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Playboy On Palin

8/24/2011

345 Comments

 
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A good friend took one for the team and went to three stores before he could plunk down $6 plus tax for the September issue of Playboy magazine. (thank you, dear friend.)

My expectation was that there would be the Mercede Johnston interview and photos, in addition to a separate and lengthier profile of the Palins.

Not the case. The Palin profile was wrapped around the Sadie interview, many of her better quotes already posted online.

But unless I missed something earlier, nothing prepared me for the small photo on the opening page of the article. The photo of Sarah wearing the sweatshirt, bending over Sadie who is holding - according to this caption - Tripp.  It is the baby most of us have called “Ruffles” and who has been identified as Trig, about two weeks old, in the Palin’s kitchen during Levi’s birthday celebration.  

Now, I’ve written for the NYTs and seen people wrongly identified on photo captions on my stories. That misinformation comes from the photographer on my shoot. It is their responsibility to get and cross check the ID’s on people in photos. When a mistake is made, a correction is later appended online.

In this case, since the photo was already in existence, my guess is that it is the reporter’s duty to get the names straight. Then it’s the responsibility of either an editor or a fact checker to make sure the writer got his facts straight.

So, either standards aren’t what they used to be, or Sadie told them that ruffled ear baby is Tripp.

The rest of the interview and article contains some new information, but little that will inform anyone’s opinion of Mrs. Todd Palin.  Here is my takeaway:

-  Sadie’s mom has scurvy and has had 30 operations.

-  Bristol was dating Gino at the time this was reported (winter)

-  According to Sadie, Bristol is “psycho, a sociopath.”  “Her mental insecurities are bad.”

-  A text from Bristol to Sherry Johnston included Bristol allegedly calling Levi’s mother a “fucking bitch” and “you stupid bitch.” 

-  The writer asks a guy if he finds Sarah sexy:  “No, I’d rather pork my old lady.”

-  A bar fly points to the place where he alleges to have seen lines of coke snorted by the non sexy one.

-  Sadie and her friend allege that there are privately owned videos of Bristol “making out with guys” and Sadie says “I have some stuff.”

-  Sadie claims that Bristol has had two boob jobs, 3 chin surgeries and “something else done after Tripp was born.” (not sure which Tripp she’s talking about.)

-  Todd is “so whipped.”

-  Sarah’s whole mama grizzly thing is “so retarded.”

-  One of Sarah’s supporters in the bar says that her liberal detractors are “trying to take the country down. Trying to make us join the European Union.”   (not making this up.)

-  The pot in Wasilla is “great” and it’s the Chlamydia capital of Alaska.

-  Wasilla is “where it’s at.”  (does ANYONE speak correct English up there?)

-  Another local expressed little faith in Sarah because she quit as governor. “She’s a total idiot. Dude, she’s over. She’s done with.”

All in all, it was a lot of “I” journalism, about how the locals reacted to the writer and his impressions of how cold it was.

I learned nothing new other than that you can get scurvy in modern day America (not sure about the European Union) and as far as I could see - and my friend warned me of this - there was nothing of import in this article. It was all about Sadie’s T & A …oh, and that photo caption about Tripp.

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B
8/24/2011 08:37:08 am

Could be a typo. Commenters on these blogs have often made the same mistake. Gryphen should ask Sadie.

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lilly lily
8/24/2011 09:19:48 am

I have no intention of buying Playboy or reading the article. Thanks for telling us the gist of the article.

I heard it was the usual T and A with toasty warm wood fires in a stone fireplaces. Hunting Lodge land. Nothing new. We have plenty of Hunting and Ski Lodges out east also.

Waiting to see if Levi and Joe tell his readers anything we don't already know. I doubt that Joe realizes how very well versed many of his readers are in Palins misdeeds. The public might be shocked at her actions, I doubt if any here will be at all shocked.

As far as Mrs Johnstons pain, who knows how much anyone else suffers with pain. She looks attractive and serene in her photos, so I can assume her pain is adequately controlled with her meds. I leave that to her doctors ministrations.

A National rag is running with what is in the article. Cocaine use by Sarah, etc.

Otherwise is doesn't seem to be making any waves.

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FrostyAK
8/24/2011 09:24:50 am

No matter what the truth is about that picture, the Wasilla Grifters will deny it.

Scurvy? Scurvy is caused by lack of Vit C - something very easy to supplement. Vit C can also be given by injection if necessary. Operations due to scurvy, or what? I think that is another typo or mis-statement. Them thar Wasillabillies ain't too much fer researchin'.

Will be interested to see what Gryphen has to say, after he has recovered his senses from the photos.

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Molly
8/24/2011 09:54:58 am

That is not Tripp.

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Dis Gusted
8/24/2011 10:05:27 am

The kitchen photo tagged Tripp would explain "Tripp was Trig before he was Tripp".


Whatever. One thing for sure - SP did not give birth to TriG. TriG was not born on 4/18/8. Nobody knows when Tripp was really born. My local news said he was born 12/18/08 and showed SP bending over a crib.... They "don't know" how that footage was put out there, but it was a "mistake".

Like all things Palin - you have to read between the lines and go in the opposite direction to get to the truth.

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Beaglemom
8/24/2011 10:17:13 am

Obviously not worth $6.00 or the paper the article is printed on. The Alaskan education system leaves a lot to be desired. Not one of these young people, Bristol, Levi, Mercede (or any of the Palin parents) is capable of speaking coherently. They all need job training of some sort so that they become employable once the media finally decides to drop Sarah Palin.

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Brad Scharlott
8/24/2011 10:41:16 am

Is there any possible way that could be Tripp?

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Gryphen link
8/24/2011 10:42:26 am

I have just sent Sadie a text asking her about the picture.

I doubt she told them that was Tripp or she has some splainin to do.

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Gryphen link
8/24/2011 10:47:05 am

I just got a text from Sadie.

She said she corrected them twice but they still put the wrong baby's name.

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Laura Novak link
8/24/2011 10:53:16 am

Thanks, Gryphen. Good to know. So, even a magazine with months to proof and correct, and this is what they do? Did that writer know NOTHING of the controversy and the coverage by the bloggers? Really?

Thanks again for clarifying that, Gryphen.

(And tell Sadie that my friend (male, 50) thought she was gorgeous.)

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jeff
8/24/2011 10:58:14 am


Who knows for sure?

All I do know is that should be the only picture of Sarah Palin that ever graces the pages of Playboy. I shudder to think otherwise. Ewwww

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Olivia
8/24/2011 11:02:03 am

I hope you saw the posts over at IM about how, as pissed as Sarah is at Gryphen, she is scared to death of you, Laura. Congratulations!

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Jet
8/24/2011 11:05:56 am

Just realized I have the Sept. Playboy sitting on my desk. I haven't had time to look at it. I will make time now. Perhaps the picture of Mercedes, Sarah, and baby was mislabeled by someone at the magazine ON PURPOSE. They may be knowledgeable about the baby hoax and mislabeled it on purpose. An inside joke so to speak.

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JR
8/24/2011 11:14:38 am

I agree with lilly lily. I don't think Joe has any idea how much Sarah Palin information has been gleaned in the past three years on Palin's Deceptions, Palingates, Immoral Minority, Bree, Politicalgates and Litbrit blogs. Laura, as a relatively new contributor, I am sure you see as I do - people know exactly where to direct you or your readers for information on items that have already been discussed. Unless details that finally expose Babygate are disclosed in the upcoming books there won't be much new for many of us to see.
On the other hand, there is a huge market of people who have no idea what Sarah Palin has pulled. From housegate to dairygate to the Alaska fund trust - Sarah has been scamming and grifting for years and to those who wish to expose her - I say the more the merrier.

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Jbj
8/24/2011 11:25:30 am

Hmmm, isn't this the second time this baby name/photo switch mistake has happened to Sadie? The first time this happened was when Sadie and her mom were interviewed on the Tyra Banks show early spring 2009.

Love Gryph and the Johnstons, but the Palin craziness makes me question everything.

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Viola-Alex
8/24/2011 11:40:40 am

Let's give Laura a big round of applause! Hip hip hooray! And now one for Brad! Hip hip hooray! No matter who wrote the Anon posts on IM, at least they recognize the quality-- and earnestness of your work! If Sarah isn't afraid of you, Laura, she damn well should be, because you are a smart, educated, persistent woman, who does not quit.

(If you haven't read these intriguing Anon comments, zip over to IM an look for the post on Nick Broomfield. Read away!)

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Laura Novak link
8/24/2011 11:52:30 am

She should be afraid of me. I use subjects and verbs in my sentences.

:-)

Thanks for that, Viola-Alex. That's true. If I were a quitter, my son would not be alive today.

Now, wonder what else Anon at IM has in his/her bag of tricks?

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Ivyfree
8/24/2011 12:03:41 pm

Laura's superpower: correctly spoken and written English! Annihilating the Palins with a single transitive clause! Look! Up in the sky! It's a noun! It's a pronoun! NO, it's a ADJECTIVE! :::sound of trumpets:::

Seriously, I think we're getting pretty close to "breaking" open this thing. I, too, have been reading the anonymous comments that are so detailed and sound so... right. I don't like to get very excited about anonymous comments. Especially anonymous comments from people who claim that Sarah already knows who they are but can't do anything to them. If that's the case, then there's no reason the commenter can't email Gryphen, or you, Laura, or Patrick, with his or her bona fides.

But I will admit that a lot of what this person says sounds like it could be right. And I do think Sarah is close to a meltdown. There's a lot of stuff heading for her in September. She's not going to have time to retreat and rally before the next blow. And the older she gets, the more she decompensates.

I live in hope. Someday, I may actually see her fall apart on stage in front of a huge audience and about sixty cameras broadcasting around the world- or at least to the Internet, which amounts to the same thing.

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jeff
8/24/2011 12:03:44 pm


Much Respeck to ya, Laura (as we say in my 'hood).

I s'pose I should 'fess up. I, also, too, find that subject-verb agreement thing you do to be pretty harrowing.



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Susan in MD
8/24/2011 01:16:21 pm

Laura, thanks for reading and recapping the Sadie Playboy profile.

This article doesn't sound at all like it was hyped up to be. I might have misunderstood but I was expecting more after Gryphen's declaration that Sadie was making the great sacrifice of taking off her clothes in order to get the "truth" about the Palins out to as many people as possible. What you've recapped from the article sounds like a bunch of back-yard trash talk.

Do you think perhaps the writer just decided to do a hillbilly hatchet job on them rather than make them sound halfway intelligent? I agree that the way this information is slanted that it won't sway many opinions and will be easily dismissed and possibly even ridiculed by many.

I still say good for Sadie for taking the monetary opportunity and I hope the connections she makes opens doors for her and that she takes them and RUNS!

Thanks again Laura. I really enjoy your blog.

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Cracklin Charlie
8/24/2011 01:39:31 pm

Brad,

I think that baby could only be Tripp, if it was taken when it was said to have been taken. The hospital baby (looks like Trig) could not have grown that much smaller in the three or so weeks between the dates of those photos.

I think Trig was born sometime in late summer/early fall of 2007, and Tripp was born prematurely in April of 2008. Levi's green shirt hospital picture and Bristol's pregnant hockey puck photo both reflect (to me) people in Alaska summer, so I think those are photos of them with Trig, and the kitchen baby photo shows (to me) people dressed for Alaska spring, so that would be them with Tripp. Not that their manner of dress is my only consideration, just listing photos that I can feel fairly certain were left out of Sarah's "vetting" (scrubbing) process, so those photos are less suspect to me, having not been used as "evidence" by the Palins.

I just really can't see this mean, spiteful, manipulative woman letting any children grow up at her house that she doesn't have to allow to live there. For that reason, the oldest two babies must have been born to Bristol, as Sarah was not pregnant in 2008, per photo evidence.

The first time I posted my theory on IM, within an hour someone referred to my post. Their comment was that anyone that would think that Trig and Tripp were only 8 months apart was a dumbass. I was a little shocked at first, since most people in this neighborhood are fairly polite, and I hadn't been called a dumbass since the tenth grade, a while ago.

But then I thought, well even in the "official" story line, the babies are supposedly only eight months apart, so who is really the dumbass here?

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Cracklin Charlie
8/24/2011 01:41:52 pm

Ivyfree,

Sorry to be so dense, but would you mind explaining what you mean by Sarah decompensating? I don't understand that term.
Thanks!

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emrysa
8/24/2011 02:07:27 pm

thank you for the synopsis, laura. I must admit I got a few good laughs from it. scurvy, though? that's sad and strange, although I guess citrus isn't exactly common in ak (I grew up in fl, so citrus is part of my regular diet, and a requirement, frankly). I am about the same age as sherry, I can't imagine having 30 operations and scurvy by this age. I have sympathy for her, and the whole family really, having come in contact with the disease known as the palins.

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Gindy53
8/24/2011 09:33:18 pm

FrostyAK, Maybe they misquoted Sadie and the scurvy should be shingles. If they can get the tag line for a photo wrong after being told twice, they can easily screw up a disease. What a decline in quality for that magazine, they need to hire real writers not just hacks.

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V ictoria link
8/24/2011 10:51:12 pm

@Ivyfree - what anonymous comments? Over at Gryphen's IM? Because my browser doesn't like that website so they're very hard for me to read.

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lilly lily
8/25/2011 12:43:10 am

While Mercede is quite an attractive girl, I see attractive girls every single day. We have them by the hundreds, see them coming and going, tanned and blond, with long legs in Daisy Duke shorts. Very in this summer season of 2011.

Saw one as I checked out at the supermarket this morning with my Ginger Gold apples, Playboy quality attractive with a locket aimed at her very nice girls, which were showing slightly tanned and perfect in a discreet way. LOL. I'm sure men enjoy these displays.

I was looking at the rag that features Mercede and her tidbits. What is funny is how they repeat what Mercede says and then say how outraged Mama Grizzly is.
They Have it both ways. They repeat the allegations and cluck over poor Sarah Palins motherly rage. Anti drug, so of course she doesn't do cocaine. Her son has just sired a baby and has a spotless record in the army how dare anyone diss him.

There is a Valley Girl(California)style of speaking. You must remember? "HELLO?" It is soooo in or out.

WHATEVER is my absolute fav. Also that old one, HOW GROSS.

So Wasilla is where it's at? Great, let it stay there.

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Viola-Alex
8/25/2011 12:51:57 am

Sorry my head got turned by all that IM brouhaha yesterday. As to the post at hand, the mislabeling of the photo (and Playboy's lack of fact-checking) represents Brad's thesis and the current American mindset, imo. Which is: carelessness.

Playboy couldn't care less about accuracy. The writer couldn't care less about writing and researching. The reader couldn't care less about anything Mercede has to say. The American people couldn't care less about accuracy.

The only baby the article references is Tripp, therefore the baby has to be Tripp.

The only photo of Mercede and Sarah is this one, and since SP is the 2nd most important draw after M's T&A, then the photo must be run. Making the baby Trig is just messy.

Who cares?

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Comeonpeople
8/25/2011 12:52:24 am

Mind you this is the same photo that the Daily Mail had captioned as Sadie holding Bristols son trig........i wish the games qould stop . And it shouldnt be that gard to identify a premie with deformed ears..... And his mother.

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lilly lily
8/25/2011 02:19:34 am

Anon at IM says Sarah was sure the jig was up when the nail in the coffin picture of her was posted at Audrys. Now that was a while back, a long while back. So anon has been around a while.

Staplenose? Y'all know who that is. But she was out of the picture with a snide remark about her daughter hiding her blackberry. Then a bit of brown nosing in the Undefeated.

A relation? Who has watched all her fits and rages?

At one point she mentions working for Sarah. One of the clerks working on her PAC?

Can't be Kristen. She has too many skeletons of her own.

She says Sarah knows who she is and can do nothing about it?

A Palin by marriage? Someone Sarah screwed over? Someone who might resent Todd being used over and over again for the benefit of a bitch on wheels? Someone who doesn't benefit at all, but who knows the day of reckoning will come eventually.

I wonder what family members such as Faye do think of the farce going on.

They aren't all stupid.





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Molly
8/25/2011 02:31:35 am

I wonder if it is John Bitney. Didn't his wife Debbie work for Palin?

I'm assuming the Anon is legitimate, but who knows. He/she has a good sense of humour.

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Ivyfree
8/25/2011 02:38:25 am

Commenting on break, will keep it brief. Anonymous comments I referred to were at IM.

"Decompensating"- term used when coping mechanisms start failing. Sarah lives with a lot of stress and undoubtedly has her coping mechanisms for dealing with it- she used to claim that it was running, haven't heard her talking about running in a while.

Whatever she uses to help her get through the stress of her life- pills, whining, exercise (ha!), nailbiting, Bailey's- all these are examples of coping behaviors that she uses to keep functional- they help her compensate for emotional stress. Pile enough stress on, though, and whatever mechanisms she uses aren't enough. Symptoms get worse and worse, and other, less socially acceptable anxiety-compensates are tried- that's involuntarily, of course. As her coping mechanisms, the compensates, break down, this is called decompensating.

Her anxiety will become more apparent and her behavior will become more bizarre and extreme.

Mind you, it'll take a while. But I'm one of those who believes that Sarah is more than just NPD- I think she's bipolar. If she is, there will be bigger swings in her behavior. Her highs will be more manic and her lows will be more severe. She'll become less functional. It will be even more noticeable.

Hope this makes it more clear. I should point out that I am not a psychiatric nurse, I've just had the basics.

An example of decompensating would be, say, somebody who is in grief. A family member dies, and the person experiencing grief copes by forcing her attention on the mechanics of daily life and organizing a funeral. Then they get to the funeral and there's nothing ahead of her, after the get-together/food thing, but going home alone. Suddenly she starts crying and the tears escalate to screaming hysterics. That would be an example of decompensating. The coping mechanism of attention to organizing details has gone away, and she rapidly decompensates and her behavior escalates until it's out of control.

I'm not talking about grief with Sarah, of course, I just used that for an example. Basically, stressors continue but coping mechanisms fail and behavior becomes more extreme.
Oh gods, my break's over-

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Viola-Alex
8/25/2011 02:38:35 am

@Victoria: RE IM mystery comments. Starting on Tues night, an Anon commenter began leaving long, detail-filled comments about Sarah and her household. These comments were left at the end of two different posts on Nick Broomfield and Steve Menard. (I think I've got that right) Today, somebody has copied a few of the comments onto the Karl Rove post here

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/karl-rove-double-dog-dares-sarah-palin.html

The best part of one of the comments was the news that Sarah fears Laura and her blog most of all! (more than gryphen and IM) which may explain His Majesty's visit to Laura's blog yesterday.

There were all kinds of "revelations" including the statements that Bristol has been pregnant 4 times and that Sarah uses ketamine. And that she had thought Audrey would bring her down, and when that didn't happen, Sarah figured she was invincible.

Worth reading! Better than Jersey Housewives.

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K.M.R
8/25/2011 03:01:20 am

My guess as to who is in the know and letting the cat out of the bag over @ IM is Track's new wife, Britta.
Far fetched maybe but I can't shake the feeling.
Her motive? She's seen what Sarah has done to so many and to her husband as well. Maybe she wants to break free now that she's married and starting fresh with a new baby.
No way could Sarah out Track's wife. Think what a mess that would be.

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Karen
8/25/2011 03:19:37 am

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NSG
8/25/2011 03:19:38 am

Sorta OT, and just for some Tea-bagger laughs, the Daily Show is on vacation, but HuffPo posted this clip of DS correspondents explaining the Tea Party.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/24/the-daily-show-correspondents-explain-tea-party_n_935241.html

As only Samantha Bee, John Elliott, et al can... Ha!

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Karen
8/25/2011 03:22:14 am

Oops, empty post. K.M.R., not Britta because "she" says the person who shares the information with her can't be outed because that person knows too much. It sounds like someone who is connected to Sarah's sister, because she mentions that the ketamine "and all the embarrassing stuff" is mailed there and talks about a fight that started when her sister asked about Ruffles ear and how she wouldn't talk to her for a month.

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Viola-Alex
8/25/2011 03:33:42 am

Whoever Anon 2:38 is she (and I believe it's a she) can code-switch. She can write in a jaunty FB/Twitter kind of way and then also use words like "exise" and "Unveil" and "ophthalmic." She even used the right "its" which is a real test of one's education. On the one hand, she calls out Bristol like a high school catfight and then can write credibly about Sarah's PAC.

Not your average AK babysitter or bookkeeper.

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Karen
8/25/2011 04:05:38 am

Anon 2:38 seems intelligent, though I still think she's young. One of the first posts after hers was obviously from someone younger.

OMG 6 :42, I know who you are!!! I can not believe you are posting here. Gurl, you must of borrowed Gryphen's brass balls!

Lauden told me about Trig's "boxing match"--heard he really packed a wallup, ha!

7:54 PM

No one over 20 uses "Gurl!"

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K.M.R
8/25/2011 04:21:54 am

@ Karen,
Britta would know an awful lot I would think.
Track could have told her plenty. Plus, I'd expect she would have had very good opportunity to be around Sarah's sister witnessing enough herself.
She has also worked for Sarah.

Of course I'm just guessing but it makes sense to me.

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Karen
8/25/2011 04:35:13 am

K.M.R., You may be right but she lives on the compound at Lake Lucile so I just get a feeling that it's too close for comfort. Could you imagine sitting down at the dinner table together?!
Plus, all the references to Sarah's sister give me the impression it is someone closer to her.

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Freddy el
8/25/2011 04:53:11 am

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Freddy el Desfibradddor
8/25/2011 04:54:59 am

"Could you imagine sitting down at the dinner table together" - many contemporary American families do NOT have family dinners on a daily or even a weekly basis - I have no idea what the practice is at LL

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Sunshine1970
8/25/2011 04:58:19 am

@ Karen

'No one over 20 uses "Gurl!"'

Not true. I'm in an office with women way over 20 who will use this from time to time when speaking to each other. I never though anything of it.

The comments have been very interesting, and I'm so hoping they're true. I hope this person will go on record with any of the blogs at some point and let it all out.

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LB
8/25/2011 05:01:27 am

Maybe this is why it is often written she eats very little food:

"Some users report feeling nauseous after taking Vitamin K. Vomiting may occur, as well. Using the drug on an empty stomach may help to minimize this side effect."

http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/ketamine/effects.htm

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Karen
8/25/2011 05:07:38 am

Freddy, Sunshine, KMR-Just speculating, so I don't know at all. My gut says younger and if it's Britta, she does have Whopping.Big.Balls!

I have to agree that I am so hoping the comments are true. Except that the part about poor Trig having no parental attachment and not getting adequate care breaks my heart. Maybe his real parents will be emboldened by all this and take him back and care for him.

Some of the stuff on ketamine is pretty frightening.

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lilly lily
8/25/2011 05:15:32 am

Never had any problem getting into your blog... Today for the first time Internet Explorer gave me the run around.

I kept trying and here I am with nothing to say. I think someone could be playing games with Laura now.

I too think it could well be Britta. She worked for Palin during and after the campaign.

She and Track and baby make three. A separate unit, though she seems fond of Piper.

Her parents are supportive, but Sarah certainly doesn't appear to be helpful at this point. Mrs Hanson was diplomatic but indicated indirectly that the families were not close, possibly not on the same wave length so to speak.

Britta or a close friend of Britta's is a strong candidate in my mind. If so she is smarter than any of the Palins to date.

They are connivers, and Britta doesn't seem to be.

Britta must realize that Sarah can't hack it. Is doped up a lot. I guess Ketamine is the drug of choice here for the womans mental issues.

And she sure does have them.

Someone mentioned she thought Sarah imagined Obama would reach across the aisles and give her a position on his cabinet. Engergy. Ha, ha, that must be a joke he is not a fool and..the President is aware that she is an idiot and can't be trusted.

Initially she said she would support the new president, but from the get go she has sniped at him, and at his wife.

She has caused problems out of sheer spite and vindictiveness.

Regina has written her last post on this matter.

Politicalgates last post was on Faux News censoring Karl Roves words in the transcript towards the end of the interview. Kathleen has transcribed it.

The noose is slowly tightening around her throat but she is too stupid to know when to quit, while she remains ahead of the game.

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Karen
8/25/2011 05:16:38 am

BTW, the "Gurl" poster mentions Lauden, who is a friend of Willow & Bristol's.

http://twitpic.com/3a63ws

If their friends know that Trig is whalluping Granny Sarah, then who knows who is in the know.

