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Sarah Palin With A Penis

9/15/2011

 
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BS: Laura, what better place to start our interview about your book than with the phrase “Sarah Palin with a penis!” Wow! The floor is all yours!

LN: That is actually my favorite sentence in my novel!  I have a pivotal character that speaks in word salad much of the time. He is in over his head in many situations and resorts to talking in scrambled sentences and with a loftier tone than the occasion requires. So, my protagonist, Clari Drake, at one point narrates that he is “Sarah Palin with a penis. I could have told anyone that.” I cracked myself up with that one.

BS: Congratulations on the publication of your novel on Amazon Kindle. I found it to be a great read, full of laughs and suspense and compelling characters. You are racking up fabulous Five Star REVIEWS on Amazon with heaps of praise and enthusiasm for your book. It is a very impressive debut for you in the world of fiction. How exciting is this?

LN: You have no idea! Or maybe as a writer and PhD who has published lengthy articles, you do understand. But I am very, very excited to be on Kindle. My book has wide appeal, especially to this blog community. 

BS: Let’s talk about Finding Clarity. There is much that reminds me of our own struggle to “out” Sarah Palin over the past 3 years. Am I imagining that?

LN: Not at all. The last three years of work on Finding Clarity dovetailed with my following the blogs and the turmoil surrounding Palin. Coincidently, I had already crafted a plot with these basic themes:  you can’t always trust people in power to do the right thing; people are not always who they pretend to be. I also like the idea that life is full of quirky people who sometimes follow false leads and suffer slow starts but are determined to right wrongs and see the truth prevail. That reminds me a lot of our blogging community.

BS: The long title is fascinating:  A Mom, A Dwarf and a Posh Private School in the People’s Republic of Berkeley. It’s really what made me want to read the book. But subtitles aren’t common in fiction. How did you decide on that?

LN: This book is about a fish-out-of-water woman, coming of age in her 40’s, who decides to try and become the hot-shot reporter she once was. With a rag tag posse, she sleuths out the wrongs and tries to make them right at her son’s posh private school in Berkeley, where the elite, who in theory aren’t supposed to exist, are up to no good. Those factors are worth teasing on the cover of the book.

BS: Clari Drake suspects that the wealthy power brokers running her son’s little corner of Berkeley are going to destroy the world she loves to hate. Financial malfeasance, dubious hiring choices, ill timed firing of a beloved employee…Clari’s all over it. With her odd, misfit friends, she goes for broke trying to reveal the truth and bust the bad guys. You’re right, this sounds so familiar!

LN: Right on! It truly is as if I wrote a book about me and you and the many commenters here and at the other blogs who have been walking into a head wind for 3 years, digging into documents, listening in on conversations, observing liars and cheats. It’s in my blood to love a story that stinks and want to dig like a dog for a bone until I can figure out the truth. Clari Drake is no different.

BS: A major theme of the book, as you said, is that people aren’t always who they appear to be. And things aren’t always as they seem. Again, it sounds like Palin land to me.

LN: You’re absolutely right. There are so many similarities to what we’ve been doing on these blogs and what goes on in Berkeley in my book. Some people honestly aren’t yet sure who they are in this life, or what they are supposed to be. Others live lies and will do anything to mask the truth. Sarah Palin is a metaphor for all of that.

BS: You’ve spent your career as a journalist – that is, a writer of nonfiction. How difficult was it for you to switch gears and start creating stories instead of reporting them?

LN: It is the antithesis of my training, you’re right. How great it is to be able to make stuff up (much to Mrs. Palin’s chagrin.) There is real freedom to writing fiction. You don’t think the priest would really have said that to Clari? Well, I do. You don’t think the Board of Trustee meeting would have gone quite like that? Hang in there, and see how it all plays out. Unlike in real life, I don’t have to be fair to these characters. I have to breath life into them. There’s a big difference.

BS: But did you like your characters? I found them so loveable and complicated. Even Dick DeNutti, bad guy extraordinaire. Only it gets much more complex than that doesn’t it?

LN: When I finished the final draft, I said to a friend, “Wow, I miss them all.” I had spent so many years with these characters, getting inside their heads, dressing them in their various wardrobes, knowing what they stare at when they are in bed or how they hold their fork. They became real to me and I liked them all. Even the ones I hated!

BS: In real life, we know that people really are composites. No one is any one way all the time. Are these characters representative of people you know? In particular, how much of Clari Drake is you?

LN: The characters are total creations in terms of their personalities and actions. As far as appearances go, one looks a little like an old boyfriend. Elspeth Waldron is fashioned after my 7th grade English teacher who was a state teacher of the year and the most wonderful woman who really encouraged and channeled my energy and abilities. The Goth is drawn from someone I once sat next to on a train. I wanted to create a story for that person. Really, no one is any one person I know. But the science book incident in the beginning? That really happened. I still see her at the grocery store.

BS: And Clari? She’s the star of the show. The super sleuth who goes on to be in other mysteries. Does she remind you of anyone?

LN: Clari and I both passionately love our families. We are devoted mothers, wives, school moms, and volunteers. We hate bullshit and phonies. We seek the truth and want things to be right. And we’ve both made mistakes in our lives. I only wish I had her sass and ability to say what I am really thinking! And we both grapple with trying to accept that we are decidedly mushier, more fragile women than we were as young reporters in our 20s and 30s.

BS: And related to that, how much of the novel is based on stuff that really happened? Is your son, really a dwarf?

LN: No, my son does not have achondroplasia. But I once worked with an editor whose child was a little person. The mother was one of the nastiest woman I’ve ever worked with. A truly disagreeable person. I wanted to re-write that story and make her loving and loveable. I also want to show Zach as a big person in a little body. His beauty shines from the inside out. My son, on the other hand, had serious medical complications inside his body, but looked perfect on the outside. I decided to play those two themes off one another with the understanding that any mother, no matter who she is as a person, suffers tremendously when her child is suffering.

BS: You also touch on all the hot topics of the day:  gender, race, and religion. You weren’t afraid to go there.

LN: Gay issues, racial slurs…the horrible things people say and think are all over this book. It is important to me to highlight the ignorance that I see even among the wealthy. Just because people are progressive or elite doesn’t always mean they are always right or proper. Clari sees through them and does her best to undermine their ignorance.

BS: Your characters are so colorful! They jumped off the page. How did you do that?

LN: I saw them so clearly. Sydney is Queen Latifah hands down. Her voice, stature, movements were in my head the entire time I wrote. Same for Dick DeNutti. He’s James Gandolfini. I wrote that part entirely with his voice and mannerisms in mind.

BS: What’s up next for Clari Drake?

LN: Well if her writer could sit still in the chair and keep writing…I have about 100 pages of Murder at the Mailbox already written, and the rest of the story mapped out on a huge board. All the characters are color-coded and the plot is pretty much worked out. Question is, how much of that first draft do I want to keep and how soon can I get to work on it! What time is it anyway?

BS: Again, I’m very excited for you, Clari Drake and all the crazy characters at the Bidwell-Coggin school in Berkeley. I hope everyone here will buy a copy HERE and spread the word to their own social network. Independent authors like you need the word to go viral. And anyone who has enjoyed dissecting the Sarah Palin birth story, will love to see how Clari Drake finds clarity, and hilarity, in Berkeley, the city everyone loves to laugh at.

LN: Thanks so much, Brad, for inviting me to talk about Finding Clarity. I’m so glad you liked the book and laughed out loud. It’s meant to be a fun ride.

BS: And the ending? It blew me away. Never saw it coming. And that alone is worth the price of admission. 

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DebinOH
9/15/2011 11:14:23 am

Laura, I have your book on my short list. At the moment I think I am going to have to read Joe's book first. Don't worry I read super fast and should be done with it in two nights;) I hope to read your book next weekend.

You should see my Kindle. I have at least 150 books to read! My husband got me a Kindle for Christmas so I could read again due to my crappy eyes. After looking at a computer all day I can't even read a magazine in the evening.

I used to read all the time & really missed it. I read over 100 books the first three months after receiving it. Since then I have only read the SP books. Blame it on all these blogs!!!!!

Again, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!

curiouser
9/15/2011 11:46:27 am

That does it. You've made me want to read 'Finding Clarity' again...this time on Kindle.

I, too, adored all the characters and I loved that the ending, even though it was a surprise, was consistent with the well-developed plot. I mentioned before that the quirky, complex characters and situations, private school setting, social issues reminded me of my favorite author, John Irving, while still being completely unique. Thankfully, Clari's life wasn't darkened by the type of bizarre tragedies that appear in many (most?) Irving novels.

It's fascinating for me to read about the writing process. I can't wait for the next installment.

Thanks, Laura and Brad!

Viola-Alex
9/15/2011 12:03:23 pm

I'm with curiouser. Now that I have Kindle downloaded [free] on my laptop, I may have to reread Clarity on Kindle.

Above all, thanks for a respite from Palinondria, which is the disease I'm developing. It was exhilerating to hear your banter about one woman's REAL accomplishment and creation.

Brad Scharlott
9/15/2011 12:46:18 pm

Murder at the Mailbox is next -- so, does someone go postal? Is it based on a real murder that people you know committed? What kind of research are you doing? Hanging out at the neighborhood post office?

Rationalist
9/15/2011 02:24:40 pm

I don't have a Kindle, but when I put the Scribd website up on my iPad, it's almost like a Kindle!

It's next in my cue.

