes; illegal, no.)

Bailey's book reads to me like someone who is still trying to convince himself he's doing the right thing. If Sarah hadn't treated him like crap, he'd still be there- it never mattered to him how dishonest she was or how she treated others. He didn't get out until she made it clear he wasn't coming back. He yearns over Bristol's sweet innocence, gag me.

I wonder, and here I know I'm speculating, whether Bailey knows a lot more than he's telling and he's holding it back- in case Sarah ever apologizes to him or wants him back. I wonder if this section of his book is written to tell Sarah that ultimately, he's still loyal to her. Or whether he believes Trig's birth mother to be Bristol, but not from April 18. Is he protecting Bristol? Or Sarah? Or himself? Or all three?

FactChecker49

7/12/2011 02:42:28 am

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Rationalist

7/12/2011 02:56:20 am

Regarding "Trig was Tripp before he was Trig":

That (now nearly iconic) statement was not a clue planted by someone in the know. It was a theory by a commenter (I'm sorry - I don't remember who) at IM, to which Gryphen replied along the lines "That's the closest description I've seen so far."

It was when we were discussing the "three babies" theory for the first time.

If you're interested, here are a couple comment threads where we were discussing it.

http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/11/sarah-palins-faked-pregnancy-more_05.html#disqus_thread

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2009/11/insider-panel-grills-levi-on-trig.html?commentPage=2

lilly lily

7/12/2011 03:01:38 am

I read a blurb on the writer of Bristol Palins book. A Tennessee mother who went to live with the Palin family, and stayed in the Chateau addition. Ate with the family at dinner and traveled with them.

She claims that Sarah would have preferred Bristol not include that part where her virginity was stolen at the age of 15. But Bristol insisted on an honest overview of what happened to her.

At least from her "victim" perspective.

She worte that Bristol notified her that the book was going to be on the NY Times best seller list. I haven't checked.

She considers Todd to be the most impressive Palin, and thinks Sarah is a good mother to Trig, and Piper is sweet.

ivyfree

7/12/2011 03:30:28 am

"Bailey's book (page 209 above) says this conversation took place in "early 2006", as they were opening a new campaign office. The first Anchorage office was opened in November, 2005 (page 20), and the second in August, 2006 (page 24), as mentioned by 'rubbernecking' above. So.... which was it, Frank?"

It depends on why he wrote "early 2006." To me,"early" means "in the first half," but not January/February as that is more likely "early in the New Year..." I wouldn't consider August being early 2006" unless it's edited down from "early Fall, 2006." I can see August being considered Early Fall. And that fits in nicely with the green sweater picture which, I'm sorry, just looks like a pregnant belly to me.

"Floyd Orr's timeline (page 85) notes that there are no travel reports for Bristol from 5-20-07, when she flies from Juneau to Anchorage, until 9-13-07 when she returns to Juneau for a photo shoot. (That would be the 9-14-07 First Family Christmas photo.) Was she taking care of a new baby, or just having summer vacation?"

She left Juneau, but since we have no travel records from Anchorage on, it doesn't mean she didn't travel somewhere. We tend to think if there are no State Government travel records that travel didn't occur. She could have gone anywhere from Anchorage.

Cracklin' Charlie

7/12/2011 04:30:53 am

Curiouser,
I thought the Piper was born in 1999. Sorry, my bad. The dates are easy to trip over.
Phyllis,
Great timeline on Sarah. I doubt that an expectant mother could handle that schedule. I am not sure that I could, and I am not pregnant.
rubberneckin,
Thanks for the info on Kris, I thought that was who he was talking about. With Kris being one of her closest advisers, I would think her strongly stated suspicion that Sarah was not pregnant, would be quite a strong argument against Sarah being pregnant.
ivyfree,
good points about Bailey's observations and possible motives. I was thinking last night that maybe Frank just wanted to cash in a little off of his association with Sarah, and he needed to do it quickly before the real information came out. Either he didn't have any real information, or he didn't want to give it up, but just sell enough books to make a little money. It brings to my mind Sarah's comment to him that if she were on the McCain ticket and they won, they could all get the H out of this place, meaning Alaska. I think they all wanted out, and wanted to be players in Washington, D.C.

lilly lily

7/12/2011 04:59:15 am

I wonder if Sarah Palins triple DDD's on the Newsweek cover are as false as her Pregnancy belly with Trigg.