I think it's time for Sarah to pull out that letter and get in front of the story.

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lilly lily
8/25/2011 05:26:26 am

I"m a gambler.

I'll definatly go with Track and his new wife Britta.

Britta knows all.

Look at it this way. She is detatched enough from the craziness of Sarah and is intelligent and sane enough to realize it has to stop.

Sarah can't touch her or ruin Tracks life any more than she has already.

Britta does love her husband, she may realize he can't be completly free till Sarah is outed.

She will be outed.

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lilly lily
8/25/2011 05:42:37 am

Whoever it is.

You are right to do this. The woman is sick. Her happy family is a myth.

Contact someone who you trust and give them some details to break the story of Babygate, before Sarah does more damage to this country.

She began the hate, hate, hate routine in her speeches, and it has become her mantra and a mantra of those who imitate her style. It was there lurking and she set the hate beast free of its shackles..

This country deserves better than Sarah Palin.

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Karen
8/25/2011 05:43:00 am

Lilly-I won’t take your bet for two reasons:

9:33
Oh I feel safe, don't worry a bit about that. Sarah and Bristol know who I am and they know I am not intimidated by them. <b>Both realize while I might not have all the family secrets,</b> I know enough for them to steer free of pissing me off.

And 12:35
It has been kinda freeing and deeply satisfying to share all this, knowing full well that Sarah reads here and knows who I am. <b>She can't oust the member of her circle who shares all the gossip with me because this person has SO much on Sarah</b>--and I know it drives her insane.

Also, she knows a lot but not everything,; for instance, she knows Trig was born before Valentine’s Day but doesn’t know the exact date. I have to think that Britta would know the date.

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Sunshine1970
8/25/2011 05:48:14 am

Karen. I agree. I don't think it can be Britta for this reason that you quoted:

"She can't oust the member of her circle who shares all the gossip with me because this person has SO much on Sarah"

The anon poster is not a member of the inner circle, but the person who gossips *to* her is.

That makes this whole thing even more interesting to me. Someone is disgruntled with Sarah, and letting the cat out of the bag in hopes that the gossip will get out, far and wide...

Or, (and I so hope this isn't the case) the insider is giving false information to the anonymous poster in hopes that they will send out that information far and wide, then Palin can use her victim card to say "so and so is hurting a good, sweet family" blah, blah, blah..

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lilly lily
8/25/2011 06:05:17 am

I haven't read everything that the anon says.

And here again Sarah Palin is very paranoid. She could leak false tidbits. She has done it before and will do it again.

Britta would be too fearful of crushing Track.

Babygate dirty laundry will come out sooner or later. I prefer sooner.

And I hope this anon isn't another Wholey Mary.

Will see what tomorrow brings.

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B
8/25/2011 06:14:39 am

@Karen. Lauden is their first cousin, Heather's daughter. She would know more than just friend's do.

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B
8/25/2011 06:16:20 am

typo: friends

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Karen
8/25/2011 06:18:11 am

"And I hope this anon isn't another Wholey Mary."

Exactly, I almost wonder if anon isn't Wholey Mary. The conversation was started with information on Trig's lack of care and Sarah's fear of letting the same eye specialist see how far awry his eye condition has become because she is too lazy to ensure he is wearing his glasses, which is almost exactly what WM first spoke of.

On the other hand, related to the comments on the correct use of punctuation and strong vocabulary, if you are someone who writes, say someone from the PAC or a Wallace or Stapleton, you would have the ability to speak on different levels. To use "Gurl" talk and twitter talk as well as "ophthalmic" and "excise," as Viola mentioned.

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Karen
8/25/2011 06:21:18 am

@B, thanks!
I think she just graduated high school, so if she is sharing stories with her friends, who are likewise young, then they are dealing with a slew of gossip. Or "Holy High School!"

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B
8/25/2011 06:28:08 am

Playboy fails to proof? Don't they know men read it for the articles? (Or so those who try to justify writing for it say.)

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search4more
8/25/2011 06:29:31 am

It's hard to know what's real and what isn't. I read the anonymous comments and I found them interesting and entertaining. There is no way of knowing if they are true or not though. We should all think of ourselves as investigative journalists or detectives. We have just heard an account from one witness. A professional journalist/detective doesn't instantly believe or disbelieve the account. They keep an open mind and search for corroborating evidence. They think about the possible motivations of the witness and how they may have affected their testimony.

Trying to be dispassionate about it, my takeaway was either it was a person with a real connection to the Palin's who was being truthful, or it was a person with a real connection to the Palin's talking about true and made up stuff. Alternatively it was a person who dislikes Palin and reads IM a lot and was just having some fun. I don't see how anyone can know definitively which alternative is correct at this point. You can use intuition, but it's easy to be lead astray by doing that. The reason for that is everyone here has a predisposition to believe the worst about Palin. I find myself doing that quite often.

...Anyway interesting comments and it's fun to speculate about whether they were real and who might have made them.

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Ivyfree
8/25/2011 06:31:03 am

"She is detatched enough from the craziness of Sarah and is intelligent and sane enough to realize it has to stop."

I'm not disagreeing, you understand, but how do you know she is sane enough to realize it has to stop? I think, if she's in an RN baccalaureate program that she's probably reasonably intelligent, but nurses can be nuts too.

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B
8/25/2011 06:46:45 am

How to merge this anon's info with Wholey Mary's?

Bristol has Ruffles in February, Sarah uses rentababy April 18, Ruffles has too many other problems to be useful as a prop so Palin gets "Dr." L to find another DS baby to be the new Trig before the RNC.

But Trig looks like a Palin, like Piper's baby pictures and with Sarah's crossed eyes. And where has Ruffles gone? Cared for with Trig in Wasilla, or with Bristol's DWTS baby in LA? (Did she really abandon that baby & move to AZ?)

Far too crazy for my brain to process. I hope Sarah continues to throw wrenches in Republican party plans. She is not electable. But this story can't be allowed to die when she bows out. How can vetting by the press be so bad? How can a major party try to make such a person the US Veep behind an old man?

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lilly lily
8/25/2011 06:49:29 am

I'm used to listening very carefully to what people say. Look at their body language. See how they behave after they think you aren't observing them.

We don't have that on the net. People do have specific patterns in how they write, but we can't see the slight smile, the sneer, or any other facial tics of the liar who thinks you have swallowed their lies. And let us face it. People lie all the time, about nothing. They just do. It is a given. Little white lies, lies of omission and so on. Not terrible.

Also internet comments spawn a certain type of person who is into playing games. Sick.

On the whole I think anon rings true, but the cockiness is a bit off putting. No fear.

Sarah is an example of someone who has lied all her life and gotten away with it. The manipulater, the player. She has her sincere act meeting new people down pat.

Awesome. That bright smile and phoney interest she turns on, for her book buying bots and following. Public relations. Easy for short spurts, impossible to sustain.

I too think she will decompensate as she can't cope with everything which will come her way in the next month.

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rubbernecking
8/25/2011 07:00:17 am

I have my doubts about Anon 2:38. For starters, I have a hard time believing Palin would pronounce or use "eviscerate" correctly, especially when angry. And unless Palin had Gryphen strapped down on the dining table, I don't see why Todd would need to hide out in the garage.

Was anyone else troubled by the reference to Brad's adopted kids? I have no memory of any discussion of Brad's family life in Laura's interviews.

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whu da thought
8/25/2011 07:13:15 am

I'd be willing to put money on RAM as the ultimate snitch!

Karma baby K-A-R-M-A

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Elliegrl
8/25/2011 07:16:21 am

OMgosh, ketamine would explain a lot...

..."It has been shown to be effective in treating depression in patients with bipolar disorder who have not responded to other anti-depressants.[8] In persons with major depressive disorder it produces a rapid antidepressant effect, acting within two hours as opposed to the several weeks taken by typical antidepressants to work."

also, too:..."it induces a state referred to as "dissociative anesthesia"[6] and is used as a recreational drug."

Dissociatives are a class of psychoactive drugs which are said to reduce or block signals to the conscious mind from other parts of the brain.[1] Although many kinds of drugs are capable of such action, dissociatives are unique in that they do so in such a way that * they produce hallucinogenic effects, which may include sensory deprivation, dissociation, hallucinations, and **DREAMLIKE STATES OR TRANCES**.[2] Some, which are nonselective in action and affect the dopamine [3] and/or opioid[4] systems, may be capable of inducing euphoria. Many dissociatives have general depressant effects and can produce sedation, respiratory depression[citation needed], analgesia, anesthesia, and ataxia, as well as *cognitive and memory impairment and amnesia.*"

Ketamine can be used for bipolar disorder and can cause both euphoria and trance-like states???!!!

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Freddy el Desfibradddor
8/25/2011 07:24:22 am

Brad's adopted kids came up in discussion at Joe McGinniss's site, after Joe posted a picture of his grandchildren, some of whom evidently have non-European ancestry. Brad volunteered the information that he, too, has a family not all of whose members are of European descent.

Me too, for that matter.

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Lidia17
8/25/2011 07:32:18 am

My 2 cents:

--RAM seems the type to either remain faithful or blow her top in a grand exposé. This measured dose of what seems to be reality is coming, I think, from a far more intimate quarter (RAM was never truly an intimate, as much as she might have liked that…).

--I think the IM Anon is credible. Just too many things that ring true. Otherwise, it would take a huge effort to construct that easy and intimate tone, and to what end?

--It could be Britta or a confederate of hers. She might be motivated by wanting Track to break free of the QQ. Take down the QQ (indirectly) and have your freedom (possibly).

--Remember that there will be Palinites who—if the IM Anon is legit—will try to delegitimize her/him.

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Lidia17
8/25/2011 07:36:04 am

P.S. I do NOT think this is a mis-direction originating from any pro-Sarah camp. It's too coherent (and that is not snark).

If we were to believe it, it fits with all that we think we know about Sarah. In order to disbelieve it, what must we think, is the question…

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Lidia17
8/25/2011 07:41:55 am

@lilly-lily, I agree with most of your comment, but "no fear" would be the position of someone who could ruin SP, but whom SP could not ruin. I don't necessarily think that this is a vanishingly small contingent in AK, at least not any longer.

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Sharon_too_also
8/25/2011 07:54:24 am

After reading all of Anon @2:38's comments this morning, here's my for-what-it's worth thinking on why she could be legit:

It is written in a stream-of-consciousness style; she is passing on the information just like it was told to her - by a very 'weary of the on going drama' person who is very close to Sarah. Have you ever passed on really juicy gossip just like it was told to you? She knows some of the dirt because of her proximity but the real down and dirty stuff is coming from some one really close.

She writes fluidly - not like she has to stop and remember time lines or some tidbit that got mulled around on a blog for days. And in the middle of one telling one detail, she remembers another detail triggered by the previous one.

Writing like that - when you're making it up - isn't easy (ask a novelist) and it takes lots of time. The only way stuff like that flows off of your fingers is when it's true.

Some accused Media Insider of being the culprit but she commented on IM this morning and disavowed that. So I'm just saying, think about what it would take to create the subterfuge and then how easy it would actually be for someone who is sick to death of knowing all the Palin crap - and not be able to tell people - to finally do so in a place where it would really get noticed. I'd call that cathartic.

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lilly lily
8/25/2011 08:02:18 am

Brad did mention he adopted his children. So Sarah Palins snarky remarks about his looking like a gargoyle similar to her usual snark.

I always thought her saying "So Sambo beat the bitch." rang true. As she said, she would like duking it out with the boys, not mud wrestling with the girls. She likes to sound tough, and she is mean. Her bots like her that way. She is no lady, and yet she was so weak she allowed Perry to push her around.

I also recall one obese and pushy old female bot in line for a book signing who handled her,grabbing her arm and pushing her to where she wanted her to stand, to get a picture at one of the book signings and Sarah P. was at a loss of how to react. She behaves like a wimp when someone is meaner than she is.

She is used to getting her own way, one way or another. I'm sure that is irritating to anyone who is not in her thrall, or in her enabling circle of family, lawyers etc.

I think anon is in that group of people who aren't enthralled, and who see Sarah for what she is. A selfish bully. They also must realize why she takes that drug and recognize that Sarah Palin is mentally unstable.

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Molly
8/25/2011 08:05:52 am

Sharon..that is why I am inclined to think the comments are legit.

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Older_Wiser
8/25/2011 08:07:31 am

If they got the name of the baby wrong, then could it be they got the name of what's wrong with Sherri wrong, too?

Maybe it's scoliosis, not scurvy? I mean, she has excruciating back pain and has been on a pain medication pump for it.

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Sharon_too_ also
8/25/2011 08:14:36 am

@Lidia17

Good comment timing :-) Brilliant minds . . . .

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Viola-Alex
8/25/2011 08:22:06 am

I'm aboard with you all. I'm buying it, too. But still pondering the literacy of it. Anon 2:38 can sure write.

Also, an interesting reference to not having the goods that a "news org" would want. Who says that? Would you, a news org-y kind of person, Laura?

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mxm
8/25/2011 08:23:31 am

It is very hard to resist the temptation to speculate on who ANON238 could be. I formed an opinion immediately on discovering her first comment and have not changed my mind. I do fear that the person may be influenced to discontinue her commenting. So, here is what I think:

It is someone under the bus.

It is someone who was once part of the inner circle; no, make that inner circles - both Sarah's and Bristol's circles.

It is someone who had both "work access" and "personal access" to the entire family.

It is someone who had access to a couple of the next tier circles as well.

It is someone who was around for several years.

It is a female.

It is someone who remains wired into the inner circle.

It is not RAM, the writing style is very different. The drama of the Daily Caller /Toki tweets would not have been mentioned by RAM. That was her undoing and she would never bring it up.

It may well be Ivy Frye.

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Banyan
8/25/2011 08:25:08 am

Antidepressant effect explained...

By Laura Sanders
Science News, July 16th, 2011; Vol.180 #2 (p. 17)

The anesthetic ketamine works against depression by quickly boosting levels of a brain compound that has been linked to the condition, a new study in mice shows. The research may lead to highly effective and fast-acting antidepressants that provide relief within hours instead of weeks, scientists report online June 15 in Nature.
Traditional antidepressants can be effective but often take weeks or months to improve symptoms. “You can control malignant hypertension within minutes; a bad increase in blood sugar, bad migraines, asthma attacks, within minutes,” says psychiatrist Carlos Zarate of the National Institute of Mental Health in Bethesda, Md. “Yet why in psychiatry should we be satisfied with, ‘Just hang on for a few weeks or a few months, and you’re going to get better?’ That’s not acceptable in my mind.”...

The _Nature_ study being reported here in _Science News_ shows that much smaller doses of ketamine are used as rapid anti-depressants than would be the case when "special K" is used recreationally.

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rubbernecking
8/25/2011 08:30:47 am

@Freddy, thanks for the info.

I wonder why Anon 2:38 didn't discuss McGinness. He/she is paying serious attention to McGinness's blog. Brad's comment is 80+ deep on a thread that has almost nothing to do about Palin.

If Anon 2:38 is legit, I'd like more information about how exactly he/she knows the birth occurred in Feb. Did he/she see the baby in Feb? Or did someone tell him/her? Who cared for the baby before the April "birth"? Who else in Palin's circle knows about the Feb birth?

If Anon 2:38 thinks Laura is the person who will break the story, why isn't he/she be posting here?

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lilly llily
8/25/2011 08:34:24 am

I do wish that Levi writes the truth in his book. He always struck me as truthful, moreso than the two women in his life squabbling. Tit for tat. I think like most men he wants peace and is more straight forward though not particularly articulate. He has another girl and Bristol is past history to him. Mercede remains stuck in the treaclely mess in her war with Bristol.

The Playboy shoot gives Mercede international visability and money, so she might be able to leg it out of Wasilla into another life eventually with or without Mrs. Johnston. Her father told her months ago to move on with her life.

Mrs. Johnstons pain problems aren't the issue in this story. She has her meds. Her medical history is not germain.

Sarah Palins medical history is.

Especially in this new revalation about what she is taking for her bi polar issues. Obviously no one would want someone like this to have the nuclear codes.

Tongue protrusions seem to be one of the side effects. WE know she is on something for her problems. About time it is exposed.

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Sharon_too_also
8/25/2011 08:37:40 am

@Viola-Alex You asked:

"Also, an interesting reference to not having the goods that a "news org" would want. Who says that?"

The answer to that would be someone who has dealt with the media.

Cold, hard, irrefutable documented facts are what the msm needs to break this thing open and not leave them looking like the Enquirer.

Don't forget, the media has been crawling all over Wasilla for years. Perhaps anon 2:38 has tried that route or is enough in the know to realize that without document proof, all she really has is a juicy story.

MXM you could be spot on.

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lilly lily
8/25/2011 08:38:33 am

If she is on Ketamine, that should be enough to sink her ship right now.

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lilly lily
8/25/2011 08:42:11 am

Perhaps it is someone who worked in a medical office of whoever prescribed this med, who knows what she is taking and where it is being shipped.

Also knows all the scuttlebut about Trig etc.

Files can be read by anyone in the office.

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Laura Novak link
8/25/2011 08:42:55 am

Thanks, Banyan, et al, for posting that information about Ketamine. It DOES make one think that Anon is in the know, because your garden variety troll would likely say she takes Valium or something mundane like that.

And I would not be surprised if she is medicated for something (any of 'em, all of 'em.)

I'm not sure why people on IM are saying they can't access my blog. I can find it fine on a browser.

Rubbernecking, good point: Anon can always contact me at: [email protected]

In fact, anyone can. And many do! :-)

And yes, I would use the phrase "news org." I don't recall that in the comments, but yes, that's what I call them.

Great conversation everyone. And V-A, you're right, looks like Media Insider has posted on Gryphens to say it is not she who is Anon.

But she DID say that Bristol DID have that baby after DWTS. Hmmmm, so where for art it?

Thanks everyone!!

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lilly lily
8/25/2011 08:48:18 am

Maybe Gryphen knows who it is, and is letting it roll.

It is like a crap game, the dice roll, and if they aren't loaded they come up randomly, chance.

Someone out there has loaded dice. They know how the dice will fall.

Ivy Frye was baby sitter and gofer girl.Is she currently under the bus or re-instated?

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Banyan
8/25/2011 08:56:38 am

More on Ketamine cream...

It seems to be used in various "pain complexes" -- for example, cancer pain, or neuro pain accompanying herpes.

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FrostyAK
8/25/2011 08:57:01 am

The rabbit hole continually gets deeper and has even more twists and turns. Many of the twists and turns dead end. ONE of them has got to lead to the backdoor and the light. This whole mess needs to be brought out into the LIGHT.

Laura has proven time and time again that she does not 'out' her sources. One would think that those with information would be in contact with her rather than posting anonymous comments on another blog. Go figure...

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lilly lily
8/25/2011 08:57:28 am

I think the Ketamine should sink her without Babygate or anything else.

Who wants someone with the nuclear codes or handling domestic and international issues, plus all the burdens of the office using meds like this.

It isn't a minor issue. It is a bomb.

This is serious, there would be International interest I'm sure, and we have seen from her demeanor that she appears doped up a lot of the time. That tongue protruding has been obvious . We comment on it all the time..

And Faux news covers for her via Greta and Hannity. Disgusting.

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lilly lily
8/25/2011 09:00:44 am

She has cold sores on her mouth. Shots of those.

But I don't think she would take that.

Possible she would be on Valcyclovir which is used for herpes, genital and mouth sores. Also used for shingles.

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lilly lily
8/25/2011 09:12:02 am

Palin was frightening before with her big mouth causing trouble everywhere in government, but this new revalation of her probable use of Ketamine, (and I think it very probable) is really the blockbuster.

Her medical issues are revalent and should be discussed openly in the press.

Why in hell did the RNC keep her viable.

Damn them all to hell. Especially McCain, Murdoch, Ailes and the Koch brothers plus all the fundies funding her.

I am truly royally pissed off. Sorry for the vulgarity, but I don't think anyone here wants her in any position of authority in this country. Too dangerous, knowing what we know from our years following her path of destruction.

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Rationalist
8/25/2011 09:27:16 am

These anonymous comments are so interesting. My gut feeling, too, is that they are real, but I doubt it's someone as close as Ivy Frye. It sounds like someone one step further away. She is implying she gets her information from someone "in the inner circle" (maybe THAT is Ivy Frye).

One way or another, this is going to be an interesting Fall in Palin-land.

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lilly lily
8/25/2011 09:49:31 am

Time to go read something less provoking, and more entertaining.

Mispelling words, as I am tired. Revelant not revalent and so on, germaine, not germain. Need spell check . There is always someone to edit.

Sorry Laura. My bad. No edit button.

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Banyan
8/25/2011 09:51:46 am

From what I'm reading about ketamine, I doubt that using the drug (as an ointment) would necessarily disqualify someone for higher office, if prescribed by a physician.

(Psychiatric dosages are generally given via injections or IV.)

But the whole issue should raise further questions about Sarah's over-all medical condition.

On a somewhat related topic, I also don't think that Trig's badly crossed eyes are "inherited" from Sarah or indicative of abusive/neglectful parenting.

Crossed eyes (strabismus) is common in infants and children and adults with other neurological defects (like DS, or motor impairment from prematurity/cerebral palsy).

Glasses rarely correct the condition in such cases, in my personal and medical experience.

There are also atropine drops that can be used to force the "lazy eye" to work (by blurring vision in the better eye), but again surgery is usually necessary and doesn't -- again, in my experience -- do much more than temporarily provide a cosmetic benefit.

"Your mileage may vary" but, enforcing the use of atropine and glasses with my own impaired infant made me feel as if I were performing "medical abuse." Babies really hate this! And it didn't work, in any event.

I suspect Trig is not well or consistently cared for, and I'm fairly sure that Sarah "overmedicates" herself, but I doubt that Trig's crossed eyes and Sarah's (reported) use of ketamine cream are the primary issues to focus on.

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K.M.R
8/25/2011 09:54:48 am

Laura, I had trouble getting on your blog today as well.
On my first try, I was greeted with an error message. Moments later, on my next try, your blog did appear but with a white background showing only your entry and comments (no heading or pictures). The font also looked different than I'm used to seeing.
My third or fourth try was successful.

I figured you may have been fooling around with the format.

This was about 2:00 or thereabouts.

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ginny11
8/25/2011 09:59:25 am

Sharon_too_also, the "stream of consciousness" writing of the IM anon is something I noticed as well. AS you said, it's not easy at all to fake this type of authentic "writing as I think/speak" manner. This, more than any facts or info provided by the IM anon, is why my gut says these are the "rill dill". I don't think it's Britta, because of some of the more sharp-tongued comments to Bristol in IM anon's first comment posted. I just don't think Britta would do that. My initial guess was that maybe this is the woman "next door" from whom the Palins rented, and who eventually contacted Joe to offer her house to him for rent last year. She may have been close enough to the Palins (both physically close (right next door) and close in a friendly sense) before their falling-out to have known and learned alot about them, and to maybe still have a inner-circle contact. Just a guess!

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Mhurka
8/25/2011 10:01:33 am

Karen (at 10:22:14)
I wonder if the 'ketamine"and all the embarassing stuff" is mailed...' might also include the maternity costume. Just sayin'.

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Laura Novak link
8/25/2011 10:09:43 am

Thanks, KMR. No, I was NOT playing with the site at all. I'm not sure what would have caused that, but thank you for persisting. And let the word go forth.

Weebly can defend itself against attacks. I've been over this with them. They know who reads my blog!

If this happens again, post on Gryphens as someone did, or email me, or twitter: @LaNovakAuthor

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Rationalist
8/25/2011 10:20:15 am

ginny11: I also doubt it's Britta because of the way she referred to Track.

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ginny11
8/25/2011 10:25:23 am

Rationalist: I forgot or missed the Track references, but that makes even more sense!

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Ivyfree
8/25/2011 10:37:50 am

"Perhaps it is someone who worked in a medical office of whoever prescribed this med, who knows what she is taking and where it is being shipped.

Also knows all the scuttlebut about Trig etc.

Files can be read by anyone in the office."

HIPAA, though. Even if they knew, it's too much risk to talk.

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Karen
8/25/2011 10:50:52 am

Mhurka-wow! what a thought, you could be right. I never thought of it. There is so much "embarrassing stuff"--the too-big shoes, that stupid frickin t-shirt she was wearing, her bumpits.
Sorry, excuse the snark ;)

I agree with most of these commenters--too much detail on so many different topics, too stream-of-conscious to be total BS. Someone apparently well spoken to never have any typos or missing apostrophes. Hate to think they could completely dissolve like all the others (Wholey Mary, Wendy Waitress, RN, etc.) Also, too, can someone refresh me on the Wholey Mary comments, what thread they were on? I recall they were more threatening in tone than this writer, who is gloating and a little more cat-n-mouse than she is threatening.

