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Sarah Palin and The Professor: A Conversation, Part 4

4/26/2011

 
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The first time I bathed my son. One week old. Neonatal Intensive care. His bulletin board in the background.


The French were right:  The more things change, the more they stay the same. The “Spiral of Silence” that Professor Brad Scharlott wrote about in this draft of an academic paper examining the media and the Sarah Palin birth rumors, has begun to spiral again. Only it’s downward, and it’s not pretty.

This time, the media is not so much debunking the rumors and laying them to rest. Instead it is turning in on itself with outlets out-arguing and out-shaming themselves. Bloggers pressing for answers. Reporters turning on bloggers. Just when Professor Scharlott and I think we can forge ahead with our conversation about the actions of major news outlets in 2008, reports came out last week that reporters quaking in their shoes once saw the then governor’s pregnant belly.

The formidableAndrew Sullivan has weighed in on this new evidence. The incomparable Joe McGinnisshas as well. Both linked to my earlier interview with a specialist in the field of pediatrics (read the interview and figure out what he does. It’s not that hard. And they don’t get any more specialized than him.) I appreciate their guts and due diligence.

The immortal Immoral Minority’s Gryphen says the story still stinks like foul fish and I have to agree. So, Brad, let’s talk shop:


LN:  “Make it stop,” cried one reporter who now says she thought the governor was pregnant, in part because her friends in another city saw Mrs. Palin sweating on a treadmill. And that’s what I say now because I’ve just read about a reporter swearing he shooed people out of her office and then begged her not to get mad at him. Tell me I am dreaming.

BS:  You’re not dreaming. Well, that reporter is Wesley Loy, the one I praised in our last edition as having “a lot of guts” for writing in March 2008 that Palin “simply does not look pregnant.” The scene you describe above comes from his recovered memory, three years after the fact, in which Palin seemingly convinced him she was with child. So if a hard-nosed, call-it-like-it-is guy like Loy suggests he thought she was really preggers, that seals the deal, right?

But wait. I wrote to Juneau newsman Gregg Erickson in September 2008 asking about the alleged hoax. He wrote back that in the summer of 2008, he and his wife had offices next to Loy’s, and that they “especially enjoyed Wesley's accounts of his pursuit the ‘Grandma Governor fakes birth’ story.”

Huh? If Palin, by lifting her shirt and revealing her fabric-covered belly, convinced Loy sometime that spring that there was no hoax, why was he investigating the hoax that summer? After Loy took a buyout from the Anchorage Daily News, I understand he became a freelancer and a blogger. 

And Julia O’Malley, still with the Anchorage Daily News, wrote the “Make.It.Stop.” story, in which she virtually called me an idiot. Indeed, everything coming out of the Daily News these days seems to have a strong pro-Palin spin. These are tough times, especially for newspapers, and the Daily News gets over half a million dollars a year from the state of Alaska for advertising and other services. And while Palin is no longer the governor, many of her friends, whom she put in high-level state positions, are still around.

So could the Palin crowd be orchestrating something like reporters’ recovered memories and attack-dog articles? Does a polar bear eat moose in the woods? I simply don’t know.

LN:  I am stuck on this fact that a reporter is saying he actually apologized to Mrs. Palin behind closed doors asking her to not get mad at him, before she lifted her shirt to prove she was pregnant. Scrape me off the floor because not only can I not fathom a reporter ever doing this, I’d be too ashamed to ever admit it. And no matter what the truth in this whole ordeal, she had him right there. He was mincemeat. Am I right?

BS: I’ve never been a woman, but a couple of folks posting at blog sites have said that the above scenario sounds like a woman wrote it. I don’t know the first thing about Loy – maybe he is good at getting in touch with his feminine side. But my reaction as a journalist is like yours – it seems like a very strange scene.

But I don’t want to seem snarky. Palin was the governor. And she was also beautiful and charismatic. To be honest, I have no idea how I would have reacted when I was a young reporter faced with a situation like that – but I might have been every bit as deferential. I’m guessing the scene happened exactly as Loy described it, and he was just overawed by her presence. Loy should just be thankful it wasn’t her gender that was being questioned.