She is sooooo cheesey and tacky.

If she was a man she would be stuffing her Jockey shorts.

rubbernecking

7/12/2011 05:05:24 am

Bailey has a couple of less than flattering Bristol recollections:

Troopergate: Despite being Todd's hit man in Troopergate, Bailey didn't learn key facts until Wooten released his personnel file in Sept 2008. Notably, Bailey learned that Bristol was an instigator when Wooten tasered his 10-yr old stepson. Wooten's stepson told police investigators that he asked to be tasered to prove to his cousin Bristol that we was not a mama's boy. (p 181)

Swearing: Bailey discussed Bristol swearing and Palin's lack of reaction to it. (p 52)

Negative Campaigning: Bailey mentioned Bristol's support for negative ads calling them "free publicity." Willow was opposed.(p 137)

DWTS: He mentioned poll rigging that helped Bristol reach the finals in DWTS. (p 205)

He makes it very clear how quickly rumors spread about Bristol once Palin announced her pregnancy in Mar 2008. He acknowledges that Palin "resisted releasing medical records that would have quashed the story" (p 260).

Bailey is the father of two kids. I don't know their ages but he may also be concerned about protecting their privacy when they navigate their teen years.

bristoltheeternallypregnant

7/12/2011 05:30:32 am

Fall 2006 green sweater photo of Bristol has always been the smoking gun for me -- of an earlier pregnancy than Trig, methinds.

Cracklin' Charlie

7/12/2011 05:55:36 am

In the picture of Bristol in the Juneau basketball uniform, she does not look sixteen years old. I think that she looks about 14, at most. But certainly not the age of her green sweater picture. There she does look 16.

rubbernecking

7/12/2011 07:12:13 am

@Cracklin' Charlie, have you looked at any of the inauguration photos from Dec 2006?

There's a CSPAN video of Palin's Dec 4, 2006 inaugration speech here: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/AmericanPolitics26

If you go to the 42:50 spot on the video, you'll see Palin greeting her family and will see a close-up profile of Palin's daughters. Bristol appears very skinny.

lftismygame link

7/12/2011 07:15:37 am

Thanks Rationalist for the clarification and trip down memory lane. Hard to believe this conversation has been going on so long!

FrostyAK

7/12/2011 07:29:24 am

On Bailey : We must remember that he is a member of a VERY fundy church. He is also a 'social conservative'. In a well written piece by Leah Burton (God's Own Party), she explains that 'social conservative' = Dominionist.

No matter WHAT Frank knows or doesn't know, he will not go against his training/beliefs/indoctrination as a dominionist. When you think of fundy churches in AK, think CULT. The Anchorage Baptist Temple is a fine example of such cultism.

Phyllis

7/12/2011 07:52:03 am

Fall 2007 - Bristol sez she goes to Anchorage to live w/ Molly. West Anchorage High. Sees Levi often. She says LEVI homeschooled. reason: she didn't want to go back to Juneau and her parents wouldn't let her live alone in Wasilla.

NY Daily News Sept.1, 2008
Mark Okeson, the assistant principal at Wasilla High School, told the Chicago Tribune that Bristol started her junior year last fall, in the town where Sarah Palin grew up.

He said Bristol inexplicably transferred to an Anchorage high school midyear, leaving Levi behind.

"I never heard the story why," he said.

Kinda looks like Bristol never knew about this interview.
I'd take the word of the assistant principal any day over Bristols.

Bristol was going to take summer school classes to make up for something in the 2007/2008 school year.
Sarah talked about it in a Mar.2008 email.

Ferry Fey

7/12/2011 08:00:34 am

Are there articles that would mention Bristol's participation in other basketball games, in the text rather than pictures?

rubbernecking

7/12/2011 09:07:44 am

@Ferry Fey, there's at least one article that mentions Bristol's participation in a Juneau basketball game:

http://juneauempire.com/stories/022307/spo_20070223034.shtml

This article says she scored 2 pts in a JV game on Friday 2/23/2007 against Ketchikan HS.

voiceinwind

7/12/2011 09:33:18 am

Great post, Laura.

