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Public vs. Private, Palin vs. the Truth

6/26/2011

 
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BS:  Laura, I take it you’ve had a chance to read the though-provoking article I sent you:

“Redefining the ‘Private Lives’ of Public Officials - Women journalists have played a major role in this changing coverage.” (Nieman Reports, Spring 2002.)

The author, Florence George Graves, points to the media coverage of the sexual abuses of Senator Bob Packwood in the early 1990s as a breakthrough for the press in how it defines what is private vs. what is public in a politician’s sexual behavior. 

Up to that time, most editors shied away from stories of sexual predation by powerful men, viewing such behavior as “personal,” perhaps even a perk of high office. But thanks especially to women journalists, that old barrier fell. Does her thesis ring true for you?

LN: This is a wonderful article and I encourage everyone to read it. About half way down, Graves cites a fellow, male reporter who described editors as “skittish” about covering stories involving sex. That is the same word people have used over and over for nearly 3 years when writing about the Palin pregnancy controversy. It took Graves, as a woman, to break open that Packwood story, and it’s taken women to say Palin’s story does not pass the sniff test now. Now, that is not to discount any of the myriad men who have called Palin and her husband out on the improbability of their Trig story. But had women not been willing to talk about fluids and body parts, perhaps men might have stepped back, out of concern for propriety.

BS: I was struck by how the journalists reporting the Packwood matter focused on the human cost of ignoring what Packwood had done: dozens of women over the many years he was in power had been abused. Many were terrified of the man and quit their jobs rather than face continued sexual harassment. Ultimately, many of those women testified against him in congressional hearings, leading to his expulsion from the Senate.

Which brings us to Sarah Palin. Obviously, the actions of Sarah Palin are very different from those of Bob Packwood. But, even so, do you see any parallels?


LN: If you define Packwood’s problem as one of an abuse of power, then yes. We now know that Palin was found to have abused her power as a governor in terms of Troopergate. But can we define her secrecy at the time of her pregnancy, and the redaction of 2,000 emails since, as abusive? We can if in fact it was all in the service of a hoax. Abuse can cover unethical behavior and a lack of awareness for the dignity of those around us. Did she lie to the reporters covering her? Did she lie in her daily diary? I mean, where exactly are all those prenatal appointments that should have been on the books throughout that winter and spring?

Now Brad, let me ask you something. Graves goes on to write briefly about Gary Hart and his frolicking on the Monkey Business yacht in 1987. He did nothing illegal. But the ethics of his cavorting were enough to make him a funny footnote in American political history. Why hasn’t Palin been laughed off the page yet?

BS: Graves pointed to the “evolution” of reporting in the context of the Packwood case, and I think that’s apt. The evolution to that point, in the early 1990s, meant that men’s sexual offenses, if they were substantial enough, were no longer off-limits. The Hart affair in the 1980s may have been a special case, coming as early as it did, because he dared the press to prove he was a womanizer – and the press took him up on it. But certainly the press treated JFK’s sexual peccadilloes in the 1960s as beyond the pale of what they could report.

This evolution of reporting apparently has not reached the point where women politicians are subjected to the same scrutiny as men in all matters relating to sex. For example, two different men claimed last year, when Nikki Haley, a married woman, was running for governor of South Carolina, that they had had affairs with her. Yet the allegations received little attention in the press and she was elected governor.

But Palin, of course, is in a different universe from Nikki Haley. I am not aware of any other politician in U.S. history who most likely faked the birth of a child. There’s no precedent for how the press should respond. Reporters learned to use words like “penis” and “semen-stained dress” during Clinton’s impeachment trial but balked at asking whether amniotic fluid leaked out of Palin’s vagina. Nicole Wallace of the McCain election team used that very word – “Are you really asking what came out of the governor’s vagina?” – to shut down a male reporter who tried to ask about Palin’s purported leaks.

LN: I am so struck by Graves’ memory of trying, as a freelance reporter, to convince many periodicals to allow her to report on Packwood. Only The Washington Post took a chance on her story. One of the excuses other news organizations gave her was:  If it were truly a story, someone would have done it by now. Sound familiar?

BS: Well, with Packwood there was general acknowledgement he had been a serial womanizer, at the very least. In the case of Palin, I cannot think of a single prominent U.S. journalist who publicly says he or she thinks Palin likely committed a hoax – I’m counting Andrew Sullivan as mainly a blogger here – but Joe McGinniss recently came right to the edge of calling Palin out on the fake birth. I have been told off-the-record that various high-level journalists concede the likelihood that Palin perpetrated a hoax, so McGinniss is unique only in his willingness to go public with his suspicions.

LN: But let’s get back to the question of harm. What is the harm, Palin supporters ask, even if she did fake the birth of Trig?

BS:  I would say that a pathology of fear has enveloped much of Alaska, especially the Wasilla area, over this issue. You have to remember that Sarah Palin is demonstrably ruthless, unethical, and vengeful – it’s good to keep in mind her campaign to destroy the career of Mike Wooten, her former brother-in-law. Plus, in the space of four weeks in late 2008 and early 2009, fires in Wasilla damaged Palin’s church and caused the death of a former neonatal nurse, Dar Miller.  The church fire was due to arson; the cause of the fire at Miller’s home was not determined. Some people speculated that adoption records perished in the church fire, but I can find no confirmation of that.

There’s no evidence linking the Palins to those fires. But several Alaskans have told me that Wasilla residents fear they may suffer similar fates if they cross the Palins. Certainly Alaskans have good reason to fear they may lose their jobs if they anger Sarah Palin, as safety commissioner Walter Monahan did when he refused to fire Mike Wooten. She may not be in power now, but many of her loyal appointees are.

LN: And I might add here that I know first hand about people who talk, and then clam up, because they know that people are whispering about them. I know about people in government putting pressure on reporters not to report. About newspaper reporters who were talking to me one day, and then shutting down the conversation the next.

BS: And then there are stories of people who know too much or said the wrong thing about the Palins, who then suffered vandalism or worse, such as the documented case of a car window being shot out while children were inside – the apparent reason: an anti-Palin personalized license place.

I would further argue, Laura, that this pathology of fear has spawned a pathology of deceit. You recently noted how all the reporters, editors and columnists at the Alaska Daily News have seemingly been told to sing from the same hymnal concerning the fake birth question – contradicting earlier actions by ADN staff – even though the newspaper provides no documentary evidence to support the claim that Palin birthed Trig. And as I’ve noted before, former ADN reporter Wes Loy, who famously wrote that Palin “simply does not look pregnant,” for some reason decided to recant, despite evidence I provided that directly contradicts his alleged change of heart.

I am reminded of the fall of Saddam Hussein. After the liberation of Iraq, Iraqis came forward to say how terrible it had been to live in a society where saying anything negative about Saddam could have fatal consequences, and that therefore they were careful, even before their own children, to never to speak too freely. Alaska is not Iraq, of course, but I am sure there are people in Alaska who likewise are afraid to say what they know about the Palins and who dissemble in front of their children, lest loose lips lead to horrible consequences.

LN: It’s fascinating to me that this situation in Alaska with the Palins calls up for you a brutal regime where there were dire consequences for trafficking in the truth.

BS: Yes, and I am very serious when I say Alaska is in the grip of pathologies of fear and deceit. Packwood’s awful behavior affected dozens of women. Palin’s awful behavior has affected an unknown number of Alaskans (but surely many more than the number of victims in the Packwood case), who live in fear to this very day. Plus there are many more Americans who effectively have been defrauded by this woman because they sent money to SarahPAC, or paid to hear her speak, based on massive lies she has told.

And speaking of deceit, Sarah Palin’s books, and the just released book by Bristol, might be called works of “magical realism,” where some elements of reality mix with seeming magic, such as superhuman control over leaking bodily fluids and birth contractions, in the case of Sarah; or the recovery of virginal innocence – until a fateful night of wine coolers – by a teen who used to call herself a slut, in the case of Bristol.

But maybe Bristol’s book went too far in suggesting Levi was guilty of date rape. Just after her book came out, the two photos below were “discovered” at Mercede and Sherry Johnston’s home (and a giant hat tip to Gryphen for first publishing them):

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These photos raise a host of new questions, especially why a very young looking, frosted-hair Levi appears to be wearing a wedding band while holding Trig at Mat-Su Regional Medical Facility. Perhaps these pictures can be the springboard for another conversation, Laura, but for now, let me ask: Do you think the press will ever do the right thing concerning Palin as they did concerning Packwood? Where’s our Florence George Graves? Could that be you, Laura?

LN: It could be me, Brad. I am willing and able. And, just as importantly, it could be any member of the posse of incredibly dedicated and fearless bloggers and writers who have not been afraid to say, for close to three years now, that this story, and many others involving that administration, stinks. When people say this story is too old now, and offer a who cares shrug of the shoulders, Graves’ article reminds us that it took years for the truth to come out about Packwood. Cognitive dissonance was alive and well in California for – how old is Arnold’s love child? – two full terms. Edwards and Wiener look like pretenders, who got the short end of the stick (if you’ll pardon the pun) in terms of a reprieve from the media who were on to them, compared to Schwarzennegger. But in the end, the press exposed all three of these men. So is the press now ready to go after Palin?

Considering what we know of corporate-owned MSM, I doubt it. They are hemorrhaging money and they employ armies of attorneys who will advise them that they can’t afford to hemorrhage any more. Which, at the risk of sounding smug, is too bad, because this is a hell of a story to work on. And the final barrier of protecting a woman politician, and her private parts, needs to come down.

Thank you, Brad, for sharing this enlightening article with me. I enjoyed reading it and talking with you once again.  

Floyd M. Orr link
6/26/2011 09:11:47 am

Excellent article, Brad & Laura. Yes, the complicit MSM is most certainly central to this story. Keep up the good work!

Older_Wiser
6/26/2011 09:12:32 am

Excellent! Just excellent.

BlueberryT
6/26/2011 09:31:28 am

Another fine article and provocative conversation, Laura and Brad. Ironically (for the media that is so money conscious), investigating and reporting this story fully should be a best seller and a prize winner.

K.M.R
6/26/2011 09:41:05 am

I applaud your determination Laura and Brad. The back and forth conversations are a successful formula.
I think Brad got the ball rolling with his academic paper but it will be a woman who finally takes SP down.

KatieAnnieOakley
6/26/2011 09:46:00 am

Great article; maybe someone with a spine would like to earn a Pulitzer...

Anyway... another reason people in Alaska fear the Palin's is because $arah was openly backed in her quest for public office by the AIP - the very same AIP that seeks to have Alaska leave, or secede, from the United States of America. This article in Salon.com from 2008 describes the people backing $arah Palin: Secessionists and Militia members.

Joe Miller, another close Palin crony (Palin appointed Millers WIFE to the Judiciary Council), has very, VERY CLOSE TIES to Schaeffer Cox, the Commander of the Fairbanks area "Peacemakers Militia" group; he in turn has close ties to Norman Olson, he of the Michigan Militia and former instructor of Timothy McVeigh.