V ictoria link
9/15/2011 02:31:26 pm

I have read it and I can say that I really enjoyed it. And, for all of us who are into figuring out puzzles - and I admit that's why I enjoy the Palin - diving into Clari Drake is a chance to get some virtual gratification.

How far along is the next book?

granny j link
9/15/2011 11:11:44 pm

I laughed out loud at the Sarah Palin with a penis line- It was like a little inside joke to those of us who have followed this story for so long. I was also blown away by the ending- it was perfect. It touched a chord deep inside of me. I can't read this right now- I am sitting on a sandbox in someone's yard- trying to get on the internet- but am leaving the page open to read back at home. I LOVED Finding Clarity. I loved Clari. I will come back to take part in the discussion as soon as I am able.

Laura Novak
9/16/2011 12:30:11 am

Thank you all! I'm thrilled that those of you who have read it loved it, and those who have downloaded it, I so appreciate your support.

I changed a few words for the Kindle version b/c I think they work better. So I prefer people read that. But in any form, I am grateful for your enthusiasm.

Yes, there are inside jokes for those of us who have followed Sarah's word salady stuff.

And Murder at the Mailbox is also, too fiction. But something gave me the idea for it. And no, it's got to be more discreet than someone going postal. LOL, Brad!!

I'm a fair way through it. But might tear it up and start again. Not sure.

At any rate, please share FC with your social network. It's a labor of love, to be sure. And John Irving? That's a compliment for all times!! thank you!!

jeff
9/16/2011 12:54:43 am


Sigh. My favorite (minor) character--Suki-- always seems to be left out of the reviews. I guess theSuki is one of my faves is that a couple of buds and I met a nice gal who was also named Suki in a club called Big Daddy's down in the French Quarter during Mardi Gras in NOLA in the mid-80's. Her last name was Yoo, and she had that, um, Geisha girl look according to my friend Russ. To be honest, Dave and I were of the mindset that her name was probably Alvin and that she wasn't a she to begin with. Upon further examination, we were proven to be right, and Russ is forever compromised. For years afterward, whenever Dave and I might be tight on cash whenever the bar tab was delivered for us three, all we'd have to do is recite some of Russ' more memorable quotes from earlier in the evening--- "SHE's a great kisser!" or "She can't keep her hands off of me." --- Russ would then volunteer to clear the tab if we would change the subject.

jeff
9/16/2011 01:01:19 am


I had typed the prior comment but was in process of editing (changing names in order to protect the guilty), but it submitted itself for some reason.

Dammit, now my free drinks for life are at risk.

Viola-Alex
9/16/2011 02:22:52 am

I never even noticed the Palin references! Too immersed, I guess, in the plot, characters, place-- and propelled along by the great mystery. Getting to know your heroine detective Clari also increased my enjoyment of your blog, Laura, since there is a fun symbiosis in reading your fiction and hearing your voice here. (The exact OPPOSITE happened when I visited Joe's blog!)

Conscious at last!
9/16/2011 02:39:25 am

O/T -- re: Dar Miller

Former NICU nurse + Hospice nurse = a nurse who is able to care for a very sick and possibly dying baby

Conscious at last!
9/16/2011 02:43:25 am

... and perhaps, just perhaps, the end of Dar Miller's life follows shortly after the end of the life of a sick and fragile baby???

Tom link
9/16/2011 02:55:47 am

Regardless of the possible connection to SP I don't enjoy reading posts about the possible death of a baby. Someone in the last thread gave a name to an infant who had died and I was uncomfortable reading that. I just don't think it's necessary to speculate about such things on a message board. I'd rather just suppose that any of the infants relative to SP are healthy and thriving.

As they say, just sayin'.

Conscious at last!
9/16/2011 03:14:29 am

...and perhaps, just perhaps, that sick and fragile baby was born on December 28, 2007. This may explain why Tripp was "reported" to be born on December 28, 2008.

Viola-Alex
9/16/2011 03:27:52 am

Sure glad I read CLARI before the media hit it. Business Insider has the 12 most shocking allegations from McG's ROGUE. Oddly, I found #12 the most disturbing, and given that Ailes is the source, it must be fact.

http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-joe-mcginniss-glen-rice-rogue-2011-9

I guess I won't buy the book now.

Karen
9/16/2011 05:33:59 am

Brad,
I hear you've been very busy with a certain "Wanted" poster:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/65089616/10-000-reward-poster

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/
Professor Scharlott offers a $10,000 reward for PROOF that Sarah Palin gave birth to Trig Paxson Van Palin.

I notice you didn't offer the reward for absolute proof she did not produce Trig from her own loins. ... Probably the safest $10,000 bet you've ever made.

jeff
9/16/2011 05:39:00 am


I missed this WANTED Poster WHEN I was in the post office earlier.

http://htmlimg3.scribdassets.com/9d595h9gn414igl6/images/1-ab71c7f313.jpg

KMR
9/16/2011 05:52:27 am

Dec. 28th to Jan. 6th - when Dar Miller died. The time seems just right. Makes sense to me Conscious at last.

Lumihiutale
9/16/2011 06:03:09 am

Long-time reader, first time commenter. Thank you for releasing Finding Clarity on Kindle! I purchased the Scribd version (happy to support), but since it's not available on Android, I've not been able properly enjoy it. I now have the Kindle version and plans for the weekend. Woot!

CA GUY
9/16/2011 07:18:50 am

So there I was on Amazon buying Joe's book and I had a moment of Clarity ! Why not get both !! So now, Kindled and ready to start a fire. Joe or Laura?, Joe or Laura?, Joe or Laura? Which one first?

I've decided to Find Clarity first: it will clear my head. But maybe just a peek at chapter 19.

Like the commentary and discussions here? Especially without pain-in-the-ass ads or pop-ups? Buy the book and support her !

Brad Scharlott
9/16/2011 08:06:36 am

How's this for the title of a book:

Finding Insanity: A Bat-Shit Crazy Mom, A Ruffled Ear Baby, & A Posh Private Insane Asylum in the Frigid Republic of Berserkaska?

Conscious at last!
9/16/2011 08:26:12 am

This was posted on IM today by our friend
Curiouser:


curiouser said...
What if Joe McGinniss could round up some of his anonymous sources for a news conference or one of his interviews? Perhaps the intimidation they feel about going public would disappear if they were part of a crowd.

On another note related to McGinniss' sources. Debbie Bitney knows if Trig has a birth certificate and whether the information on it jives with the public story of his birth.

10:42 AM

So, Curiouser, can you expand on this--
why do you think Debbie Bitney has this information?

Why do you suggest that McGinnis' sources should stand in front of TV cameras and lights if they wouldn't even give their names for a book?


jeff
9/16/2011 08:27:23 am

@Brad,

Quit goofing off!

You're supposed to be out there on the intertubes nailing up WANTED Posters. (note: hospital is misspelled. I tried to leave a msg on scribd, but I don't know if it went through.)

Reckon Frank Bailey is going to personally point this money-grubbing "opportunity" out to Sarah? Maybe she would split the funds with him.

EASY CASH! lol

You might have pledges to increase the payout over a $ million by the time you read this. After all, since the expected payout is the probability times the reward money, there's no financial risk. Of course, with a couple of mil to splash around, I could come up with the best *fake* that money could buy. Of course, catching SP try to submit even a "good fake" would be... priceless.

Viola-Alex
9/16/2011 08:45:17 am

@Brad - You're on a roll! Don't stop.

@Conscious - Can that really be our Curiouser? I think I would have heard that before in all these years.

Thanks for bringing that over!

FrostyAK
9/16/2011 09:24:00 am

"Finding Insanity: A Bat-Shit Crazy Mom, A Ruffled Ear Baby, & A Posh Private Insane Asylum in the Frigid Republic of Berserkaska?"

Priceless.

And on another note, The poster is good, but be sure that you specify exactly what you will accept as proof. And make it 100% irrefutable, many sources. I can see those tiny paylin brains now trying to crank out something to get the money. "Hey mom, you can print checks from the computer, why not a BC? We could use more hush money."

ManxMamma link
9/16/2011 09:46:54 am

Ordered! Good luck with your sales.

physicsmom
9/16/2011 09:56:27 am

Thanks Laura and Brad, enjoyed the discussion. I downloaded you book to my Kindle and plan to read it after Joe's book (sorry). I'm currently finishing one for my book club and am half-way through another, so I've got to clear the decks before "the Rouge" comes out Tues.

It's good to know you're already working on a sequel, but frustrating to know that it may be a while until it is ready for publication. That year or more wait between titles is killer for avid readers who devour series novels.

For other readers, thanks for not posting any "spoilers" so far; I hope everyone keeps it up.

Lynn
9/16/2011 09:59:10 am

i finished Clarity yesterday and have nothing but good things to say. And, yes, the comparison to Irving is appropriate in terms of the loving treatment of the absurd. However, I've met the man (the incestuous world of private schools rears its head here) and Laura is thankfully not quite so long winded. We'll know if this comparison is getting to Laura if the next book includes a problematic story within a story!
Buy the book, people. I don't even usually care for mysteries, but this one is great. And really, really funny.

curiouser
9/16/2011 11:16:56 am

Conscious at Last - I'll answer on the previous thread.

Brad Scharlott
9/16/2011 11:46:24 am

Jeff: Are you going to let a dictionary dictate to you how to spell? I'm revising the dictionary (in my spare time), and I have decided to change the spelling of hospital.