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B
8/25/2011 10:56:42 am

Britta has a new baby. She wouldn't be spending time at a keyboard. She could be talking to friend who is anon, but I don't think a new mother would invite problems.

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B
8/25/2011 11:06:52 am

@rubbernecking. Isn't "eviscerate" what reality show Sarah and her dad did to their kill before taking it back to Wasilla? If it is a common hunting term, she would have grown up familiar with it.

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Karen
8/25/2011 11:16:30 am

ginny 11-I don't know, seems too personal to be a neighbor, even a next-door neighbor.

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Allie
8/25/2011 11:21:08 am

I haven't read the anon comments yet and I haven't noticed anyone mention that the use of ketamine could have the use of propofol by Michael Jackson taint to it because they are both anesthesia induction agents. They are both in every OR. Thus, I do think it could be damaging to QQ even if she doesn't use it to sleep because everybody knows about the propofol and it would put her in an undesirable category for lots of people.

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SunnyVee
8/25/2011 11:33:08 am

My 2 cents -

Good thoughts here that (still) are not getting into crazy or half-baked stuff...that's great ! :)

If I were RAM, I would not want to engage on a place where so many comments had previously attacked my physical appearance.
But the Anon238 person seems to be motivated by the fact that Sarah & Bristol read the IM blog - which might make it worth it to go there.

There have been a couple of things pointing to connection thru Sarah's sister and/or a cousin of the "kids."
(Lauden, secret mail shipments there, and more)...but would someone "blood" related really know all the apparent SarahPac stuff?

Honestly? I get the gut feel that its some fly-on-the-wall who was just overlooked when all this was increasingly freaking her out. Someone considered right in Sarah's "back pocket," thats for sure.

Peace :)

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Up
8/25/2011 11:37:02 am

rubbernecking, Anon Anon said she/he heard about newborn Trig from the family around Valentine's Day.

I wonder if our Anon Anon isn't also known as ArcXIX, the Daily Kos blogger who broke the story in a well-crafted, coherently written post which appeared the day after McCain announced Palin's selection. I always wondered how someone could have known about Bristol's auto accidents and pulled that info -dates, statements, photos - together and written the post within hours of the announcement. If one was a close friend of a gossiping sister, one might have an inkling of what Palin was gunning for and be keeping a mental list of happenings. One might not have evidence, but one could still get the word out.

Both Anon Anon and ArcXIX also mention Bristol, one with concern and the other (perhaps grown jaded) with scorn. But this is all pure speculation.

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FrostyAK
8/25/2011 11:42:02 am

@B - yes the dead moose are eviscerated; but in local jargon, it is "skinned and gutted". Field dressed.

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Karen
8/25/2011 11:48:40 am

SunnyVee,
Just wanted to mention that you were quite the upstanding blog citizen with the new insider/anon. Particularly when the curious flickr photos appeared and disappeared at the same time, and you were rightly skeptical but cautious at the same time. I know you worried, but you handled yourself well.

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rubbernecking
8/25/2011 11:50:40 am

@B, do actual hunters use the word eviscerate? Do they say, "Time to eviscerate the moose?" Or do they say "time to gut the moose?"

Religious wingnuts will claim that any misfortune that happens to a liberal is a punishment from God. I don't want to get too Sherlock Holmes but I can't see a religious wingnut saying someone needed to adopt children because "you can't breed woman and gargoyle." Doesn't this insult assume an audience with both knowledge and acceptance of evolutionary biology?

I think Anon 2:38 enjoys needling Palin. He/she might be mixing fact and fiction to bug her. I don't think the Palin quotes are real.

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jk
8/25/2011 12:03:22 pm

I'm not inclined to get hung up over who insider-anon is -- I find it much more interesting to think about what she has told us.
B, I first had the same thought: that Ruffles was born to Bristol in February. But insider-anon calls Bristol out: "You gave Trig to your mother, knowing how she would treat him." Also: "his birth parents could take him back," since there was no official adoption. Thinking about this, I think it means that the current Trig is Bristol's baby, born in February, which makes Ruffles the rent-a-baby. Maybe ten-pound rent-a-baby was Ruffles, who lost weight over the next few weeks and looked more frail in later photographs? It does beg the question: where did he come from? And where is he now???
The first infant we see in photos who clearly looks like the current Trig is blue-sweater airplane baby -- a photo that doesn't fit into a chronology of other early photos of Ruffles.
Insider-anon's comments also make it clear that Bristol is Trig's mother, although she later declines to say who the mother & father are. My guess, since Bristol is already identified as the mother, is that real sensitivity is the father. And my money is on Keith Johnston, because it would explain a lot.

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Anon
8/25/2011 12:08:02 pm

@ rubbernecking, maybe the gargoyle term was based on appearance, not theology or evolutionary biology. (Sorry, Brad)

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jk
8/25/2011 12:12:57 pm

Seems to me that Gryphen stopped commenting on babygate some time ago. He's letting the comments roll, yes, but with essentially no editorializing. I've been hoping it's because he knows the story is going to break, either in the upcoming book or maybe in an article, and he doesn't want to steal someone's thunder. I'm not saying this to stir up dissension between bloggers -- I have the utmost respect for G's integrity, not to mention his, uh, guts. In fact, it's knowing how deep his integrity runs that inclines me to my theory. I just want the story to break already -- it's been 3 long years!

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mxm
8/25/2011 12:46:18 pm

I just went back and re-read the Little Boy Blue post, where you interviewed Doc. It is particularly fascinating in light of the anon comments.

Laura, could you ask Doc if it is possible that the 2 infants are identical twins. I realize he suggested that there were signs that the infants were not the same age, but is it possible. Identical twins, born prematurely, one larger and healthier than the other, both with DS, one with an ear defect.

Now I am going to go read a few more old posts, here and over at IM.

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mxm
8/25/2011 12:47:03 pm

forgot the link to the Little Boy Blue post:


http://www.lauranovakauthor.com/1/post/2011/07/little-boys-blue.html

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A reader
8/25/2011 01:02:54 pm

On the IM anon commenter, Sharon_too_also said, "Writing like that - when you're making it up - isn't easy (ask a novelist) and it takes lots of time."

Okay, since you asked: I'm a novelist with 20 books under my belt, and I can tell you that, as I was reading the postings, all I could think was, "She is so not making this up!" I know what it takes to make stuff up; I spend my days making stuff up and trying to fashion it in a way that sounds believable. It is excruciating hard work and takes an enormous amount of time. Why do that for anonymous comments buried in an old blog post?

Think about what it would take simply to come up with that one story about Sarah making the nasty crack about Brad's adopted children. The commenter would need to remember having read a random fact buried deep in the comments of Joe's blog weeks ago, then artfully come up with a nasty comment for Sarah to have said, then plop it gracefully into a stream of other exposition. Far, far easier to believe that Sarah (who we've been told obsessively reads all the blogs) seized upon this rare bit of personal information about someone she hates and made a snarky comment the writer simply remembered.

As for who she is: we know it's not someone in Sarah's inner circle but a person to whom someone in the inner circle rants. In other words, someone close to Sarah is very angry with her. It's my understanding the only people really close to Sarah are family.

I think these comments are being made not so much for our sake but to tweak Sarah's nose.

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SunnyVee
8/25/2011 01:10:28 pm

jk...(quick thought) -
not long ago someone dropped 1-2 short comments here that Gryphen knew the identity of both Trig's real mom & dad.

I (still) dont have the anger that poster seemed to think appropriate. I just assumed a troll at the time.

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Laura Novak link
8/25/2011 01:17:35 pm

Thanks, A Reader, for weighing in with your professional experience. And to all of you for joining in this fascinating discussion.

I'm going to put comments into moderation overnight. Will approve very early in the morning. So, feel free to keep commenting. You'll see the new stuff in the morning.

Thank you all again for a great conversation!

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jk
8/25/2011 01:21:17 pm

A reader: Great perspective! My published books are creative non-fiction, and insider-anon's posts also ring extremely true to my writer's ear. Details like she is posting, including the quirky little stuff, you just don't make up. Not to mention, it fits so well with what has been gleaned and deduced over the years, for example Bristol's four pregnancies. Isn't that what we've all been thinking? Green-sweater pregnancy (miscarriage?), Trig, Tripp, DWTS baby now under wraps? And Trig's birthday in February? Etc.
Having disavowed interest in who insider-anon is, I wonder...could someone who Palin views as "hired help" be venting their spleen to someone who has dished to us? As a couple of blog commenters, including WendyWaitress, have noted, it's amazing what some people will say around people who they regard as hired help, and therefore an inferior species. Or maybe it is someone in the family who is venting their spleen. One can only imagine what it must be like for a normal, rational human being to be caught in the middle of the Palin family vortex.

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CLWilcoat
8/25/2011 01:23:20 pm

Anything that bugs Granny Grizzly and gets under her thin skin I support fully and will buy. I hope this issue is a BIG SELLER because Bristol will absolutely turn green with envy. The Palins can dish out their hate by the barrelfuls with glee but sure can't take it. With that I'm headed out to the nearest 7-11 and get that Playboy mag right now - and I've never bought one issue in my entire life!

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Karen
8/25/2011 01:28:55 pm

Excuse the long post, but these two posts from the Broomfield threat are Anon signing off for now:

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the anon poster spilling the palin secrets is Track's new wife. I have a feeling that young lady would not put up with any shit from them - she mentioned how much track hates his mother but takes his anger out on his father and she would be my best guess as far as having inside info - and palin not being able to do a damn thing to her. Track would destroy her if she went after his wife. What a trash family..and i totally believe bristol had a 3rd live birth.

5:34 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not sure if anyone is still reading this topic, but I wanted to clarify a thing or three.

I am not "Media Insider". Should it come to enough people repeating that accusation, I'm sure Gryphen has the tools to confirm that I post from Alaska and Media Insider posted from...where? Cal-i-for-nee?! I don't know. But I DO know Gryphen can likely see all manner of information regarding our locations, and if I was posting from anywhere other than right here in the valley, Gryphen would point it out because that alone would invalidate much of what I said.

For the people who dismissed me at once, and claimed I was making things up--it's hard to believe you are anything other than Sarah's minions, trying once more to suppress the truth. Surely even you recognize...out of ALL the people Sarah has interacted with, a handful of them are going to wind up here.

A note of clarity regarding the ketamine gel--I should definitely state for the record-- Sarah is not a ketamine "addict". She really does use it for pain, I believe...not for running related injuries as she claims, but for the joint aches and pains that accompany being constantly malnourished and stressed.
But I'm definitely not saying she isn't addicted to anything! She self medicates and used to give Meg fits because if the label says "take one"...Sarah is definitely going to take two.

I am posting one last comment (for now) in just a few minutes.

6:32 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am preparing to travel to Washington state for three weeks, so I'm afraid my cathartic purging will have to take a hiatus since I'll be very busy. But...I can PROMISE that Sarah and Bristol both are fit to be tied right now due to all the upcoming books, movies, books....;)
And here is a closing couple of tidbits--
I want to make sure any photos posted on twitter or face book (where she's supposed to post the "new picture" of she and Trig) are scrutinized very, very carefully! She's been told by her handlers she MUST provide a "mother and child" photo or public outing because even the hardcore glue sniffers are starting to notice they haven't seen Trig since people still thought "it's the bomb" was cool.

Second tidbit--Bristol is just spastically frantic over hearing Sadie might have access to some of her less inhibited phone camera photos and videos. When it first came out, Sarah called her and said "if these pictures exist, you HAVE to tell me so we can get ahead of it". Bristol denied, denied, denied...said she was "hurt" and "disappointed" her mom would think she'd DO such a thing!

Well Sarah is as stupid as they come but she knows her little angel Bristol. Less than an hour after that phone call where Bristol swore on TRIPP'S VERY LIFE that she had never taken "those kind" of pictures, Sarah called her back and said "you lied to me, I've just seen four of your homemade PORN videos!"

And Bristol the genius says "But...I ONLY MADE THREE!!!"

The oldest bluff in the book, but there you go.

Sarah, I hear you're just "rill" mad at me for venting some of the frustration and chaos you've forced so many to endure...maybe this will teach you to be a little nicer...especially to those in your "inner circle". Have you noticed lately that it's shrinking? Once the media finally catches on to the fact you have no birth certificate, no college degree...and medical records which you will never show...that little circle may shrink even more.

Time for me to go, but I did want to say thanks to the people who complimented my writing and recognized my off-the-cuff honesty for what it was. Normally I do not talk so much, but I think I'm one of MANY who is just sick to death of everyone (including myself...I'm deeply ashamed I have just kept quiet and should I ever get my hands on black and white proof concerning Trig's birth...I swear I will not keep it to myself) covering this crazy bitch's insanity.

Thanks again everyone who said nice things. For the ones who weren't so nice...well screw you, luckily I'm about as scared of you as I am of that emaciated quitter! I only WISH I had to "make up" stories about this psychotic egomaniac and her impossibly ill mannered brood, narcissistic pseudo spouse, and epically bullying "friends". Believe me, I wish I was among the lucky, those who had

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everspring
8/25/2011 01:56:00 pm

MXM

I am also of the opinion that Tripp and Trig are twins born perhaps in Feb or March of 2008. I think the Playboy picture and caption was a direct shot at Palin from Mercede.

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Exp:Nov.05/08
8/25/2011 01:58:59 pm

It's been an exciting few days reading the posts and comments. The IM comments,too! I heard about them here first, so thanks for discussing them.

Mercede offers more of the same, and another Trig photo tease. I'm finding it hard to believe she corrected PB twice, and they still ran Tripp's name. Can't that photo be dated to May 2008? Wasn't it available on Sadie's MySpace page long before Tripp's supposed Dec. 2008 birth, and can't that be proven?

Britta would be a strong candidate for 'anon.', but I don't want to speculate. I'm afraid if she (I do feel they write/present as female) thinks she's identifiable, she'll stop posting.
If it's just someone playing around to see what we'll swallow (along the lines of "you can post anything on anti-Palin blogs and pretend to know secrets and they'll believe it!"), it's still as interesting and entertaining as the rest of the story and clues have been. It's no more far-fetched than what Palin herself has asked people to believe.

I guess we'll see what pans out.

But oh, how I'd love for some of these anonymous claims to be backed up with proof.

It will have to be broken open by someone who is too close to the Palins to be retaliated against - without serious repercussions, I think, anyway - to provide the catalyst to cause the whole charade to finally fall apart. It's possible 'anon.' could be posting those catalysts.
It's only a matter of time before September's fan and all that hits it. A cacaphony of voices all at once can't be ignored. If she thinks she can wait until things blow over to run... well, we know she's delusional, so she might try. But I have to believe the media can't ignore this much longer.
Silence is an abuser's greatest weapon.

Thank you all for your dedicated and captivating research and discussion.

If ketamine is what they kept referencing with the coffee code... there's some weird, wild stuff happening up there in ol' Wasilly.

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V ictoria link
8/25/2011 02:11:54 pm

I've tried several times to go over to IM to find the comments that people here are talking about - my browser gets upset - could someone be kind enough to copy it and repost it here?

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B
8/25/2011 02:19:14 pm

@jk.

I've always rejected the idea of Keith having any involvement in this story, but it would explain anon protecting the "then innocent," since it would be statutory rape, and explain CBJ's involvement, and even explain why Sarah kept Trig such a secret but not Tripp. She did not want a criminal case. It could fit somewhat with the Palins' hating Sherry and setting her up. Unfortunately, it would also mean the bio dad will never come forward to rescue Trig from Sarah--and go to jail.

At the same time, Sadie said Keith had a long-time mistress, and I don't think Sadie would have captioned her picture "my baby brother," because she wouldn't want to drop a hint that led to her dad's arrest. It also wouldn't fit in with anon. saying Sadie would soon rethink the party line that Tripp was Bristol & Levi's first baby. That sure suggests Levi is the dad.

Sarah didn't give birth to Trig. That is our only certainty.

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B
8/25/2011 02:32:06 pm

@jk.

Yes, Gryphen isn't touching Babygate right now. Didn't even mention Blade's post with the massage records.

I don't think he got an advanced copy of Joe's book; Sully told us and Gryphen would have too. Levi may have let Sadie and perhaps Gryphen read his book and that's the story Gryphen's sitting on. But that's doubtful.

I vote for "Fred." Gryphen has worked with him, Fred will credit him, and the book is due next month. Maybe Fred is going to break big news and Gryphen is going to let him. We can hope that is why IM isn't posting about anon, etc.

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BfromC
8/25/2011 02:34:00 pm

I join all of you who are really getting the vibe that anon is legit. I'm sure she is posting at IM because she knows that blog is Sarah's obsession and reads every word there.

We have seen comments from observers who confirm Sarah is constantly on IM. (Remember the woman who wrote that she sat by Sarah on a flight and saw IM on her phone screen. I'm willing to buy that story.)

My first instinct is that anon is an intelligent, well spoken adult woman who might be a close friend to one of Palin's sisters. She is definitely close to a relative, or could be an actual distant relative herself. Maybe a relative of Todd's within his extended, broken family? I do think that most of this has to have been kept within the family circle. The rest of of Wasilla folks know just enough to be afraid to spill the beans on the Palins.

I also think anon might have children Bristol's age, and knows a lot about the Wasilla teen scene, as well.

She relates that she has asked questions of someone in the inner circle about Sarah, and actually expected answers. (She mentions not getting certain answers, though.)

She is obviously sick of Sarah and is happy to get this off her chest, yet she somehow feels protected from the Palins coming after her. One can only imagine the fury that is raging in Sarah right now over these revelations.

The only thing that would make me skeptical is the info about the additional Bristol baby. I wasn't one to feel certain about a DWTS pregnancy, though I know several of the regulars here do. It still feels unbelievable that they could be pulling that off. But she mentions it in a matter of fact manner.

Out of all of this story anon has presented, I'm saddest about the Trig information. It is what we have all feared and really can deduce. He is nowhere to be seen, we observed a lack of care and attention to his developing needs, and know that he truly has just been a prop, and is apparently being kept in the prop closest most of the time.

Why doesn't the press, or her bots, care or ask about him? Nothing about this has been normal. I would love to see the reaction to the bot donors, if they ever finally figure out just what PAC money is going to. Especially to Trig warehousing care. (We can only hope the three ladies mxm has guessed are the caretakers are doing a decent job with him.)

Sarah has been coated in Teflon, up to now and gotten away with an incredible amount. Surely she will be completely exposed in the coming month, by many sources, and this can finally come to an end.

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Sharon_too_also
8/25/2011 02:43:14 pm

Thanks A reader for the professional validation of my comment. When I read paranoid knee jerk reactions to something that well written (mostly elsewhere, not here at Laura's) I immediately think "Oh yah, you try writing like that".

Meanwhile anon @2:38 put up another comment at IM's at 6:47 and it's a doozie. Here's how she ends it:

" I only WISH I had to "make up" stories about this psychotic egomaniac and her impossibly ill mannered brood, narcissistic pseudo spouse, and epically bullying "friends". Believe me, I wish I was among the lucky, those who had never heard the name Sarah Palin. My personal interactions with her are limited to various rude annoyances...but she has wrung the life out of someone I care about."

Now is that not worth another trip over to:

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=9361564&postID=4190158141129121771&page=1&token=1314331822995

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myrna nichols
8/25/2011 03:47:09 pm

Some time ago at IM, there were detailed anon comments about Sarah having her tubes tied. The writer had kids in school at the same time as Sarah, and Sarah worked the excuse for weeks to get out of car pooling, her recovery took sooooo long. Other anon comments at IM have described in accurate medical detail what was involved in Sarah's medical procedure. So, there is either some direct inside knowledge, or the writer has heard the stories second hand.

I agree that you can't make that stuff up. It has consistency, and it is well written. It's too hard to remember all of the details. Even Sarah can't remember if Trig was born at 8 months at MatSu or 7 1/2 months in Anchorage.

I think that the writer has had enough of Sarah, and it took a long time to get to this point, waiting for the various blogs to reveal Sarah's secrets. Audrey came close when she said that Sarah could never produce a birth certificate for Trig because several things could not be changed: time, date and place of birth, even though the names on the birth certificate could be changed.

What's interesting are the comments that the writer cares about somebody who is being hurt. I would hope that the writer also thinks about the way that Sarah hurts the country with her insults and rabble rousing comments. Whether she runs or not, she's dangerous, and she brings out intense hatred in her followers. If Sarah hurt our writer, she is damaging the country even more. I hope the writer continues to post the comments.

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V ictoria link
8/25/2011 04:31:36 pm

Well, I got into the IM comments and have caught up with the gossip. What fun!

I agree that the ones purporting to be from someone who knows someone in Sarah's inner circle *sound* real. I agree that they could only be faked by a fairly good writer. However, I think that those anonymous comments *have* been written by a good writer - there's a lot more coherence and wonderful detail as well as better spelling and grammar than we generally see in nearly all comments, whether from SPbots or not. And so that gives me pause.

I'm also curious as to why the poster is anonymous. S/he says that Sarah knows who the poster is - as well as who is leaking the information - so why not come out and give his/her name? Even that much might be enough to get the lamestream media to publicize this.

But most of it passes the smell test, and it could very well be genuine. I hope so! Really enjoyed the stabs at Brad and Laura!

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giddyup
8/25/2011 05:02:09 pm

mxm - your comment above about 2 babies jogged my memory about twins, so I went looking for this blog - http://www.palinpeytonplace.com/2-babies-1-mother.html

Remember this post?

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K.M.R
8/25/2011 08:30:53 pm

If it is Britta, and again I'm just guessing, she may have been influenced by her minister father's biblical teachings. Isn't there something about being as wise as a serpent and as harmless as a dove.
She can smile and be dove like while she takes in all the family activities, while also feeling obligated to drop some big crumbs about the dysfunction.
Do we know if Gryphen mentioned where the IP came from?

I also agree with the commenter who suggested that Britta would be too busy with her new baby to be at the keyboard. New babies do sleep a lot though and she could have her little one beside her as she typed away.
Better guess yet, perhaps it's Britta's mother, having heard such tales from her daughter and knowing she can't let her get away with it. Also, too, she feels that the baby would have a better chance at a normal life if Sarah's evil ways were brought to light.

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Molly
8/25/2011 10:55:49 pm

@jk. I think Keith Johnston is somehow involved in this too. It would explain the relative silence from the Johnstons. They obviously wouldn't want their father to be seen in a bad light. Could it be possible that the Palins have blackmailed Levi into pretending that he is the father of Tripp? We know Sherry was effectively silenced with the drug's bust. And Mercedes did refer to Trig as her baby brother...

Does anyone remember if there was any evidence of Bristol and Levi communicating with each other via my space?

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Up
8/25/2011 11:16:49 pm

The anon commenter is not just a friend of an insider. Anon anon says she's confident that her inner circle contact would choose Anon anon over Sarah, should Sarah try to force a decision. And Anon anon knows that Sarah also believes this is true.

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Karen
8/25/2011 11:43:25 pm

From Floyd's blog, a brutal list of "debate" questions for Sarah Palin.

Oh, and a happy family picture that looks to be new with Trig, Sarah, Bristol and Willow.


http://niafs.blogspot.com/2011/08/meanwhile-back-at-ranch.html

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Molly
8/25/2011 11:50:49 pm

Ok, I just went back and cut and pasted all anon's comments into one document. I'm just throwing out some thoughts as I go through it. I think it's clear on rereading it, that she obviously believes that Bristol and Levi are the parents of both Trig and Tripp.

The Palins were completely freaked out by the appearance of Ruffles on IM and in Bailey's book. Only a very small group of people know about Ruffles - her sister didn't know and when she asked Sarah about it, she freaked out again. Anon suspects that multiple babies have been used.

Trig was born before February 14th and Sarah has not adopted him, hence she cannot show a birth cert. (Sarah also never graduated from college). CBJ was in on the initial deception, but refuses to get involved again.

Bristol has indeed had another baby boy and he is hidden in her condo in LA. Bristol is also worried about the videos that Sadie mentioned in Playboy.

We should expect to see a photo of Sarah and Trig on her FB page son.

Whew!!