Schaeffer Cox also knows Palin; in the video below he speaks of her:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSPozBWAJng Listen @ 2:55

$arah and Todd run with a very, very rough crowd, and THAT is why people in Alaska will NOT speak about the Palins.


P.S. - It's the ANCHORAGE Daily News, and the Alaska Dispatch...

KatieAnnieOakley
6/26/2011 09:47:53 am

Forgot the link for $arah's AIP helpers: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/print.html

K
6/26/2011 09:51:12 am

Brad Scharlott
6/26/2011 09:52:56 am

@Pissed: Two fires in one month in that little town - and someone died a horrible death. Maybe that's just bad luck. But I'd be scared shitless by the possibility that it wasn't if I lived there. And that's what I was reporting in this article - the real fear people have.

Bobcat Logic
6/26/2011 09:57:35 am

My thoughts here may seem a bit OT, but it is a sad commentary on our MSM (and government, here and abroad) that the media has failed to cover (adequately, if at all) several unfolding nuclear disasters, or pending disasters.

For the past few weeks, only a few brave bloggers and a handful of critics have been discussing the growing nuclear emergencies along the flooding Missouri River.

What coverage the MSM has given has been to reassure: "nothing to see here folks, avert your eyes, move on."

It's been the same with the slowly (and disastrously) unravelling story of what really happened/is happening now/will-happen-next with the Fukushima meltdowns.

If it were not for Daily Kos and a few other (mostly reliable) blogs, I would never have known.

The Ft. Calhoun Nuke plant in Nebraska is now getting a bit of national reporting...but this has been going on for quite a while... under what some have referred to as a deliberate "news blackout."

There are other important stories that, for reasons that escape me (or downright frighten me), remain unreported or misreported.

Palin's "Pregnancy Hoax" is one of many.

Nevertheless, the Palin Hoax is, I think, far more important than most people think, with implications that extend to some of the richest and most powerful people in the US and abroad.

And the "Palin Hoax" is not unrelated to the other poorly-covered, but extremely consequential, news developments.

Some of the same powerful people who are behind Palin would also like to minimize our knowledge of many important threats to our country, such as the dangers currently posed by the convergence of climate change and nuclear plants.

The fear factor, for anyone who challenges "conventional MSM-reported wisdom" -- fears that Laura and Brad describe above -- is, unfortunately, not confined to Alaska or to the "Palin Hoax."

KatieAnnieOakley
6/26/2011 10:04:08 am

Norm Olson and former Michigan Militia co-founder Ray Southwell are the leaders of the present-day Alaska Citizens Militia, based on the Alaskan Kenai Peninsula.

http://groups.google.com/group/alaska-citizens-militia

It is an open, public page; anyone may read it. Yes, they are THAT BOLD.

Norm Olson ran for Lt. Governor in 2010 (he lost) as the candidate of the AIP - the same AIP that $arah and Todd Palin belonged to.

http://www.newsminer.com/view/full_story/9396405/article-Alaskan-Independence-Party-picks-Michigan-Militia-founder-for-ballot

1smartcanerican™
6/26/2011 10:09:25 am

Laura and Brad, thanks for the work you are doing. It certainly helps chip away the walls surrounding the Palins.

Pissed, you are an idiot - could you be Sarah herself? Giving to charities? Just exactly how dumb do you think we are?

Beaglemom
6/26/2011 10:17:47 am

Thank you, Laura and Brad, for your continued attention to the Palin pregnancy hoax. It is an important story and the truth needs to be revealed.

Ann On link
6/26/2011 10:19:52 am

ShameOnYouAll, "Philosophize" with Sarah Palin? Are you kidding? She can't articulate an English sentence. As for not using government assistance, does that include her husband's health care? Having her kids travel on Alaskans' dime? I'm sorry, your arguments are not at all convincing. Perhaps you should take a course in critical thinking along with your grandchildren.

Bobcat Logic
6/26/2011 10:26:38 am

I guess cocktail hour has come early tonight in AK.

Or perhaps she-who-seems- to- be already totally "pissed" is enjoying her cocktails according to the Brooklyn time zone.

FrostyAK
6/26/2011 11:04:17 am

Laura and Brad,

The closer you are to the mark, the more "fairy tale trolls" will assault the comments. Letting them speak is probably going to give us more useful information than muzzling them.

Fear in AK - you betcha there are people who are afraid. The $palin ties noted above with AIP and the militias are a part of it. One of the murder co-conspirators with militia boy Schaffer Cox is to be let out on bail, he's only charged with 7 felonies. Also as noted above, I also believe that BIG money is bankrolling $palin and her goons. We know for a fact that the Kochs bankroll the tea party. Thanks to the SC and Citizens United.

Normal everyday people are afraid to talk to each other about $palin here, because they could lose a friend (I may have done just that on Friday), or be 'reported'.

ANYone with dreams of theocracy, and that isn't just the talibangelicals, seems to think she is A-OK, super duper great. Religilists, once (and possibly now) seen as cults, seem to being leaning that way as well as the fundie Xtians.

I don't think the comparison of the current government in AK to that of Iraq under Hussein is that much of a stretch. I would then posit that the entire government of the US can be compared to the Iraqi government as well.

When I was growing up, we heard all the time in the news about the propaganda in Soviet Russia. I thought it was terrible that a government lied to the people. The difference between the people of the USSR and us is that they KNEW they were being lied to. Only real news reporters can break through that web of lies under which we currently live.

O/T. When was the last sighting of Trig? Where is he now?

comeonpeople
6/26/2011 11:23:47 am

Oh I see the bots are coming the bots are coming!!
Thanks Brad and Laura.
I'd like to state as a woman who did birth two babies And as a nurse,
Palin's tale of the tight abs, wild ride leaking fluid, big laughs big contractions, the presumed Matsu and CBJ involvement is ABUSIVE to me. The ridiculousness of it is abusive to all of us with a working brain. Listening to Palin screech about it or having the media not question the farce is abusive, plain and simple It is an assault to my sensibilities and you know what? It is an assault to my soul. How can anyone beleive this lie??

Ottoline
6/26/2011 11:30:23 am

Question for Pissed: How do you explain this Mar 14 photo? How is it possible for such a photo to exist if Palin was 7 mo pregnant then, as she claimed?

http://s406.photobucket.com/albums/pp141/WestCorrespondent/Sarah%20Palin/?action=view¤t=5weekstobaby.jpg

I have never heard even one good explanation. Please help me here.

curiouser
6/26/2011 11:41:28 am

Thank you, Laura and Brad, for this interesting conversation. A Palin pregnancy hoax is important as it relates to the media doing it's job to vet candidates. It also impacts reporting on women's issues. Palin made her 'heroic' pregnancy a key issue of her candidacy and has continued to use it to advance the anti-choice agenda (as well as earn huge speaking fees). The hypocrisy is astounding and is harmful to an honest national discussion of teen pregnancy, birth control, abortion, adoption, and child-rearing issues. How can the press report on her anti-choice views and also cover up her hypocrisy? How is she walking the walk of the personal responsibility she wants others to bear?

I'm not convinced of many things but I am convinced that Sarah Palin promoted the rumor that Bristol was pregnant with Trig and likely started it herself, whether or not it was true. She believed the rumor would shield her from questions from the press, her staff, and other first-hand witnesses to her astonishing expanding belly. She counted on a press who was afraid to expose whatever Sarah was hiding? God only knows what horrendous story would have been concocted to shame whomever reported that she was a fraud.

(I'm having trouble expressing myself but will hit 'submit' anyway. Hopefully, this makes some sense. If anyone thinks there's an idea here that merits consideration, I hope you'll feel free to rephrase it.)

Ottoline
6/26/2011 11:47:41 am

Good, good interview! Thank you. For me, the abuse is of our political system: to have a VP pull a hoax, using a disabled child, for political gain. This is really big time for me. And Part B is of course the enablers: very importantly the MSM, also the McCain team that foisted Palin upon us, and the big-money and religious enablers. All this seems really, really dangerous to our country. Perhaps it is already too late.

Question: I seem to recall in reading about JFK's sexual escapades that Old Joe Kennedy paid to keep them out of the tabloids, under the assumption that if it never makes the tabs, the MSM won't pick it up either. That he paid whenever it was likely that a story would be published, because other papers would pick it up only if that first story was published somewhere. Do you recall if this was true? Do you think this kind of thing is at play -- esp with those contacts who started to talk to you and then stopped, Laura?

I can't attribute the lack of coverage to "bodily fluids" because Palin herself brought them up -- not a reporter. Or, more accurately Palin's father brought them up, and I assumed that was because of something Plain told her father. In any case, those fluids entered public discourse because of Palin.

And "leave the children out of it" is not relevant to the Palin Hoax either, because this is not about children, neither Trig, his real bioparentage, nor Bristol. It is about Palin lying, Palin Hoaxing. That is enough. Palin lying and no one covering it much, in spite of the good documentation about it, esp since the election, and esp recently.

Keep at it, Laura and Brad. Please. Until it's over.

Ottoline
6/26/2011 11:52:03 am

Bobcat Logic -- thx for your post, for that info. I'll go read up on it now.

SLQ
6/26/2011 11:54:30 am

ShameOnYouAll: You do realize that Sarah does NOT grant interviews to anyone but Fox, don't you? So your suggestion that Laura and Brad just mosey on over to sweet Sarah the hockey mom's place is ludicrous.

You're welcome to your rose-colored opinion of her. From what I've seen, beginning with her "hockey mom" speech at the RNC, she's mean, vindictive, and dangerous to the mental health of this country and probably to any individual who dares to cross her.

Don't forget, it's most often HER OWN WORDS that convey these messages. Check out her e-mails regarding Jay Ramras if you doubt that. Ask Chip Thoma. Then come back here and report. No problem. We'll wait.

The truth will out, and will prevail.

Ottoline
6/26/2011 11:56:04 am

How do we know the Levi photos are with Trig? Or Tripp? Couldn't they be photos of the baby of one of his close friends? They do the teen baby thing so much up there.

Brad Scharlott
6/26/2011 12:02:04 pm

@Ottoline: Good question. And which Trig? I should have written "apparently" or similar hedging word one or two more times.

sleuth1
6/26/2011 12:29:22 pm

Shouldn't pissed & ShameOnYouAll be on their way to Pella, Iowa, instead of wasting their precious time blathering nonsense here?

Ottoline
6/26/2011 12:31:41 pm

Brad, I wasn't criticizing how you presented the Levi photos, only realizing myself after reading IM and the comments there, that we all assumed it was one of the Trig/Tripp babies, but because Levi seems younger and no JOHNSTON tattoo (and yet the wedding ring), I just thought we hadn't ruled out that Levi was paying a call on a friend at the hospital. It was undeveloped in his camera a long time, suggesting "not that important."

tanya phillips
6/26/2011 12:34:39 pm

I admire the frankness and the tone of your conversations about the media. I'll use the fictional example of the former HBO series "The Sopranos" to illustrate why people do not step forward with information, even if the government offers them protection. In the fictional TV series, someone is a witness to a gangland hit. He sees three men enter an empty park shed, and only two walk out. Gunshots are heard, and the third man is found dead, inside the shed, riddled with bullet holes. When the fictional witness learns that the one of the suspects is the mobster, Tony Soprano,the witness tears up the FBI contact information and forgets what he saw.