Meantime, I revised the Scribd.com document. See what happens when Laura doesn't edit my copy?

eclecticsandra
9/16/2011 12:55:48 pm

@viola=alex, I didn't realize the media were onto Clarity. If so, that's a good sign.

@laura, I am farther into Clarity. I am seeing the subtleties such as decorating the office. I love the McNutties house of glass and black marble.

When I was a student at Berkley, I often hiked the hills with friends. We fantasized about what it would be like to live up on Grizzly Peak. Is the Greek house still there? The rumor was that some rich guy built it for his girlfriend who never lived in it. It probably had the most fantastic view of the bay.

I encourage everyone to start this now. Joe's book won't be out until next week.

Sherryn
9/16/2011 01:15:15 pm

I just downloaded you book on kindle. I just got mine about four months ago, and have quite a que to catch up on, but will most definately read it after finishing "Glamorama".
I enjoyed the conversation, and learning your inspiration for the characters in your book, I've always been fascinated by watching people and it makes perfect sense.
Sarah Palin with a Penis made me laugh out loud, especially with the leaks (pun intended) from Joe's book.
@Brad, the poster is sheer genius on your part! Keep up the great work, and much success in your future endeavors!

I love reading and seeing author's works evolve with each new venture.

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Laura Novak
9/16/2011 11:25:22 pm

Thanks to all of you who have downloaded FC. And to those who have read and praised it. It IS a fun book, if I may speak objectively. And it truly does remind me of all of us investigating this odd woman and her story that does not add up. Clari takes some wrong turns, but in the end figures it all out. I hope we will too!

Brad, what can I say? You've taken the cake, won the prize, cracked me up and made my day. Your title is HYSTERICAL! I love it. It is now the official title of our SP search for truth...the story we are all working on together!

And Jeff, "your" Suki story is priceless. LOL fun.

CA Guy, and others: I'm honored that one can chose between Joe's book and mine. I say read his first by all means. Can't wait to get my copy and dive in.

Thank you new commenters and old. It really is a gift to be in touch with all of you here.

Laura Novak
9/17/2011 12:14:32 am

But more importantly, let's use this post as an open thread to discuss the latest about Joe or the newest about Sarah!

I'll start by saying this: she has three daughters, a son, DIL, parents, sibs and assumedly her husband, who are learning for the first time that their mom etc, had sex with a black man. In their circle, I imagine this is a big deal. Perhaps the ultimate humiliation to her family. Perhaps her daughters always thought she'd only had sex with her husband. But this ventures into "taboo" territory for their ilk.

What do you all think? Even if nothing further came out of Joe's book...is this enough to make her slink away? It's possible it might.

lilly lily
9/17/2011 12:30:45 am

Her following doesn't care. They are far right wing nuts and just don't care.

To them McGinniss is only writing gossip, and they quote the NY Times and other people who trashed the book..

I had an exchange with a few. I haven't written anything at one site about her for a year or more. I said having sex with a black man is her business, but that I loathe her etc. I said I didn't care what she did or who she scammed as long as she wasn't able to become POTUS. Plus a few other things, namely that she will bring herself down, and if McGinniss was slandering her they should sue him, not have Todd beat him up.

LOL. Got the predicatable responses. Everything against her is unproven, and lies. And naturally they did a bit of trashing on me, which rolls off my back as I know exactly what to expect there.

Mostly good people, and all always right, right wingers.

I said my bit, and told them I wasn't going to play their game. But that Sarah would do herself in.

I'm surprised they haven't banned me.

I didn't send them here or to any other site like Palingate, as you don't need trolling.

lilly llily
9/17/2011 12:35:38 am

They love her and that is that (mostly men.) I said what I wanted to say, and got exactly the responses I expected to get.

They claim to have read all the negative information, and that nothing is proven against her. I was supposed to prove to them (impossible, given their mind set) that she has hoaxed and scammed the public.

Love is blind.

Viola-Alex
9/17/2011 01:04:58 am

My former-NYT reporter (and current WSJ reporter) friend who thinks I'm nuts to stay focused on Palin emailed me to say that the BBC news had some new info on Palin. I told him he was three days behind the times.

"What about that affair with Glenn Rice?!" I asked my friend the reporter.

"Unsubstantiated," he said.

"But it is," I said, "Rice admits it."

"Then all you've got is 'he said, she said,'" the reporter replied. "And that is nothing more than innuendo."

He believes that all this brouhaha serves as more publicity-- and that it keeps her on the front page where she wants and needs to be.

As others have mentioned, plantation owners dominated slaves sexually for decades. A sportscaster in AK doing the same thing can be seen as a power play, if someone wants to justify her behavior.

And Sarah? I think she could spin it to herself that she nailed such a big catch. I know plenty of middle aged women who would love to have that secret revealed about their younger years.

So far nothing that has come out of Joe's book, I believe, is enough to squelch her for good.

Viola-Alex
9/17/2011 01:08:01 am




BUT I really really hope I'm wrong. And if I'm not, I really really hope Palinoia is on to something. Or Curiouser. Or Brad! Or anyone of the watchdogs who've worked for three years to stop this woman.

Brad Scarlott
9/17/2011 01:37:48 am

Call me old-fashioned, but I think bringing up dalliances from pre-wedding days is hitting below the belt. I think Joe hurts his credibility by trafficking in that stuff. I'm not saying I think he got the facts wrong, just that he is swimming with the tabloids.

Ottoline
9/17/2011 02:40:32 am

V-A: nice link to the "12 Most." Thanks! but why this obviously (and meaninglessly) photoshopped photo accompanying item #2?

http://i56.tinypic.com/34j2jbp.jpg

And re item 12: The report that SP home video-ed the Giffords response explains why the American flag behind her fireplace rocks has wind-furled folds in it -- a graphic of a wind-blown flag, it obviously is.

Brad: I LOVE your wanted poster! It makes a great link to post on any site that still believes SP was pregnant as stated. Weren't you originally going to submit that paper to a conference of your peers? I was hoping the responses from that would make a nice splash -- a press release that we bloggers would help rev up interest in.

And once again, I'm in agreement with you: the Rice and cocaine stuff is irrelevant and stupid to bring up. Except it gathers headlines. But if the "12 Most" list that V-A posted is all that's in McG's book, then we need "Fred" and your revised paper all the more. ASAP.

Re Debbie Bitney: isn't she the one who would have had to see Trig's birth certificate to qualify him for the Alaska Fund, for which he has rec'd payout(s)?

Ottoline
9/17/2011 02:50:57 am

So am I reading this right: the woman who rented McG her house, Catherine Taylor, had TWO gripes against SP: Todd assaulted he black stepson, and the Palins built a road across her property. So she rented her house to drug addicts and sought out McG to live there. Pretty gutsy in that climate of everyone fearing the Palins. I like her.

Ottoline
9/17/2011 03:01:32 am

So now I'm reviewing the "12 Most": except for the Rice+cocaine, I don't see that any of the other items will gather headlines. Old news, except the stuff about McG, and **newsflash** no one cares about McG.

My first thought about Rice was that Ailes fed this item to McG. My second thought was, if so, then Rice could have been handsomely paid to say so (whether it is true or not -- and it's really of no interest to me and others whether it is true or not). As V-A's reporter friend says, it's his word against SP's. And the SP sister whose room they allegedly used will surely deny it.

So this could backfire, with SP's supporters and even people on the fence claiming it is untrue. So when the next shoe drops re the BabyHoax, people will say "Ho Hum, they're always trying to frame her with ridiculous stuff, and who cares anyway."

I hope I'm wrong.

lilly lily
9/17/2011 03:20:14 am

Teflon. For one reason. A certain type of guy has the hots for her. She seems to have that flirtatious sex thing she projects patented. And more men jump on that, the more think she is masturbation material, like Charles Barkley said. And the fact that male African American athletes would like to bone her gives her white male protectors more reason to defend her.

It is crazy stuff. I think it overshadows anything really worthwhile he had to write.

The Star in Canada had a good review. But American papers are heaping scorn on McGinniss for what they consider the tabloid stuff. They refuse to take it seriously.

Ottoline
9/17/2011 03:40:02 am

Yes, looks like McG miscalculated.

Tom link
9/17/2011 03:46:35 am

I'll wait to read the book before I comment on the blurbs that've been released. Context is necessary before judgement.

About the Rice/Palin sexual romp. Trust me on this, if Palin or any attractive woman was sending signals to any man at that age, the man is going to readily accept the offer, as it were. Women own the power of YES. I don't mean to sound sexist if I am, but men (and I mkean me) at that age and older have one thing on their minds and it's not the the weather.

None of these blurbs reallu mean anything out of context. Joe, I would hope, is trying to make a point. If not, he's wasted his time and ours.

lilly lily
9/17/2011 04:15:54 am

McGinnis is comeing across as icky, because Sarah Palin and her family are icky. It's the old tar baby story. Touch her and you get tarred too.

Find Shannyn Moore and her sad story of a aborted friendship with McGinnis also icky. What is it with Alaskans?

The ick factor keeps going up and up.

The other MCCain is writing a history in the future of Todd attacking McGinnis at one event after another and beating him to a pulp.

Talk about ick. This is horrible stuff now.

I truly will not be in the least surprised if McGinnis is attacked in the future.

Every thing is icky. The supposed Hanson statement that he didn't give as reported by a respected news wire surface is also icky. More Palin Camp distortions.

God, I hope she explodes from suppressed rage.

Schmidt said she had 40, 50, 60 feuds going on at once. And that was before McGinnisses book or his renting the house next door.

bob
9/17/2011 04:58:09 am

Looking forward to read the McGinniss book.