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Karen
8/26/2011 12:07:15 am

Clarification: the comment regarding Track's wife Britta above the insider's comments that I posted were cut and pasted by mistake and not my thoughts.

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Molly
8/26/2011 12:15:48 am

soon not son.

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Ottoline
8/26/2011 12:29:46 am

I'm noodling the idea that Jesse is the writer of the anon238 comments. More detail here:

http://palingates.blogspot.com/2011/08/open-thread-thursday_25.html#comment-295705918

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rubbernecking
8/26/2011 12:41:18 am

@Areader, a long, chatty, gossipy comment on IM always gets attention. The comment gets discussed on IM and readers copy/paste it to other palin blogs to discuss.

Every week there's a news story about someone who has created a convincing alter-identify online. A man pretends to be a gay woman in Syria, a huckster pretends to have cancer, a lonely attention seeker fabricates an ill child, and on and on.

The Palin quotes don't ring true to me. I don't believe Sarah and Todd use a word like eviscerate in their 1:1 conversations. I've read far too many of Sarah's emails to believe gargoyle is a part of her insult lexicon. Her idea of an insult is calling someone a pervert or jerk, or calling someone yucky or gross.

The Brad factoid is obscure to even those of us following him. The insult assumes science knowledge--the biological concept of species. And it uses a word (gargoyle) which doesn't appear as an insult in any ADN blog comments. (Yeah, I searched.) I think the quotes are fake.

We have a good amount of data about the Palins activities in the first 2 weeks of Feb. If Trig was born in Feb before Valentine's Day, we should be able to narrow this down to specific days.

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Karen
8/26/2011 12:44:13 am

Ottoline-the punctuation, grammar and spelling are too clean to be Jesse. On a good day he has a few typos, and I imaging weaving together various tidbits and emails would contribute a lot more.

This may be related to Fred in some way, though.

@B, you make an excellent point: "I've always rejected the idea of Keith having any involvement in this story, but it would explain anon protecting the "then innocent," since it would be statutory rape, and explain CBJ's involvement, and even explain why Sarah kept Trig such a secret but not Tripp. "

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lilly lily
8/26/2011 12:48:36 am

It will blow up in her face soon. Not too soon for me. Her influence on her bots and her toxic grip on her dysfunctional family are well known.

Bristol is truly a dimwit. The porn will be floating around the net soon.

Whoever anon is and I am guessing it is a mother who cares deeply for her daughter, and whose daughter values her parents, and loves her husband. Thank you.

Another nail in the coffin of Lady Dracula. Sarah sucks the life out of everyone near her.

She began as a child. I recall this in reading. Sarah would take her sisters clothes and other things, but don't you dare touch her things.

Despotic people start out as small despots and bullies and graduate to bigger things.

Palin sleeps 3 hours a nite, so she might take a mixture of meds to sleep.

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Ottoline
8/26/2011 12:55:04 am

Karen, we have seen that photo at the Reagan ranch before. Anddiscussed the following: If you lighten it, you see that Bristol has a pregnant-looking belly (although it could be just overweight, I suppose). The all-black, dark black clothes in the photo as is hide that. But when you tweak it (lighten it so you see the definition of B's sweater), you see a different story.

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jeff
8/26/2011 12:57:27 am

Otto,

Not to demean Jesse, but considering the quality of the grammar, etc in 238's comments, my opinion is he is excluded as a possibility. He is being hands-off for some other reason, however.

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Susan
8/26/2011 01:01:11 am

The anonymous insider has to be Elizabeth Hanson, Britta's mom. Look at an email she wrote to Sarah Palin. The writing style is THE "same".

From: Elizabeth Hanson

Sender:

To: Governor Sarah Palin

Sent: Apr 16, 2008 6:42 PM

Subject: WHS Grad Blast request

Hi Sarah,

The committee for Grad Blast is seeking donations for this year. If you and Todd could
help out it would be greatly appreciated. (Even tho we don't have graduates this year -
they are looking for any help they can get.) I REALLY appreciated Todd's help with clean
up last year in the wee hours!! I had peace of mind knowing both Britta and Track were in
a safe place and they seemed to have a good time. How relative that concept of "safe"
seems now! Hoping this finds you feeling well as you power through these last days before
you get a "break"!

Britta is excited to look forward to working for you and is counting the days and weeks until she can come home.

Hang in there,

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Hanson, NCSP

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Karen
8/26/2011 01:07:56 am

I can't quite get my head around the idea that Bristol is raising an infant son that no one is aware of--and she expects to do what exactly? Give him up for adoption? Bring him out as a medical oddity after Sarah gives up on the idea of running? Hide him in the closet when her reality show is filmed? Or perhaps the infant is already adopted out to another family member? That is one thing that has me doubtful about the comments. Also, too, that Gryphen won't comment at all.

Also, someone above mentioned a new post by Mercede. Am I looking on the wrong blog or are you referring to the post from July?

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Rationalist
8/26/2011 01:09:22 am

Ottoline:

Thanks for the link to Amy1's comments at Palingates. While I agree that it doesn't sound like Jesse, I also feel that the posting of a whole bunch of juicy information followed by a sudden internet-free trip to Washington State is a little suspicious.

I'm with Regina. It's all really interesting, and let's just see how it shakes out.

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Karen
8/26/2011 01:13:14 am

Otto, thanks for correcting me. After I posted that I realized Trig was too young for it to be a recent picture, though it appears to be post-chin implant.

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Sunshine1970
8/26/2011 01:17:36 am

The anon comments are so interesting. I really wish they wouldn't stop. (lol) I hope Anon-anon has a good trip, but I also hope Anon-anon will be able to come back and give more info. And maybe some proof somewhere along the lines. They'd get a (virtual) hug from me. :-)

Perhaps these comments will give courage to someone else out there who knows the Palins and will finally help break the stories.

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Ottoline
8/26/2011 01:18:55 am

Karen -- I agree that "Fred" is another possibility. Did he ever identify himself? Could Fred be another alter ego for Jesse? If yes, more power to him! I didn't think it might be Fred because I have read only that one short comment from him and don't have a feel for his writing style. But I'd be happy if it was Fred! (esp if Fred is Jesse.)

I too was troubled by the lack of typos (like the mix-up of "too" and "to" in anon238's 6:42 post: "Practically the only times they talk (besides fighting) are too henpeck Gryphen to friggin DEATH." But I think Jesse can do typo-free work if he wants and time permits. Also:

--Jesse uses caps for emphasis.
--The kind of outrage anon238 expresses matches Jesse's.
--He has cleaned up his language a lot, but it still sounds like him to me.
--Lots of clever turns of phrase like the ones I like at IM.
--The frustration of it all sounds pure Jesse (although like many of us, too).

I think these comments did not appear spontaneously, written off-the-cuff. I think there is a plan here, and preparation, which makes me like it all the more.)

I guess we are all interested in anon238's identity because the credibility of the info rests on whether the source is bogus or real. But it's also true that the info presented has to stand on its own in order to constitute that elusive "proof" that all will find credible.

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Molly
8/26/2011 01:21:24 am

Can anyone remember the strange comment the Hanson's made after Britta and Track's wedding?

From IM:
"I wish I was among the lucky, those who had never heard the name Sarah Palin. My personal interactions with her are limited to various rude annoyances...but she has wrung the life out of someone I care about."

Could this be a reference to Track?

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V ictoria link
8/26/2011 01:24:22 am

@Susan - I think you're right; that email from Britta's mother IS in the same style as the anonymous comments. Well done!!

Please, Elizabeth, get the truth out there!

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Susan
8/26/2011 01:25:01 am

Elizabeth Hanson spoke briefly about her family’s relationship with the Palins. “They’re their own people; we’ve known each other for a long time.”

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Laura Novak link
8/26/2011 01:25:08 am

Thanks everyone for a great discussion. Feel free to keep it going for now on this post. I can put up something new later today if this slows down.

Many thanks again!

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Molly
8/26/2011 01:29:34 am

Thanks Susan. That wasn't exactly an endorsement!

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Ottoline
8/26/2011 01:31:27 am

V ictoria: You said "I'm also curious as to why the poster is anonymous."

Pursuing my thought that it's Jesse, remaining anon is the only way he could get all this info out. He has long seemed to be frustrated by knowing lots of stuff that he can't put on the blog because it would blow someone's cover, there's not enough to it, etc. Yet in its totality, it sure paints a picture, even though it does not give proof.

But this persona and combining all the info from his many sources (as if it were from one) gives a certain protection to the sources. Also, who else is safe from SP? Unintimidated by SP, even when SP knows who is writing this?

Last, how would I feel if I had worked so hard for 3 yrs on a good cause but couldn't manage to crack it re MSM, and now lots of other contenders for "I broke the story" are on the horizon? I would feel that I want to get my oar in: to help by adding info (even if anecdotal and not concrete proof) and also to remain a player in these last days before much is exposed. That seems like a normal wish to me.

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Rationalist
8/26/2011 01:33:07 am

While we're speculating...

I really don't think the person having the life wrung out of them could be Track. The kind of confidences Anon is describing are more the type of things "girlfriends" would know, not Palin's son.

My feeling is that - assuming Anon is for real - it's a close friend of either Ivy Frye or Kristen Cole.

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Sunshine1970
8/26/2011 01:35:50 am

@Molly

Maybe the Anon-anon *is* Track...

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Susan
8/26/2011 01:36:33 am

Also, Elizabeth Hanson uses the word "both" in the same way that the anon poster uses it. (both Britta and Track)

Bristol and Sarah BOTH
BOTH realize
Sarah and Bristol both
etc.

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lilly lily
8/26/2011 01:38:01 am

I have been thinking it was Britta Hansons mother since last evening. She must be livid knowing what is going on and being helpless to stop any of it.

The Hanson family has always seemed sane, rational and caring.

We have been having wondrous sunsets, and after tropical type storms, the air is cleared the sun is shining and everyone is in good spirits.

Sunday,we expect Hurricane Irene. Torrential rains and winds, fallen trees, floods from storm surges and massive amounts of rain.

Irene, Sarah??. They come, they will cause damage and they will pass.

Sooner or later Sarah in all her malevolance will be exposed totally.

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Susan
8/26/2011 01:38:30 am

Exactly ...Anon knows things that "girlfriends" would know. That would be Britta through her own personal experiences and knowledge gained via Track. Britta then passes info on to her Mom.

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Brad Scharlott
8/26/2011 01:39:10 am

Long ago here at Laura's blog, I mentioned my wife and I had adopted two children. It was in the context of saying I was not personally familiar with whether or not a pregnant woman's belly might look like a pillow. And I may have mentioned it even earlier. Laura and I have produced many words on many topics since April.

I have no insight into whether Sarah might really refer to me as a gargoyle. But remember the incredibly snide things her released emails showed her saying about others.

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Rationalist
8/26/2011 01:45:12 am

Re: Elizabeth Hanson: Anon said that her own experience with Sarah amounted to a few personal annoyances - that doesn't sound like someone who has been in the community with Sarah for years.

However, "they're their own people" does indeed sound like the statement of someone who is trying not to saying anything bad.

Okay, Susan, I'll buy your theory as a possibility.

Anyone know if it's possible to find out if Elizabeth Hanson is traveling to Washington State for 3 weeks?

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Susan
8/26/2011 01:49:21 am

Are there any psychology conferences in Washington state coming up?

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Rationalist
8/26/2011 01:51:23 am

There's one in Seattle, but not till the end of September:

http://www.conferencealerts.com/psychology.htm

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Ottoline
8/26/2011 01:54:54 am

Molly, re ". . . she has wrung the life out of someone I care about."

The "someone" could well be several someones, again guessing that this could be Jesse. Just like the family member (who is confiding in anon238) could be several people, including others outside the inner ring. IMO it does not compromise the narrative to put such variations into the story, and it helps to conceal sources.

I'm not *convinced* it's Jesse either, but each time I think of a new angle I find a fit with it being Jesse. Well, time will tell.

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Leona
8/26/2011 01:58:02 am

It looks like September will be "Hurricane Season" on Lake Lucille.

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V ictoria link
8/26/2011 02:00:02 am

I like everything except the "no internet for 3 weeks". A few days, perhaps, but weeks? These days? Elizabeth, if it's you, come on out, please!

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Floyd M. Orr link
8/26/2011 02:02:27 am

Here is a suggestion for Brad. The legendary Anon has stated that Sarah did not actually receive a college degree. Others have tried in the past to verify if she really graduated from the University of Idaho, but the verification has been suspect. Personally, my best guess is that she squeaked by, batting her eyelashes coyly at any male professor prepared to assign her an honest grade, but what if she didn't? Maybe as an experienced professor, you have a special manner in which you could inquire as to whether or not Sarah Heath actually has a diploma?

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NSG
8/26/2011 02:11:57 am

I still like the theory (sorry -- I've lost track of whose!) that it's a good friend of one of SP's sisters. Close enough to have heard LOTS of info, esp from one girlfriend venting to another.

But not so close as to have a lot of first-hand contact.

"My personal interactions with her are limited to various rude annoyances...but she has wrung the life out of someone I care about."

I also agree that she's likely a mother herself, possibly of a teen-aged daughter, so she'd have the maternal horror of how Trig & other Palin kids are mistreated. And she'd be close to the younger Wasilla community. And colloquialisms.

Very interesting, to say the least. I've also (too) copied the anon messages into one doc for a clear view. So many specifics that would be really hard to conjure up.

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Laura Novak link
8/26/2011 02:12:46 am

Great idea, Floyd. I wonder if there is some sort of way to establish that a diploma was awarded, other than calling the Media Relations dept. of a university.

Anyone remember the edits that four editors at VF did on her quitter speech? How did she get through college with that writing capability?

Someday we'll play a game: What DOES make sense about this woman. What DOES add up?

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jeff
8/26/2011 02:23:40 am


O/T, sort of anyway.

Someone at IM posted a link to this Sarah Palin: Flute Magic(2:48), and unfortunately I took the bait.
Warning: It is cringe-worthy at best.

Now I had never watched or listened to it before, but now I can say that I have, but I can't stop shaking my head from side-to-side while wincing. So much for that.

I'm posting the link to the comments (any of 'em, all of 'em), which have eviscerated the last half-hour of my productivity here at the office. I guess I was ready for a little levity, because most of the comments are more silly than humorous. Still...

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=FCl0b77qB1w

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rubbernecking
8/26/2011 02:23:46 am

@Floyd, the university profiled Palin as a graduate in a Jan 2008 alumni article: http://www.uidaho.edu/newsevents/features/alumni/sarahpalin

In a similar fashion, Columbia's alumni magazines wrote about Obama's public achievements at Harvard and in Illinois elections before he became President.

The most useful tip from Anon 2:38 is that Trig was born in Feb before Valentine's Day. Focus on that. That's the only relevant tip for babygate. Let's revisit exactly what we know what those two weeks before Valentine's Day.

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lilly lily
8/26/2011 02:27:25 am

Nothing makes sense, nothing adds up. Nothing...

She is Chucks and her own creation plus men have given her credit for intelligence she doesn't possess based on her flirtatious conduct since she was a teen. Take away her glasses and part of her look is gone.

Not intelligent, not knowledgeable about anything she is supposed to be an expert in. She doesn't pick brains to gain insights and enlarge herself. She lifts little mottos "Putting the potatoes right next to the meat". (From a restaurant) Picks up a line from a Starbucks cup and takes credit, picks up snappy tag lines from refrigerator magnets.

I would compare her to a theiving magpie. Anything that glitters.

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lilly lily
8/26/2011 02:37:52 am

The Thieving Magpie.

Some people have no true core of their own. They take everything from someone else. Sarah Palin is one of those people.

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Molly
8/26/2011 02:38:30 am

"Britta’s mother spoke to Radaronline.com today about her pride in her new granddaughter.

She said:

“Kyla Grace is great. She’s beautiful. I’m very happy. I love my daughter and my son-in-law very much”.

As for Sarah and Todd, Britta’s mom said only:

“They’re their own people; we’ve known each other for a long time.”

You can’t get much more diplomatic than that.

I met Britta’s father only once, for a handshake. But a trusted friend told me he’s terrific.

Britta’s mother is said to be the same."

http://www.joemcginniss.net/hey-kyla-grace-at-least-one-of-your-grandmas-isnt-ashamed-of-you/Joe%20McGinniss

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Viola-Alex
8/26/2011 02:44:32 am

What fun! this'll teach me to come late to the party. . .

I won't bore you with my credentials, but my take is that Anon is

1. a woman
2. reasonably well educated for all the reasons others state (she can use the word "its" properly)
3. media savvy - says "news orgs" which seems awfully insider
4. more emotionally disgusted with Bristol than Sarah - the way women feel about younger, stupider women
5. Jesse is not a talented enough writer to create this persona. Just not. Although Amy1 is a very insightful commenter.
6. However, the Britta mom theory. Wow. The email does sound like her. She would know all this from Britta, who worked for Sarah, and from Track who may have found haven in their family.
7. But a preacher's wife? saying these things? usiing that language. hmmmm. possibly. The lutheran church is quite liberal (at least in the lower 48) and not at all bible-thumper, repressive.
8. Haven't you gone on vacation or business trip and not had inclination or time to hang out on blogs? I mean, this person may just want to disseminate info not play a game.
9. Yes, Media Insider is clever enough to pull this off, imo. BUT the touch about the person she cares about being "wrung" by Sarah. Too real for me to be faked. Also, great word choice there. AND Media Insider h/t ing Laura. Nah. Can't see it.
10. Yea, Floyd! The other great nugget. Someone working for Sarah might know that-- and would someone working for Sarah have been there when SP announced that it was all over. Britta?

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Floyd M. Orr link
8/26/2011 02:50:57 am

Laura & Rubbernecking: I was under the impression that UI had refused to give out definitive proof of her graduation. If I am wrong, fine. It was just a suggestion. As for the Valentine's Day notation, the first thing I would look at are the 2/8 traffic accident and the 2/13 Juneau walk for more clues. I covered both of these in more detail in the book, and the accident is one of my 88 questions that I posted yesterday. We have never actually verified if that event had anything to do with a pregnancy or not.

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lilly lily
8/26/2011 02:51:57 am

Whoever it is, I believe in her. She is real, she is ticked off in a major way. There always is that last straw. Something set her off.

And can't be harmed by Sarah. She is that secure. Britta would always choose her beloved mother over Sarah.

Was laughing after lunch at Irene. Her eye has closed which means she has weakened. An open eye means a more severe hurricane.

Coquette that this storm is, she opens and closes her eye just like our troublesome Worst Governor Ever.

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SunnyVee
8/26/2011 02:55:20 am

Sorry if this is OT -
Best update I can offer on anonymous summary from IM today. Too bad details are scattered across several threads now...

(begin quotes from Anon238)
"I am preparing to travel to Washington state for three weeks, so I'm afraid my cathartic purging will have to take a hiatus since I'll be very busy. But...I can PROMISE that Sarah and Bristol both are fit to be tied right now due to all the upcoming books, movies, books....;)
And here is a closing couple of tidbits--
I want to make sure any photos posted on twitter or face book (where she's supposed to post the "new picture" of she and Trig) are scrutinized very, very carefully! She's been told by her handlers she MUST provide a "mother and child" photo or public outing because even the hardcore glue sniffers are starting to notice they haven't seen Trig since people still thought "it's the bomb" was cool.

Second tidbit--Bristol is just spastically frantic over hearing Sadie might have access to some of her less inhibited phone camera photos and videos. When it first came out, Sarah called her and said "if these pictures exist, you HAVE to tell me so we can get ahead of it". Bristol denied, denied, denied...said she was "hurt" and "disappointed" her mom would think she'd DO such a thing!

Well Sarah is as stupid as they come but she knows her little angel Bristol. Less than an hour after that phone call where Bristol swore on TRIPP'S VERY LIFE that she had never taken "those kind" of pictures, Sarah called her back and said "you lied to me, I've just seen four of your homemade PORN videos!"

And Bristol the genius says "But...I ONLY MADE THREE!!!"

The oldest bluff in the book, but there you go.

Sarah, I hear you're just "rill" mad at me for venting some of the frustration and chaos you've forced so many to endure...maybe this will teach you to be a little nicer...especially to those in your "inner circle". Have you noticed lately that it's shrinking? Once the media finally catches on to the fact you have no birth certificate, no college degree...and medical records which you will never show...that little circle may shrink even more.

Time for me to go, but I did want to say thanks to the people who complimented my writing and recognized my off-the-cuff honesty for what it was. Normally I do not talk so much, but I think I'm one of MANY who is just sick to death of everyone (including myself...I'm deeply ashamed I have just kept quiet and should I ever get my hands on black and white proof concerning Trig's birth...I swear I will not keep it to myself) covering this crazy bitch's insanity.

Thanks again everyone who said nice things. For the ones who weren't so nice...well screw you, luckily I'm about as scared of you as I am of that emaciated quitter! I only WISH I had to "make up" stories about this psychotic egomaniac and her impossibly ill mannered brood, narcissistic pseudo spouse, and epically bullying "friends". Believe me, I wish I was among the lucky, those who had never heard the name Sarah Palin. My personal interactions with her are limited to various rude annoyances...but she has wrung the life out of someone I care about."

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Viola-Alex
8/26/2011 02:55:49 am

One last thought:

Is it possible this has flummoxed Gryph? He's so used to knowing everything and being on Top of it All. What if a curve ball came from nowhere?

Or that he knows who it is and is protecting them. While Anon may not fear Sarah, she may not want her name splattered as the person leaking. It might hurt the person being wrung by Sarah. . .

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curiouser
8/26/2011 02:58:59 am

Laura - John Killen at The Oregonian interviewed several UofIdaho professors and wrote an article that implies Palin graduated. Perhaps you or Brad could get some details from Roy Atwood. I wonder if her graduation was contingent on completion of an apprenticeship.

""I wish I could say that I knew something about her, but I just don't," said Roy Atwood, the former director of the journalism program and the faculty member who signed her application for graduation."

John Killen
The Oregonian
503-294-5055

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/08/university_of_idaho_professors.html

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Anonymouse
8/26/2011 02:59:33 am

Given that the anon insider revealing all this stuff now has to "go to Washington" for 3 weeks... I have a tiny questio whether it could be Joe McG playing some kind of really nasty joke.

just paranoid? right?

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jeff
8/26/2011 03:01:54 am


@Floyd,

I'm betting a crisp, new Benjamin that you will NOT get an interview with the Quitter if you show up at her doorstep with the list of questions on your post yesterday. Good list, however.

http://niafs.blogspot.com/

We'll do well to just have her answer "What do you read?" only because she's had nearly 3 years to think about an answer for that one and write it on her hand for reference.

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Ottoline
8/26/2011 03:07:40 am

I don't think there is any departure for WA state for 3 weeks: I think the 3 weeks is to give time for the other info scheduled to emerge to actually emerge: McG, AKM (and the likely rebuttals to that info), maybe Fred's book, the documentary, etc.

I just reread this whole thread, comparing the nuggets of intuition so many of you have stated, and so many of them DO fit a Jesse/Fred authorship. Also, if Jesse/Fred are the same person, OR if Jesse and Fred collaborated on being anon238, that would fit, too. A proofer is all Jesse would need to produce the almost (but not quite) error-free text we see.

I reject anon238 being a family member or one of the ill-educated pals of SP just because the writing is so good in a number of ways. And also, there are few people who know so many details (without a true false note, IMO) about this sad saga, as Jesse would.

Brad, re gargoyle: I take that as a compliment for you. What could be more threatening than a gargoyle? And your paper certainly is that for SP, per anon238. But the exact language of the original source for such a statement (and other statements) has obviously been filtered through the mind of the better educated anon238. As when anon238 says "Sharlott's paper was so thorough and well done," it is obviously anon's phrasing, not SP's. And this quote illustrates one of the Jesse-type errors (in the spelling of your name) that in fact are present here and there. It just all fits!

But: we wait and see.

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lilly lily
8/26/2011 03:08:21 am

We do know what she reads. Gryphens blog, Laura Novaks blog, Palingates, Polilitcalgates, Andrew Sullivan etc.

She should be getting a good liberal education, even as she has avoided learning a damn thing before this.

When it comes to protecting her ego, she is all eyes and ears.

I doubt McGinniss would waste his valuable time creating anon. Remember this, he isn't interested in Bristol and her dramas.