That is not a fictional example. I live in a large city where there are drive by shootings that occur too often. No one sees anything. Innocent by-standers and children are killed, and there are no witnesses. The police and local government have told the people in these neighborhoods that if they want to help clean up the gangs causing the shootings, they have to come forward and "do the right thing." No one has come forward yet. They don't fear a fire; they fear being shot or killed some other way.

I don't know what kind of real power the Palins have now. I remember the menacing tone in Todd's voice as he leaned on people, trying to get his former brother-in-law fired. I wouldn't want to mess with him either. I also know that Palin had help during the 2008 Presidential campaign. It was no accident that the Johnston family computers were cleaned. I think that there are while people may know things, like the fictional example, it is too hard right now to "do the right thing." I don't know what it will take to break the dam open a little, but when it begins to leak, then all of the pent up stuff will come flowing out. It only takes a couple of pokes here and there at the weakest places. Maybe it will be something such as Levi's "wedding ring." He said in an early Vanity Fair interview that he knew things about Sarah. Not what she did, but what she didn't do. Levi needs a good friend. Even more, if he wants to contest the one-sided custody arrangement about his son, Tripp, he needs an expensive lawyer. Surely someone can help Levi find a financially rewarding outlet for his stories. What he really needs is the ability to prove them, otherwise, they are just that, stories.

AFM
6/26/2011 12:44:15 pm

The fact if she lied about the baby why in the world would anyone allow her as president. She would lie about everything to the american people.

Palinauseous
6/26/2011 12:44:28 pm

Palin, her family, her emails, her medical records, her religion ... they're ALL fair game for the press and the blogosphere to explore, dissect and expose because she has used them all as evidence that she really IS who she says she is. (Queen Esther!)

To me, her fraud and greed need to be exposed for the same reason the ultra-conservative, holy-roller homophobes who are actually meth-smokin', hustler-hirin' closet cases need to be exposed: the HYPOCRISY.

Sarah Palin is nothing but a photogenic crook -- and that's NOT based on any "wacky conspiracy theories" or "liberal bias" ... or even on mere opinion.

It's based on the proven facts ... as in, what comes out of her mouth vs. what the official records say.

If only those psychophants who continue to worship her COULD READ ... !

FrostyAK
6/26/2011 12:48:52 pm

The tanned, summer blonde hair, pic of Levi and baby was sent to Gryphen by Mercede Johnston, supposedly found on Levi's camera, of Levi and Trig).

IMO, Levi looks much younger in the green shirt pic with "Trig" than other pics supposedly taken around the same time. The tan is much more prominent than pics SUPPOSEDLY taken less than 3 weeks later. The hair and tan is what happens to Alaskans who have worked out in the sun all summer. Also, the "JOHNSTON" tattoo is missing in this pic, but evident in a pic supposedly taken less than 3 weeks later.

Now we need to determine who is lying, about what, and why.

following from Coppell
6/26/2011 12:50:45 pm

Here's what baffles me:

Why hasn't the National Inquirer come up with anythIng after 3 yrs. As crazy as It sounds, they are my main hope. They are willing to offer money, but no one has taken the bait.

Also, what kind of agreement could Palin have had with Levi to keep him from telling the truth? Why would Sarah and Bristol lash out at Levi so publicly if he had such incriminating evidence against them?

And lastly, in terms of covering up the pregnancy, it sort of works in favor of Palin that she's such a compulsive liar. She even lies when she doesn't have to. So it's tough to figure anything out - which is one of Andrew Sullivan's main points.

Would be great if the truth will be revealed. I suspect it will have more twists and turns. Btw... There will be no Pulitzer should a newspaper uncover the hoax. Maybe if Palin was a serious politician. But she's basically on the level of Octomom.

Scorpie
6/26/2011 01:03:07 pm

Thank you both so much for your continuing efforts to keep this alive. I wish I knew what it would take to 'dethrone' her. Sometimes I get so frustrated that I just need to take a palin break.

Scorpie

sleuth1
6/26/2011 01:07:21 pm

FrostyAK, not just the tan, but also the sunburn on Levi's face.

Up
6/26/2011 01:31:38 pm

Thank you again for a stimulating conversation.

I don't understand why anyone (besides Sherry & Mercedes Johnston) thinks Levi actually wants more time with Tripp. He hasn't made any moves in that direction. He's a very young man, and many men in his position are all talk about their love for their child without the actions to back it up.

When I see Levi, I see my ex-boyfriend who talked a good game about how he loved his son. In the years I dated this man, I never saw him spend more than a half-hour at a time with his child. He was glad to pay his child support, but he was equally glad to let someone else take the burden of caring for his son.

Anon55
6/26/2011 01:31:55 pm

Pat Dougherty of the ADN is a disgrace. He's not a journalist, so why doesn't he just get a job as a corporate shill?

Of course when this all breaks, as I remain confident it eventually will, even that career path won't be open to him.

Conscious at last
6/26/2011 01:34:46 pm

@following from Coppell

Don't forget that Levi's mother is currently under house arrest for a very minor drug charge. Most likely, this is the lever that keeps Levi's mouth shut.

General Musings about Babygate:

Thinking about this situation for almost 3 years, I have an ironic conclusion. For the truth about babygate to be revealed by the MSM, it would be after something MUCH WORSE (about SP & Co.) came to light. We'd need to reach a point where SP's political career was clearly OVER.... and her usefulness OVER as well. Thus, the only way to squeeze more cash out of the goose will be to FINALLY publish the "whole truth."
Clearly this process has begun. Palin is in a slow nosedive-- the POTUS campaign tease is wearing thin.

We also have two stories which could each, potentially be explosive. There are RUMORS that:

Todd Palin was/is involved in a prostitution ring.

Sarah Palin's precipitous decision to quit her job as Alaska's governor was
because of her involvement with Shaun Christy's threats against President Obama.

If either of these stories eventually sees the light of day-- (is discussed by the MSM)- it might create an opening for babygate.

But I just want to state for the record, I care less and less about what the MSM says and does. Brad Scharlott's paper is an excellent example of why-- because they do not report the truth and moreover, they often actively squash the truth. We know the truth about babygate. The fact the Sarah Palin DID NOT give birth to any child on April 18, 2008 will not be any more true if you hear about it on CBS or NBC. We know the truth folks, we have empowered ourselves through the internet and through the efforts of some terrific and brave bloggers-- the real journalists.

So thank you Laura, Brad, Gryphen, Audrey, Bree, Regina, Patrick, Kathleen and others. It is because of your efforts that we know the truth about babygate.


Thank you also to Dunn, McGinniss, Bailey (and co-authors) and other future book authors who further codify this work.

Exp:Nov.05/08
6/26/2011 01:45:46 pm

The release of these photos has definitely hit a nerve. The bots have been dispatched. Great job, Laura. Thanks for having Brad join the discussion again.

curiouser, that was well articulated. I'm inclined to agree that the rumours about BP were perpetuated by SP herself. Her staff would never have known about them otherwise. Even that fact is outrageous! Who circulates gossip of that nature about their teen daughter amomgst their staff?? A sitting governor!?! Why tell this to anyone other than their PR person?

Ahh, but then she went on to circulate it among the world later on. And someone, somewhere, expresses admiration for this woman. It still shocks me that anyone can.
Such disregard for her own daughter. Horrible, and very apparent lack of boundaries. Any female child of hers doesn't seem to have a prayer maintaining their own dignity or privacy. No wonder BP broke down and pretended to reveal such intimate details about her life. At this point, it's expected for her to profit from salaciousness. Her mother set the stage for it. BP has no idea what those two concepts (privacy or dignity) mean. Either that, or, she lied in her book, and she believes that if what she writes isn't true, then nothing's really been exposed. And she might as well profit.
Either way, strange tomes from a supposedly Christian girl.
I believe she lied in her book, by the way.

SP is still using rumours - jury duty, bus tour, this recent silence - as a twisted form of half-cocked faux-political weaponry. She doesn't ever respond to questions and rumours with answers, she just uses more questions and rumours to deflect from the fact that she isn't answering the question. And she's proven that she'll use her children for defense and deflection, as well as she's proven she uses them to garner affection from families and women and mothers who might have voted for her.

One thing that's always bothered me. As BP's pregnancy was openly stated, it served to 'prove' they would have been open about it had she already been pregnant. A commonly repeated phrase is "if they were trying to hide a pregnancy, why would they admit BP was pregnant?". This was an important part of the deception, I think, in terms of having contributed to the average person's disbelief in the hoax (and the easy math of 4 mos baby, 5 mos pg). Like a preacher or pastor admitting he spent time with a male prostitute, but didn't have sex with him.
BP also admits BC pills BUT they're for cramps. Says she & Levi never lived together before Tripp. And then she's abstinent, and engaged, on a bed of rose petals in a magazine. And now Romeo's a gnat (and why do I know all these details again? Right - BP herself wanted me to know).

BP seems to have employed more rumours and lies as a way to try to dispel rumours. I wonder who's idea it was to have her appear so pregnant on the cover of US and DWTS, and then disappear and reappear with a new chin (jaw surgery) and slighter frame? Pregnancy rumours again employed to make other pregnancy rumours seem less credible.
Now Levi is rumoured to be a date rapist so that BP can be an innocent victim of sex. Yet here we see Levi tenderly cradling a very tiny Trig in hospital, because someone (Mercede) decided to respond to a rumour with some truth in this mess for a change.

BP and SP seem to rely on rumours and lies to conduct their lives. That's what it means to literally be living a lie, I guess. It's hard to believe the people who say they're a happy family when everything points over and over again to extreme dysfunction. These might be the same people who watch reality shows and only believe what they're shown.

The good news is that we always find out later what the truth really is. Webs can only hold so much thread before they begin unravelling. I believe these new pictures and this discourse are getting us all closer to that truth. The Trig pregnancy was fake, and the US voters and world media were hoaxed. It's a shame that SP gets to do this to her family, but she shouldn't be able to try to do this to anybody else. Any more. It is abusive.

OzMud link
6/26/2011 01:46:06 pm

Great discussion thanks!

This is far-fetched but...

It occurs to me that - in light of the rumours of Todd Palin's involvement in trafficking prostitution, that maybe this is where the buck stops?

Should the rumours prove truthful could it not be reasoned that people like newspaper editors and other ranking officials have joined in the Alaska version of Don't ask Don't tell (what you know about the Palins) as their own asses are on the line - so to speak?

If Todd Palin provided prostitute-type entertainment for Alaska dignitaries, is it not possible he also choreographed the coupling in a deliberate move to 'have the goods' on people in particular places - like - say - editor's offices or courtrooms?

I'm just saying... perhaps the group fear of which you and the good professor speak extends to a carefully orchestrated, documented escort service that catered to a specific clientelle - namely those who would be in a position to cover for Palin's less-than-honest facts about Trig and other things.

Were I a man, not wanting the world to know I'd spent time with a hooker would certainly be incentive for me to shut down any negative story which might arise about the person holding a manila envelope full of photos to my head...