Right now, as i read the push-back on the book as "gossip" and "hearsay", i think there might be two ways of putting "The Rogue" in proper context.

1.As counterpoint or confirmation to SP's own narrative of her life, as seen in her public appearances, and as presented in her memoir. Anything that she has used to bolster her credentials as a politician, or as a commentator that influences the national debate, is appropriate for a serious look at SP by a serious author, including her religion, her family, her patriotism, her executive experience, etc. This is, after all, the resume she used to run for office.
2. Senator McCain's selection process for his VP, and whether there was any vetting process.

As SP's narrative is debunked, or enhanced, or elaborated, in the end, Senator McCain and his political operatives in 2008 are also being evaluated again.

Viola-Alex
9/17/2011 05:03:49 am

here, here, Bob. That's what I'm hoping too. That the real fallout is on McCain and the Republican Party. They're being very quiet.

[or is that hear, hear?]

FrostyAK
9/17/2011 05:31:39 am

Here's one good review of McG's book, from out of the country, of course...

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1055449--book-sets-out-to-find-palin-and-destroy-her?bn=1

Karen
9/17/2011 05:54:24 am

I can't help but think "What a shame" seeing all the press about the Glen Rice story and early bits. I think it is obvious that McGinnis has a mean streak

Karen
9/17/2011 05:55:16 am

...from is blog, at least. Kind of an "I'll show you" attitude, and when the Palins and the baggers went after him he did just that.

Floyd M. Orr link
9/17/2011 06:32:37 am

You're not wrong, Ottoline. I have been saying most of the same stuff since the beginning. My conscience is clear because I have presented the whole story, including the depth of the hoax and its many enablers, but without all the tabloid trashiness of The Rogue.

Now that Sarah has waited this long to declare, I want to see her enter the race. If she does, maybe the MSM will be a bit more inclined to do its job this time. No matter whether she runs as a Repub or as a third Tea Party candidate, she would split the Evangelical vote either way. However, I am afraid these latest events will keep her from running and the MSM will get exactly what it wants, the trivializing of Palin without Babygate or the complicity of the MSM ever reaching the shallow surface level of the low-information electorate.

Viola-Alex
9/17/2011 06:38:50 am

Yes, Floyd-- but if she's defanged, then maybe someone will come forward who can lead the way on babygate. Isn't that possible? A laughingstock is harder to be afraid of.

Regina has a simple but clean argument in favor of The Rogue today-- as it forms an antithesis to Palin's Going Rogue. I felt better when I read her take on it at Palingates.

Laura Novak
9/17/2011 06:50:01 am

How could I have predicted that "penis" would be a good word to use in this post's title?

the issue I have here is one of old time racism: are OTHER, white boyfriends and one-night stands mentioned? Perhaps. Or is this one only mentioned because he was "black" (whispered.) there in lies the rub. It's assumed that we will all talk about it b/c of his color. If he were a white B-Ball player, would anyone care? What does that say about all of us as a nation? And Brad is correct: who among us made good choices ALL the time at 23 that might not haunt us now, 24 years down the road. Still, we do need context for these parts of the book. Perhaps the rest of the story will flesh it out for us. Certainly the NYT's review was no stunning or stellar piece of journalism. That's for sure!

Viola-Alex
9/17/2011 06:57:23 am

Laura, did you ever sleep with anyone you covered for a story?

Nevermind. But there are several dimensions to this story, and you're right, we are speaking without having read the context.

But again, I'll mention Regina's take on Palingates-- that what we now have is a counterpoint to her love fable of Todd's courtship in Going Rogue. Palin set herself up to fall with her ghostwritten memoir and by her very public hypocrisy.

Do I wish it were some major political flub that would bring her down? Of course, but it never is. It's always scandal.

Tom link
9/17/2011 07:40:24 am

@Floyd--Have you read the entire book? Maybe the tabloid trashiness is relevant.

@Laura--Glad you affirmed my request that we read the book before judging. Context is crucial. If Joe's just throwing out the Rice/Palin tryst for sizzle then I agree it's irrelevant.

I think that Joe spends a lot of words describing the hypocrisy of Palin and the willingness of all media to ignore and dismiss her hypocrisy and vindictiveness to sell time, space, get clicks etc. Media has accepted a statement frtom Brad Hanson that apparently has been issued by the Palin camp. Who's going to undo that statement if it was only a up to date reiteration of Hanson's 2008 statement? Nobody.

FrostyAK
9/17/2011 07:55:43 am

Seems Hanson was unaware that he had issued a statement at all, until...

"After being asked several times if he had released the statement, Hanson finally told Butterfield: “I think so,” and then he added, “Let me know what you think about it.”"

Chalk it all up the the totally hypocritical fundy churchgoers in the area. They stick together because there is so much dirt buried between them.

I have to agree with Regina's take on the book. It will be the absolute rebuttal/antithesis of $P's poorly ghostwritten narrative of similar name. Maybe that's why he titled the book The Rogue?

Floyd M. Orr link
9/17/2011 08:08:36 am

Tom, I have not read The Rogue yet, but I did read many months ago about the extent to which McGinniss was involved with the tabloid sensationalism of The Enquirer. I enjoy reading the sordid details as much as the next guy, but I have felt for a long time that America has experienced a paradigm shift in our political culture that is much larger than Sarah Palin. She is only a symbol or a symptom of the disease. Although I have known about Palin's many tabloid issues for several years now, I do not think they represent the real story of this tragedy. The real story is how The Christian Mafia set up Babygate to take their blind followers to the next level, and the MSM knowingly helped accomplish that goal.

NSG
9/17/2011 08:19:09 am

NSG
9/17/2011 08:23:51 am

(Oops.)

I agree with Laura that we have an obligation to stay vigilant about the tenor of the discussion wrt the Glen Rice affair. As further evidence for hypocrisy, fine. Potentially to uncover hidden racism among her supporters, maybe her, maybe. But beyond that it gets questionable.

I also think the tawdriness judgment has to wait til we see Joe's whole context.

I'm encouraged by the Toronto Star review...
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1055449--book-sets-out-to-find-palin-and-destroy-her?bn=1

...which does a good job of seeing all these reports as proof of her hypocrisy AND demonstrates the abject negligence of the US MSM in not uncovering any of this 3 years ago.

NSG
9/17/2011 08:34:10 am

And one more, kinda tangential, thing.

We've talked a lot about SP potentially having Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I've commented a few times about this from my own close-up view of the similar Borderline PD.

Well, there's a "Rogue" quote in the Toronto Star article that raised my eyebrows that SP may be more BPD vs NPD...

"McGinnis describes the Palin practice of vanquishing enemies as a “potentially dangerous character flaw.”

“She has no sense of proportion, no ability to modulate her response. She’s over-the-top in all directions: rah-rah cheerleading for those she supports, spewing vitriolic condemnation of anyone who challenges her.

“If this is how she reactions, as a private citizen, to an unwelcome neighbour next door, what would she do as president if the Iranian government suddenly irked her?”

But McGinniss attributes much of that mindset as a consequence of life under father Chuck Heath, unearthing a story of how her father once whipped up an “ugly, violent mob” in Wasilla to protest the firing of a school principal — his close friend — who was fired for ignoring allegations that another teacher had molested as many as 17 girls in his Grade 3 class.

Said Pat O’Hara, a former school board member caught in the fracas: “Sarah learned from her father; if someone disagrees with you or does something you don’t like, annihilate first, ask questions later.”
(end quote)

From Wikipedia's BPD listing, here's the DSM criteria:

A pervasive pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships, self-image and affects, as well as marked impulsivity, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
1.Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment....
2.A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation.
3.Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.
4.Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., promiscuous sex, eating disorders, binge eating, substance abuse, reckless driving)....
5.Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, threats or self-injuring behavior such as cutting, interfering with the healing of scars (excoriation) or picking at oneself.
6.Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days).
7.Chronic feelings of emptiness
8.Inappropriate anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights).
9.Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation, delusions or severe dissociative symptoms
(end Wiki passage)

A major theme with BPD is "splitting": "BPD splitting includes a switch between idealizing and demonizing others. This, combined with mood disturbances, can undermine relationships with family, friends, and co-workers. BPD disturbances also may include self-harm." (Source: wiki)

This is often described as "black & white thinking."

Sounds VERY familiar. And because of the porous interpersonal boundaries of BPDs, it's particularly challenging for their children.

Something else to ponder. I'm looking forward to being able to read Joe's work as whole, not just these out-of-context bits.

nancydrewed link
9/17/2011 08:41:48 am

The wagons are circling in Alaska apparently. The "Alaska Dispatch" (I seem to remember it as the more progressive outlet) has a response up today. Presumably as media they now have a copy of "The Rogue."

http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/concerned-palin-mcginniss-feud-hits-big-time

And the McGinniss ethics charges are re-posted at both Mudflats and Shannyn Moore's blog. The original post dates to last winter.

I'm afraid in all this 'noise', the obvious point that Palin, nasty self-creation that she is, was not handily unmasked [should have been very easy to do] by our fourth estate will get lost. Again. That, of course, is THE huge deal about the state of journalism today. The press has abdicated to a dangerous degree and here we are. The long slide has been insidious and so relentless that we've failed to be as horrified as we should be. Palin's presence in the news has allowed the word "newsworthy" as it applies to serious political discourse to be redefined.