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Floyd M. Orr link
8/26/2011 03:13:34 am

Just another two cents: If not for one thing, I would think that Anon was Frank Bailey's wife. That one thing is that she mentioned Laura as a threat, and Laura was not publicly involved until long after Frank and his wife had flown the Palin coop. Heidi, who I greatly respect, thinks it may be Ivy Frye, but I have trouble with that one, too. To the people here saying it is Britta, I doubt it. Britta 's mom is more likely. If you just throw the dice and do the math, it is likely that Anon is a woman. The great majority of the Babygators are female. I think the insider could be either a husband of Anon or Anon's best friend. I believe Media Insider when she says it is not her. I think MI is a true Hollywood gossip wrangler and this new Anon has to be from the Wasilla/Palmer area to know the stuff she is saying. As for it being Gryphen himself, I would not put it past him, but as someone said, I do not think his proofreading is up to that of Anon. Someone else mentioned that Gryphen can see IP addresses, but someone else said he could not. As far as I know, without Disqus he cannot get that sort of detailed information about his commenters.

Thank you, Viola-Alex, for the word of encouragement.

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Ottoline
8/26/2011 03:14:39 am

lilly lilly: I agree it's not McG. He just has not revealed that kind of depth of detailed knowledge. I think his depth will be on issues other than those in our blogs, which I did not sense he had fully read (from his posts on his blog).

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Rationalist
8/26/2011 03:16:56 am

For fun, some more about Elizabeth and Britta Hanson:

In 2010 Elizabeth directed a production of "Inherit the Wind" and received a special "Board Appreciation" award from the Valley Performing Arts society.

Also, last year, Britta starred as Elizabeth Bennet in a production of "Pride and Prejudice."

This alone sets Britta so far out of the Palin world, culture-wise, that it truly does look like Track caught a huge break by marrying her.

Also, as far as Anon's grammatical correctness is concerned, Mrs. Hanson fits the bill!

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lilly lily
8/26/2011 03:17:13 am

Yes, while the media doesn't bother discecting Sarah with the vigor evidenced here and elsewhere, the three weeks hiatus might well be waiting for the three books and the dustup there.

Obviously someone who uses the term enviscorate instead of gutting or field dressin a moose is not a hunter.

So far we have had B.Austin providing us with the final picture proving she never was pregnant in March of 2008.

Shesnohockeymom with the Massage she had stating she wasn't pregnant in March.

And now what seems authentic insider scuttlebut.

Sarah Palin must be livid. Maybe she will do us a favor, jumping up and down like a female Rumplestiltskin and poof!!!!

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rubbernecking
8/26/2011 03:25:33 am

An inter-blog feud doesn't help us.

We should stick to babygate. We should focus on tips directly related to the circumstances surrounding Trig's birth.

If you really believe Anon 2:38 is legit, help prove or strengthen his/her Feb birth tip.

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Sharon_too_also
8/26/2011 03:32:42 am

@Ottoline Re: Jesse as anon

I read the anon comments yesterday clean - meaning I tripped over them when catching up on my blog reading and didn't have advance warning. Thus I was forming an opinion of the writer instinctively as I was reading the comments - and I definitely "saw" this writer as female. That seems to be the opinion of most of the commenters here.

As sensitive as Jesse can be - especially when it comes to kids - he still bumps into a lot of guy furniture when he writes. There is no 'guy furniture' in anon238's writing. As far as using all caps for emphasis - there is not other way to emphasize strong emotions on his blog. I think @Jeff got it right - Jesse has a reason for not revealing who is writing this and it's not hard for me to imagine that he is not only supporting anon but encouraging her. We may know why eventually.

As long as we're speculating the identity of the author, how about this progression:

Sarah controls and trashes Track's life - Track has all the dirt on Sarah and hates her and what she has done to his life - Britta sees what all this does to the man she loves and confides in her mother - mother is not a low life, like Sarah, and is mortified at what this is doing to her daughter . . . and her son-in-law - mother vents frustration on IM. Plausible?



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Up
8/26/2011 03:36:43 am

"She self medicates and used to give Meg fits" (re Ketamine)

Presumably Meg is Meg Stapleton. Is Meg still a close friend of Palin? Anon anon is apparently in a close circle with both the gossip and Meg Stapleton, unless MS is the gossip.

That is a piece of info Britta might have from dealing with MS at work, but not her mother unless her mother is intimately familiar with MS.

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Rationalist
8/26/2011 03:43:45 am

Sharon_too_also:

Yes, very plausible.

While we're speculating - the reason it could be a good friend of Ivy Frye is that Ivy spent a lot of time around Bristol and has definitely been "wrung dry" by Sarah. Ivy would know about porn videos, about Trig hitting Sarah, about the logistics of the mailing of Sarah's packages. I'm not sure Britta would know those kinds of details.

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Ron
8/26/2011 03:44:04 am

After reading through everything, I really think anon is Britta's mom. She's a mature, stable woman, not afraid of Sarah. Track could have had the "life wrung out of him," and she surely cares about Track.

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Rationalist
8/26/2011 03:48:42 am

Also, I just went to Ivy Frye's Facebook, and she has a lot of educated female friends. I can't get a lot of information about them, but several are from Washington State.

I'm betting one of Ivy's 184 Facebook friends is Anon238.

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Lidia17
8/26/2011 03:48:46 am

@V ictoria, "no internet for 3 weeks". Maybe someone is going on vacation. Take a look at a map of US broadband coverage; it's non-existent in many rural areas.

I tell folks the same thing when I visit my mom, who only has dial-up.. It's not worth trying to connect unless you have some work reason…

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Sharon_too_also
8/26/2011 03:55:19 am

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Sunshine1970
8/26/2011 04:00:50 am

If this is a friend of Ivy, then, I wonder, why is Ivy sticking around? Are they offering her something she can't refuse? Do they treat her with kid gloves knowing she could literally destroy everything the Palins have "worked for?"

Is Ivy sticking around so she can collect more gossip? So she can write a book? Or is she trying to collect physical evidence of the birth of Trig or Bristol's new baby?

Inquiring minds are just...well, inquiring.

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Lidia17
8/26/2011 04:01:47 am

Anon238 must be legit, because he/she is making rubbernecking become neurotic.

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SunnyVee
8/26/2011 04:01:56 am

There are a few reason why I could see anon238 being Britta's mom, esp. given the timing of all of this.

This person expressed remorse at having silently allowed things to continue, relief at speaking out, and concern for the kids as much as just personal vengeance.

I was struck, in E. Hansen's public statement, by the clarity of "love(ing) our daughter and son in law very much." - i.e., They Love Track.

Most of all - now there is a beautiful infant granddaughter at stake.

I could see her being "safe" enough to comment even if they know who she is...but this is her warning: Back of and let the kids live their life or we will support your son in spilling everything on you.

Also - funny side note - when Bristol was on the View, she said "I am not saying abstinence is for everyone...just that its whats right for me and my sisters."
That always stayed with me.

Kyla Grace born, like, 2 weeks later...

Elizabeth would be saying - You crazy inlaws back off, or else!

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Sharon_too_also
8/26/2011 04:02:57 am

Oops! Sticky fingers caused blank comment above.

Regarding trip to WA state (I grew up there) - for an Alaskan, going to WA is like going to town. The closest big city is Seattle and many Alaskans have connections there. So for anon to go to WA is not a big deal - and if you were anon, wouldn't you want to get out of the stifling atmosphere of Wasilla?

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Rationalist
8/26/2011 04:07:22 am

FYI: Anon said she would be busy, not that she wouldn't have any internet connection.

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Karen
8/26/2011 04:12:16 am

I stated this earlier, but I was hoping someone might have some insight: If Bristol recently had a baby boy she is raising in California or elsewhere, what is the end plan for introducing him to the world/her family, etc.? I'm still hung up on this point because if he was born in, say June, and you apparently intend to keep him then at what point is he outed?

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Sunshine1970
8/26/2011 04:15:41 am

I remember talk about a photo showing Britta and Track pushing a *baby* in a stroller in Arizona a few months ago. I never saw the picture myself. Perhaps this was Bristol's new addition...? (if it's true)

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Rationalist
8/26/2011 04:19:18 am

Yeah, Karen, that is a big problem in the story. Is it really possible - with all the publicity Bristol received in the past year - for her to have hidden a pregnancy?

Of course, it's possible that Anon has a lot of facts straight and some facts not straight. The "baby hidden in LA" thing is hard to accept.

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A Reader
8/26/2011 04:20:36 am

Rubbernecking said, "I don't believe Sarah and Todd use a word like eviscerate in their 1:1 conversations. I've read far too many of Sarah's emails to believe gargoyle is a part of her insult lexicon. Her idea of an insult is calling someone a pervert or jerk, or calling someone yucky or gross."

I couldn't agree more! However, any writer clever and talented enough to make these tales up out of whole cloth would also be clever enough to put her quotes into Sarah's vernacular. I think our Ranting Anonymous changed the wording either because 1) the actual quote was too gross for her to feel comfortable repeating verbatim, or 2) she remembers the spirit of what was said and expressed it in her own vocabulary.

If this is all someone's invention, then this woman/man is a far more creative writer than I am and needs to sit down and dash off a novel, because they possess amazing talents. Now, I have a pretty big ego, so for me to say that, well... I believe this writer is genuine.

I'd also like to point out that while Anon Anon first said Trig was born in February, she/he later noted that they didn't actually know the exact date, only that the baby was born before Valentine's Day.

We do know that this person's contact is still around Sarah and Bristol, since she is hearing their reactions. This person's contact could, however, have been in say, Spain, when Trig was born.

As for those wondering why this person is anonymous when they say Sarah knows who they are, that's easy: They are protecting themselves from the rest of the community.

Is it possible for someone to compile all these postings and put them up someplace?

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NSG
8/26/2011 04:23:25 am

I've been considering Elizabeth Hansen as a potential Anon, but it doesn't fit for me.

There are a number of things that I see as problematic for it to be her. Uppermost, however, is that it would pose risks to her daughter (and SIL & new granddaughter) for her to go on such a public forum basically just to tweak Sarah.

The little I've seen of Mrs. Hansen is that she seems relatively emotionally mature and sensible. When I put myself in her shoes, there's too much risk to Britta & family, and for what? If Mrs. Hansen wants to out some of Sarah's lies, etc. as some step in the public interest, she would have hard evidence about Britta's marriage or pregnancy that she could take to those "news orgs" to discredit SP. She wouldn't basically gossip about this other stuff on an anti-Sarah site.

Even if she believes she has enough info to keep herself safe, the fallout to Britta, Track & the baby, no matter how unlikely in her view, would still be potentially harmful. And that just doesn't add up for me.

It's along these lines, then, I can't see Mrs. Hansen writing these sentences by Anon: "It has been kinda freeing and deeply satisfying to share all this, knowing full well that Sarah reads here and knows who I am. She can't oust the member of her circle who shares all the gossip with me because this person has SO much on Sarah--and I know it drives her insane. I may not have the proof to bring the old bitch down, but it's certainly fun to make her squirm a bit."

To me, it's unlikely that it's a mother of a Palin-inner-circle member, more that it's a friend.

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lilly lily
8/26/2011 04:24:46 am

There is no blog feud here that I can see. Perhaps I am not perceptive.

We are speculating and brainstorming as I did in think tanks.

We throw out our thoughts and build on each others insights. If we are wrong? So what. For lack of anything else, why should anyone here have to concentrate on Babygate, unless that is their hobbyhorse.

More power to them.

We never know where the latest bit of what appears on the surface to be irrelevant will lead.

We caution each other as well, not to go overboard, and for our hostesses sanity keep our typos to the minimum.

Though I, like Bernard Shaw, regard phonetic spelling as a rational alternative to our crazy i before e except after c rules of spelling.

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lilly lilly
8/26/2011 04:33:28 am

As far as Mrs Hanson as the anon, I can see NSG reasoning.

However. How would Sarah dare hurt Track more than she has to date, or Britta if it is Mrs Hanson. It well may not be her, she may be too circumspect to enter into Immoral Minority. She is Tracks mother in law and cares for him, but her need would be to protect Britta and the grandchild even more from Sarah Palins interferance. And we know how interfering she is. A control freak to say the least.

Mrs. Hanson would not want either Britta or her grandchild used. She has a sense of privacy, and she is entitled to our respect if she stepped out of her comfort zone to rap Sarah Palins bony knuckles.

She has only to deny it at any point and all speculation as to her identity would end here.

All speculation. The ID of Deep Throat in Watergate was speculated for decades, and his identity only came out recently.

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Sharon_too_also
8/26/2011 04:36:09 am

@Karen Re: Bristol hiding latest baby.

I can certainly see them trying to hide a baby. Don't forget how much they've already gotten away with - and maybe it's just that kind of catch-me-if-you-can confidence that will be their downfall. Let's face it, Sarah is incapable of thinking things trough to their logical conclusion, so making Bristol keep the kid out of sight probably makes complete sense to her - after all, it is all about her is it not?

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anonfornow
8/26/2011 04:45:51 am

One thing I don't understand about the IM anon poster is why they keep putting their comments on an old, old thread. Their purpose must be more to stir up Sarah than to pass us information.

At first I was thinking it might be Britta's mother, but I can't see a mother visiting that kind of stress into the life of a daughter who just had a baby. Also, can't see her calling a woman of her own generation "the old bitch."

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Molly
8/26/2011 04:47:33 am

I think if Bristol did have another baby, it would have been around March or April. She looked very pregnant in the Reagan ranch picture (which I think was back in February). The photo is on Floyd's blog. I will email Laura some lightened pictures.

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Rationalist
8/26/2011 04:48:18 am

anonfornow: agreed. I'm sticking w/ a friend of Ivy Frye.

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lilly lily
8/26/2011 04:57:47 am

I'm done speculating. Hurricane Irene is all I'm speculating about at this juncture.

Will it or won't it be the absolute monster it could become, or will it peter out and be a minor hurricane sideswiping major cities like NYC.

I don't have a T.V., so am depending on the net. Hurricane was something I watched at the Showboat in A.C.. The Casino is a mockup of the French Quarter with immense murals of Mardi Gras.

It can't be worse than that one. New Orleans recovered to a degree, but will never be the pre-Kristina New Orleans. Perhaps just as well.

Who is anon? Does it really matter? We think she is authentic with an insiders view. We talk and take her info seriously.

I don't think anyone is making up her persona. She is whoever she is. REAL.

Stay safe anon.

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Molly
8/26/2011 04:59:41 am

I think you are right lilly lily....maybe we just need to concentrate on the information and not the source.

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lilly lily
8/26/2011 05:03:42 am

sorry, Hurricane Katrina not Kristina. I have a neice named Kristina so that always comes to mind.

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Allie
8/26/2011 05:04:35 am

"After seeing her in action the last two years."

It's been three years since Trig's birth. I interpreted this statement to mean that the anon poster was NOT on the Sarah scene in '08 when Trig was born and this is why she doesn't have specifics about that timeframe. That would eliminate Mrs. Hanson, who has known the Palins for years.

For me the two words that jump out are 'thrice' (who says, "A mother thrice over?" Not someone in her twenties.) and ophthalmic. This is a word frequently misspelled as how it sounds: op-thal-mic. But here it is spelled correctly. Hmmm.

For those who read my Part II, you'll remember that I posited the car accident on February 8th might have thrown Bristol into labor and that she could have delivered between then and the end of February. Delivering between the 8th and the 14th is entirely feasible because she might have been too close to term to stop the labor and it would be completely medically within norms to deliver a couple of weeks early. So why try and stop it? I have long had the feeling that Trig was born prior to Sarah announcing a pregnancy on March 5th.

One thing that I have puzzled over is how Sarah could have manipulated the actual birth date to April 18, 2008 during the adoption phase. Changing the birth parents is standard, but altering the date? Nope. I always wondered how she pulled that off. Possibly she didn't and only has the original birth certificate, and some 'splanin' to do.

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Sharon_too_also
8/26/2011 05:06:04 am

@Lidia17 Got a good chuckled from your takedown of rubbernecking. Perhaps a better name for that entity would be stiff neck - since that person is capable of only looking in one direction. . . . .

@lilly lilly Even though I posted my 'plausible progression' of the events leading to Britta's mother being anon, I'm going to contradict myself. Upon my first reading of anon's comments, it felt like the author was a close friend of a relative - possibly Sarah's sister. It really could be someone who is off of the blog followers radar because she is once removed from the actual inner circle. We cannot forget what a small place Wasilla is and that probably they are all in each others pocket so to speak.

See, that's how it's done rubber-stiff-neck. You can actually keep two separate thoughts in your head at one time.

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dlb44
8/26/2011 05:08:52 am

@Floyd Orr

Scroll to the bottom of IM, and you'll see that Gryphen has included stats for his blog. Click on the View Stats link, then click on Visitor Paths (left side-bar), and you'll see that IP addresses and ISPs are listed. So, yes, Gryphen can see where people are coming from. Lots of interesting stuff to look at in those stats.

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lilly lily
8/26/2011 05:18:02 am

I am a gambler, though I've kept out of Casinos for the past few years. So I know the adrenaline rush losing, winning again, losing, regaining your stake gives.

Also skating on the edge of trouble and danger.

Sarah is addicted to adrenalyn rushes. . And the whole of America is a sucker to be fleeced. Motherhood, Hallmark card style.. multiple children trotted out or hidden as the public role of Grizzley mom demands. These people love fooling the bots, it is a game they play.

Let us see what new pictures she will release to her faithfull cult following.

I look in on one of her bots twitters, and it is hourly postings of pictures of the divine Sarah and her children. Picture postcards of the happy, happy Palins. Praising her beauty and predicting her reign as Madam President hourly. Countdowns of Obama days in office. A cult following waiting to be activated for her running as a Candidate. Bravado.

Underneath all the hype, they know she won't make it.

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Karen
8/26/2011 05:33:08 am

dlb44, Thanks for pointing that out. There is a Wasilla IM visitor who has 5368 visits. Even a visitor today from "Alaska State Government." Fascinating stuff.

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Viola-Alex
8/26/2011 05:34:56 am

I guess I don't care who Anon is, just what she says. And that she'll come back. I think it was quite thoughtful of her to post in one location.

If anything, I'd like to think up ways Anon can pass along news org-worthy material besides a birth certificate. That's why I liked Floyd's point about no college degree.

Well, if a new photo shows up of Sarah and Trig, won't that be proof of something? By the way, who are Sarah's "handlers" as Anon mentioned?

RE: Bristol hiding a baby. Didn't her mom do that? Isn't it just the same story repeating? Wait a few months, TA-DAA! A new adopted baby! Wait and see. That will be the climax of her reality show. These Palins just need to keep thinking up the answers as they move along. . .

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Sharon_too_also
8/26/2011 05:39:26 am

@lilly lily As much as I can feel empathy and understand where anon2:38 is coming from, I cannot for the life of me get into the head of a bot. It is not possible for me to understand the idolatry of someone as empty as Sarah Palin. You are a brave soul to even read their tweets.

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SunnyVee
8/26/2011 05:43:24 am

fyi to someone who mentioned it...

One of the first/second posts from Anon238 lamented that Trigs birth parents should just come and take him,
because there never was an official adoption or custody agreement established.

So (esp. if we believe Anon238, that ia) someone just has to get to the little guy's birth certificate !!!

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lilly lily
8/26/2011 05:54:52 am

Oh, I had a bit of a dust up with this bot and told her to step back and take a good look at her idol. I was kind to her because her name is similar to someone who lives in the next town, but then I found out she was in Pa not Jersey.. But I did stop in to look at her twittering once a day.

Pathetic. She has a photoshopped picture of Sarah Palin coming down the gangway of Airforce One with the Seal on its side adjusting her red sandle. Sexy Sarah.

I don't respond or interact, I look in and marvel. A 61 year old woman in love with another womans looks, and hating President Obama. Alternating tweets showing this fanatic love of her idol and her hatred of the President, counting the days before her idol takes his place.

It is her life, truly her life she has invested in this woman.

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Rationalist
8/26/2011 05:56:49 am

OMG, I am not getting anything done today!

Viola-Alex: You are right. If you've hidden one baby, there's no reason to think you can't hide another one. It's just that Bristol was on national television at that point, not hiding out in Anchorage.

Many of the pictures of Bristol on DWTS just look chunky. But in the shiny blue military style dress (http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/05/adding-income-that-bristol-will-earn-in.html) her belly truly looks pregnant. I can say with some experience that Spanx just creates a kind of a flat thickness when it squishes a person. It does not create a round, pregnant-looking belly.

Also - after DWTS, Bristol went to Haiti with her mom and was photographed wearing the traditional maternity sweatshirt and long scarf.

So how long was it, after Haiti, that she was photographed again? Was there time for her to get really big and pregnant?

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K.M.R
8/26/2011 05:57:47 am

"the "baby hidden in LA" thing is hard to accept."
I don't think so. After the heat dies down, Bristol and family could say she decided to adopt and playmate for Tripp. She promotes abstinence after all and doesn't see herself getting pregnant and time soon as she is too busy with her career.
We, who follow the ins and outs of all-things-Palin, would see right through it but a large percentage of the population would commend her for making such a brave decision.

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K.M.R
8/26/2011 06:01:24 am

Where's the edit button?

I'm nearly as bad a Jesse when it comes to proof reading. Sorry for the errors above.

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rubbernecking
8/26/2011 06:25:01 am

Chill, guys. I said the Anon 2:38 might be mixing fact with fiction. The alleged Palin quotes don't ring true to me. I explained why.

If the Palins are using multisyllabic latin-root words in their arguments at home, I'm entering a beauty pageant to pay my bills.

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lilly lily
8/26/2011 06:38:15 am

Anon could be doing anything. We have no way of knowing what is what, except through our instinctive feelings for fakery or authenticity. We are sorting it out amongst ourselves.

I don't get the feeling she is lying or salting the mine. She is getting things off her chest. Either the tidbits are authentic or they are not.

Sarah could have picked up the remark from someone else. She is a parroting speaker. She doesn't hesitate to borrow and steal a phrase, though she is always calling people on supposedly imitating her.

Someday look at John Cleese of Monty Python fame talking about Sarah Palin. He calls her a parrot, and that is what she is. Also a thieving Magpie. If it sounds good to her she will take up the phrase. More likely if it sounds folksy for the folks, or Mrs macho balls of steel, for the gun nutters out there.

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Molly
8/26/2011 06:47:21 am

Sarah probably heard the word gargoyle from some of her staff......I imagine a few of them are educated?

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Dirge
8/26/2011 06:54:39 am

"You may be right but she lives on the compound at Lake Lucile so I just get a feeling that it's too close for comfort. Could you imagine sitting down at the dinner table together?!"

I think it was established long ago that the Lake Lucille house doesn't even HAVE a dining room table. The Palins sure don't seem like a family that gets together to talk over their day. What a conversation that would be, if they did! "Willow, whose house did you burgle last night?"

People familiar with Alaska birth certificates have said that the Palins could get one with their names as the parents, but the date and place of birth would not change. I think that's what's holding Sarah up. At this point I'm not sure I'd believe it even if she produced one.

I'm inclined to believe that Anon is on the level; what I can't believe is that people in Wasilla aren't setting up interviews for themselves and making money off this stuff!

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Linguist
8/26/2011 06:57:06 am

I haven't carefully read all the posts from today, and perhaps this has already been noted, but the new anon posting at IM has at least one glaring and telling grammatical error -- anon writes of a "picture of she and Trig." This should be "picture of her and Trig" -- using the accusative case after the preposition "to."

This is what is known as a hypercorrection. It is an incorrect grammatical usage that people use when they are trying to sound better educated or more "high-toned" than they really are.

It is a grammatical lapse often committed by the college educated, alas. But it is not one committed by real writers who have experience with real editors.

The misuse of pronoun case after prepositions -- generally a substitution of the nominative case for the correct accusative case (misuse of whoever and whomever, particularly) can be a dead give-away about authorship.

I think we should scrutinize the other posts to see if cases have been similarly misused.

But I remain impressed by the correct spelling of "ophthalmic."

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Viola-Alex
8/26/2011 07:05:55 am

Thanks, Linguist, for bringing that up. It JUMPED at me. You're absolutely right about its usage. My husband, who did not go to college, uses that construction often. I gently remind him.

The comment's spellcheck spots a misspelling of ophthalmic but you'd have to look it up to get it right. At least I would!

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Sunshine1970
8/26/2011 07:42:53 am

I don't think anyone ever said this anon-anon is a writer, nor has she/he said she/he's a writer. Just someone getting this stuff off their chest.