Maybe the story is about the editor and not the subject after all - just sayin'

curiouser
6/26/2011 02:01:05 pm

Brad - Could you compare the new photos for lighting, exposure or whatever might make it appear that Levi is less tan than reasonable over a two-week time period? Levi's eyelashes and eyebrows are much darker in the new photos so there does appear to be some camera/lighting difference.

In the new photos, you can see a scrape on Levi's left hand that is also visible, although smaller, in the kitchen photo. Certainly, he could have re-injured himself in the same place; but the scrape supports the possibility the photos were taken shortly before the kitchen pic.

JR
6/26/2011 02:07:08 pm

Thank you for continuing to inquire about this strange tale. I think it is very important - maybe more so than we will ever know. I have been reading about the Trig baby mystery since John McCain chose Sarah Palin and I never bought the Bristol is pregnant therefore can't be the birth mother of Trig story. It doesn't really matter who the birth mother is, but it does matter to me that a person selected to be the VP candidate for my country actually put padding under her clothing to carry out a hoax. Only a mentally unstable person would carry out such a bizarre scheme.
I do feel fear for those who get too close to the answer, and I think it has something to do with Bristols true stage of pregnancy (or lack thereof) at the RNC.
Thanks again for your perseverance.

Rationalist
6/26/2011 02:23:57 pm

Thanks, Laura & Brad, for another thought provoking post. I wish you both luck with being the first journalists to attempt to report this for real. now, if a major news outlet would only stand behind you and publish your research!

Regarding women - I've seen two trends. One is women who hear the wild ride story and immediately call bullshit. The other are self-proclaimed feminists who defend Palin. I got into an extended debate (probably ill-advised) with folks at Feministe about Palin, with the conclusion being that it's absolutely sexist to ask Palin anything about her pregnancy. I tried to point out that they were letting her hide behind feminism and giving her a pass because she's a woman, but they wouldn't hear of it.

Bobcat Logic
6/26/2011 03:01:06 pm

I think Sarah Palin --crazy as she is, and out of control as she currently appears to be -- is a small cog in a much bigger set of wheels and gears.

This has "Dominionist", "C Street," "Religious-Nationist Extremist," GOP plot written all over it.

Sarah may not have even originated this hoax, and she certainly did not carry it out without a lot of help (Fundie baby mills, major political operatives, and lots of money from outside). The Bristol subplot is mainly a diversion from the bigger Hoax.

Sarah Palin's Pregnancy Hoax seems to be first and foremost a political plot --in fact, a geopolitical plot. Think about it!

With Sarah spiraling even more out of control than usual, if tonight's posts to this blog are an accurate indication, she and her co-conspirators are sweating blood right now.

What if Sarah decides to turn on her co-conspirators?

What if she decides to turn on Todd and his international blackmail ring?

This could be huge, and I'll bet everyone involved, especially Sarah, is watching her/his back, big time, and wondering where to turn next.

nellie
6/26/2011 03:04:29 pm

Fear in AK is a real factor. My husband was threatened because of his environmental work. He kept going. More threats, this time death threats. We got our name off the mailbox, taught our three year old not to say our last name out loud. People were told not to fly with him. The plane's engine quit midair with a full load of passengers; he got them down safely. Law enforcement was brought in but investigations were inconclusive. We left Alaska within the month. Never gone back. A grand land with some fine people. Some seriously disturbed ones, too, who float up there because they can't function elsewhere.

Ferry Fey
6/26/2011 03:17:37 pm

A journalistic concern for propriety may have been the motive for some journalist silence. But I think more importantly, it was the sheer ignorance of the details of giving birth that kept them from noticing and following up on anything strange,

aussiegal77
6/26/2011 03:31:47 pm

Don't send a man to do a woman's work. If women journalists were asking Nicole Wallace the tough questions about the Wild Ride Trig birth story - her come-backs would have been quite different, obviously. Wallace knows the truth - she's not saying it for some reason. I'm convinced of that because why else would she ask such a blatantly off-putting question and frame it in such intimate terms? This isn't Wallace's first rodeo so she could have worded her response more delicately. She chose not to - because she needed to shut the men up. Nothing backs a man off faster than "women's business". Wallace did it for a reason and I am pretty convinced it was to cover up for Palin. Why she hasn't shared what she knows now is anyone's guess. Steve Schmidt has said Going Rogue is "100% fiction". That would include the Wild Ride story. I think he meant it the way it sounds - EVERYTHING in Palin's books are fiction, including Trig's birth story.

V
6/26/2011 03:41:08 pm

Laura: I hope you are the one who finally gets this story to break out! Although of course many others have worked on it, too. Brad's efforts did cause a blip.

Some disjointed remarks:

I keep asking myself, what would be enough to make the MSM finally take notice? A source who speaks? Health care information? Since the photos don't seem to be enough.

And of course this is not the only story ignored by the MSM. Search for "Project Censored" for an annual list.

At least people in Iraq knew that Hussein was lying to them - too large a portion of the electorate doesn't ask questions.

Thanks so very much for posting the very young Levi pictures! My browser doesn't get along with the IM website.

From the thread, it looks as if the bots were here ... but with their comments gone, the rest of the thread is a little confusing.

Viola
6/26/2011 03:41:25 pm

Laura and Brad, I believe you may be the magic combo-- the straw that breaks the Palin/camel's back. Keep the heat on! Citizen journalism!

Lidia17
6/26/2011 03:45:35 pm

Great post, Brad & Laura…!

@Bobcat Logic, I always like your comments, and the one above is particularly good. As I have said repeatedly, if the MSM would lie to us about Sarah Palin’s freaky pregnancy hoax (and they are essentially lying, every minute that they have given her air time as though she were a serious person, while knowing—AND THEY KNOW, ALL RIGHT—that Tri-G is not her bio kid), then What Wouldn’t They Lie to Us About?

I agree that there are probably other overtones: big and influential backers or small and dangerous ones. But that doesn’t change the fact that the news media is completely broken and substantially not worth attending, as you have pointed out so well. Sarah represents the absolute nadir of American society and the definitive wooden stake in the heart of democracy,

@comeonpeople, I know exactly how you feel. It IS an assault. It’s as though we have gone back in time 100 years and we (women) are just not supposed to question what’s going on here. Our voices are dismissed. Worse, the media FAKES our “voices”, crowding them out with nonsense like The View and Oprah. I am nauseated that the “Superwoman” myth keeps getting traction, overall, not just re. Palin, although everyone lapped up that aspect of her fractured fairy tale. Oprah has more money than God, and runs her own show; if she took women’s interests AT ALL to heart she should have nailed that bitch Sarah. It would have been soooo easy. Living your best life, my ass!

I am so disgusted and heartsick every time I think about this cynical manipulation we undergo without FIGHTING BACK. If I were in the US, I would be printing up thousands of accusatory flyers and sticking them amongst the pages of newspapers and books, so that people might question the crap they are being fed. I would try to buy a billboard and put the flat-bellied pic and the Gusty pic on it!

The media is pretty horrible in Italy, but at least with newspapers, each political party has one (and there are lots of parties) so you can choose from a smorgasbord of spin and hope that it balances out. And we are now seeing the dirty linen of the premier Berlusconi, finally, another case involving mental illness, prostitution, and abuse of power.

@curiouser, I think I know what you are saying. It kind of ties in with the “Superwoman” myth above: as in, “see, Sarah Palin can manage five kids and be governor [she couldn’t], Sarah Palin can have a DS kid at forty-something and pretend that that’s a wonderful thing [she didn’t], Sarah Palin can run meetings on energy policy while texting on two Blackberries [she couldn’t], Sarah Palin can go running in her 7th month of pregnancy, ‘thrashing her guts” [she didn’t], Sarah Palin can cook up a batch of moose chili [she can’t], and is a seasoned hunter [who can’t load a gun or hit a target in less than five tries].

EVERY SINGLE THING that is supposed to be “heroic” about Sarah Palin is a complete and utter lie. But worse, it leaves the stench out there that real women with real lives who need to make real hard choices for themselves about their work life, home life and sex life, will always somehow be “lesser” or undeserving or incompetent because they can’t “do it all”. It’s very insidious and IMO intentional.

@OzMud… I can see it, easily. While I think Shailey Tripp is messed up, and a potentially unreliable narrator, Sarah herself is the one who blurted out that Todd was not involved in a “prostitution RING”. Nobody had said before that there was a “ring”, I don’t believe. Todd seems like one of those “still waters run deep” sort of fellows. When you add in the AIP, which seems like a bunch of “enforcers” up there… hell, is there any reason we shouldn’t be taking a much closer look at “Stud Boy” Todd? And the editor’s silence does start to make a lot more sense… (I never figured “ad revenue” was much of an issue. because isn’t the State bound to publish such legal notices? The ADN is far and away the main paper.) I really had not thought about the prostitution angle as paving the way for the Palins to take over the state.

@JR, yes the flying monkeys were most incensed when Audrey started looking into Bristol’s pregnancy as well.

ivyfree
6/26/2011 05:14:08 pm

I don't have the sources for it, but I'm sure it's out there: I read, more than a year ago, about a family who had a sign up, "Impeach Palin" right where Todd has to see it when he lands his plane.

They came home one day to find one of their sheds burnt and a couple of guys spreading accelerant around their house.

The next day, they found the body of their dog in the field behind the house- shot.

As I recall, the perpetrators were arrested, tried, and convicted, and now the family's sign reads, "Thank God She Quit."

Janice Soderquist
6/26/2011 06:11:20 pm

Are there any other photos of Levi wearing that old green t-shirt? They don't last forever.

Martha
6/26/2011 10:07:18 pm

What is that white smoky thing in the first picture of Levi?

Brad Scharlott
6/26/2011 10:24:35 pm

@Martha: I think the first picture was somehow damaged - maybe something stuck to it and peeled a bit of it off.

Somebody asked about adjusting pic to get a better sense of sunburn, etc. I don't think further changes will help - I did lighten a bit vs. what you see at Gryphen's. His cheeks are red. Is that sunburn, or the reaction to holding his baby?

Someone told me he is likely wearing a "promise" wedding band, like an engagement ring, that Bristol may have given him. Makes sense.

Lilybart
6/26/2011 10:45:14 pm

Well, we do know now that Palin lied about Levi not being there for the birth of Tripp, Bristol says he was there and she hates him so it must be true.

And he got the tattoo on May 3rd, his 18th bday, so the photo of Levi and Trig with tattoo was NOT taken on May 3 as thought previously.

mistah charley, ph.d. link
6/26/2011 11:27:34 pm

Two points from Bristol on Good Morning America this morning:

1)She walked back the "date rape while drunk" implication in her book - explicitly said she wasn't calling it date rape, and recognized her own responsibility in drinking under those circumstances.

2)She said that whether or not Sarah would run for President was still an open question, and that Bristol was in favor of this.

On the issue of conspiracy theories, how some go to far, and others not far enough:

My sentiments are along the lines of Bobcat Logic, Lidia17, et al.: that Sarah Palin was (and maybe still is, but hopefully to a lesser extent) being supported by several powerful entities, with to some extent overlapping agendas. In my opinion, Michele Bachmann is likely to be the successor recipient of the support of most of these networks of misguided idealists and pragmatic corporate fascists.