If the McGinniss coverage devolves into more 'he said, she said" journalism and false equivalency, well kids -- that self-reflection we thought might finally be forced on our 'serious' reporters. Not going to happen.

FrostyAK
9/17/2011 08:53:19 am

@NSG

Most psychological diagnoses are arrived at via the concrete parameters of the DSM, and often do not reflect all that is going on with an individual.

Why is it not possible that she demonstrates many/most of the symptoms of both BPD and NPD? And of a number of other mental illnesses as well?

Way back I was commenting that she showed signs of multiple personality and bi-polar disorders also too. We will never know for sure - but those with experience in psychology, or with personal experience with family who have/had said disorders, can make a good guess.

We do know that she is one SICK individual who needs help on so many levels. That does not negate our job of trying to end her public influence.

Bobcat Logic
9/17/2011 09:23:13 am

@ Anyone surprised by the New York Times review of _The Rogue_ should simply remember the sorry saga of Judith Miller.

'Nuff said.

Always laughing Jane
9/17/2011 09:48:47 am

Laura, you bring up an interesting point about her family finding out about Glen Rice. Even more interesting when you know that Bristol specifically thought the Brad H affair rumor was insane (shes also the onle who is friends with Brads son)

However, the family is close and they find humor in pretty much everything. When Molly dates a man the kids dont like, the conversations are hilarious.

I think the kids would generally be perhaps taken aback but I would bet $1000 they find it funny. ESPECIALLY after hearing Sarah loving the idea that Bristols best friend likes black boys.

Thats how they roll, with intense humor.

Todd on the other hand, may be pissed. I fully believe he was Sarahs first. She was so shy in school I find it hard to believe she'd have sex first with someone other than her first boyfriend whom became a best friend in school.

She was a backwoods girl who went away to college. None of this surprises me as it kind of mirrors my life.

Always Laughing Jane
9/17/2011 09:51:11 am

Sorry, one more thing. It's also interesting to note that during DWTS, Bristol hung out a lot withi Brandi, RayJ, Kyle, and Chris. RayJ had a huge crush on Bristols cousin. I'm thinking that the news of Sarah's little Rogue moment may have been a bit shocking but also something they now laugh about.

Bill
9/17/2011 09:55:01 am

Ok. DId you all read that blog post from the son of the man who oversaw the molestation case? He calls out Joe for being a bastard essentially. Chuck did not condone any act of pedophilia. He felt bad that the principal's career was over because of a mistake. Yes, big mistake that resulted in a law, but I can see his point. Chuck is a good man.

Always laughing Jane
9/17/2011 09:57:19 am

Wait - I may take back what I said. Wasn't it reported that the Rice event happened in Molly's dorm room?

Jazzabel
9/17/2011 10:07:41 am

Well, technically, we don't know that Sarah and Todd were having trouble around the Rice time. The relationship couldve just been curiosity, a momentary draw. Rice is quoted as saying he was automatically smitten with her. Considering Sarah was the ultimate shy girl, that probably felt good and probably contributed to her current mentality. And she presently loves the prospect of interracial relations. This I have heard from people who've have conversations with her.

Viola-Alex
9/17/2011 10:11:41 am

Are these trolls from the Philippines or Pakistan? Did Palin hire some service to do this? It doesn't even sound like English.

Bill in Baltimore
9/17/2011 10:25:33 am

Trolls are lurking.Pretty obvious.

FrostyAK
9/17/2011 10:27:16 am

Waves enthusiastically! Hi Fairy Tale Trolls, we just love that you have come to the party.

Please provide full documentations for your allegations. Or you could even get $10,000. for providing the good professor with proof that $P popped Trig right out of her very own vagina.

Tom link
9/17/2011 10:30:28 am

nancydrewed,

I read the Dispatch piece. I don't think the author read the book. He relied on information that we, too, know--sex, drugs, Hanson statement or not.

I'm not impressed that the one political issue the writer brings up is NEA funding, important but just the tip.

Palin is not who she says she is, personally and politically. That's the message that I tnink Joe has documented yet will still be dismissed--very, very annoying.

@Floyd--MSM 'knowingly helped accomplish that goal.'

From the top on down? Big outfits like Time Warner etc.? Why would they support a Christian Mafia? What's in it for them? MOney? And all the Jewish journalists are complicit? To what end?

Bill link
9/17/2011 10:36:59 am

@Bill--Was one of the third grade girls who was molested your child? No? Then STFU. Nothing's real until it's personal, Bill.

Tom link
9/17/2011 10:38:35 am

Message to Bill was from me. Bill got me angry. Yes you did , Bill.

curiouser
9/17/2011 10:38:52 am

Bill - Here's the link from the son, Rob Port, who claims McGinnis threatened him.

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/shocking-new-expose-on-sarah-palin-not-all-that-shocking/

Reading the email exchange between Joe and Rob, I'd say Joe acted in an extremely professional manner. He disclosed all the information he had about the situation and wanted to get Rob's father's perspective. Rob's father refused and Joe explained he'd have to go with what he had. For Rob to characterize that as a threat sends off a warning bell in my head.

The shocker for me is that the principal who was fired was Ray Carter who, along with his wife and daughter(?) and the Heaths, gave the Palins a loan to purchase their second home. (h/t Anon 1:52 at IM)

The creep factor of the Heaths, Palins, and their friends in Wasilla grows with every new disclosure.

nancydrewed link
9/17/2011 10:44:48 am

More from the NYT, with probably a more interesting take on how McGinniss approached writing this book, and all that has changed since he wrote "The Making of the President" about the Nixon campaign. I remember the "new journalism" his first book purported. In some ways I think it's ironic that he made an adjustment to 'where we are now' in covering political figures, yet is getting slammed for having had to do so in order to get the story out there.

Today: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/18/sunday-review/the-political-provocateur.html?pagewanted=3&_r=1

And Laura, I sure wish weebly would do something about hyperlinks. Or is it just me?

Floyd M. Orr link
9/17/2011 10:48:17 am

Yes, for money.

Bobcat Logic
9/17/2011 10:49:13 am

@ Tom

Of course, Jewish journalists are complicit. Take Bill Kristol (please!), as just one example.

"To what end?" you ask.

The Christian Fundamentalists/Dominionists are HUGE supporters of Israeli expansionist policies which will usher in END TIMES.

Why do you think Sarah wears that enormous Star of David?
Why does she get to have dinner in Israel with Netanyahu?
Why did Frank Elan make a documentary for Israeli television on a then-obscure Alaskan governor-- Sarah Palin, featuring the Trig pregnancy?

Floyd M. Orr link
9/17/2011 10:56:08 am

Just to add to my last brief comment, Yes, for money, check out this link. All three cable networks are ignoring 50,000 protesters on Wall Street right now. That's funny, I seem to remember the news cameras and staffers swarming all over practically any event featuring Palin with any more than a hundred people present.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/media-blackout-us-day-of-rage

Tom link
9/17/2011 11:02:27 am

Floyd and Bobcat, are Jews hoodwinking the Dominionists? Certainly they have separate and disparate beliefs. Is it solely the expansion of Israel that they're after? Beyond that, I don't get what's in it for Jews, a very shrewd and smart people. Maybe you could help, briefly?

nancydrewed link
9/17/2011 11:34:30 am

Floyd -- Not only that. Mrs. Palin was all over my teevee recently on C-SPAN. That was the moment when my cognitive dissonance meter sprung into needs-to-go-to-repair-shop broken mode. C-SPAN???

And 50K protestors on Wall St.? Meh. Well. It's Saturday I guess. Skeleton crews all 'round one supposes.

NSG
9/17/2011 12:15:11 pm

Anon238 has posted again...

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?postID=4190158141129121771&blogID=9361564&isPopup=false&page=2

Off to read...

rubbernecking
9/17/2011 12:21:41 pm

Well, the Rice story shines new light on Palin's relationship with the press. In 1987, her interviews were foreplay.

It's no wonder she's always so frustrated with the press.

Viola-Alex
9/17/2011 12:37:50 pm

I'm loving me some Ms Anon238. RAM is on the scene. Todd hating the stupid statement. Willow blackmailing her parents. . . It's such a relief to enjoy these missives instead of worrying about the state of this country.

[thanks! NSG!]

Bobcat Logic
9/17/2011 12:39:07 pm

@ Floyd

On September 3rd, half a million Israelis took to the streets to protest against Netanyahu government policies.

Similar protests have been occurring In Israel all summer.

I haven't done the math on this, but others tell me that this is the equivalent of 19 million Americans taking to the streets in protest.

Do you recall much , if any, coverage of this in the US MSM?

FrostyAK
9/17/2011 12:42:15 pm

anon's newest:

"Hello all. I'm finally home and couldn't be more thrilled. I'm re-acclimating, finishing some things for work, unpacking, and so on. Very much looking forward to collaborating with Gryphen this coming week.

I just wanted to drop a few notes because SO much has been going on. Sarah is in an acutely manic state and I think her mind must be like a pressure cooker these days. Todd did NOT know about the Rice incident and Sarah had no idea it would ever come up again. (hardy har har, I said "come up again" ;)

Anyway, Todd is PISSED. Way more so at Sarah than Joe. Todd also was not at all pleased with the "statement" Sarah's team put out. (penned by Rebecca Mansour) They didn't even run it by Todd before sending it out. He was very angry, saying not only did it not sound like him at all, but that all people were going to get out of it is "I make my wife mow the lawn".

Much more to say on these issues about what is and will be coming out in books and other avenues, but that's for another day.