BS: Your turn Laura. Can you picture a circumstance where you would write a “Make.It.Stop.” piece like O’Malley’s, effectively telling journalists that further investigation of a potential presidential candidate should be off-limits, because you absolutely know the truth and have revealed it?

LN:  Never. Yawn. Next question.

Seriously. Years ago, I worked with a very famous TV journalist in London and New York. Every time I went in to his office, he had his hands in his pants. Deep down. Fiddling with his shirt, I suppose, if I want to be charitable. Things like that happened often in the news business to young women. The sexism was rampant. So, had there been a weird story then that the man had no private parts, say, would I have said that no, that I was pretty sure there was something there to fiddle with? I’m sure I would have been discreet had that question been raised (he was a notorious philanderer.) Later, if someone asked, would I change my story about his fiddling with his pants and with other women? No. I experienced what I experienced. I wouldn’t adapt the story to fit the current agenda.

Same goes for my experience with Rush Limbaugh. We worked at the same all-news station in Sacramento. My experience was that he was a gentleman. He was always nice to me and had a good sense of humor. He’d often invite me on his show to debate issues. He called me a "flaming lib in the newsroom!" All these years later, with all that’s been said about him, would I change my story just because I disagree with his politics? No. I experienced Rush the way I did. It’s bogus to adapt to the current discussion rather than hold to our original truth.

BS: Joe McGinniss recently asked this in his blog: “Is it purely coincidence that so many are suddenly so intent on insisting that there are no legitimate questions to be asked?” What’s your answer?

LN:  One must tread carefully, Obi Wan. Influence talks. Absolute influence talks absolutely. If reporters reported the story correctly, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

Remember what you just said:  Young reporters are more timid. They can be overwhelmed by the power brokers. I would probably have been as well, though to be honest, I overcame a lot of fear by compensating with fierce reporting. I could just get in their face!

But I want to point out one more thing.  Powerful people have media people. Those media people do not, I repeat, do NOT leave the room because a green reporter tells them to. (again, scrape me off the floor). I’ve had them place their tape recorders next to mine for the interview. I’ve had them try to redirect the conversation. I’ve even had them sit directly behind me and click, click, click away on their laptops to log the entire interview, almost as if in an attempt to unnerve me! I’ve been pressured, leaned on, harassed, schmoozed and offered bribes.

Brad, anything is possible. Anything. 

vg
4/26/2011 07:05:26 am

The whole thing is extremely peculiar. Everything could have been stopped by the release of Trig's birth certificate back in 2008 (not that I would accept that as sufficient evidence now). Even the ADN tried, via their reporter Lisa Demer, to pursue that and was apparently insulted and castigated and refused.

So - why are the reporters refusing to ask questions? I don't think it's just squeamishness - I think it has to be power. Why are they all so offended by the question?

And I will say that it is interesting that no one reliable (Loy doesn't sound reliable) - save CBJ, and I can imagine her being pressured - has come forward to completely confirm or to completely deny SP's pregnancy. My opinion is that it's more probable that it was a hoax - and not because of the wild ride, but because of many other factors.

I hope the truth comes out some day! Reminds me of Russia's last duchess (which proved to be a hoax).

Laura Novak link
4/26/2011 07:11:27 am

Yes, VG! Having read a lot about Anastasia and Anna Anderson, I agree. And I also recall that the story was SO believable, right down to the photos!! It took years of authors sleuthing out the story for the truth to come out. That, and some DNA testing, as I recall!

EatWildFish
4/26/2011 07:23:04 am

Wesley Loy is NOT a young, easily intimidated reporter. He is in his 50s and has been a reporter for about 3 decades.

I have known him professionally for years and can tell you he knows very little about women, let alone correctly identifying a 'pregnant' one.

I am appalled to think Wes would ask $arah 'not to be mad at me.' He now writes for the Petroleum News - I wonder if he worries about big wigs in the oil industry 'getting mad' if he poses tough questions. I have lost all respect for him and his selective memory.