It may indeed be too late, I sometimes think - not only too late for America to ever become the humane and reasonable country that Kurt Vonnegut's generation fought for, but too late for industrial civilization to avoid a catastrophic crash from global warming and/or fossil fuel depletion, and subsequent mass starvation and resource wars. But then I recall an early Todd Rundgren song, "Just One Victory": "We may feel about to fall, but we go down fighting - Underneath it all, we are here together - Eyes that have seen will know what I mean."

Jeanette123
6/27/2011 12:01:44 am

I really like your posts and the two-person conversation format is great. However, as another commenter noted, it is confusing and sometimes frustrating to read the thread with some comments deleted that others are responding to. I wish you would leave them in. When the trolls show up, it is an indication that the discussion in frightening them and sometimes they tell more than they think. I personally don’t think it helps any to respond to them, but others may choose to do so.

I would like you and Brad have a discussion on this blog about the new pictures with the discussion left at the top of your page long enough for everyone to weigh in. Here are my thoughts with thanks to IM since most of the info from the discussion on that site.

A commenter said they had contacted Androcrombie and Finch and the t-shirt was the summer of 07 version. It looks a worn and small for Levi, so the picture was probably taken in 08.

I think the pictures are important since it seems they were released by Mercedes as a warning to Bristol about what she was saying about Levi in her book and to not enhance what I consider Bristol’s written lies more in the interviews about the book.

The pictures definitely seem to be taken in the maternity room at the hospital in Wasilla. Sadie says the only baby Levi visited in the hospital was Trig. However, she does not say what the date was and many of us believe that whoever birthed him, Trig was born before long before April 18th.

The timing of the “kitchen” pictures does not seem to work. They supposedly are taken on Levi’s 18th birthday. However, Sadie says Levi got the Johnston tattoo on his 18th birthday and that would have been the first day that he could have gotten without his parent’s permission (or maybe presence). Clearly that tattoo was not made the day the picture was taken.

I do not think Sarah was actually present the day the pictures were taken since the one with her is sepia and the others are in color. I think she was photo shopped in.

In comparing Levi’s age, it is helpful to look at the picture of Levi, his father and supposedly Tripp, I think from Sadie’s blog since her text is on it. If it is Tripp, the picture would have been taken in early 09 and to me Levi looks much younger than he did in the convention pictures. That picture supposedly was also taken in the Palin’s house and Levi has a different t-shirt on than he does in the kitchen pictures. This t-shirt has McCain Palin at the top but it seems it was either a transfer ironed on or a photo shop since it has a white rim around much of it. I suspect it was photo shopped to date the picture as after August 08 and wonder if this is Trig. And we still have the phrase “Trig was Tripp before he was Trig.” And we still seem to have at least two Trigs, ruffles and the very large for his age Trig presented at the convention.

I would love to have the two of you and maybe others have a discussion about these pictures and maybe include the one with Levi holding two babies with one of them cropped from the picture. I don’t remember the background or t-shirt in that picture.

Lidia17
6/27/2011 12:01:47 am

@lilybart, since the source for both of those assertions is Mercede Johnston, it's anyone's guess whether she is telling the truth about the date of the tattoo or the date of the TriggyBear/"party" photos, or neither.

Viola
6/27/2011 12:41:54 am

When I explained one day the entire Palin saga to my husband (who had kept my obsession at arm's length), he said just one thing: organized crime. Nothing produces that kind of fear, he said, except organized crime. Now, what "organized crime" in AK may mean, I don't know. It may just be mean men in parkas, but then again. . .

Shailey Tripp and Spalin's "prostitution ring" remark make total sense to me. I grew up in East Texas in the era of BIG OIL. Bryan Burrough's book The Big Rich tells how 1930-40's Texas oil men created what we know today as the ultra-conservative movement, as a way to protect their plundering ways and unfettered appetites from taxes and regulation. They hated Roosevelt, even Eisenhower, and especially Kennedy-- because they believed they were bigger than anything national. They were not Americans. They were Texas oil men.

History does repeat itself.





Laura Novak link
6/27/2011 12:44:08 am

Someone wrote this to me offline:

Keep it up! This woman's behavior is so monstrous that someone has to stop her, the sooner the better. And I agree with the idea that she is benefiting from one of the last remaining taboos: women's vaginal effluent. I've always felt that the best place to hide contraband is in a box of sanitary napkins. And you can take that metaphor and run with it.

Great comment. And as to why I delete others: I have my reasons and that's all I will say right now.

lilly lily
6/27/2011 12:59:50 am

So Levi stole her virginity, but, didn't rape her.?

What is the difference Bristol?

As far as the pictures of Levi. More and more questions that only Levi can answer now.

Viola
6/27/2011 01:16:04 am

A million pieces to this puzzle. It may end up being the ultimate American story, from womb hoax to worse crimes. Who knows, really, how deep this all goes.

Exactly one year ago, SPalin gave a speech in my East Texas home town in a strange venue, The Oil Palace. (You can read its history on Wikipedia.) She was the guest of an extremely rich and shady character, Bobby Joe Manziel. Manziel is a convicted counterfeiter and "con man" with a host of legal problems, but he also comes from a wealthy oil family who was reputed to have organized crime ties when I was growing up. The Manziels were big in boxing circles and they raised fighting cocks, in our sleepy Texas neighborhood. ( The neighborhood kids and I would sneak onto their property and watch the cocks fight. )

You can read more about the Manziels and SPalin's connection to them here.

http://palingates.blogspot.com/2010/05/sarah-palin-and-glenn-beck-complain.html

lilly lily
6/27/2011 01:25:43 am

People do seem to be getting very tired of both Sarah and Bristol and their hypocasy.

One trait that Americans in general do deride is the inability of someone to admit to mistakes or those who blame everyone else but themselves for their problems.

The Palin women are expert victims. Sarah claims she is a tough as nails Grizzley mom with a thick Rhino skin and deserves to be POTUS.

But screw up that she is , it is always someone elses fault and whines.

Ditto grizzley cub Bristol.

They are painting Levi as an irresponsible liar and cheat. He may be irresponsible, and he may be a cheat, but I don't think he is a liar.

It will be interesting to read about his take on the Palin tribe.

Maddies_Mom
6/27/2011 01:26:24 am

Mistah Charley, you've quoted one of my heroes, Todd Rundgren. "Just One Victory" is a fantastic song.... "I may feel about to fall, but I go down fighting"...

dlb44
6/27/2011 02:02:35 am

Great posting, Laura and Brad. Wonder if we can lobby for a Best Investigative Citizen Journalist / Blogger Pulitzer prize for both of you when you break the story of Sarah's hoax?

V
6/27/2011 02:26:37 am

Question re the pictures. Do we know that they are, for sure, in the Mat Su hospital? Or could the furniture and the windows/blinds belong to some other place?

My theory is that TriG was not born at MatSu but at some other place in Anchorage -- most likely on February 7th -- where CBJ had privileges.

If some health worker out there wants to talk about the furniture they have - snap a picture and send it to Laura - this information is not information that needs to be kept quiet. And this might finally break down the spiral of silence...

Laura, if you feel this is too hot you can delete this post too and pursue it offline.

Jeanette 123
6/27/2011 02:37:01 am

Another baby picture. I took a screen shot of the GMA picture of Bristol and the two babies and can't figure it out. At least GMA thinks the one on the left is Tripp since they zoom in on him when talking about Tripp. I presume the baby on the right is Trig but which Trig, I don't know. The two babies simply look the same age in this picture.
If it was GMA footage, it would likely have been taken in 12/10, which is when they visited Alaska. Maybe the right age for Tripp but certainly this would not be the picture of a 2 1/2 year old Trig, particularly if it was the very large Trig paraded out on the convention floor in 08. That Trig looked larger than this picture.

Pam
6/27/2011 02:46:39 am

Thank you both for your continued research in the hoax. I have believed it from the beginning and I cannot wait for all of this to be exposed. And it will be exposed. I think Palin is beginning to realize that this issue is not going away, and she is just trying to get as much money as quickly as possible. The determination of bloggers was more than she knew, and she has greatly underestimated the intelligence of women. Thanks again for your continued work. I am also interested in the fact that you think Bristol may have faked her pregnancy with Tripp. Maybe that accounts for Levi's seemingly little interest in parental rights? I look forward to your future posts. Best to you.. I wish I could help -

Rationalist
6/27/2011 02:57:49 am

I think it's important to keep in mind that Mercede does not know everything about Levi. He could easily have visited a baby at Mat Su without her knowing about it.

About the digital camera debate - the only non-digital cameras any kids use these days are disposable ones, which would have been available at the Mat-Su gift shop. I find the story that Mercede "just found these in a pile of Levi's pictures" pretty suspect.

Honestly - we don't know whose baby Levi's holding. I assume Jesse Griffin has asked him but hasn't gotten an answer yet. It could totally be the product of one of a jillion Wasilla teen pregnancies. He looks pretty tender with that baby, but without more information, it's all speculation.

I think we have to approach this Agatha Christie-style. We must be as Hercule Poirot - setting aside all prejudices and ignoring everything the subjects say about the evidence. And yet we must also be as Miss Marple, using our experience with human nature to guide us.

And one more thing about babies: I see a lot of speculation about which baby is which, but babies just look weird in pictures, you know? Their faces are already kind of smashed up and they are usually asleep. I think it's pretty pointless to come to conclusions about their identity and size unless there's something really glaring like a perforated ear.

My thoughts for the day!

Alaska RavenTrax
6/27/2011 04:00:25 am

Concerning the hoopla about the tan and red face. Alaskans use tanning beds all year round.

Molly
6/27/2011 04:18:05 am

Politicalgates had a photo of Piper holding a very small baby in the same blanket as the Levi's pics. I would hazard a guess that it is the same baby. The background is identical.

Meg
6/27/2011 04:50:05 am

I appreciate all you are doing Laura and Brad. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

The truth needs to come out!

voiceinwind
6/27/2011 05:13:30 am

Excellent post! Great comments!

I do not consider screechy's hoax using a baby with a disability to entice pro-life voters a personal or a private matter. No doubt, a baby is the product of intercourse and screechy alleged she delivered a baby on 04-18-08. But that photo of screechy dated 03-14-08 showed no pregnancy that could produce a six plus pound baby five weeks later. So I do not see this as a taboo subject. I see this as a politician who blatantly lied to the American public for personal, political and monetary gains. A politician who used others to help cover up her lie, and repeated the lie for the purpose of deceiving the public in order to be elected to a higher political office. A heartbeat away from the highest political office in this country, and the most influential office in all the world. The lie should not be excused away because the politician is a woman or even if that baby is her grandchild. Of course, screechy knew from the beginning that only DNA testing could prove that she was not the biological mother of that baby and she certainly was not going to agree testing. And as governor, she appointed the person over the state office that issues birth certificates. But a birth certificate cannot explain away that photo dated 03-14-08 or all the other photos and videos that prove screechy was not pregnant during her partial term as governor.