One thing I just found out over the weekend--I was asking my person from Sarah's circle why the hell I'd heard about Willow tooling around in a seventy thousand dollar SUV. Last I knew, Sarah and Todd were determined not to have another PR fiasco courtesy of Willow and were really trying to toe the line with her...including telling her she needed to get a job if she wanted a car. They said if she saved a certain percentage they would foot the rest. (I guess that's "toeing the line" in the land of Palin)

Well miss Willow decided to play dirty, probably because that's all she sees everyone else in her family doing. She basically demanded the use of her vehicle of choice "or else". Todd called her bluff--"or else what?"

Turns out Willow came up with a pretty grown up threat. "I bet lots of people would be interested to hear whose purse I really found an ultrasound picture in".

I think Bristol's Trig pregnancy might have been "outed" very late, and by Willow who was snooping through Bristol's purse.

Have a great night, everyone. More (oh so much more, thank you Mr. McGinnis) soon."

Tom link
9/17/2011 12:58:26 pm

@Frosty, thank you very much for the anon238 post. Digging it out would be a challenge for me. Everybody says find it and bookmark it. Well, for me, not so easy. Please continue though I guess anon will be working with G so any future posts will be front page. Thanks again.

@Floyd and Bobcat--I don't know what to make of the collusion between powerful and influential Jews and Dominionists that you've described. I do know that if the Dominionist think they're gonna outwit and outsmart the Israelis (and Jews in general) they've got another great big think coming.

Ottoline
9/17/2011 01:14:07 pm

Somewhere earlier the "Willow snooped and found things in purses" idea was presented. Anyone remember where? I don't, but it rings a bell.

FrostyAK
9/17/2011 01:21:20 pm

@Tom
It is a collaboration between the radical Zionists in Israel & DC and the Dominionists. They use religion to usurp power. It's at the top levels, and not coming from the common man.

And no, I have seen NO coverage of the demonstrations at all. First I've heard of it.

Viola-Alex
9/17/2011 01:24:18 pm

@Ottoline It's in Bristol's ghostwritten memoir.

Willow "plunged her hand" into Bristol's purse looking for a "stick of gum." "Instead of pulling out a sweet minty treat, she found a pregnancy test. Not one, but eight. . .and all of them showed pink plus signs. . . ."

"'I'm going to tell Mom!'" says Willow (99-100).

--

Willow also finds "Trig's" ultrasound and tells Bristol that their mom is pregnant. "'I found it on the table,' Willow said. 'They left some papers behind, and it was in an envelope.'" (91)

Yep. Sounds like that girl might blackmail her way to a 70thou car.

FrostyAK
9/17/2011 01:30:26 pm

Phil Munger's review of The Rogue and other $P books, with a good description of why people remain silent in the "Mad Zoo" (Mat Su).

http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/2011/09/comparing-four-books-that-critically.html

Tom link
9/17/2011 01:31:23 pm

@Frosty---Thanks.

Phil Munger has an excellent review of Joe's book at his blog.

http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/2011/09/comparing-four-books-that-critically.html

I like that Phil has an intimate perspective of Wasilla and its residents. Makes a difference and he's read the book.

Tom link
9/17/2011 01:42:20 pm

In his review, Phil compares 'The Rogue' to a book I've mentioned here a few times, 'It Can't Happen Here' by Sinclair Lewis. It's thought that Lewis based his work in part on the Huey Long story though I'm sure that Hitler's Germany and Mussolini's Italy influenced him also. I'm sure you all know that Robert Penn Warren fictionalized the Huey Long saga in 'All the King's Men', a novel that I promise you SP has neither read nor heard of.

Viola-Alex
9/17/2011 01:53:15 pm

@FrostyAK. Thanks so much for that link. I thoroughly enjoyed Mr. Munger's perspective and finally, understand a bit of that fear everybody mentions. After his review of Bailey's book, More than ever, I'm disheartened with AKM's participation in a project that wound up published by a Christian press. It just seems like collusion with the enemy. Half truths are worse than no truths.

Cracklin Charlie
9/17/2011 02:13:50 pm

Frosty,
Thanks for posting anon's latest comment. VERY interesting. Like Tom, I would never be able to find it on my own. Do I have a bookmark? What/where is my bookmark? Where did I get my bookmark?

Laura,

I love the conversations with you and Brad. Just one question...don't you just love Queen Latifa? I would watch that girl do the dishes. Even though I don't usually judge other women by their appearance, I think Queen Latifa is so beautiful. And while I don't know much about her private life, hers seems a beauty that comes from within. Did you see her sing the national anthem at the US Open on 9-11? She sang before the women's championship with a full gospel choir. It was wonderful.

Ottoline
9/17/2011 02:22:39 pm

V-A: thx for the location of that snooping tidbit. And I agree that the Munger review is a good one. (Posting a comment on that site reminds me of the Audrey days! the keywords that we ascribed magical predictive properties to. [just for fun].)

I wonder if AKM will continue with the "cuttings on the floor" info. It sure is coming out slowly. Will that be the place where Bailey's withheld info will appear? And I continue to wonder why they don't discuss the baby hoax. I'm not asking them to discuss it so much as asking them why not? Because I bet they have an interesting answer. But they don't like to be asked about it. So okay.

Tom link
9/17/2011 02:45:24 pm

I think AKM's been posting the cut stuff on Mondays. The first two editions read like parts of a whole, so maybe they're trying to sell to a mag.

LTA
9/17/2011 03:18:30 pm

Bristol's "memoir" tells of Willow blindly plunging her hand into Bristol's purse and instead of her fingers randomly finding a "minty treat", she pulled out EIGHT pregnancy tests? Why can't these idiots ever just even lie normally? What's wrong with ONE pregnancy test?

But eight? Seriously? Bristol wants us to believe she peed on something and then put it in her purse, and then did it again seven more times?


Sounds like Willow found the ultrasound for Trig in Bristol's purse. Sarah appropriated the story for her "Trig pregnancy" and then Bristol reappropriated it for her Tripp pregnancy.

Wasn't it also Willow who said of a red and wrinkled minutes old Trig "he looks like he has down syndrome"?

Willow is just the Sherlock Holmes of fake pregnancy world!

jess Rabbit
9/17/2011 07:09:02 pm

To LTA- now I would be very hesitant about believing this Anon person, as much of that last comment was inaccurate. They claim Willow was recently told to get a job. Willow got a job last spring and enjoyed it. She also has had a car of her own. Do remember all the kids have been expected to do chores. Bristol alluded to this when she wrote about her dad paying her to paint. Something doesn't come from nothing. There is work ethic.
And btw Anon, many people have said the kids questioned Sarah to her face about the pregnancy and she denied each time.
That would explain the shock and anger. But its telling that in May 08, all was good concerning Trig.

Also, mediaindsider discredits herself anytime she claims Bristol was pregnant last year. One does not look just plain chunky one day (think week 2's black pants and blk shirt pic) and then the visalia pics showing a flat abdomen and slimness overall. She probably has a bloating problem mixed with irregular eating. It takes time to develop a system to stabilize weight. Bristol is the last person who would abort a baby. She's been obsessed with babies since she was little.

AAA
9/17/2011 07:15:02 pm

About pg tests. There was also a 08 report that there was a lot of waving of a pg stick around and Sarah joking that it wasn't real.

I can totally see this being Tripp and it would tie into the Willow bf rumoring story.

WTH people
9/17/2011 07:20:39 pm

Viola Alex, While I am glad you are enjoying the fictional tales of a manipulative Anonymous person, it concerns me that your perspective is virtually non-existent. Here are a very important statement we must remember. I will provide in all CAPS:

THE PRESIDENT HAS LITERALLY GOTTEN AWAY WITH LYING ABOUT THE JOBS BILL AND ITS FUNDING, HES GOTTEN AWAY WITH SAYING, VERBATIM "IF YOU LOVE ME, YOU WILL PASS THIS BILL."

What more do you need to hear and see to start investigating this man's true intentions and past deceptions. YOU WOULD NEVER LET A REPUBLICAN, LET ALONE SARAH, GET AWAY WITH THOSE ACTIONS AND STATEMENTS.

Ugh,

Bill in Baltimore
9/17/2011 10:12:01 pm

@WTH people. ....
Another loyal Fox fan.

rubbernecking
9/17/2011 11:16:03 pm

Does anyone know how Willow and Piper came to the hospital on 4/18? The girls were enrolled in Juneau schools in spring 2008 and I assume they were staying at the Governor's mansion in Juneau during the Wild Ride Energy conference.

Learning more about how/when the girls traveled from Juneau might give us more insight into the Wild Ride activities, and how much was planned vs improvised at the last minute.

WTH people
9/17/2011 11:47:25 pm

Bill, you cannot refute anything I say because it's true. Why do you ignore the lies coming from DC? That's unsettling. Many are caught on tape.

WTH people
9/17/2011 11:50:09 pm

Bill, how'd you react if Sarah said, "if you love me, you will____"

Seriously. How would you, a thinking individual, react?

Have you read the jobs bill? Can YOU prove it's paid for? Is there released documentation like was promised, 5 days before it's sent to Congress?

nogravity
9/17/2011 11:55:12 pm

@Bill in Baltimore...

Are you sure? It does post with the requisite CAPS signifying an inability to make a point with their writing alone but it's missing the multiple exclamation marks.