Laura Novak link
4/26/2011 07:24:19 am

Thanks for your perspective, EWF. I agree. It's worse to admit it, me thinks.

vg
4/26/2011 07:26:52 am

If something is too good to be true, it probably isn't. I've been listening today to a discussion about Bernie Madoff, and his hoax. Then we're all aware of the non-existent WMD in Iraq. And how long it took for people to realize that the real estate bubble was a bubble.

Sometimes I feel like an anti-lemming. But even the lemmings never ran off cliffs - at least not voluntarily - but were tossed off cliffs by Walt Disney for the sake of their Academy Award winning documentary "White Wilderness."

We should realize that deception by the ruling classes - be it royal, corporate, or religious - has been going on for millennia. Congratulations to you and to Professor Scharlott for seeking the truth (a very lonely business).

CA Guy
4/26/2011 07:54:43 am

Fantastic bit of work this. Reasoned, without agenda.

Here's the nickle question for the day. What does it take to get the ...oh I can't resist... Lamestream media.... to take up this controversy? I'm not talking tv, we know anything more complicated than a zipper baffles them. I mean, the New Yorker, the NYT, NYRB, a McClatchy paper. This really does cry out for a Seymour Hersh final word.

My agenda:

The mere fact that John McCain felt that this woman was qualified to be a heartbeat away from the leadership of the nation makes this one of the most important stories of our time. The fact that one of our two parties thinks people with this kind of mind-set, this moral temper are fit to lead is what scares the crap out of me.

Susan
4/26/2011 07:57:25 am

The red flag for me is that this scenario was reported by TWO reporters, right? Plain lifted her shirt for two reporters. Who would do that? This woman is absolutely mentally ill.

Laura Novak link
4/26/2011 08:19:07 am

I don' t know, CA Guy. As I said in an earlier post, I broached the subject with one of my editors at the NYT's and never heard back.

And Susan, you make a great point! Yes, suddenly two people recall her lifting her shirt. The story just gets stranger and stranger.

Thank you both for reading and weighing in.

curiouser
4/26/2011 09:23:59 am

Great conversation!

The 'Grandma Gov fakes birth' story is a gem! Well done, Prof Scharlott! Salon’s attempt to use the peek-a-boo stories to shut down further questioning is an epic fail.

Sarah's the woman who got the Anchorage Police Department to issue a false and misleading statement to cover Todd's indiscretion. I have no question that she could be pulling strings to rewrite history using a few reporters.

But there's more going on here. The media is complicit or they wouldn’t buy off on such weak ‘evidence’. It looks to me like they (Salon, Slate, Politico, Huffington Post, Roger Ebert[sigh...major disappointment]) desperately want Sarah to run in 2012 and are afraid the truth will spoil their fun.

DebinOH
4/26/2011 09:58:59 am

All I can say about these two reporters is 1) it is odd that it would take them this long to report this information because after all this has been going on for a long time 2) even if she did lift her shirt who in god's name would admit it - it just seems so bizarre.

I forgot, we are talking about Sarah Palin I can hardly wait to see what comes up next. Heck, I can't even tell you anymore what I think is the weirdest thing about this entire story.

ACaryGrantFan link
4/26/2011 10:45:12 am

Laura,
I admire you and Brad for continuing this discussion however I'm starting to get 'babygate' fatigue! I say that because I've kept up with the research on Sarah's wild ride, examined the photos, read every new blog article related to the bizarre circumstances surrounding Trig's birth but I have doubts that it will ever hit the MSM media and be covered with any seriousness.

As I mentioned previously, I've worked as an RN for several years and attended many high risk deliveries so my experience and my logic tells me Palin did not give birth to Trig!

As strongly as I believe this I also know that unless someone very close to Palin comes forward that the books coming out by McGinniss, Bailey and Dunn won't change minds because so much has been written about Trigs birth recently and all articles have faced such scrutiny and been regarded has Liberal conspiracy theories to slander Palin. (I'm in no way disregarding the authors I mentioned because I admire them and know their books will delve into Palin, exposing things we can only imagine about her makeup.)