At midnight on April 30, 1979, a new federal law signed by Reagan went into effect that gave women the same paid leave of absence for delivering a baby as one would receive having major surgery. But screechy did not need any paid leave, i.e., women do not need any paid leave. Like screechy, they can go back to work in just a couple of days. I guess CBJ concurred if she signed screechy's release to return to work form. Screechy has been put on some kind of icon motherhood pedestal. "Ultimate integrity." Was those the words written by that fourteen year old boy in that email to screechy about her as mayor going back to work a couple of days after the delivering her last baby? I see no integrity, only a woman who grabbed a little baby with a disability that can be diagnosed prior to birth. And she held up that baby before the public to make her a pro-life walk the talk candidate.

I experienced amino fluid leakage with two pregnancies while in my 20s. So when I found that wild ride interview on video, I watched it three times in a row in disbelief. She walked into the area to give that interview like any other interview. And I would bet money she was wearing heels, too. Her husband was carrying the baby, while she kept trying to fix the little baby's cap. She might have made it through that morning at the conference wearing a diaper, but standing around in heels, walking through airports and travelling thousands of miles, even wearing seat belts, no way. With my first baby, I went into labor six hours after I began leaking fluid. I delivered my second baby ten hours after I began leaking fluid. So I could not understand her doctor saying it was not unreasonable for screechy to travel. Until I saw that photo dated 03-14-08 which proves screechy was not pregnant. What a slap in this mother's face! This was a political hoax by a deceitful politician.

Oh, and true story...several years ago after back surgery, I was told by my pain doctor to look for another job. He told me to not walk in looking like my back was hurting because there may be hidden cameras watching. And he told me not to put on my job application that I had back surgery. Instead, he said put down that I had a hysterectomy and no one would ask me any questions. I just looked at that old man thinking, what if it's a woman doing the interview? Not to mention it would be a reason for termination. I reported that conversation to my surgeon and he looked stunned. And then he sent me to another doctor.

Keep up the good work! And thanks for sharing that article!

lilly lily
6/27/2011 05:43:32 am

Interesting that they showed Bristol with both Trig and Tripp.

I stopped at Borders yesterday, and they don't have Bristols book featured on the new book tables. You have to order the book. I think they are cutting back on inventaory, and don't want to be stuck like they were with her mothers two ghosted books. I'm curious about the pictures chosen, but haven't checked libraries.

I notice they have blocked Politicalgates, and Palingates on the computer at the library I stopped by today. Very Republican town.

Other libraries don't block acsess to those two sites, though I don't go to the comments often because disques is truly a pain and time waster. I wonder if disques is the reason, or because they disaprove of the sites.

Ditto Immoral Minority, though I did manage to read the comments on the stupid Bristol interview on stolen virginity.

Bristol is playing to her mothers audience and only to them. No one seems to think she has any credability.

Tomorrow should be interesting for comedy with the new political advertisement for Palin.

Hoping it rains on her parade and her bots.

Laura Novak link
6/27/2011 05:53:36 am

Lilly Lily, Wow, that's creepy. Do you really think it's for content? I didn't know that public computers could block sites that the host of the facility doesn't like. Double Wow!

Great theories, all of you. As for Nicole Wallace, the come back should have been: "Well, yes, that IS what I am asking." They deflected all the time with indignation.

So, I've seen the photos of the family on presumably the same couch with a baby with the same blanket. Piper looks awfully young. Are we all on the same page with this?

rubbernecking
6/27/2011 06:46:34 am

Laura, it would be interesting to read an interview of you and Graves discussing the Palin story. Graves also did an expose on the credibility issues of Kathleen Willey, a woman who accused President Clinton of harassment and was a key witness in the Starr investigation. Her reporting on Willey seems to have some interesting parallels to your work.

Can you provide links to the additional couch photos discussed in the thread?

I'm reluctant to get into another fact-checking spat but here's a link to an April 2009 ADN article about arson in Mat-Su Valley (http://www.adn.com/2009/04/07/751917/another-fire-considered-suspicious.html). The article quotes the Mat-Su Fire Chief on the cause of the fire at the nurse's home (cigarette smoking). Why do you say the cause was undetermined?

Bobcat Logic
6/27/2011 06:50:37 am

And for what the MSM isn't telling us about the developing situation in Nebraska and IOWA (where Sarah's headed), see

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/27/989169/-UPDATED-Nuke-Plant-Update:Water-Enters-Turbine-BuildingTurbines?via=siderec

And thank you for your kind words above, Lydia17. You have done VERY important work on the Palin Hoax story!

rubbernecking
6/27/2011 07:07:11 am

Regarding libraries blocking access, aren't all the named examples running on blogspot.com? Can you access:

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/

If would be a massive and time-consuming undertaking to pick-and-choose blogspot sites according to political leanings.

Mhurka
6/27/2011 07:15:16 am

Each time a possible new piece of the puzzle appears (such as a new photo) more questions seem to arise than are answered. The babygate story has so many substories within sub-sub stories that there seems to be no end in sight. There are so many angles and perspectives that there is enough material building up here that would probably fill a number of books with each book approaching the subject matter from different perspective(s) (i.e. psychological, political,social, medical, ethical, criminal,cultural(Alaskan culture in particular), journalistic, religious,economic-corporate/business, etc., etc.) Truly amazing.

Laura Novak link
6/27/2011 07:41:51 am

Rubbernecking: I didn't say the cause was undetermined. Maybe someone else did? I haven't followed the story enough to make a statement about it.

And I will do with the couch photos. Just need to organize it.

And Mhurka, I know, it IS amazing isn't it. No piece ever solves any part of this. Funny how that happens!

mmud
6/27/2011 07:49:16 am

Hi Laura, Re:"So, I've seen the photos of the family on presumably the same couch with a baby with the same blanket. Piper looks awfully young. Are we all on the same page with this?"

Would you kindly post a link to this photo? Or even post it here on your blog?

I am an avid Palin blog follower and I have never seen this photo. I searched Politicalgates for it but did not get it.

Thanks!

DebinOH
6/27/2011 07:50:13 am

Another great conversation. It amazes me that there are not a million reporters on this story. I would have to think it would be worth millions. Is it just because it is a woman, a vagina, leaking fluid from a vagina? Is it because everyone saw what Andrew Sullivan has went through? Sarah is from Alaska and it is too far away to do the research? No one talking yet and they are sick of the brick wall?

Lilly - I cannot believe that they block anything at a library (other than porno). Shocking to say the least. I guess all things republican are just a-okay, all things liberal - not so much!

Keep chipping away Laura & Brad. Eventually the truth will come out. I just hope it doesn't take as long as Arnold's shocking secret.

K.M.R
6/27/2011 07:56:47 am

Rubbernecking,
Brad, not Laura, said that the cause of the fire at Dar Miller's was "was not determined."

Find it in the body of the post.

JR
6/27/2011 08:21:27 am

Debinoh, you ask why there "are not a million reporters on this story". I think the answer is John McCain. Nobody wants to destroy the career of an old war hero - and believe me, this will ruin him and all of his 2008 top campaign advisers. These people know the truth, or at least the minimal fact that Sarah Palin did not give birth to Trig. That's why it's "hands off" IMO.

Brad Scharlott
6/27/2011 08:43:48 am

@Rubbernecking: I had not seen that ADN story from April 7, which says:

"Darlene Miller, 54, a popular hospice nurse, died with her two dogs and a pet bird after being overcome by heat and smoke in her home on West Melanie Avenue, fire officials said. Miller apparently fell asleep with a lit cigarette that started the blaze, Steele said. The fire started in the area of a day bed in a downstairs entry area. There was no indication alcohol was involved, he said."

The ADN from the time of the fire, 1/13/08 says:

"Firefighters found the 54-year-old Miller unconscious and badly burned, but still alive in her Wasilla home Jan. 5. Though a cause has yet to be established, the long-smoldering fire apparently started near a bed on the first floor, burning so hot it charred beams and melted pictures on the wall. Miller's two dogs died next to her."

I would have phrased my comments in our conversation differently had I seen the later story, but I am troubled by this whole thing. Was there an officially determination that cigarette smoking caused the fire? I doubt it. If so, when was that made, and why was it not reported in a timely way? The mention in April seems too offhand.

I was privately emailed by someone who wanted to see the investigative report on the fire and was stonewalled -likewise for the church fire. I guess I'd like to know more about the fire chief's background.

So, as this stand now, I'd say we know of no official cause of fire, but do have the fire chief merely speculating about the cause in an offhand way.

What I want to know: Did Dar Miller smoke?

Laura Novak link
6/27/2011 08:50:34 am

MMud, yes, I will, in a little while. Organizing something first. Thanks for reading!

Floyd M. Orr link
6/27/2011 09:20:49 am

This is off topic, but I think the readers here will want to know about this. Regular commenter Lidia17 just sent me a new edited version of the Hike Around Juneau from 2/13/08 and I am mightily impressed. She had asked if I would like her to create a tighter version of this video after reading my blog reference to it earlier this month. You can click my name above to read my brief introduction and see the new version on YouTube. Thank you.

Ron
6/27/2011 09:35:37 am

It sure looks to me like there are blankets/pillows on the sofa Levi's sitting on...like maybe he slept there. If someone else slept there, you would think the blankets would be removed before someone else (Levi) would sit on them. Why would he sleep there if he wasn't waiting for the birth of his child?

LTA
6/27/2011 09:57:15 am

Brad, for the life of me I don't revall on which blog it was mentioned but right after Dar died, someone claiming to be a member of Dar's partner's family said not only did she not smoke, she was incredibly, vocally, intensely ANTI smoking. The person said Dar had seen what cigarette smoke did to fragile preemie babies she had worked with and it strengthened her already very strong opinion on nicotine.

From the way it was explained then, when Dar's partner tried beseeching the chief to look again, he basically blew her off and treated her like a high strung woman with "the vapors"...he cruelly told Dar's partner that the smoking was probably just "one of many" secrets Dar kept to herself.

The person who posted this comment on whichever blog or article it was, deleted it after just a few hours. Personally, I think Dar's partner asked the poster to remove the comment...I think she was scared. After all if Dar WAS murdered, the person/s who did so likely wondered what, if anything, Dar might have told her longtime love.

I wish Dar's partner would come forward and clarify these things...and also just share a bit about Dar. She sounded like SUCH a great woman...warm, ambitious, generous, compassionate..

It's just a damn shame she is probably forever going to be known as "the woman who fell asleep with a cig" in Alaska. In my gut I feel that is not true at all...but even if it was, how dare her life of service and outreach be defined by a single moment?


Brad & Laura, I would love to see your methodical take on a comparison of the church fire and Dar's house fire. What time of day each occurred, what type pattern the flames burned, etc. But mostly...the similarities people have encountered when trying to obtain basic information which SHOULD be publicly available.

jk
6/27/2011 10:10:44 am

About the ring...
Kids wear promise rings, yes: silver things, bands with stones, rings on various fingers. But a gold band on the ring finger of the left hand? Ime, that means one thing & one thing only.