Up
9/17/2011 11:56:14 pm

@rubbernecking, based on Going Rogue (p. 195, fairytale I know) Palin says "...with Todd and our daughters nearby, I delivered Trig....". So either the girls were already in Wasilla, or someone woke them in the middle of the night and drove the licked-split from Juneau (can you even drive that route?) so they'd arrive by shift change at 7.

Laura Novak
9/18/2011 12:23:30 am

This post is NOT about Obama or the Jobs Bill. Take it elsewhere. When I begin blogging about Obama, then we will discuss him.

Let's talk about Joe's book, my book, or now Phil Munger's evaluation of all the books. Or of course the Wild Ride and Anon's new comments. I cannot wait to see what Anon and Gryphen are working on.

Don't feed the trolls please. Because they are busy getting in touch with Brad to collect that huge reward. And they have other things to do now.

Laura Novak
9/18/2011 12:25:52 am

One other question, O/T, though not really, for those who read Finding Clarity. I realize that my next Clari Drake mystery is already sounding much more serious and "classic mystery." I take it that Clari's spunk and humor were a large part of this first book's appeal. Is that so? Is that a key part of what I need to keep in this series' dynamic? Let me know please if you can.

Many thanks again for everyone's support with my first novel. Spread the word to your social network, book groups etc, please. Even if you don't readily admit how you found the book! :-)

nogravity
9/18/2011 12:46:15 am

@Laura Novak

"I cannot wait to see what Anon and Gryphen are working on."

I can't wait to see the poor stainless steel refrigerator. I can only imagine the pounding it took after the Glen Rice reveal.

Balzafiar
9/18/2011 12:50:44 am

To the good people of Alaska: there has never been a better time to break free of the Palin mafia. Seize this moment for your own.

Yes, it's finally true. Now is the time for you to come forward and tell what you know about the lies and deceptions the Palins have foisted on the good people of our country. The people you are most afraid of are very weak and disheartened because of revelations about them that are finally seeing the light of day.

They know their days of high living are about over. They know their lies are being exposed.

That leaves you with the power to finally remove that yoke -- that fear of retribution -- they have had around your neck for such a long time, and bring their grifting gravy train to a screeching halt.

At least one Alaskan has gotten fed up with the way the Palins treat people and recently begun doing just that, albeit anonymously -- and anonymous is fine so long as it is the truth.

It's up to you to take that big step and do the right thing for your fellow citizens, your friends, your relatives. What affects you affects them too, so by being strong enough to take that step you are being strong for them.

It's just the right thing to do.

dlb44
9/18/2011 12:58:35 am

@up, There is no road from Juneau to Wasilla. You can only fly or take a boat out.

@Laura, I downloaded the Kindle version of your book, and commented earlier about what a fun read it was. Yes, my vote is for Clary to maintain that funny, witty and slightly cynical attitude that no doubt will help her solve mysteries. One of my favorite female PI characters is Kinsey Milhone in Sue Grafton's 'ABC' mysteries. What is interesting about the series is they take place in the 1980's before all the CSI technology became so popular and useful in mysteries. Thus, Kinsey solves mysteries using old-fashioned intuition, wit, and sweat with little aid from DNA or databases. Grafton has spent years developing her character, who is off-beat, perky, and eccentric. I can envision Clary as a basically good and funny person, sort of stumbling into problems that need to be solved if for no other reason than it is the righteous Berekely thing to do :-)

Viola-Alex
9/18/2011 01:17:20 am

@Laura and Clarity: what I loved about Clarity as a detective heroine is that she was believable as a mom, wife, human being inhabitant of Berkeley. It's like reading about my own life and wondering what mysteries might have been there that I missed the opportunity to solve. Detective Literature is full of the Everyman Male detective, but as far as women go (in my experience) they are always superwomen in some way. Hard, masculine or Miss Marple-ish.

I like the idea that these things happen to Clarity, and that in some way, she is fated to follow them almost beyond her control-- because she is a good person, mom, wife, and friend. (And of course, because of her journalistic curiosity. Didn't someone once say that curiosity is a sign of an intelligent person?)

It certainly IS like my obsession with Sarah Palin in that regard. How did it happen? It just did, and it grew, and suddenly I'm in the middle of it, passionately caring how it plays out. Isn't that how life is?

Oh, and that Clarity is a "failure" as a journalist. That she couldn't keep up with the game. But that she uses her skills as a journalist -- ie search for truth, ability to organize facts -- that are no longer wanted or needed in journalism! So there's THAT whole 'nother satiric poke. Reporters are natural bloodhounds, but what happens to them when they're no longer wanted?

I could go on-- but don't want to hijack the thread completely. Thanks for asking. It's fun to know an author at this stage of her development!

It's also heartening to be a part of someone making something of her life as opposed to someone destroying her life.

granny j link
9/18/2011 01:36:34 am

Yes to your question Laura. Clari's spunk and humour need to be kept- and even if the next book is more serious I believe it is possible to keep those characteristics alive.

phantomimic link
9/18/2011 02:53:42 am

Clari rocks! Great novel Laura. Using the magic of the e-reader we learn that the word "penis" appears 3 times in your book, and in each of these appearances it is associated with this particular character. Now, why would this be? Hint, hint, hint...read the book! Hey, I should have included this in my review!

lilly lily
9/18/2011 04:43:22 am

LOL.

Out today and a large group of tea party folks were out opposite one mall. Obese, white, and middle aged flying don't tread on me rattlesnake flags in yellow, dressed in cowboy like regalia.

Have no idea what they were trying to convey. they are screwed up mentally. Sarah Palins people, just like her. Ugh.

Seems you had an influx of trolling. LOL. Why on earth are they bringing anti Obama propoganda into a anti- Palin party? This is why I didn't put out links in the far right sight I frequent. They post anti Barack and Michelle Obama stories over and over, which I not only don't read but don't comment on. I like the people, other than their political fanatacism. And am courteous about not treading on their bunions or hobby horses.

What is it with these Palin bots. They certainly aren't changing any ones minds. Are they paid by the comment, or simply like to waste their time?

comeonpeople
9/18/2011 04:59:22 am

@Balzafiar: I think one of the problems about Wasillans speaking is that many of those that have all the dirt are involved in the dirt and risk exposure themselves for their parts or their gains. There are others who know but may not have the concrete proof. Hope I am wrong. In fact, someone in Wasilla prove me wrong, please.

FrostyAK
9/18/2011 05:01:45 am

On the question of humor in your fictional work.

Think about how successful Janet Evanovitch has been with the exploits of bungling but successful Stephanie Plum. She made it clear that she had no intention of taking that series to 15+ novels, but has done so; and in doing so has gotten a great deal of monetary benefit. She, as you, draws from the community she knows intimately.

And on things getting more serious, but keeping the characters natures true, look at what J K Rowling did with Harry Potter. The first couple of books were mostly fun, and suitable for children. The later books much more dark and totally unsuitable for children. But the main characters stayed true to who they were, even as they grew through their teen years and the turbulence of that time of life.

I suggest keeping Clari true to herself and the portrait you have painted of her, as she travels through different adventures, be they light-hearted or more dark.

Balzafiar
9/18/2011 05:11:52 am

@comeonpeople: That's why I addressed my plea to Alaskans in general rather than Wasillans only. There are people in the know who don't live in Wasilla yet could talk if they would.

Joe's book will go a long way to opening the floodgates and maybe Levi's book will too. Palinoia's post is a wealth of good information and I look forward to the remainder. It all helps.

Since Anon@238 is one of the very few (and only one who returns) who has come forward to date I don't have much hope it will happen because of my post. But, it only takes one small rock to start an avalanche -- and it could happen.

Tom link
9/18/2011 05:16:13 am

@comeonpeople

Wasillans are like the bunch in the HBO show 'Deadwood', maybe. I loved that series. Never heard so much vulgarity in a sixty minute period but the show made me laugh.

lilly lily
9/18/2011 05:18:16 am

Found a comment on ADN.com on the LA review of the McGinniss book.

They said Sally 1, or Sarah Heath 1 is the psycho liar. Her mother is a psycho liar as well as her famous daughter.

that would make sense. I think of her mother as Mrs. Doormat... but it would make sense if she learned her lies at her mothers knee. Namely don't tell dad this, lie about that. Chuch is one domineering individual.

Phil Munger has a shocking revalation about $3,500 daage done to his car. Oil all siphoned out and oil line indicator cut. He just seems to have ignored it and moved on. LIFE IN WASILLA, palinbots. take note. Your kind of behavior.

Tom link
9/18/2011 05:26:05 am

@comeonpeople,

Wasilla brings to mind the HBO series, Deadwood'. Extremely vukgar but funny (unless you were on the wrong end of the rope/gun/knife etc.).

It's not a coincidence that the local paper is called The Frontiersman.

lilly lily
9/18/2011 05:55:04 am

Went to Deadwood, on a trip to Mount Rushmore, which is now a casino town with live old west, shoot em up showdowns in the streets.

LOL. Asked a handsome old west re-enacter if any of the Casinos in town had a craps table. He said no, but "I could play dice in the back of his van". I laughed and said' "No Thanks." and I'm ancient... but men are ready to party type critters all over the world, not only in Deadwood and Wasilla.

I think this town is more like something filmed by David Lynch. Much darker than Deadwood.

Family Values. Ugh...

Politicatgates has a must read thread on the music teacher pedophile.

Really a must read even by Palinbots.

Mir
9/18/2011 06:10:11 am

@ Laura

I think Clari needs to move beyond "The Ice Pick" and further into the gourmet ghetto. She deserves a good meal.