I went back and re-read the comments. I do not believe this is Mrs. Hanson. I think Rationalist is closer to the truth. Someone close to Ivy Frye. And why that woman stays with the Palins is beyond me. Unless she feels she needs to care for the children to give them some stability.

From the writing, I get the feeling of someone who is young, but not too young, and someone that has a college education, and is sane. Very sane.

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molly malone
8/26/2011 07:55:16 am

I am very late to the party and have probably missed waaaay too much to contribute anything worthwhile. But here goes anyway . . .

Seems to me that Anon presented a great deal of information which--if true--could only have come from someone with close up personal knowledge of, and easy access to, the Palin family's closet. So my best guess is that it's a family member.

I know next to nothing about Sarah's siblings: Chuck, Heather and Molly. But from somewhere I did get the impression that Heather has often been assigned the job of batting cleanup--a pretty thankless role, I suspect, and one that might cause a good friend or relative to cinch up her britches and wade in to "set things to rights". (Yup, total guesswork on my part.)

And while I'm guessing, here's another one. I found it a bit unusual for Anon to say, "I'm going to Washington State..." Usually--because travel to and from Alaska is so common--the name of the city is given rather than the state, i.e., I'm going to Seattle, Spokane, Olympia, Juneau, Anchorage, Ketchikan or wherever. Now, could be Anon is going to a place few have heard of, or could be Anon figured the location was no body's business (which of course it isn't). Could even be that Anon truly will be so busy there will be no time to post on the Web. On the other hand, could be that Anon will be in the Tri-Cities in Eastern Washington, where Palin's relatives live, and were she (yes, I'm quite certain Anon is female) to post from there, Gryphen would most certainly be able to do the math.

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Melly
8/26/2011 07:59:16 am

@Karen:

From Floyd's blog, a brutal list of "debate" questions for Sarah Palin.

Oh, and a happy family picture that looks to be new with Trig, Sarah, Bristol and Willow.


http://niafs.blogspot.com/2011/08/meanwhile-back-at-ranch.html


**********

The pic is old, from the Reagan Ranch visit, 2010 (2009?).

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Viola-Alex
8/26/2011 08:15:12 am

Question about Ivy Frye. If you know what she looks like will you look at my photos from Texas Wal- Mart and tell me if that is her? if that is she? yikes.

http://www.lauranovakauthor.com/1/post/2011/07/best-little-farce-in-texas-by-viola-alex.html

the one wearing glasses? there is another blonde standing to the side.

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eclecticsandra
8/26/2011 08:17:17 am

I wonder where Ivy Frye is. We saw so many pictures of her with Piper as a little girl. That last trip when Piper was acting so snarly was quite a departure from previous behaviors. Could it be that that was evidence that Sarah had "wrung the life out of" Piper?

I'm sure Ivy can write well, and she would know about News org, etc.

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NSG
8/26/2011 08:19:34 am

Hi, V-A,

I can't tell from the pics, but here's a pic of Ivy, in case you recognize her.

http://www.akrepublicans.org/gallery/green/P5050020

Hope this works & helps!

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Karen
8/26/2011 08:31:46 am

@Melly-yes, thanks, another commenter pointed out my error and I noticed myself on further reflection because Trig is too young.

@Sunshine-I'm with you, I would peg the poster as 26-32, young enough to speak "Gurl"-talk, old enough/educated enough to use a hyphen in a complex modifier; i.e., "open-handed smack."

Now, aside from from whom the information is coming, what avenues do we have to explore whether the information is indeed true?

Hate to think we won't hear anything for another three weeks. It's kind of like that great guy/gal you meet and have an over-the-top, fabulous first encounter with, can't stop thinking about and then -- The Doubt. Will he call? ...will she come back?

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Susan
8/26/2011 08:36:48 am

Anon says Sarah and Bristol are "fit to be tied".

Fit to be tied
Meaning - To be furious.
Origin - This refers to the practice of bounding uncontrollable, dangerous people into strait-jackets.

Sounds like something a psychologist might say....coincidence?

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Sunshine1970
8/26/2011 08:45:22 am

No, I don't think so because I say that phrase sometimes, & I'm not in the medical field.

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Ottoline
8/26/2011 08:48:17 am

Brad-- the more I think about "gargoyle," the more I like it as one of the perfect examples of the content and quality of Palin-supporter rebuttals to your fine, well-reasoned paper: charlatan, harlot, and gargoyle. Did anyone offer an explanation of the Mar 14 photo? Any explanation of anything? Any attempt at all to be logical? No, just charlatan, harlot, and gargoyle. I'm sure you will use this in the humor section of the talks you give about your paper. A badge of honor, IMO.

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nancydrewed link
8/26/2011 08:57:34 am

Back to the question of the college degree -- I did some digging around some time ago about this and posted about it. Maybe someone could follow up, but what I found was that for fundraising purposes, the U of I considers you an alumnus well before the completion of degree hours -- if memory serves at about the 3/4 mark. Unusual, I believe. At that point Development Officers would find her name added to that compilation. They later could honestly send out PRs describing her as an alum. At the time, fall of 2008, she would have been fundraising gold (or so they thought). She also would have sat for the yearbook portrait well before her studies ended. As far as I know, without Sarah's permission, the actual Registrar's Office would not have been able to certify/verify her completion of studies. Privacy wall between administration and fundraising left intact.

I'm going with her skipping off before entirely finishing. We have a friend who made jokes over the years about how opera singer, Thomas Hampson, still owed him a paper in order to graduate. Hampson, of course, had taken off early to start his European singing career. He did eventually write that paper. I suspect Sarah headed out because she had fish to pick. :-)

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Floyd M. Orr link
8/26/2011 09:09:23 am

DLB44, thanks for the info. I was not aware that Gryph used a stat counter aside from Feedjit. From what I can see, though, the IP address of the specific visiting computer is not shown, only that of the ISP. Anyone who looks at the page at the right time can view the location of the commenter on either Feedjit or Stat Counter. If someone who might have looked at the stats soon after the Anon comments were posted would speak up, we could at least confirm if Anon was commenting from Wasilla or nearby. I expect Gryphen has already checked that point, whether he is telling us about it or not. Thanks again for the stat update. Interesting.

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Viola-Alex
8/26/2011 09:33:06 am

@NSG. Thanks. I'm thinking the woman I saw was Frye, but looking quite "wrung" out-- She had a thankless job of herding Bristol and Tripp. It wasn't pretty. But then, when did Frye leave? And wasn't she really pally with Bristol, like a babysitter?

Nancydrewed: Good stuff. Imagine if you contacted UI and as a Governor said you were an alumnus. Would they check or just take your money? Graduation can be verified. Businesses do it all the time and Universities checking up on job applicants. I wonder how they can and ordinary people can't.

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DLB44
8/26/2011 09:40:12 am

@Floyd,

The IP addresses of the user's ISP can be seen in the Recent Visitor Activity section of Gryphen's stats. If people have firewalls set up between their computers and the ISP, you will never see their personal IP address. Also, some folks configure their PCs to use a different IP address each time they log on for extra security. However, even the IP address of the ISP is helpful information.

For example, here is someone from Wasilla who has visited IM 5362 times.

Number of Entries:
1
Entry Page Time:
26 Aug 2011 15:10:36
Visit Length:
0 seconds
Browser:
Firefox 3.6
OS:
WinVista
Resolution:
1366x768

Total Visits:
5362
Location:
Wasilla, Alaska, United States
IP Address:
Mta Solutions (72.35.102.200)
Referring URL:
theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/sarah-palin-presents-flute-playing-as.html
Visit Page:
theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/

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nancydrewed link
8/26/2011 10:11:33 am

Well, y'all (that's practicing for a Perry presidency) are probably all more computer savvy when it come to IP/ISP trails. But I don't know that I'd run too far with it since feedjit allows you to randomly reset your location. I once found that when I traced my ID map that I "was" a long-time poster from Edinburgh, Scotland. Now, don't I wish? ;-) I'm not.

IOW, I'd like to hear from a techie here.

BTW. As regards the diploma from U of I. This was the absence-of-vetting moment that floored me in 2008. First, vetting didn't happen, obviously. Second, this person was someone who potentially was to have top-secret, eye's only security clearance. Remarkable. And I don't think we've begun to see the revelations from that race which are long overdue from the GOP, if they'd like to put the party to rights.

Also, when someone says they are traveling to WA state, that generally means not Seattle, Tacoma or Spokane. It means "it's a big state and you've never heard of this particular destination". FWIW

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Rationalist
8/26/2011 10:20:29 am

ivy frye is definitely one step away from being a family member. She would certainly know too much for palin to cross her. Well, it's all speculation, but that's my guess.

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nancydrewed
8/26/2011 10:50:24 am

sorry Laura -- always in need of the edit button am i.

"it <i>comes</i> to IP/ISP……

@Rationalist -- Does anyone think Ivy Frye would express herself like this though? I can't imagine that. Her emails keeping Todd Palin up-to-date didn't exhibit that kind of writing skill nor back-at-you sense of humor. I guess I should take another look.

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NSG
8/26/2011 10:54:54 am

@nancydrewed, my thoughts about Ivy's role is that she may be the one who Sarah has "wrung the life out of" and Anon is the friend of hers who cares.

Just more speculation. HTH...

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Up
8/26/2011 11:19:34 am

so about Palin's schedule, I've only gone through Going Rogue so far. On 1/15 or 1/16 she gave the state of the state address then went to Fort Bennington, Georgia for Track's graduation from boot camp. No security, and No photos of the event in GR despite her crowing over her pride. (Maybe Track wouldn't agree to having his picture as an adult included?)

Her next statement about her whereabouts was the Iron Dog over Valentine's Day, then she leaves for DC for the Nat'l Governors Association meeting. This must be the trip where her security detail said she didn't look 6 1/2 months pregnant in jeans.

If Bristol did indeed give birth in the days

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Up
8/26/2011 11:23:17 am

Sorry! Hit send too soon.

If Bristol did secretly give birth in the week before 2/14/08, how must she have felt with both parents leaving her when she was so fragile? Some days I do feel sorry for that girl, at least the girl she once was.

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Freckles
8/26/2011 12:17:12 pm

NCSP stands for Nationally Certified School Psychologist. I know--I'm a retired NCSP. So, does Elizabeth Hanson work as a school psychologist?

The Hansons do seem like good people.

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VeryPolitik
8/26/2011 12:41:56 pm

The Anon @IM could be someone that we have not yet been introduced to. Let's assume for a minute that Anon is legit the statements sound like she (because of the Gurl comment), is very familiar to the Palin family yet very secure and brave, if you will, in her willingness to make these statements. I do not think it is Britta but I have considered the possibility that it is one of Sarah's sisters. Someone mentioned Lauden earlier. Lauden is Bristol and Willow's cousin (Sarah's sister Heather's daughter).

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SLQ
8/26/2011 01:12:09 pm

I don't know if someone has already posted this or not, but here is the schedule for February 1-13, 2008. This is from the "Important Documents" link on Politicalgates (right side of page). http://www.box.net/shared/4ehka8vp11#/shared/4ehka8vp11/4/31987008/331664388/1

After just a cursory glance, it appears that according to her official schedule, she was in Juneau most of the time, with a few days in Anchorage. Here's a brief rundown:

Fri 2/1: Anchorage, one redacted appointment, one evening event, the rest of the day clear.
Sat 2/2: Drove to Seward, appointments mid-day. SP, Todd, Piper flew to Juneau late evening
Sun 2/3: One tentative event, Willow flies to Juneau in evening
Mon 2/4: Several appts. throughout the day
Tue 2/5: Several appts. throughout the day
Wed 2/6: Several appts. that end at 2:15 pm, nothing rest of the day
Thu 2/7: Appts. begin at 11:30 am.
Fri 2/8: A bunch of phone interviews back-to-back -- not sure of topic -- scattered appts. rest of day. Late eve, SP, Willow, & Piper fly to Anchorage.
Sat 2/9: No appts. until eve. -- banquet w/Piper in Anc. (poor thing)
Sun 2/10: Iron dog race start mid-day, mtg. all afternoon. Late eve, SP, Willow, Piper fly to Juneau
Mon 2/11: Scattered appts. throughout day
Tue 2/12: Scattered appts. throughout day, banquet in eve.
Wed 2/13: Scattered appts. throughout day, banquet in eve.

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dlb44
8/26/2011 01:14:05 pm

@nancydrewed

As I explained in an earlier post, Gryphen has stats enabled, not just feedjit. Go to IM, scroll to the bottom, click on View My Stats, then click on Recent Visitors (left sidebar). You can see the IP addresses and locations of visitor ISPs. This is not feedjit, and stats are not editable. There are tons of interesting stats, maps, etc.

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Laura Novak link
8/26/2011 01:29:13 pm

Another day of great conversation and great comments everyone. Thank you!

I'm going to log off for the night and put comments back into moderation.

I'll post in the morning the comments you make overnight.

Many thanks again!

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jk
8/26/2011 01:29:48 pm

I might have missed something: is it clear that Trig was born _in the week before_ Valentine's Day? Or just _by_ Valentine's Day? I'm remembering another interesting anon at IM ("432") who said that Trig was "startlingly premature." Could he have been born in early Feb or even January? In which case Bristol would've been post-partum at the time of the traffic accident?
I'm also vaguely remembering a discussion one one of the blogs (Audrey's?) a long time ago, about one weekend in early 2008 when the family comings & goings were curious. Anyone recall the details?

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BfromC
8/26/2011 01:49:14 pm

I did some Ivy Frye Facebook research last night after posting here. Since my comment went into overnight mode until Laura came back in the morning, I posted it on Polgates last night.

Ivy's Facebook page is not private. It states that she went to U of Idaho, getting a B.A. degree in International Studies in 2003. She graduated from Palmer HS in 1999.

She lists as employers (in this order):
SarahPAC, SBG Consulting, Harper Collins, Office of Governor Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin for Governor, and Alaska State Legislature. (Didn't she work for Lyda Green first?)

It says she is now in Grad School at Creighton U (Omaha, NE), class of 2014, Doctorate of Occupational Therapy.

I assumed she was in Nebraska, but I discovered that Creighton has an OT Doctoral program in Anchorage. So I'm assuming she is able to study from there. Whether she still works for SarahPAC would be in question.

One of her Facebook friends is Grace Frye. There are two women in the photo, an older one and a younger woman. I first assumed it was her mother, and went with the idea that her mother might be anon anon. But I can not confirm that Ivy's mother is around or alive. She does have a sister, Lyla Grace, who apparently goes by the name Grace. So her sister could well be the younger one in the photo. There are no other Fryes in the friends list.

I found their father Paul's obit online. He died of cancer in 2000. No wife mentioned, but a fiance. I'm sure the girls were really close to him, it was mentioned in the obit how while ill, he still managed to drive his daughter home from college in Idaho, and was devoted to his family.

I'm not interested in "outing" anon anon, but someone close to Ivy really seems possible. From all accounts, Ivy proved to be the most loyal and longstanding Palin insider. She chaperoned Bristol in LA and would definitely know if there was a pregnancy going on during that time and would probably know where all the SarahPAC money has been going.

The person has to be in on the very latest conversations in the Palin household, so I'd think the wife of Bailey would not be possible. And Britta's mom, though a possibility, would likely be focusing on the baby and keeping the good part of the family together right now. Out of respect for Track & Britta, I wouldn't think she'd be "going there" right now.

It appears to me that Ivy undoubtedly would be a candidate for one of the "most wrung out" associates of Sarah, if you add up how far back she goes and what all she went through with Sarah.

I was struck by her interest in OT, too. Could it have something to do with seeing the needs of Trig going unmet?

If it should turn out to be the other theory, of Jesse writing the posts, what about the possibility of him getting some help from his daughter? Just an idea.

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SLQ
8/26/2011 02:05:52 pm

I listed the schedule for all the dates in February before 2/14, because the new Anon said this:

"I don't know how she will deal with the Trig issue if she runs. She has a birth certificate with February instead of April, and it does not have the "right" names. There was never a formal adoption or even custody agreement. Trig's birth parents COULD just take him and Sarah would have jack shit for recourse. "

then

"I'm not sure of the exact date. I know he was already born on Valentine's day 2008, though. I have not actually seen the birth certificate, only heard discussion by family members as to why they can never show it. "

(I took the later statement to mean that she was not sure of the exact date in February, but you could also take it to mean she misspoke when she earlier said the b/c was from February, and the "exact date" was simply before 2/14 and not necessarily in February. I was not accounting for earlier statements by anons or otherwise -- just this particular statement, and just for brevity's sake.)

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CanadianNeighbour
8/26/2011 02:10:06 pm

Has anyone considered that "Anon" could be an individual from the Wooten camp? Palin's ex brother-in-law is a prime example of someone being "wrung" by Palin.

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Old Vandal
8/26/2011 02:16:57 pm

I'm one of those who has always doubted Sarah's college degree. I actually know the guy who is quoted as saying he signed her degree application, and I don't think he went into the archives and checked to make sure she graduated. He's simply the person in the department who would have signed her application if it had passed over his desk. Why would anyone believe that a sitting governor lied about their degree? It wouldn't enter their head to verify it.

Whoever said Idaho considers you an alum if you simply attended is right. I've long wished someone in Moscow would go into the archives in the university library and look at their copy of the original 1987 commencement program. Of course, it wouldn't prove anything if her name isn't there, since it could have been accidently left off, but it would be a pretty strong indicator.

Idaho in the 80s had a strict core curriculum that everyone had to take. And they were not nice about accepting transfer credits. I can't believe she got all her credits to transfer over--especially from two different community colleges--and somehow managed to graduate with only one extra semester on top of having changed majors.

I also find it curious that this anon has only been around Sarah two years, yet she know Sarah doesn't have a degree. Did the family talk about it "around the kitchen table" when Palingates ran that in depth exploration of the subject last year?

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Susan
8/26/2011 02:18:15 pm

Ketamine fact sheet
"cause stimulant like weight loss during periods of heavy use"

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:EFbSIUN6EcsJ:www.druginfo.nsw.gov.au/__data/page/1275/druglinkketaminefactsheet.pdf+ketamine+tongue&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESh9g8ihIt_8ykibeCMQZ6UxcrB2P9rBxVTiJTL0z8wOBj21xY8GnnIzTer7EQsPy6IzK8u8j6UIeoXOxc4dnzAlvIl1dPQxVl1EXQe6GUBwwUB75UpuX3a4SXMg_j-P-QqJO5YH&sig=AHIEtbR8qRpTA1T63_wsl5MKBQieP_LF6A

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Rationalist
8/26/2011 03:24:15 pm

sorry: not being clear. I don't think anon is ivy. I think the "wrung out" one is ivy & anonis a good friend.

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V ictoria link
8/26/2011 03:48:27 pm

I finally copied over the messages posted at IM and have taken a deeper look at them.

Alas, I now have my doubts about their having been written by Elizabeth Hanson. There are a couple of phrases - "old bitch" in reference to SP and "dickhead" in reference to Todd Palin - that simply do not sound as if they were written by a woman of her age and standing. Not impossible, but not so likely.

I also think the poster's complete knowledge of the bloggers and investigation of SP seems too thorough - knowing about Audrey, Rebecca Mansour, Gryphen, Brad and Laura - the attention to them in the comments is unusual - almost as if trying to praise them and encourage them. Which makes me think it could be someone from "our" side.

But the other details - all the medical information - are very explicit. I almost wonder if it's someone on CBJ's staff?

Alas, I can't seem to reach any conclusion, but I'm throwing out these observations for discussion.

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Suelu
8/26/2011 04:32:50 pm

jk....vaguely, I think I know what you are referring to. A light bulb went off in my head as well.

It has to do with a speaking engagement Sarah had in Fairbanks, several last minute changes to air travel, discrepencies in travel documents, confusion about who was in attendance, suspicions that Lauden may have been a stand in for Bristol at the event. Changes to retrun flight arrangements, wherein Piper was riding by car with others, I am not sure who, from Fairbanks to Wasilla. I think it was an event for the Heart Association.

Interestingly, also of concern, was a lack of photo evidence for the event, or at least photo evidence that confirmed Bristol did in fact attend. The interest in this particular event was raised because of the speculation that Bristol was, or was suspected of, being pregnant at the time. I do remember the discrepencies, and especially thinking it curious that Piper would return home by car, a very long drive, in the dead of winter.

Does any of this ring a bell?

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Heidi3
8/26/2011 08:39:29 pm

To jk, Friday @ 20:29 -

Yes, I agree that Bristol 'could' have been postpartum when she had the minor car accident in Wasilla outside of a medical clinic. Do we know what clinic that was? CBJ's (guessing)?

I will have to look long and hard through the somewhat recent comments at IM to find it, but I have penciled in on pg. 86 of Floyd Orr's "Paradigm Shift" book, (Babygate timeline section of February, 2008) that the most recent baby Dr. CBJ had delivered at that time, and she'd only delivered three - ever! was on 2-7-08, presumably in Anchorage. The commenter was sure of the date, but I'll have to research if he indeed stated Anchorage. As we've seen, most 'bombshells' are revealed in IM's comments, so I know that's where I read it. The commenter had done sufficient detailed research into CBJ's career for me to have found that factoid to be credible.

I've never given birth (and I won't now, at my age!), so I really know not whereof I speak. Would it be possible for Bristol to give birth in Anchorage with CBJ's assistance early AM on 2-7-08, and then be driving a car to a Wasilla medical clinic on 2-8-08?

Per "shitfire", the commenter @4:32 on IM's 6-2-11 post (link below), s/he stated:

1. Trig was born two months earlier than stated by the Palins. He was NOT born at Mat Su. Keep in mind the only way I could state certainly where he was NOT born...is to know where he WAS born.

2. (I omitted; it regards 'wild ride')

3. Trig that was born AS Trig (meaning the "first" Trig) did indeed have an ear deformity. In my professional opinion, it is highly unlikely the infant presented at the Republican National Convention was the "original" Trig.

4. Cathy Baldwin Johnson WAS present at the delivery of Trig in February 2008. Sarah Palin was NOT present.

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=9361564&postID=6300421337309010801

- - - - - -

Thank you for the kind words, Floyd. One point of clarification.. I do not feel that Ivy Frye IS our "Insider Anon", but I feel that Anon is one orbit path (layer) removed outside of whomever is in the Inner Circle. I agree that Anon is a female, and could be a well-spoken close friend of Ivy's. Of all the people I can think of who has the most possible "goods" on Sarah, it's Ivy. But, with the media-savvy comment Anon made, I'm thinking Meg Stapleton is also a possiblity.

But Anon knows very recent details, e.g. Trig whacking Sarah (hee hee!), and I'm not sure if Ivy has been around much lately. Where did I read this just yesterday? - that Ivy is currently pursuing an advanced degree at a university in Nebraska, and kind of got thrown under the bus after DWTS. Regardless, I read that on a blog somewhere, and have absolutely no way to know if it's true; I certainly don't mean to start a rumor. But I'm thinking that even if Ivy is away somewhere, she more than likely still has eyes and ears inside the Palin household (Britta? nannies?).

I always like to sum up, so people know where I stand with my *theories*, and of course, that's all they are:

Bristol gave birth to severely premature Ruffles in February, 2008 in Anchorage. He (Mercede said "baby brother") was kept in the NICU at first, then *possibly* cared for by Dar Miller until his unveiling in the 5-3-08 Palin kitchen photos and 5-4-08 Kristan Cole baby shower photos.

Insider Anon says the "10 lb. baby held by Sally Heath in the Mat-Su photo was a "rent-a-baby". I believe that, and believe that CBJ 'found' him specifically for that occasion, and that he is unrelated to any of our 'players'.

Lastly, I believe that the RNC baby, ("Trig #2") was, - and I hate to use the word "obtained", or let's say, "not formally adopted" - through a Fundie-type connection, be it "Dr." Gina Loudon in St. Louis, Franklin Graham, or Wasilla church connections thanks to CBJ's sexual abuse/teenage mothers field of practice. Via Gina Loudon, it's very possible that Sarah realized what a political boon it could be to 'adopt' a Down Syndrome child, and cover for Bristol's "Ruffles" at the same time. Sarah obviously has no maternal caring for this precious Trig, and considers/considered him useful only as a prop.