DKey link
6/27/2011 10:11:17 am

Excellent, Brad and Laura! True journalists in the midst of this famine of Truth. I echo the desire to know if Dar Miller smoked! And Sarah's "wild ride" doesn't pass any test I know of. I have two children and the labor with my 9-pound second daughter was 2.5 hours from start to finish. Even though I left for the hospital after my first labor pain I was worried I wouldn't make it. And my water hadn't even broken yet. The thought of doing a speech and getting on a flight to anywhere after the FIRST signs of labor would be insane! This is SUCH a big lie. Thanks for exposing it.

Molly Malone
6/27/2011 10:24:17 am

I'd like to ditto what LTA said.

So far, all we have are bits and pieces about the church fire and Dar Miller's death that simply do not add up.

Anon55
6/27/2011 11:33:22 am

@ Brad Scharlott. Great minds think alike. The first question I also had was "Did Dar Miller smoke?"

I'm not saying that a RN wouldn't smoke, but most health professionals that I know do not smoke.

Also, I think it is interesting that the two dogs were unscathed and apparently didn't bark to alert Dar about the fire.

Conscious at last!
6/27/2011 11:40:58 am

Re: Dar Miller

Yup- I think it may be time to start shaking that tree-- but with caution.


Laura Novak link
6/27/2011 11:51:50 am

Anon55, that was my first thought as well. Okay, Conscious, where to begin? Hmmm.

rubbernecking
6/27/2011 12:01:25 pm

The 4/7/2009 ADN article says

"Since December, there have been three fires deemed suspicious and two fatal fires. Fire officials said this week they've wrapped up their investigations of the fatal fires..."

The article proceeds to describe a fire that killed a child and then then fire that killed the nurse. I read this as the Fire Chief describing the outcome of the completed investigations of the two fatal fires, not as speculation.

Brad, is there a valid reason why the person who emailed you would be given investigative reports? If the Federal Bureau of ATF is assisting the church fire, this would appear to be a serious, active investigation. I don't think it's uncommon for investigators to withhold details from the public until a case is closed. As for closed reports, some cities limit release of the fire report to victim, insurance agent, attorney, or others in-the-need-to-know. Maybe call (http://www.matsugov.us/cmsfd/cmsfdinforequest) and find out who is entitled to reports?

According to the news account, the hospice nurse was very admired. Do people really believe not a single friend, colleague, or sibling would have filed a police report or gone to the press if they thought the fire investigation was flawed? Is it fair to this woman's memory to imply she was killed because she would betray a patient's confidence without a scrap of evidence?

How do AK people like Halcro and Devon fit into this "pathology of fear and deceit?" What's their motivation for staying away from the maternity theories?

Anon55
6/27/2011 12:41:05 pm

@ Laura Novak

Re dogs barking, anyone know any vets or animal behaviorists? Also do we know the breed or breeds?

I see lots of anecdotal stories on the Web about dogs saving their owner's lives by barking to alert of a fire, but I don't know if those stores are just that -- anecdotal. (Although I sure hope my dog would bark to alert me).

@ Rubbernecking. No is saying "without a scrap of evidence" that this woman was killed because she betrayed a patient's confidence. We have no idea if the nurse had any knowledge of Sarah's faked pregnancy. All we are saying is that because the MSM won't do its job -- has abdicated its job -- we have to take over and nothing is off limits as far as an area of inquiry. You can't honestly be suggesting that investigators censor their inquiries, can you? Sometimes areas of inquiry don't pan out, once they are followed. But that's what real journalists do - they follow through on areas of inquiry.

As to Halcro and Devon, well let me give you some "areas of inquiry" to chew on. Devon, I think, is an easy one. She saw how the MSM tried to marginalize Andrew Sullivan for asking questions about what leaked or didn't leak out of Sarah's vagina. Andrew could give a shit -- he's already made it as a journalist and is secure and, in any event, has always had a reputation as an iconoclast. Devon -- well she's trying to make it as a blogger. She's just getting started, and seemed to desperately want to play with who she perceived with the big boys and girls at the Huffington Post. Wasn't willing to take on the MSM.

As to Halcro, (1) i don't think he purports to be an investigative journalist; and (2) he's a man and we all know how unseemly and embarrassing for men to be asking questions about women's vaginas.

Lidia17
6/27/2011 05:39:33 pm

LTA, yes, there seemed to have been stonewalling on the church fire as well; it dropped off the radar screen immediately. I know one or more PG commenters from AK tried to get some info on the progress of the investigation, but it seems that the case had just been dropped, which is pretty strange considering that they were claiming $1 million in damages (!) and that Sarah herself felt connected enough to the event to APOLOGIZE for the fire. When does Sarah ever apologize? I mean, it WAS in a way that was totally-Sarah-centric, but still…

Sarah’s crazy fire story is here:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,467527,00.html

Women and children were in there, “scrapbooking” at 1:30am?? Like all things Sarah, there’s a wtf moment in every graf.

Now, the Miller fire is certainly more tragic from a human perspective, and for that reason more deserving of a valid investigation, but it’s far more indicative of some larger Mafia-like forces that the much-higher-profile church fire sank so quickly into oblivion.


Here’s a comment I found at PG with some links:
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..by the bay 2 years ago
Wasilla Police Department investigator Ruth Josten said state crime lab tests have determined that whoever lit the fire poured gasoline in several places around the building, including by the sides of the front and back doors.
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/matsu/story/668295.html
Five church members were in the building when the blaze started.
http://www.adn.com/matsu/v-gallery/story/668295.html?/629/gallery/624370-a623347-t3.html
35,314-square-foot building
Wasilla Bible Church carries on after fire
http://www.ktuu.com/global/story.asp?S=9521504
Where is this?
http://ktuu.images.worldnow.com/images/9521504_BG4.jpg
I would like to know where the fire was set other than the front and back doors. Why was that left out?

As far as finding who did this, I could care less about an arsonist's political associations. If the fire is found to be politically motivated, deal with that when that is a fact.
All Alaskans and Wasillians MUST get serious if they want to find an arsonist in their midst.

So far, this arsonist is a winner.
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/05/reporting-sarah-palin-some-talking.html#comment-24888183
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Brad and Laura, maybe you can also take on the issue of WHY a news organization would take down links to stories?? The two links to KTUU, above, are dead. I understand things moving into archives, but if you search for “Wasilla Bible Church” on the KTUU site, the only story is from 9/5/08 on how the church had been promoting some “pray away the gay” conference. A million dollars of damage to a church, and no further or even PAST mention of it on KTUU? The event has been erased away?

Furthermore, the thread linked below indicates that locally, some fingers were pointed at “the gays” as the arsonists, as this was a month and a half after the passing of Prop. 8 in CA. Now whether this is the just baseline FOX fear and prejudice spontaneously oozing out, or whether someone intentionally propagated that story line….?
http://thechurchofgroove.com/viewtopic.php?t=15367

After 3 years of this, almost, my horror of how things are in Alaska only continues to increase.



The picture presented to you by “silver” is discussed here, along with another (intentionally?) mis-dated Xmas photo:
http://www.palindeception.com/blog/2009/05/ho-ho-ho.html

“1. In spite of rigorous efforts to locate one, not a single piece of photographic evidence exists of Bristol Palin from mid September 2007 until April 2008. This is a girl who had many friends with social networking pages. This is the daughter of the governor of Alaska, who prior to this time, had required her daughter to attend numerous "First Family" events.

“2. Photographs that do exist show a striking amount of physical change in Bristol Palin during the early months of the time when "someone" would have been pregnant with Trig.

“3. The one photograph ever released "officially" by Palin which purported to show her daughter in December of 2007 was misdated. By whom, we do not know.”

voiceinwind
6/27/2011 08:26:52 pm

Anon55, regarding dogs....

FWIW, I am alive today because of my little rat terrier. I was recuperating from surgery taking lots of pain medicine and mid afternoon I was sleepy and I wanted to take a nap. But when I went to lay down my little dog kept whining. My other dog was taking a nap in his bed. But that little one kept whining, a different whine, so I started looking around but found nothing. I did notice some kind of odor in the kitchen, an odd odor. Well, I lived in a duplex, so I walked outside both doors but saw nothing. No one was home next door. I went back inside where that little dog stayed right at my feet whining. So, I called the local utility company and told them I smelt something, maybe electrical. The guy showed up promptly and when he went into my attic, he yelled call 911 but he called before I could get to the phone. A small mattress had caught on fire in a small bedroom next door when an old fan fell on the bed and overheated. Their dog might have knocked it over, but I didn't hear that dog barking or hear any smoke alarm. The guy broke down their door and let their dog out. And smoke started rolling out of the eaves of my roof right before the fire truck showed up. No damage except to that one bedroom but a whole lot of smoke.

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I was surprised to hear that both of Dar's dogs died at the scene, but she did not. And it was my understanding that Dar did not smoke.

I read a bio somewhere that said CBJ was the president of some hospice group a few years back, so she knew Dar.

ProChoiceGrandma
6/28/2011 12:43:00 am

This is a spectacular post! Brad and Laura, I am thrilled that someone is finally asking questions about Dar Miller's death.

I am late to the party, but wanted to chime in.

I had saved all the articles about Dar Miller, including comments, but last year my computer crashed and I lost EVERYTHING! I tried to replace the information, but I cannot find the 1-6-09 article which was the first to describe the fire. I do recall specifically that the firefighters arrived at about 7:00 pm and had to break down the door. That article said the dogs were dead but Dar Miller was alive and had a strong heartbeat. Can anyone find that article on the way-back machine? I believe it was ADN, but it might have been the Frontiersman or another. Also, the obituary is no longer available online. It has to be ordered.

7:00pm is awfully early in the evening for someone to fall asleep, smoking, on a daybed in a front entryway. Dar Miller was a Hospice nurse, who would be the LAST kind of person to smoke in bed, IF she even smoked! Also, Alaska had self-extinguishing cigarettes effective 8-1-08, a bill that Sarah Palin signed in July 2007.

The location and description of the death of the dogs is what made my ears perk up! These were two CATTLE DOGS, a very smart breed! Those dogs would have been barking to alert her, and running around to get away from the heat. Commenters have tried to brush off the death of the dogs to carbon monoxide poisoning. I say bullshit. That does not explain why Dar was alive and had a strong heartbeat.

The first question to ask is whether Dar even smoked.

The comments in this thread are fantastic! Bobcat Logic, I think I have fallen in love with you! (Just kidding!) But your comment of Jun 26 @ 16:57 is spot on about the media.

I wish I had seen this post earlier. It is so hard to catch up when there are already nearly 100 comments.

LTA, your comment of Jun 27 @ 16:57 is very interesting. But keep in mind that the person who posted that comment may not have been the one who deleted it. The ADN has a reputation for deleting comments.

lilly lily
6/28/2011 01:15:33 am

On the library blocking sites.

Some of the computers, (random) block them, and others in the same library don't. Dozens of computers are there for patrons. These were in the back where teens tend to congregate.

Late that afternoon I noticed that I could acsess the blocked sites on that computer if I clicked into a small box called quota and would be allowed 10 minutes.