Screechy wants to be president. She said so herself while she was on the city council in Wasilla. She was studying her John Birch Society materials at her government desk.

http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2009/08/bag-archive-edition-early-signs-of-sarah-palins-radical-agenda/

Screechy's work experience was weak. No doubt, she knew or was told she did not have enough work experience to be considered for the GOP VP slot. She ran for governor as a pro-life candidate and was probably networking with many pro-life activists and groups at that time. So Baily's revelation that screechy mentioned the PR of a pregnant governor in early 2006 makes me think the wheels were already turning in screechy's head to deceive before she was elected governor. She knew she needed a gimmick to override her poor resume and land that GOP VP slot. I do not believe she was contemplating a cover up for her daughter at that time. I think the daughter looked five months pregnant in the early fall of 2007, but I am not sure the daughter is the mother of Trig. Because the timing was just too perfect for a baby diagnosed with Tri-G to be put into screechy's hands just in time so she could parade out on the national stage as a motherhood icon and GOP VP pick with pro-life groups and pro-life voters cheering. And the baby was just old enough that nobody complained when she took him on a two month long campaign trail. How perfect was that?

Maybe the daughter has been covering up her mother's hoax all along.

Anyway, great post and a lot of great comments! I'm still pondering....

rubbernecking

7/12/2011 09:39:26 am

Very, very interesting Jun 2007 email about school enrollment here: http://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/6053.pdf

In this email, the staffer who manages the Gov's Mansion apologizes to Palin about rumors that Palin's kids will enroll in Wasilla instead of Juneau for the upcoming 2007/2008 school year. Palin claims Willow was threatened by a girl in Juneau school.

It appears that ALL three girls switch school districts a couple of times:

==================================
2006/2007 School Year

Fall in Wasilla: All Palin girls attend school in Wasilla.
Spring in Juneau : Palin girls attend school in Juneau after election (Juneau-Douglas HS, Dzantik'i Heeni Middle School, Harborview Elementary).

This Empire story also confirms Palin enrolled daughters in Juneau schools in Jan 2007: http://juneauempire.com/stories/010907/loc_20070109013.shtml

==================================
2007/2008 School Year

Fall in Wasilla - All Palin girls start school in Wasilla.
* Sep 2007 House Mgr sends frozen food to Wasilla. http://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/18498.pdf
* Sep 2007 Willow invites Juneau House Mgr to watch Bristol's Powder puff game (girls' football) in Wasilla. http://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/18512.pdf

Spring in Juneau - Willow and Piper return to Juneau schools: Dzantiki'i and Harborview.
Spring in Anchorage - Bristol enrolls at West Anchorage.
* Bristol Anchorage Email - http://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/11837.pdf
* Willow now happy to return to DZ (Dzantiki'i Heeni Middle School). http://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/10895.pdf
* Piper gets a mention in the 1st grade newsletter. http://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/12002.pdf

Summer: In March 2008 Sarah says Bristol will attend summer school. http://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/13900.pdf

Do people typically know about summer school in March? Also startling, Bristol goes from making honor roll to needing summer school in one calendar year.

==================================
2008/2009 School Year

Fall: Presidential Campaign. Do any of the girls attend school in this semester? Is everyone home-schooling?

Spring: Bristol graduates Wasilla High in May 2009. Not sure where Willow and Piper attend school this semester.

===================================
Additional support for claim that Palins moving kids to and from Juneau schools:

http://juneauempire.com/stories/122009/loc_537591017.shtml

V ictoria link

7/12/2011 02:57:46 pm

So, the circumstantial evidence indicates that Bristol - assuming she is the mother of Trig - gave birth some time after she transferred to Anchorage and before the 2/23/08 basketball game.

rubbernecking

7/14/2011 11:50:14 pm

@Victoria, we have evidence Bristol played basketball in Juneau in Feb 2007 and Wasilla Powder Puff (flag football) in Sep 2007. The West Anchorage enrollment was winter 2008.

My links are in response to the "Vox Populi" rumors in Laura's main post. AK sources told Laura that Wasilla teens discussed rumors of a Bristol pregnancy in late 2006, early 2007. This is more than a year before Sarah Palin publicly announced her pregnancy in March 2008. There's evidence these Vox Populi rumors about Bristol were false (i.e., gossip occurred but it wasn't true).

The investigation is a work-in-progress. Someone provides a tip or lead which may or may not be relevant or true.

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