I think Trig #1 (Ruffles) has a father who dare not be whispered about (but dear Levi is clueless), birthed by Sarah's unmarried 17 year old daughter Bristol who got pregnant at age 16. That being so politically toxic, Sarah had to hide the babe and fake a career-advantageous, noble, frontier-woman, pro-life DS pregnancy. And because Tripp was on his way, 'engaged to be married' Bristol had to be padded to a faked 5-month stage at the Sept.'08 RNC to 'prove' that only Sarah could have 'birthed' the 'adopted' Trig #2. And at the RNC, bolster-boobed Bristol was breastfeeding Ruffles. Actually, it's quite simple! But very, very sick, because Sarah hatched the unconscionably selfish plot.

Sorry this is getting so long... But my theory doesn't work if we consider this from

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rubbernecking
8/26/2011 10:58:53 pm

@SLQ, thanks that is helpful. I'm not sure the best way to amend but I'd also add:

2/1 - Palin attends West Anchorage HS Auditorium reopening with "family". The principal sent a thank you email on 2/2. http://www.crivellawest.net/palin2011/pdf/11837.pdf

2/8 - Bristol's car accident. (src: Floyd Orr).

2/13 - Palin's Juneau Walk (src: Floyd Orr).

2/14 - Piper and Willow fly JNU-ANC. Bristol, Piper, and Willow fly ANC-FBKS (src: Palin's schedule).

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B
8/26/2011 11:33:33 pm

@jk. The American Heart Assoc. Go Red luncheon in Fairbanks, Feb. 15, 2008. The AHA said that Bristol attended with Sarah, but we could find no photos. "Dangerous" asserted the public appearance as evidence that Bristol was not Trig's birth mom.

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lilly lily
8/26/2011 11:36:53 pm

Not impressed with correct spelling if she has spellcheck.

I have an extensive vocabulary but my spelling can vary from correct to incorrect in the same paragraph as my thoughts are quicker than my fingers. I don't use spellcheck and often don't proofread what I have written. Time is short, lots to do.

What did strike me is that I was spitting nails about someone useing medications for mental issues. I was writing here on this thread.

Anon quickly rushed to defend the use of the gel as limited to joint pains. Careful to say Sarah was not addicted to this med, though she was liable to take two of any meds if the directions said take one.

This is someone closer who is somewhat familiar with her drug habits. Much Closer than a friend of Ivy Frye.

Why would a friend mention this Med specifically if it was used only for joint pains.

Anon attributes the joint pains to poor nutritian. That is possible. Her intake of foods are peculiar to say the least.

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Ennealogic link
8/27/2011 12:53:50 am

What's Todd doing when he's not acting the dutiful husband during bus tours? What if he has a regular squeeze he spends time with when home in Wasilla? What if Todd is the source of the inside information that this Anon is revealing?

I was trying to think of who would know so much about Sarah that they'd be immune to being thrown under the bus? Todd fits that category. And what kind of relationship might he have with this Anon who writes so well? One in which they have intimate discussions. Who has had the life wrung out of him, moreso than Todd?

The only trouble with this is it paints Todd in a more sympathetic light than I'm used to seeing around him.

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Laura Novak link
8/27/2011 12:59:02 am

Wow, Ennealogic, great point. And one we hadn't thought of. And if it is a "friend" of his, he would be painted in a positive light.

Food for thought on this Saturday morning...

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Viola-Alex
8/27/2011 01:01:08 am

@Heidi3: I enjoyed your summary and theory. Thanks for laying that out. One question though. . .what happened to Ruffles? Is Bristol holed up in LA condo with THREE babies?

As for the Ivy/Meg theories, I would think that Anon is one step removed but intimate with someone on the inside. She does refer to insiders like Frank and Meg in a way that's meant to show closeness.

If an insider has ALL the goods on Sarah, then Sarah might fear her talking, no?

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lilly lily
8/27/2011 01:11:53 am

Someone who knows Palins med use could be someone working in a medical office who isn't a professional but who knows the scuttlebut, has read her charts and doesn't give a hoot about HIPAA. Not very likely but remotely possible.

For example the cleaning staff, though anon seems to be on a higher intellectual level. I have known college educated girls who do work at anything for school money. Including housecleaning.

I was spitting nails. I was appalled at the womans indiscrimate use of drugs if she expects to be in the White House.

Prescription Meds are notorious for very strange side effects, that is why they are prescribed and not available over the counter.

Some anon from Wasilla at IM wrote about the former and present druggist in Wasilla. Others must have read that post. I won't repeat it.

The McCain camp didn't vet this woman AT All. And once she was on board they could have scuttled her and didn't.

They are as despicable as she is.

The Heath and Palin girls as teens were used interchangably, and people didn't seem to know, possibly even Molly and Sarah on the college graduation shot, which is why Sarah may have figured she could get away with all the switcheroos.

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B
8/27/2011 01:26:40 am

@Ennealogic. I thought about a friend of Todd, but ruled it out b/c of the derogatory line about him in one of anon's final comments.

Anon and Shailey don't like Todd but both indicate he loves his kids, incl. Trig.

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mitch
8/27/2011 01:33:10 am

I'm a little late to the party here (Hi to all my 'gates friends!) but i have saved this link for awhile now. Glad that i did.

http://nailinpalinnow.blogspot.com/

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Rationalist
8/27/2011 01:38:47 am

doubt a friend of Todd would refer to him with such ambivalence while asserting disgust over her friend being so abused by Sarah.

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lilly lily
8/27/2011 01:43:41 am

A mid- morning party, hotdogs, cake, icecream and so on, nice as a prelude to Irene. Smells good too with hotdogs and popcorn..

Most of us expecta deluge of heavy rain, high winds with fallen trees and wires with resultant outages, but no one is spastic.

We are all haveing ourselves a quiet celebratory event. The air is still and quiet, a very quiet feeling in the air before the big storm comes this afternoon.

If it is a dear close "friend" of Todd Palins, yes she would be tired of Sarah and her dramatic diva nonsense, feeling protective of a lover she cares for.

If that is so, she must be very, very confident of their relationship.

I would consider that a stronger case for anon, than a friend of Ivy Fryes. Or Britta Hanson-Palins mother.

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lilly lily
8/27/2011 01:52:09 am

Wow. Nailinpalin makes sense. A lot of sense.

Laura should take a look see.

Everything in Palinland is nutsy, but this scenario sounds very right. It could well have unfolded exactly like that.

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lilly lily
8/27/2011 02:06:20 am

Also lovers can be ambivilant about their loved ones. Love-hate. Disgust that he is still tied to such an abusive woman. Maybe its a dominating woman who brings in the bacon which keeps him hanging around, plus loving his children. If he has a sweetie it keeps him functioning.

Relationships are complex. Even lovers can be disgusted one moment and protective the next.

I won't deny Toad is more loving than Sarah when it comes to all of that squabbling messy brood, other than Piper who is Sarah's "baby". the one she pined for during the campaign. Certainly not Trig.

I was at the Y yesterday and a woman was there hogging all the showers with her brood of crying, wailing, screaming and completly out of hand children. The screaming, incoherance went on for 3/4 of an hour. Not a single word, only shrieks and screams. It felt like a zoo, or being with a troup of baboons or an aviary of squawking parrots.

I would go mad if I had to endure that. I hunkered down and soaked up heat in the sauna until she left and then showered marveling that anyone, anyone could tolerate such a hoople house family. Physically the six looked like normal kids, but I kept thinking, autistic or special needs children, or Octomom, this is what it must be like to be Octomom or to live with the Palin family.

Whoever gets Todd, gets the rest of them too.

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Ivyfree
8/27/2011 02:34:22 am

"I've never given birth (and I won't now, at my age!), so I really know not whereof I speak. Would it be possible for Bristol to give birth in Anchorage with CBJ's assistance early AM on 2-7-08, and then be driving a car to a Wasilla medical clinic on 2-8-08?"

Yes. She would have been really tired, though. It's more likely that somebody drove her from Anchorage to Wasilla- isn't it something like 40 miles?- and then she drove herself in Wasilla to the clinic.

One of the things that inexperienced people don't realize is that when the doctor says "don't drive" there's a reason. Reflexes are off. If you're sore- and you can be, especially if you have an episiotomy- and you're taking pain pills, then you're driving under the influence. Easier to have an accident.

I could see Sarah insisting on getting Bristol out of the hospital ASAP- and many women give birth at home, always have, so if Bristol had a normal albeit premature delivery, there's no reason why she couldn't be discharged to a good home where she'd have help.

And I can see Bristol, the bratty teen, insisting on driving herself to go see the doctor and get checked to make sure she was fine and her uterine fundus where it ought to be and her flow normal. In fact, the scenario I can see is Sarah insisting on Bristol being discharged and the doctor saying, well, okay, but I want to see you tomorrow- shall I come out to the house? and Sarah saying, "We won't trouble you. We'll come to the office, it's closer for you..." and then Bristol saying "MOM! *$#^(*@^(! I can do this myself!" It's not like Bristol would be confident that her mother would be caring, loving and concerned.

Somehow, I don't see Sarah particularly worried about Bristol driving with, maybe, pain pills in her.

If I knew how to do it... wouldn't there be some way to check online the address of Bristol's accident? And cross-reference it to CBJ's clinic? My google-fu is not good, but it seems like that should be possible.

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Ivyfree
8/27/2011 02:38:56 am

Re: Viola-Alex
"Worth reading! Better than Jersey Housewives."

Let us hope if Sarah begins grunting like an ape and flinging tables around, somebody in the press will write about it!

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Ivyfree
8/27/2011 02:46:03 am

"If they got the name of the baby wrong, then could it be they got the name of what's wrong with Sherri wrong, too?

Maybe it's scoliosis, not scurvy?"

Maybe Mercede got it wrong, too. I mean, she may know it's her mother's spine, but couldn't think of the word. I interview people daily about their medical history, and it's astonishing how little they know about their own medical histories, and how few of them can name their conditions. "I don't know, but it's something about my back" is something I hear daily. Or,"it's my lung." Yeah, that narrows it down...

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lilly lily
8/27/2011 03:27:26 am

It is as accurate as anything else in this Johnston-Palin interaction. Who cares if Mercede and Bristol don't like each other and have a rivalry.

Gryphen promises Mercede plans to tell more about You know who...

Perhaps Mrs. Johnston had shingles which is very common in older people and which can be very painful. Some people get light cases, I once had a very light case which was cured with an anti viral since I diagnosed myself as soon as it happened and immediatly went to a doctor.. might have been very light because I do tai chi which is supposed to help protect you from shingles.

Some people suffer a great deal as nerve endings are involved. Most of us have had chicken pox as children, which can, with stress, cause shingles later on in life. A bad case can be excruciatingly painful. And if in the eyes cause blindness.

I am a bit annoyed with teases. You know something that is that important, well spit it out and be done with it.

Yet the media and all the principles are makeing a buck on the long drawn out teasing "will she or won't she" nonsense. And it is nonsense. She knows the scam is almost over and she won't get away with it. The public is tired.

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Ivyfree
8/27/2011 03:31:48 am

"after DWTS, Bristol went to Haiti with her mom and was photographed wearing the traditional maternity sweatshirt and long scarf."

As I recall it, after DWTS, Bristol disappeared for a while, bought the Maricopa house, and then there was that interview using a double for her. Then she went to Haiti. I'm pretty sure the disappearance was before Haiti.

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Balzafiar
8/27/2011 03:33:08 am

@Heidi3, you wrote:

"Bristol gave birth to severely premature Ruffles in February, 2008 in Anchorage. He (Mercede said "baby brother")..."

and

"I think Trig #1 (Ruffles) has a father who dare not be whispered about (but dear Levi is clueless), birthed by Sarah's unmarried 17 year old daughter Bristol who got pregnant at age 16."

Since Sadie referred to him as "baby brother", that leaves one possibility: Keith Johnston.

Wholy Mary, whose reputation is considerably tarnished in bloggerland, alluded to just such a case on Mercede Johnston's blog with this gem: "Don't worry about it Mercede, we know what's going on and we'll do the job for you if Sarah decides to get serious. Sorry that your daddy may have to come down with her."

Food for thought.

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lilly lily
8/27/2011 04:06:33 am

Anyone in the mood for a hurricane drama take a look on youtube, an oldie. The Hurricane. Jon Hall half tahitian, handsome and in his prime, Dorothy Lamor, lovely in a sarong.. Mary Astor, Raymond Massey.. I remember it as a tiny child and it made an indelible impression on me. Now that is a hurricane.

Though it was made in 1937 the special effects give you the feel. Very well done.

Sarah Palin is the looney tunes, then the newsreel News of the day, and onto the double feature.

Today. Hurricane Irene. Real life.

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Guest
8/27/2011 04:18:50 am

Here is my comment on Mercede's interview. I left it at IM but I have my doubts it will make it past Gryphen. He's way too protective of Ms. Johnston.

I'm not a Palin-bot, and I bought this issue of PB two weeks ago when it came out so that I could see what Mercede said about SP that would make a difference. After I read it, and found it full of old, old high school grievances revisited, simplified statements about SP dragging Bristol onto the national stage while pregnant, Levi being used, Piper not attending school, I said "Ho hum, nothing here." Gyphen, you are very protective and that's nice. You exaggerate the impact of this interview and misrepresent Sadie's intentions (taking one for the team) and fall short of honesty in this whole thing. I thought you'd been avoiding coverage because it turned out so weak, so junior high, and embarassing (not for the nudity but for the interview. She used the word "retarded" for heaven's sake. ) I'm a long time IM reader. IM coverage of Sadie's PB appearance is a lot like the story of the Emperor's New Clothes. "Beautiful! Wonderful job! Oooo - Ahhhhh!." Then a single voice cries out "I don't see any of that." Let's laugh and move on.

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Ivyfree
8/27/2011 04:25:04 am

Okay, I'm hoping I won't bother you guys posting here any more today- sorry for multiple postings, but things keep occurring to me.

1. Wasn't there that story that Todd was living in Palmer in an apartment? I could see Todd having a girlfriend- or boyfriend- in their late 20s or early 30s. Such a person could refer to Sarah as an "old bitch." I also find the phrase, "Bristol the genius" to be hilarious. That is somebody who either knows Bristol or has heard a LOT about her. Who's talking about Bristol? Maybe Dad, frustrated at the braindeadedness?

2. Why do we keep referring to Trig's "premature" birth? I do it myself. Where did this come from? What proof do we have? What evidence? So far as I can tell, it's because Sarah originally claimed that Trig was due May 18, 2008, and she "gave birth" on April 18, making him "officially" premature- and incidentally, providing an excuse for her not appearing terribly huge. (At that point, remember, the Gusty pic had not been released.) Even Sarah might have realized that people who are 9 months pregnant get pretty big and she might be questioned about it.

We don't know who the child currently referred to as "Trig" actually is, we don't know when he was born, we don't know who his genetic parents are, we don't know where he was born, we don't know how much he weighed- we know NOTHING, but for some reason, we all accept a premature birth story. It may be true, but the only source we truly have is Sarah, announcing the estimated birthdate, in March of 08. And Sarah's a liar.

IMO, that video of Bristol at the J-Lo MTV taping in October of 07 looked pretty damn big. I called it at 6 months. I thought at the time: were they in NYC for a late-term abortion where Bristol wouldn't be recognized? And maybe Bristol refused? That gives a January birthdate, and a March conception date, which suits a Tripp date of birth at the end of December, 2008- although I'm not sure I accept that since there's no reason to have been so secretive about it.

FWIW, I think a premature birth may have occurred and that was Ruffles... but I don't know who Ruffles is. The child known as Trig does not look like he was significantly premature- he never did, in any of the pictures I've seen.

I think the "three pregnancies and a miscarriage" thing about Bristol may be true. I think Bristol was about 7 months at the end of DWTS. I think she gave birth after that, but I don't know what happened to that baby. The miscarriage? May have happened any time over the years. Bristol's going to be 21, I think- she's been sexually active (or abstinent between boyfriends) for at least five years and quite likely longer. Could have been before Sarah was governor.

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Ottoline
8/27/2011 04:42:27 am

Ennealogic and B: With the high quality of the writing, don't you think anon238 would put in a red herring like bad talk about him/herself, to point away? I can't imagine it's Todd and an educated "pal," but if it is, and they don't want to be identified, then some negative talk about Todd would be good strategy.

Lilly lilly: call me paranoid, but I know from experience that some underpaid service folks who come to houses to do temp work do tip off associates (boyfriends? boss?) who later do burglaries. Or perhaps there are other intermediaries in between, who buy/sell info that helps identify good places to burglarize. The same could be true re selling drug use info--or other HIPAA info--esp in a corrupt place like Wasilla. A person might not want to go public with HIPAA info himself, but might be willing to tell someone, who tells Jesse in confidence.

So many of you are sure anon is a woman. But the language sounds like a semi-cleaned-up Jesse to me: old bitch, dick-head, "jack shit for recourse," etc. But how about the idea that MOST of Jesse's informants (I am still assuming multiple sources being presented as one inner-circle source, for that all-important non-identification of sources reason), and maybe the KEY one(s), are women. But Jesse is writing down the story. I thought of Jesse's daughter (or some similar associate) as his proofer/editor/collaborator. Ditto "Fred" as possible collaborator or at least sounding board.

I'm puzzled by a family intimate not knowing Trig's official birth date -- not the Apr date but whatever they will use for their internal family story for themselves.

Pure Jesse IMO: "I may not have the proof to bring the old bitch down, but it's certainly fun to make her squirm a bit." Fun? for a family intimate with those deep concerns? No.

BfromC: A sister named Lyla Grace, and Track/Britta's daughter is named Kyla Grace?

Heidi3: I'm with you in your summing up in every respect. But don't leave us hanging, finish your sentence: I'm eager to hear those thoughts, too!

Ivyfree: I dimly recall that Bristol's accident was right in front of CBJ's office. I remember looking it up on Google.

Re who is the "wrung out" one: there are soooo many good candidates. As soon as I settle on one, a number of equally abused candidates comes up for me. Any intimate would know that, although an intimate might well have a certain person s/he feels the most concern about. That's why I keep thinking "composite story." CBJ could be pretty wrung out by this, for example. Or someone might be bemoaning the young Bristol and who she has grown into. Piper of course. Shailey. SP’s Mom (just thinking about her feelings boggles my mind.) All of 'em, any of 'em.

Suelu -- I remember the exact same thing, the Heart Assn lunch, from which someone surely has photos, but none have surfaced.

So: Why did this "protected, safe" anon238 submit comments to IM rather than using another avenue to going public? If there is a good reason, I don't want to out that person, just focus on the info, as others have suggested. So the Jesse-as-anon works for me as a temp theory, because Jesse surely knows who is posting this.

So what was supposed to be accomplished by posting this info? Esp since it mostly fits what we either knew or surmised, at least in broad strokes? I bet it was a trial balloon, to see how we would handle it. And also so Jesse could be on record as having presented it first. Before the AKM, McG, and Fred books do their revelations, if any.

And what does it all lead us to? Not that much, so far. Am I wrong? Except for sure making SP squirm. I can't really see "squirming" being #1 on any inner-circle person's goals (outing SP, maybe, but squirming seems too trivial); I think the inner circle would far prefer the public scrutiny of all this to stop, go away, be forgotten -- except perhaps (for some) insofar as it can be revenue-producing.

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Conscious at last!
8/27/2011 04:59:24 am


What about a person close to CBJ or Bill McAllister.... or Meg Stapleton?

It's hard for me to speculate like this as I feel like I'm operating with limited vision .... but the information does seem real.

So even if it turns out to be a well crafted "composite voice" -- I am very grateful for the effort.

Now that some folks close to SP are empowered to leak like this, we know her castle is fractured beyond repair.

As for a unified theory of babygate- I think the comments of Heidi3 @ 3:39 and Ivyfree really sound right to me.
(They both usually do!! )

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Viola-Alex
8/27/2011 05:13:14 am

I hear ya, ConsciousAtLast. It reminds me of the old days on Audrey-- all the spinning is intriguing, and imo,it's what has kept Babygate alive. Thank goodness.

Agree about Heidi3 and IvyFree, but don't miss Mitch's link, too.

http://nailinpalinnow.blogspot.com/

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Karen
8/27/2011 05:24:15 am

Heidi3 -- but what happens to Trig 1?

Remember that anonymous starts out talking about how Trig is being neglected, and addresses Bristol specifically:

"And you just gave him to her. Knowing how bad she would treat him."

How sad is that? In fact, her comments are directed almost evenly between Bristol & Sarah.

This whole conversation reminds me of Anon 4:32, which someone posted the link to above. (more next post)

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Karen
8/27/2011 05:25:09 am

Worth re-reading,
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=9361564&postID=6300421337309010801

Gryphen, I am "4:32".

I fail to see how you could "verify my story" unless I give you all the information about where I work, what I do...and you can see the position that puts me in.

While it may be true none of your people have ever been "outed"...I have seen what there is to see: Shailey went ON the record with a personal, firsthand account AND a document on which Sarah herself had checked "NOT PREGNANT". I was so grateful to her (and you) I thought, finally...the world can't ignore THIS!

Except mostly, the world did ignore it. Shailey was left with little more than constantly questioned motives.

I just don't know that I as the sole financial provider for my little family am ready to do that. Do I wish I was braver, that I had a deeper well of "patriotism" from which to draw?

Yes, I do.


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3:48 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But I really don't think it's fair that people like Mercede can string everyone along for years, flat out denying things she KNOWS are true...while private citizens like me are left to pick up the pieces of a deception I had no part of.

Up to this point, I have excused Levi and Mercede both- young kids, up against a powerful, soulless entity...but now they are writing supposed tell-alls and posing in Playboy...and that tells me these "kids" are old enough to start telling some hard truths.


Gryphen, I'm sorry if some of what I posted doesn't fall in line with what you know. I certainly admit that I am not perfect and can be wrong...but I did try to specifically note where it was just my opinion as opposed to black and white fact.

The only thing I'm "iffy" on-- I do concede there might HAVE been a big "dog & baby show" at Mat Su, staged specifically for Mercede and friends of Bristol. But then again- why no photos of this blessed event? Mercede could easily clarify the Levi was there/Levi missed the birth of his own son issue- but as with so many other things...she hasn't.

Frank just blew the ultimate chance to really "come clean before God"...
Jeanne, Shannyn, & the "Baby issue? WHAT baby issue? I dun see no baby issue!" posse all know the truth and THEY will not speak up.

I guess I'm torn between wanting to stand up to all of these people and show them one CAN tell the truth and still come out the other side relatively unscathed.

The other part of me thinks "why me? My little voice against all these others, plus the near certain loss of my job if I were ever "outed"...(Gryphen, I am not saying you would do it. But I know for a fact one of your blogging "contemporaries" revels in unmasking insiders and putting them on display. You know this is the truth, Gryphen, and you cannot blame my caution)

I guess what I'm saying is this: for the moment I stand by my original statement...I put what I have out there and if anyone finds any of it useful on a research basis...great. If certain people call foul on me and don't believe me...good for them. Healthy skepticism never hurt anyone. It's no skin off my nose either way.

If Mercede or Levi or CBJ wants to speak up WITH ME, it's a whole different ballgame. But to put everything on the line when so far as I can see it will not make a difference? I just don't know. I see someone pointed out that nothing I said is even new or revelatory. You all have pinned Trig's birth as earlier than stated, Tripp's birth date as being hinky, apparently know about Sarah's tubal...

I'm sorry, but until someone who can corroborate what I say (and there are several who can, at least in part) I can't even justify the slightest risk.

Levi. Mercede. Cathy. Molly. You all are among those who know some or all of the truth here. If you stand up, and tell the truth...I and others will be much more apt to take the risk involved in taking on the goon squad a/k/a Sarah Palin & co.


I think I am going to take a little break from reading and posting, as it's so hard to NOT spill every detail I know and answer every question put forth by others.

For now I will close with saying: I do believe Gryphen will go down in history as one of the greatest defenders of truth and justice this country has ever seen. While I can't be much more than a fence-sitter at this time, I stand in awe of you and your dogged willingness to hunt the truth.

3:48 AM

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Karen
8/27/2011 05:28:18 am

So I'm back to thinking anon238 is someone close to Molly.

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Laura Novak link
8/27/2011 06:12:13 am

So many great theories here and great links. Thank you everyone! And thanks for repeating those earlier comments from 4:32 and the new Anon. Does anyone see a similarity in the writing styles?

I'm happy to leave this thread up for a while longer. I know everyone's attention is on the east coast, and rightly so.

Just know that we're watching it out here and my thoughts are with every one of you affected by this.

Batten down the hatches indeed. Irene is raging on and we're closing in on the truth. I hope. I think.