Very bizarre.

At another library if I went into Fire fox, a few anti Palin sites were blocked. Immoral Minority might be blocked because of its name.

And other than that, all the libraries in all our towns are very comprehensive in content and are very progressive libraries.

I haven't shown the blocked sites to the librarians or asked what is what, as I can circumvent this sort of thing easily enough. I'm not one to allow a little blocking to stop me.

None of us here allow ourselves to be strongarmed in any way.

The low vision station computer which I prefer to use at this library doesn't block any sites I visit, only random computers do. (My reading vision is getting progressively worse with age though I don't use glasses other than for reading.) Sometimes even these excellent libraries with dozens of computers are all in use, and in that eventuality time on the computers can be limited to allow everyone their opportunity to use the computers.

I commented as I was tired (lyme disease right now) and it irritated me to be thwarted in my daily exploration of all things Palin.

lilly lily
6/28/2011 01:20:56 am

As far as Dar Miller, it ranks right up there with the Church files being burned, and water in the last can of gas Curtis Menard used in his plane.

Seems things do get swept under the rug in Alaska. Happens everywhere, but seems to be a regular occurance when it happens to Palin.

Like all the vanishing photos. They get zapped pretty quickly.

rubbernecking
6/28/2011 01:38:12 am

Bloggers like Halcro and Devon were writing critical articles about Palin before her VP selection. Both are well-connected to the AK political scene. Both have broken scoops: Halcro broke Troopergate and has been an importance source on Mat-Su Dairy and the gas pipeline. Devon has been writing about Palin's warm embrace of cronyism, show-boating, and yarn-spinning since May 2008. Neither of them writes about the maternity question despite no fear of criticizing Palin on other topics, no corporate publishers to please, and no advertisers to soothe. Their readers expect a smart and witty take on politics and no regular reader would be surprised by a critical article on Palin.

I assume that: A) no credible witness has approached Halcro or Devon with the facts of the birth and/or B) Halcro or Devon may not believe the maternity issue is politically relevant.

I think the ADN bashing is counter-productive. They clearly tried to research the story. They published the editor's email exchange with Palin which revealed her unwillingness to cooperate. If the ADN couldn't find a credible source willing to go on the record about the birth facts, what do people expect them to do?

Every sub-conspiracy requires proof. Some of these sub-theories like arson are flat-out bizarre. We're asked to consider that a powerful, vindictive person may need to destroy records stored at *her own church* and that forces acting on her behalf may have chosen arson to destroy the records. The arson was severe enough to cause $1M in damage, spark a criminal investigation, and get the attention of the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. An alleged cover-up would now involve the press, local police and fire officials, the AK state crime lab, and a federal agency responsible for arson tracking. Seriously?

And the goal posts on the nurse fire conspiracy keep changing. First the proof is that there are no news articles. Ooops--there are news articles but no known cause of the fire in the articles. Ooops--there was a reported cause (with named sources!) but now we suddenly recall anonymous deleted comments that told us the nurse wasn't a smoker. The dogs survived...oops, they didn't survive...well, hmmm, isn't suspicious that non-human mammals with lungs (aka dogs) are susceptible to smoke inhalation? Let's not even discuss that the nurse's obit claims she stopped practicing neonatal nursing after moving from Oregon in 2001; that she was a hospice nurse in AK; that's there's no obvious motive to kill her; that the nurse's partner, mother, four siblings, friends, or colleagues have never made any public request to reopen the fire investigation; that people who have actually written and spoken about Palin’s misdeeds have not been arson targets. How could the MSM possibly ignore this?

Lidia17
6/28/2011 02:21:24 am

rubbernecking, you crack me up!

Anon55
6/28/2011 04:08:26 am

Sorry Rubbernecking, if you don't think Dar Miller's death bears looking into, I would say you lack critical thinking skills.

I'm not saying the death has anything to do with the Palins -- there is no evidence that it does -- but something sounds askew enough that it bears investigation. The death may have something to do with the high rates of illicit use of painkillers in the Mat-Su Valley and it could have been a drug dealer hit. As a hospice nurse, Dar would have had easy access to very powerful narcotics. (I know that for a fact -- having cared for someone dying of cancer, the hospice nurses dropped off narcotics that were many times more powerful than heroin and I personally administered them, so I know a little about hospice and drugs).

Perhaps the only connection to the Palins is that Dar was Track's drug connection. But something about this death doesn't add up.

Since the ADN doesn't want to investigate Palin, maybe they should do a piece about drug abuse in Mat-Su Valley. (Oops that would have to touch upon a Palin, since a well-researched article might touch up the fact that drug use is so prevalent in Mat-Su that even a Governor's kid was part of it).

rubbernecking
6/28/2011 04:35:48 am

And those dang goal posts have wandered off again. Now it's drug trafficking!

Thanks for the pointer on critical thinking skills.

lilly lily
6/28/2011 05:08:34 am

Who knows what is what.

On the thread above this one with photos someone saw something I didn't notice, and while it is unimportant it still shows that someone looking can spot something that someone else misses.

It seems to be Piper holding up two fingers in back of Willow head, Willow who is holding a baby. Bunny ears, a V for vicory? Who knows for sure, but someone sees something the rest of us missed and didn't see till they mentioned it.

Also trying to figure out the dating on the photos.

I've been a member of Think Tanks, and that is how it works. One idea sparks off another.

Laura Novak link
6/28/2011 05:29:10 am

I agree Lilly Lily, it's all about investigating ideas together. Silver's work was worth a look and a discussion.

Rubbernecking, I respectfully disagree about the ADN. When the story assignment (and I think it was a good one) is: "the rumors and hoax won't die, find out why" then that's what gets reported on. You don't pull back b/c the subject of the story won't cooperate. You REPORT that the subject of the story won't cooperate.

If you're doing a story on the Obama birther conspiracy, and why the theories won't die, and the Obama administration won't cooperate or issue a statement, you report that. No one bailed on that story b/c a party to it didn't want to discuss it.

What's worse, it wasn't the top editor's job to sooth the subject of his inquiry and story by telling her that FWIW, he believes her. That was as hackneyed as they come. It was an embarrassment to the profession and a spineless thing to say.

If they didn't cooperate, then report it. But then to turn around and say: actually, we know it's true, but we can't talk about that either?????

Their work on this, their attitudes toward this story were and are a disgrace. I agree with my source: they backed themselves into an OTR agreement that makes them look bad in the end.

lilly lily
6/28/2011 06:08:15 am

Exactly.

Out of 100 ideas or suggestions or theories, perhaps 1 will pan out.

But that One which is THE KEY to the puzzle that could unlock the secret of this hoax is enough.

Ivyfree
6/28/2011 06:14:45 am

I've always wondered about the dogs in the Dar Miller story. I've had dogs for years, and my dogs, like Dar's, are indoor dogs... I don't believe they wouldn't try to attract her attention if they smelled smoke.

I can offer the evidence of a small terrier mix who never, EVER got on our bed. (At the time it was a waterbed and she didn't like the unsteadiness.) Nevertheless, on FOUR SEPARATE OCCASIONS, when my husband, a diabetic adjusting to a new insulin pump, went into a hypoglycemic coma- slipping silently from sleep into coma- this dog jumped up on the bed and pawed at me until I woke up. FOUR TIMES. On those occasions I, an experienced nurse, recognized my husband as so deeply unconscious- on one occasion, even with cheyne-stokes respirations- I had to call 911 for an aid car.

Nobody taught little Lady to do this. She just realized something was wrong and Mama better fix it. Oddly, she wouldn't do it during the day; evidently, she considered that my shift. But at night? My husband owes his life to that little dog.

So Dar had two dogs. They would have been sleeping in the house, in a dog bed (on the floor) or on her bed (at her level). They tell you to crawl on the floor on a fire to avoid smoke fumes. Her dogs should have been LESS susceptible to the smoke. And if they were on her bed, they would have been on her level, and SHE was breathing. So would they have been.

I wonder if anyone did a post on those dogs. I wonder if anyone looked for poison. I can't explain the dogs' behavior, otherwise.

Brad Scharlott
6/28/2011 08:15:24 am

@Rubbernecking: You're blustering and exaggerating.

Anon55
6/28/2011 09:11:32 am

@ Ivyfree. Yes, I'm thinking the dogs were poisoned as well.

Again, I'm not saying it's Palin related, but I think Dar may have had some enemies. Sounds like a classic criminal hit. If I were a newspaper reporter in Alaska, I would be interested in the case irrespective of the Palins since it is so odd and since drug abuse is such a huge problem in the Mat-Su Valley.

@ Rubbernecking. Typical, "nothing to see here, let's move along." Let me guess Rubbernecking is Pat Dougherty's alias.

rubbernecking
6/28/2011 10:06:46 am

Laura, Brad, I don't want to be toxic. I'm honestly sympathetic to the ADN editor. I'm not a journalist and I don't have experience coaxing sources to participate in stories. I've read enough news stories where it appears a politician has shutout a media outlet for a minor offense. From my limited view, it looks like there are conflicts between getting the story and keeping your access for the next one (michael hastings?). And if the ADN decided that "she won't cooperate" story wasn't worth the risk of losing access on future political stories, I confess I might have made the same morally flawed decision in 2009.

I also honestly believe some reasonable people might reach different conclusions on the private-public nature of this inquiry. Maybe even a few folks at ADN?

If my complaints about arson were blustery, I apologize. Sometimes it feels that if an unsourced, anonymous claim is repeated enough times it becomes accepted wisdom. It feels like pushing back is the right thing to do but I keep making folks unhappy.

Laura Novak link
6/28/2011 10:11:40 am

No, I agree with you, Rubbernecking, that repeated claims DO unfortunately become truth, which is why I contacted Pat Dougherty in the first place about the lawyer comment.

I see over and over comments about certain aspects of Ds babies that I thought my two pediatric specialists had debunked. But sometimes things have legs, and no matter what we try, those legs (rumors) keep running.

The push back is fine with me. We can't all agree and see the same sides as one another. And calling for standards is important.

I remain more skeptical about the ADN and their process. But I hear what you are saying.

Thanks for weighing in.

Janice Soderquist
7/12/2011 01:52:19 am

Does Levi have a fishing lure attached to his hat? Have you seen any other pictures of him wearing this tee shirt with these initials? Look for this hat in other pictures of him.

Janice Soderquist
7/12/2011 02:03:45 am

http://igossip.com/gossip/Photo_from_Levi_Johnstons_Sister_To_Do_Playboy/1422020

Is this the same hat he is wearing in the hospital? I thought he was wearing a lure on his hate, duh... it was the back of his hat, sorry.
How many of this type of hat can he have.
I found this hat in Mercedes and Levi family pictures search.

Janice Soderquist
7/12/2011 02:10:29 am

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/gallery/levi-johnston-shirtless/

Look at all the pictures in this article. The picture you show of Levi in the army hat has blond streaks and is curly coming out of the hat and ears. All thesw pictures on this site is with short, strickly brown wearing the same type hat. No long, curly, streaked hair coming from his ears. He is holding a baby, supposedly his, with short dark hair.

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