There are so many things that Palin has been involved in while representing the state of AK that deserve a closer look and investigation, fraudulent things that anyone willing to research them would have our ears and eyes and no doubt the MSM's attention. Start with the Wasilla Sports Arena and follow the money, materials to Palin and her private residence. Look into her cabin out in the middle of nowhere in AK that she avoided paying taxes on. Things that should be investigated because Palin conducted herself criminally and unethically while holding public office.

As much as I would like the truth to come out regarding Trig's birth I have come to realize that may never happen but Palin can be exposed for the con she is. Theres a vast amount of shadiness that starts in Palin's lap that I've wanted to see exposed.

With everything being about the wild ride 24/7 I'm afraid that it takes away from focusing on her illegal dealings that need to be investigated.

Take a look around at Politicalgates, Palingates and the Immoral Majority when you get time and you'll find some very interesting and unethical activity surrounding Esther.

Thanks for your time and for putting so much work into this piece. The personal stories you've shared regarding your own pregnancy have been both heartwarming and inspirational.
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FrostyAK
4/26/2011 12:52:57 pm

The idea that the power (corporations) behind the present day MSM (propaganda machine) is the root cause of the hands off attitude seems most plausible.

But the question then becomes "Why?". Exactly what do they have invested in the brain-dead (excuse me, I should be PC - the cranially void) $palin that they must keep the spiral of silence around the birth of Trig intact? Is it just embarrassment, or something much more? A malleable puppet?

So many questions...

An Alaskan
4/26/2011 10:57:25 pm

LOL, Wes Loy was NEVER a young reporter. I'm convinced he had vinegar in his veins and as one of the only women involved in Fish & Game issues as a Subsistence advocate - I would be loathe to try and charm my way into a good write-up by him.

I was young, he wasn't. He was intimidating. Even with Sarah being used to being considered hot shit, had a lot of nerve to twinkle her eye at him and lift her shift.

Creepy scenario all around.

Laura Novak link
4/27/2011 01:44:56 am

Thank you, An Alaskan, for weighing from up close. One should always use caution when judging another journalist, but the entire "shirt" scenario is so incredibly weird, so unprofessional, it begs further questions. The spiral of silence now seems to be a spiral of insanity!

Deb in Ohio, I agree: what part of this is now the weirdest? How can it get any weirder? Sullivan, whose work I admire, has asked but the simplest question: prove it! And yet every time they say they offer "proof" it's mired in some absurd story.

So, Frosty AK, you may be right: it's more involved than just a cranially void woman making sloppy excuses about a birth story. As I said, I've never med a powerful person or executive whose media relations person leaves the room when a reporter is around. Just doesn't happen.

And Cary Grant Fan, hang in there. Attrition is what obfuscators depend on.

Thank you all for reading. Another post going up now!

Punkinbugg
4/27/2011 04:32:19 pm

"I've never me(t) a powerful person or executive whose media relations person leaves the room when a reporter is around. Just doesn't happen." See? An expert like you hears that and calls B.S. My ears didn't catch it.

I'm a mom, in the corporate travel profession, in the Dallas area, and when I heard the story of the Wild Ride...? I called total B.S.

No way. Absolutely. No. way.

The Tim Channel link
4/27/2011 05:02:22 pm

The thing that makes this story have legs is simple. She is on record as having said she released the birth certificate and she hasn't.

The fact that she could easily kneecap all those lamestream lefties and make herself the perfect (living) martyr for Right Wing Christian Feminism (garf) but doesn't, is telling.

I'm waiting for her to invoke Trig's right to privacy next. (rolleyes) She has to move on to a new level of absurdity soon. because with "Obie's Long Johns" hanging out all over the net, the 'birth certificate' issue is getting a lot of scrutiny.

Enjoy.

Laura Novak link
4/29/2011 05:48:04 am

Punkinbugg: corporate people of all stripes know about media relations people. No one speaks to reporters on the record w/t the public relations dept. in control.

And Tim Channel: I like how you cut to the chase about the WHY NOT question. Why not just quash this. Victimhood might be one compelling reason. Or there may be others. How will we ever know?


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