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V ictoria link
8/27/2011 06:30:37 am

@ottoline - I like your analysis a lot. I am not as familiar with Gryphen's style, as my browser doesn't like his site, but I agree that it could be a man pretending to be a woman - or a man with a female editor. And because the comments have taken so much work (or collaboration) they can only be promised sporadically.

To me the issue is more than the style; it is the content. A great deal from the perspective of the bloggers and the trig truthers - giving us exactly what we want to hear - letting us know that
the posts are making a difference in the lives of the Palins. And I think that they are, actually - but I also think that the ability to give us this information this way is rather suspicious.

I hope I'm making sense. The sun set a long time ago here so I'm going to crash.

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Up
8/27/2011 06:33:42 am

i agree with Karen. Anon anon references things she's heard "from the family.". How likely is it that Ivy Frye's sister would be hanging around with members of the Heath or Palin clan, in a situation where they felt comfortable talking about Trig's birth?

In a post about Bristol's school attendance issues, Audrey at www.palindeceptions.com provides documentation about the 2/8/08 accident happening at the corner of Seward Mem Dr and Fireweed Drive, turning into a business. That corner was near a physician practice listed as providing family medicine. I can't readily find a list of the docs who are in that practice.

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Sharon_too_also
8/27/2011 06:33:50 am

@Viola-Alex "all the spinning is intriguing"

It certainly makes for great reading! Although I wonder if sometimes the KISS (keep it simple stupid :-) theory isn't the most logical.

I still feel like anon238s' comments are exactly what they sound like:

A very weary close friend (relation) of someone who is very deep into Sarah's drama - someone who can't escape it because he-she is possibly related - who was given a place to safely vent.

We all know that Jesse is always encouraging people in the know to come to his site to spill the beans. What if Jesse said, "do it and I promise not to reveal your identity or even mention your comments"? Isn't that more realistic than him suddenly becoming a superb creative writer?

I think we are all so used to everything surrounding Sarah being so incredibly messy and questionable (because she is such a mess) that we expect every revelation to be the same convoluted mess. Anon238 sounds to me like someone who just cut through the clutter and told the straight forward truth as she saw it. For what it's worth . . . .


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Sharon_Too_Also
8/27/2011 06:49:23 am

@Laura Novak

"Does anyone see a similarity in the writing styles?"

Not at all - and there is certainly nothing to be gained by doing so. There has got to be so many people close to Sarah's mess that feel this way, we should be encouraging all of them and not turn them into a big blob.

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Up
8/27/2011 07:04:26 am

For what it is worth, it appears that Family Medicine of Alaska, the practice at the corner of Seward Meridian Parkway and Fireweed Drive in Wasilla, AK is a single physician practice run by a Dr. Robert C. Myers. No obvious ties to CBJ.

The location of the accident may just be a coincidence.

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Ottoline
8/27/2011 07:05:44 am

Hi 4:32 I absolutely agree with you that you have no obligation to be the next person to go public at the risk of your livelihood. Like you, I'm really surprised and dismayed at Shailey's taking that chance and no one paying much attention.

That's why I was hoping that anon238 is Jesse putting all the stories he has heard that he believes to be true into one story, so it can be presented in a public forum but protect the anonymity of the sources.

We bloggers sure want this thing to end. But not at the expense of a sole-provider's livelihood.

If so many other people with lots of responsibility for this mess can't come forward with the truth, why should you risk so much more than they would? Mercede, Dr. Cathy, Molly, Jeanne, Shannyn, Bailey, McCain, McCain's staff, the MSM, and all the other et ceteras.

Thank you for communicating with us. I sure appreciate it and hope you remain safe.

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jk
8/27/2011 07:05:52 am

Heidi3, thanks for the reminders, and the theories. Putting the pieces together, sounds like we have a winner (2/7) for the birth date.
Re: driving after childbirth, what Ivyfree suggests sounds right to me. Nowadays women generally are sent home from the hospital 24 hrs after childbirth, as long as there's no complications (with the mother), and told not to drive, but they do. Maybe it wasn't coincidental that Bristol was post-partum & the accident happened?
Re: Trig/Ruffles, in my preferred theory Ruffles is the rentababy, although I did forget that 432 said that the real Trig was born with an ear deformity. Still, in several photos the RNC Trig looks to my eye like the same child as Real Trig.
Gah. Confusing stuff.
(Our theories converge on the question of Trig's parentage, however. Remember WholyMary asked, now why would they have needed a geneticist? A DNA test is simple stuff these days...most of the time...)

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Sharon_Too_Also
8/27/2011 07:08:38 am

umm Laura - my last post sound harsh and I didn't mean it that way. I jumped on it because I feel like people in Alaska are finally reaching their tipping point and things really are starting to come out. That post did not feel like the same voice and I think that if these commenters are made to feel welcome and given their credit due, they will be more likely to continue. If they can find the courage to do this, we should encourage and value them - not lump them all together.

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Karen
8/27/2011 07:13:33 am

@Ottoline -- I'm sorry to have confused anyone. I re-posted anon4:32's posts from IM on June 2nd. This was when Sarah started the first aborted family vacation grifting tour (also known as "Free Piper-palooza.")

=http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/06/i-am-no-expert-on-pregnancy-but-is-it.html

I am sure anon4:32 is still reading, though, so Shout out 4:32!

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B
8/27/2011 07:19:52 am

Laura, maybe it is just me, but today people's comments are extending past the right margin and I have to scroll back and forth to try to read them.

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Laura Novak link
8/27/2011 07:26:58 am

B,

No, it's happening for me and I've gotten in touch with Weebly. And for those who are wondering what happened the other day, it was in Weebly's system...something they were working on that affected my pages for a few minutes.

I'll post a new post soon and we can get out of this strange formatting issue. Thanks, B.

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lazrgrl
8/27/2011 07:31:54 am

@B Same here. I thought it might be Safari but it happens on Firefox too. If I make the font size really small it nearly fits but then of course my old eyes can't read it.

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Ottoline
8/27/2011 07:44:39 am

The Bristol accident facts:

http://www.halfsigma.com/2008/09/more-about-bristols-car-accident.html

At the blue arrow on the above link is this medical office:

Family Medicine Of Alaska Inc
1261 S Seward Meridian Rd
Wasilla, AK
99654

However, across the street is a WalMart. I'm not aware of anything that connects Bristol to that particular medical office. The CBJ (Providence) medical office is some distance away, here:

2250 South Woodworth Loop
Palmer, Alaska 99645

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Mhurka
8/27/2011 07:45:12 am

Ottoline- I also think it seems like anon is a polished version of Jesse who is simple relaying information given to him by female sources. (Hence the female tone).

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BfromC
8/27/2011 07:53:37 am

UP -- IMO, Ivy's sister could well be hearing this from Ivy herself - who might still be getting family info, but still has, no doubt, been "wrung out" by such a long association with the Palins and being on the inside for so long.

If not Ivy, I do think it could be a friend of one of the sisters.

Or, Gryphen himself. But I have to consider that, after 3 years, there have to be some people who are completely fed up and ready to sing. What easier way to start than as an anon on a blog?

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Ottoline
8/27/2011 07:54:06 am

Karen, re anon4:32 -- I was responding to the idea that some have expressed that it's easy for us anonymous bloggers, in some safe community 3,000 miles away from vindictive SP, to urge AK folks to come forward. I think we bloggers are pretty sensitive to the legit sense of threat one might feel, what with stories of job loss, arson, pressure, etc.

And it's so ridiculous and unfair to expect someone to risk his sole-provider livelihood while others (I'm thinking of you, McCain and staffers!) can just ignore it all.

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Ottoline
8/27/2011 07:56:08 am

Mhurka -- Thank you. Makes my tinfoil hat seem smaller!

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Karen
8/27/2011 08:14:27 am

We have a big tinfoil umbrella around here!

I just can't seem to get my head around the idea it might be Gryphen. Mainly the lack of typos, but also just that a lot of the people are referenced more formally "Sarah's sister" and "her sister's house," "Rebecca Mansour," but a few are referenced less formally, such as "Sadie" and "Meg." Plus, this person cares about Willow, too: "Willow is all but murdering someone to scream "PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!!!!!" and it's like Todd and Sarah are trying like hell to end up with another knocked up teenager."

It just sounds more personal than some hodgepodge that Gryphen might come up with to me.

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mary
8/27/2011 08:25:14 am

Just wanted to say thank you to Laura for being open to all this speculation. Please don't accuse me of starting "inter-blog wars", but I have been so turned off by Joe McGinniss's attitude toward any theories and gossip that he perceives as being crazy. IMO, Sarah Palin has got away with babygate (so far) because it is a freakin crazy scenario! Sane people can't imagine that a sitting Governor would fake a pregnancy. Well, she might if she were mentally unstable, huh? Could it happen in any state in this country? I don't think so. But in AK, where people seem to be sort of "off the grid" in terms of being informed... absolutely. Anyway, Laura, thank you and keep up the good work. Whether or not Anon is legit, Sarah Palin SHOULD fear you!

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Heidi3
8/27/2011 08:32:25 am

Oops - I see that my long comment @3:39 got cut off. Here is the balance of it:

Sorry this is getting so long... But my theory doesn't work if we consider this statement from our 2:38 Insider Anon:

"I hope the guilt of what you allowed her to do to that child eats away at you. I hear Trig open-handed smacked your mother when she tried to get a photo with him in May. And you just GAVE HIM TO HER (my emphasis added). Knowing how bad she would treat him."

Thanks for listening everyone, and thank you Laura for this great discussion. I haven't commented in awhile, but I do read everything here.

- - - - - - - -

OK, back to a current comment. The fact is that, to this very day, none of us know what became of Ruffles. We sense that it could be a sad story. What if when Trig #2 (the RNC & present-day Trig) arrived, people who were NOT TOTALLY IN THE KNOW about Ruffles just "assumed" Trig #2 was Bristol's baby which she then "gave" to Sarah? With my Psych 101 experience from college decades ago (!), isn't there something called 'transference' whereby Bristol & Levi, who looked so lovingly at Trig #2 during the RNC were almost 'seeing' him as a replacement for a lost or compromised ruffled-ear baby? Bristol's Ruffles, but not necessarily Levi's.

Oh, I don't know. Not to make a crass analogy, but whenever my husband and I lose a beloved dog, we immediately find a puppy to transfer our love to. We don't "see" the puppy as being the same dog as the one we lost, but we know it's a new doggie to give the same amount of love to.

I think I need a stiff drink!

P.S. Anyone else having the problem here today with the comments continuing way past the right-hand margin?

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Susan
8/27/2011 09:16:53 am

Why is one of Britta's Spain pictures photoshopped? You can see the carnival ride through the palm of here hand. I think she "went" to Spain to hide her pregnancy with Tripp.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_-DtxSj-5Sdw/SAJo064kmBI/AAAAAAAAATk/L8juKa2EN_U/s1600-h/CIMG2455.JPG

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Susan
8/27/2011 09:18:19 am

Her "trip" to Spain

http://brittainspain2008.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-08%3A00&max-results=17

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Balzafiar
8/27/2011 09:39:13 am

@Susan

She doesn't have a hole in her hand; she's holding something. There isn't any detail showing through and the colors of the object don't match the colors behind her hand.

Just an illusion.

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NSG
8/27/2011 09:44:09 am

@Susan, these are Britta's pictures, Track's wife, aka mother of his baby.

I'm pretty sure Bristol (Tripp's mom) hasn't studied abroad.

I enjoyed looking through Britta's blog. Her pictures are gorgeous, and her comments about what she's seeing & doing reveal her to be a curious and thoughtful young woman. Thanks for that link!

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Ottoline
8/27/2011 09:47:30 am

Hi Karen -- Glad you have that big tinfoil umbrella. Your comment helps me see that my concept of Jesse as anon238 might be a little different than yours. And that of others here. I am not thinking of a hodgepodge, nor am I thinking of creative writing.

I'm thinking that Jesse is transcribing what lots of people have told him. So he's writing in a mix of two voices, as any of us would: his own (inevitably) and also that of the person who told him the story. And a third factor would be the proofer/editor who might have fixed typos, cleaned up lots of blue language, and thus changed the tone a little too. Jesse is not trying to be creative but to present what he has learned more or less just as he heard it.

My thinking is that lots of people in AK know some small part of the elephant that is the SP BabyHoax, and the "hearsay" (no proof) stories can sometimes become more credible via learning similar stories from other people. (This indeed is McGinniss's stated justification for inventing thoughts and quotes for his books.) And only when one puts lots of perspectives together is there a cohesive description of the whole elephant.

As many of us have said over the three years, "you can't make this stuff up!" So I do not think Jesse or anon238 are trying to be creative; they are just reporting real, actual bits and pieces and trying to form a whole, as we have done, too, over the three years.

Jesse has said more than once that he has info that is not ready to be shared for whatever reason. How frustrating that is -- for all of us. So this would be one way of sharing it. Esp if Jesse alters the stories in meaningless ways that retain their essential info but hide the identity of the source.

Changing gender and number are surprisingly effective at hiding an identity. If you tattle to your mom about something a bad girl did to you, the Mom might immed realize that you are talking about your sister. But if you tell the same story but attribute the actions to three bad boys, it becomes more confusing to sort it all out.

I'm yammering on about this because I have come to think we should not try to identify (and thus "out") the source(s). If we are successful, what a bad precedent to set for any other source thinking about anonymous posting. So the Jesse-is-anon238 idea works for me WHETHER OR NOT IT PROVES TO BE THE CASE.

So then we turn to the content, and I hit another roadblock: I don't see anything that we didn't know or guess before. Have we missed something? Have we failed to respond as anon238 wished? What should we do next? What did anon238 hope to accomplish?

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Laura Novak link
8/27/2011 10:02:46 am

Gryphen says he is not the anonymous poster. That's all I know but I'm happy to pass it on.

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SLQ
8/27/2011 10:15:18 am

FWIW, I think the reasons AnonAnon and Anon 4:32 posted at IM is for several reasons. First, she/he says she/he knows Sarah reads there. Second, and most importantly, it is the only Palin blog that does not require an e-mail address, i.e. it feels much more anonymous. Safer. Finally, it's an Alaskan blog. No matter how much the rest of us care about what Sarah has done to this country, there is an obvious affinity in Alaska for "their own."

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Laura Novak link
8/27/2011 10:22:59 am

SLQ, my blog does NOT require an email. There's a space for it. Try not filling it out and you'll see that your comment goes through. Again, my blog does NOT require an email or website. And IPs are not posted anywhere for anyone to see but me.

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Susan in MD
8/27/2011 10:24:46 am

Hi all -

I think I am a tad late joining in here. I have read (I think) all of the Anon238 posts on Gryph's blog and now I have been trying to keep up with this thread. That is when I discovered that there were revealing comments by another Anon432 on a previous IM Thread (about Palin's shoulders) and one of you guys asked a few comments up if anyone thought these two were the same Anon? Well - the answer is a resounding Yes!!!

When I started reading Anon238, I started looking for clues in the text that repeated themselves. Either the repeated use of words or punctuation. I was doing this so that I could compare that writing to any known bloggers or posters. And Anon in no way resembles Jesse, for sure. But Anon has a pattern that she/he uses without fail and that is the inclusion of exactly three dots ... no less, no more, as pauses in sentences where others would use a comma or dash, etc. Anon uses this very frequently. Anon also frequently uses quotation marks and in spite of excellent grammar skills, makes the mistake of putting the punctuation mark at the end of a sentence on the outside of the quotation mark instead of on the inside". <- like that. Anon does this constantly. Anon also uses all caps on words for emphasis but a lot of people do that, so it's really not that exceptional. BUT the other two things ARE especially because they are so consistent!

Therefore, I feel VERY confident that your ANON432, the HEALTHCARE worker, is the SAME as ANON238. Does that make it easier to link them to the inner circle confidant? I hope so because I also believe that this person is close to something and if they're not - there is some method to this madness that is going on and I certainly would like to know what it is!

You guys are doing an awesome job! I'd love your feedback on the patterns I've spotted.

Susan

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Ottoline
8/27/2011 10:29:20 am

Laura -- Thanks for the info from Gryphen! Well, as least my erroneous theory served me as a vehicle for closer reading of all anon's datapoints. Booo! I'm going to assume the fetal position in bed, pull the dog and cat up close, and read about Irene. :-(

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SLQ
8/27/2011 10:31:06 am

Hi Laura -- I forgot that you had previously said that. I'm trying it with this post (it's never bothered me to list it). But I still think it's a reason someone might post at IM rather than here, if they are worried about anonymity. The whole feel of the comments on IM is much different than any of the other blogs. It has an option for "anonymous." Maybe it's just me, but it's just an observation.

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SLQ
8/27/2011 10:34:04 am

To clarify, a person who truly wants to remain anonymous may FEEL that IM is more anonymous, even if that's not true.

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jk
8/27/2011 11:10:55 am

I don't see anon432 = anon238. By all indications 432 has insider info as a healthcare worker, whereas 238 has a pipeline to someone in the inner Palin circle.
That said, I continue to not be too concerned about identities. I'm old enough to remember all of the speculation about Deep Throat -- and that Mark Felt's name was not among those prominently discussed.
Back to babygate, the 2/7 birthday Trig theory makes sense to me, but I agree, the nalinpalin theory makes a lot of sense as well. Didn't 432 say that BOTH Trig and Tripp were born earlier than their announced birth dates? I've been a huge skeptic of theories that Tripp was born as early as spring, 2008, but late fall I could believe. (How ARE these boys going to go through life, with publicly known birth dates that don't match the official record?)

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ginny11
8/27/2011 11:35:00 am

Susan, good catch on the patterns! I think there may be something to it!

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Jayne
8/27/2011 11:41:12 am

For anon to know such details, her connection is of the inner circle and long standing relationship with SP. Going back to school days in Wasilla.
Who has been Sarah's best bud since grade school? And has family members irate over actions she has taken since publicly associated with Sarah?


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Laura Novak link
8/27/2011 12:58:09 pm

Just so you know, there is a new post up to continue the conversation there.

Weebly knows that this strange thing is occurring with the comments going outside the margin. I hope it can get fixed soon.

Just got home from the men's shelter and I'm dirty and tired. So, going to put this into moderation overnight and will check in tomorrow morning.

Please continue here or on the new post where the comments are not doing this weird margin thing.

Thanks everyone and be safe all of you!!

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lilli link
8/27/2011 01:05:06 pm

Mercede could have identified the picture right..he could have been Tripp before he was Trig. Or this baby was Tripp #1 and then Trig showed up. This came up on IM a long time ago.

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lilli
8/27/2011 01:25:58 pm

This may sound way out there but could anonymous be Levi confiding in some girl or women who is posting his information?.

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1Doubter
8/28/2011 12:27:37 am

I haven't read all comments yet - just got to the Toad-being-a-possibility for the leaks.

How about $arah's mother? She might also, too be one potential source. She would have access to all different type of info, including knowing that $arah does not have a degree. There could be a friend of hers who only got into the 'game' these last two years, and the friend is concerned about Sally's well-being.

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1Doubter
8/28/2011 12:52:24 am

Yes, I vaguely remember seeing a google map of the place of accident - CBJs clinic was in the very vicinity. (There was an address given for the accident)

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mary b
8/28/2011 04:42:24 am

Wow.

I really don't care who anon is...yet. All I want is to see $arah done. $he has ruined too many lives, she has hurt too many people and she has definitely hurt our political system.
$he is full of hate & vengeance yet calls herself a "Christian."
It's way past time this evil little witch gets off the stage and out of sight. We need people who care about each other, no matter their differences.
Thanks to Laura, The Professor and Gryphen!! Hopefully someone soon, will have the will/way/means to put an end to the Palin Toxic Cycle.

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MO Inkslinger
8/28/2011 09:43:26 am

With all the speculation about the anon poster, I wonder what happened to Kris Perry. Is she still around? I feel, Palin's treatment of Trig may have crushed a family member or someone in the inner circle. A friend of that person is the one making the posts. Sarah's sister, Heather has a special needs child and is trained to help children with special needs. It has been amazing to me with Palin's popularity, there are very few interviews of the Palin's brother and sisters. One reason may be they are scared of not having the proper story. The family may see Sarah getting rich and becoming difficult to live. They may be concerned about mental illness and this may be their way to create an intervention by bringing the truth to the surface.

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MO Inkslinger
8/28/2011 10:11:12 am

Ennealogic
Sat, 27 Aug 2011 07:53:50

That thought had crossed my path. Could Todd have a girlfriend who posting the anon posts? Perhaps Sarah is aware of the relationship and turns her head.

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lilly lily
8/29/2011 04:45:25 am

As far as three dots, I often do that, also use Caps for emphasis. Also put my punctuation mark after putting a thought in parenthasis. So that isn't unique to anon.

Hurricane came and went. Will have no power till Tuesday or later. So many roads are blocked by fallen trees and flooded roads that getting anywhere at all is an exercise in ingenuity and a knowlege of any and all side roads in a rural area. Do enjoy a bit of adrenalyn rush, so I managed to get out. Took a lot of ingenuity, but I dislike being trapped, even if it is in my own home.

Even the trains weren't running. Now in a town with electicity so I don't feel imprisoned.

I see anon 236 is tired of Mercede and Levi gaming. I agree. They know what they know. It is of more import than these two minor players making hay, but then they all are.

Neighbor trapped by a fallen old apple tree on her driveway. The deer will have a feast of ripe small apples.

Loads of fallen branches, Japanese Bittersweet making nooses. So I made a fall wreath of Japanese Bittersweet which is chartreause and hasn't turned orange. Always make lemonaid out of lemons.

We will just have to wait till someone can receive a big enough windfall to reveal the truth. Until then Sarah Palin will continue to rake in the cash.

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lilly lily
8/30/2011 12:40:50 am

The bittersweet in my new made wreath is now orange, the chartreuse covering burst open from the sun on the door. And that is how this story is. Like the chartreuse covering to the inner orange berry of the bittersweet.

Evidently the time is not ripened this messy story sufficiently for it to be completely revealed.

We know the sordid details in part, but have no proofs except the obvious. For example the Museam shot of no pregnancy belly for Palin at the end of March, and the suddenly immense belly of the Gusty photo a few weeks later with Palins usual cat swallowing the canary smugness.

What more can the press ask?

It was a physical impossibility for her to explode in size in a few weeks. Absolutly impossible.

Anon might be an insider and Sarah might know who she is.

I know most of us following this for three years know as much as has been revealed except for little details like the Special K Ketamin Sarah Palin is using.

We know she appears to be under the influence a lot. Many have theorized Adderal, and meth. She appears doped up, just as Trig appeared doped up. The Palin family seems to self medicate like crazy. The family that is dysfunctional in every aspect needs something to keep the ship afloat.

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KSUN
8/30/2011 12:48:58 am

Hi Laura. I've been avidly reading your blog for awhile now, and I finally decided to jump in and join the conversation when I noticed something I haven't seen mentioned yet. Apologies if it HAS been mentioned and I've missed it, but here goes...

Regarding the speculation about the Anon posts in the Nick Broomfield thread over at IM, I noticed a fairly unique phrase. In Anon's post at 2:38, she/he said: "By the way...it's been nearly a hundred days since you or your mother has clapped eyes on Trig."

The idiom "clapped eyes on" is way more common among speakers of British English than speakers of American English (Americans would be more likely to say "set eyes on"). A Google search for a combination of "clapped eyes on" + "Palin" yields several results, mostly from British news and gossip sites. It made me wonder if Anon could be a British tabloid writer just gaming around or trying to stir up trouble?

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lilly lily
8/30/2011 01:35:27 am

Who knows. We have speculated it could be someone gaming anti Palin Bloggers.

Most of what is mentioned we do know.

But this person does indicate Wasilla as the place of origan, and Gryphen could easily see from fidgit or whatever he uses where the posts come from at the time posted plus the ISP? number.

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shannon
8/31/2011 05:19:50 am

I agree with previous posters who think anon may be a friend or relative of Ivy Frye. Here's a curious comment from an IM post about Ivy back in March:

"Jane of Palmer said...

Ivy found out that Sarah really did fake Trigs pregnancy. She didn't know before and always believed what Sarah told her. She feels betrayed."

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/03/ivey-frye-flies-coop-todays-palin-camp.html

This article about Ivy Frye is the only time "Jane of Palmer" ever appears in the IM comments. Makes me think Jane has a personal tie to Ivy, and perhaps she is now speaking out further. According to Ivy's Facebook page, she did attend Palmer High School.

Just a guess...

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