Much material there for delectation and satire.

FrostyAK
9/18/2011 06:15:05 am

Reading another blog today caused me to remember this particular episode of $P and healthcare. This happened during her 'leadership' of the state.

http://www.adn.com/2009/07/14/864670/troubled-alaska-health-programs.html

More than 250 people died due to her, and her crony's, lack of due diligence. How does that tie into Babygate? Recklessness in approach to healthcare, and with humans lives.

lilly lily
9/18/2011 06:24:46 am

This gets more and more surreal.

I had a dust up with a palinbot on Joes blog.

I check her twitter once a day for the raw insights it gives me into a palinbots mind.

This was her main twitter for today.

She has the "lofty goal" of having Sarah Palin announce her candicacy on her twitter site. (she has a handful of followers of her ilk, maybe up to a dozen if that many.

Talk about massive delusions.

Viola-Alex
9/18/2011 06:32:05 am

@Mir - Concur! Yes, to better food. And maybe work in my favorite wine importer, Kermit Lynch, a Berkeley estab.

@LillyLily - yes, that post on Politicalgates is chilling but not surprising. Some great sleuthing by P+K on the pedophile music teacher (hmmmm. wonder if he taught Sarah the flute?) and Chuck Palin's involvement with the principal who didn't investigate complaints.

Mir
9/18/2011 07:34:00 am

@ Viola-Alex

I raise a glass of Kermit Lynch's best Domaine Tempier Bandol Rose in your honor!

Oh, the parties we can have when/if this is ever over!

Viola-Alex
9/18/2011 07:40:09 am

@Mir - omg. yes, indeed. one of my dearest favorites! I feel as if I have a virtual glass of the beauty in front of me, just to read your words. A brilliant distraction. Thank you.

nancydrewed link
9/18/2011 08:16:18 am

The post currently up at Politicalgates is a wonder -- real journalism being committed in 2011.

There are a lot of puzzle pieces that have been missing and my opinion is that this post fills in more blanks than meet the eye. Really a lot to ponder.

What do you all think? The sins of the father…

Balzafiar
9/18/2011 08:34:52 am

@nancydrewed: In particular I am curious about the trust that laundered the $140K to the Palins.

My first thought: was it taxpayer money being misdirected to personal use? Since Sarah is involved, most likely.

Anyone on board know how to decipher all the info surrounding the Trust transactions?

Mir
9/18/2011 08:38:55 am

@anacydrewed

I just read the Politicalgates post and had a flash of memory that someone posted here recently about a trust fund and Mary Ellan (with an "a") Moe, a friend of Sally Heath's who got her hooked up with their fundie church.

There was also something about child abuse and a court case in that post, saying that newly revealed information about this situation had made Sarah suddenly resign as Governor.

I can't find that post now (it may have come from Immoral MInority, originally). I can't help thinking that someone at Politicalgates should take a look at that post.

Can anyone help me find it?

curiouser
9/18/2011 09:02:50 am

Balzafiar -

The democraticunderground comment about the mortgage on the Palins property and the Carter Living Trust started some unfortunate rumors due to misinterpretation of the online records. Unlike much of what we see about the Palins, the Heaths, and Ray Carter, the mortgage transaction appears to have been handled properly. I hope this helps.

The $140,000 loan, recorded on Nov. 8, 1994, was made to the Palins as a mortgage at the time they purchased their Lakeview Drive home. The mortgage holders received a deed of trust on the property, giving them a $140,000 interest in the property. Private mortgages function in the same way as a bank mortgage. They aren’t at all unusual although there is a potential for tax abuse regarding loan interest.

The mortgage holders:
*Raymond and Kristine Carter as Trustees for the Raymond L and Kristin M Carter Living Trust
*Amy Carter
*Chuck and Sally Heath

A living trust is not mysterious. It’s a financial instrument that’s most frequently used to avoid probate. The Carters, as trustees of their own trust, maintained control of the assets in the trust.

The Heaths had NO apparent control over the Raymond and Kristine Carter Living Trust. It’s simply wrong to conclude otherwise based on the online records.

The interest rate, repayment terms and the portion of the mortgage held by the individual mortgage holders can’t be determined from the online record. It’s possible that the Carters loaned a small amount and that repayment went to them first. They may not have loaned any money at that time and the mortgage was used to reimburse them for an earlier loan. There are lots of possible scenarios; but, whatever the details, the Carters transferred their interest in the mortgage to the Heaths, recorded on June 6, 1996, indicating they were no longer owed any money from the loan and no longer had an interest in the Lakeside Dr. property.



Balzafiar
9/18/2011 09:24:54 am

@curioser: Thanks for the explanation.

I'm one of those people that, when confronted with legalese, slip rapidly into a catatonic state. When I've finally recovered, I usually have no idea what was said. :-)

Just kidding, really. If it's in reasonably plain language I can understand just fine. It's just that when confronted with convoluted transactions it's sometimes hard to untangle the facts.

All that aside I will continue to question anything the Palins do or say. It just makes sense to do so.

Moe trust fund & child abuse
9/18/2011 09:25:54 am

I've been collecting comments about the Moe trust fund & child abuse and thought I'd put them all here. They tell quite a story.

Cast of characters:
Elizabeth Moe = Elizabeth Ann Jackson
Mary Ellan Moe = mother (adoption) and Palin/Sally Heath friend
Daniel Rene Jackson = ex-husband, accused rapist, ABI case # 06-7633
Brooks E. Jackson = brother-in-law, long-unsolved rape of 8-year-old girl and marijuana grow operation

Celia Harrison (frozenjustice.blogspot.com) said... September 06, 2009
Judy wrote ...someone in the valley named Elizabeth Moe who posts under the name moelogger
I just spoke with Elizabeth Moe who was willing to talk to me about Palin. She sounds like a very strong person and says she is not afraid of Palin. She said she had a large trust fund as a child and was adopted by people who were close friends of Palin. Somehow the adoptive parents got her money and she believes Palin got some of it from them. It may be tied up with some oil money she said. She also mentioned Palin had an afair with someone she appointed to work on the PFD and a lot of money was missing, but then got put back. She says the feds are invesitgating and that she actually reported several things Palin did. She does not read the blogs usually as she is very busy. I told her a little about my story and she told me several people I should call or email about it. All people well known to everyone. She is also saying something big is coming. She never answered my questions about the fire.
Her story does sound crazy just like mine. What I always say about my story is if it hadn't happened to me I would not believe it, but it's all true. 5:49 PM
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2009/09/max-blumenthal-reveals-frightening.html

Moe trust fund & child abuse 2
9/18/2011 09:27:11 am

Daniel Rene Jackson...ABI case # 06-76332... Raped a 4 yr old girl, a 4 yrl old boy and another 2 yr old boy for years...tried to kill the children and mother...Palmer District Attorney won't prosecute because Palin says it will interfere with her money ambitions and keeping the kids in turmoil is God's Will...just remember Palin - God will Bless those that Bless you....GOD WILL CURSE THOSE THAT CURSE YOU!!!! Palin Shouldn't have cursed that young woman and crucifed her children..
Unknown source, date and blog 2010 - 2011


Anonymous on January 26, 2011 4:45
ABI Case number 06-76332 about a child rapist that Palin convinced the Palmer DA to not prosecute because the children were not worth it? or could it be the finanical genocide she inflicts on a mother and her children becase she wants them to MOVE?
Her mother and Palin's best friend came over to the mothers house in 1998 and tried to convince her to move...when she didn't? American Domestic Terrorism...then there is severe domestic violence.
or how about the Trooper Wooten who didn't arrest the SOB when he pointed a 9mm at the mother? or left a rifle and released him? how about a coniviction of violation of DVPO being erased so the rapist could drive a school bus?
or how about going after her employment with the MSBSD and when they didn't fire her They went after her oldest by sending in a kid to start a fight..or how about no child support for 7 years now?
or the Commisioner of Revenue being killed by a seatbelt error? Same hanger as Todd's plane?
or how about the mother sending an email to Palin's best friend Mary Ellan Moe dated July 3rd and then Palin shakily resighed less than 24 hours later?
http://alaskawtf.blogspot.com/2011/01/apd-statement-notice-no-mention-of.html#comments
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/01/almost-time-to-tweet-twits-tragic.html

Moe trust fund & child abuse 3
9/18/2011 09:28:22 am

Anonymous said... This is what a few where looking for to read again.
"Anonymous said...
now where is the part where Todd Palin was involved in a murder of a prostitute on KJB (Knik Goosebay Road, Wasilla) that was native? Or the getting a IBEW electrician to tape a girl that they just can't KILL or get to MOVE?
ABI Case number 06-76332 about a child rapist that Palin convinced the Palmer DA to not prosecute because the children were not worth it? or could it be the finanical genocide she inflicts on a mother and her children because she wants them to MOVE?
Her mother and Palin's best friend came over to the mothers house in 1998 and tried to convince her to move...when she didn't? American Domestic Terrorism...then there is severe domestic violence. or how about the Trooper Wooten who didn't arrest the SOB when he pointed a 9mm at the mother? or left a rifle and released him? how about a coniviction of violation of DVPO being erased so the rapist could drive a school bus?
or how about going after her employment with the MSBSD (Mat-Su Borough School District) and when they didn't fire her?
They went after her oldest by sending in a kid to start a fight..or how about no child support for 7 years now? or the Commissioner of Revenue being killed by a seatbelt error?
Same hanger as Todd's plane? or how about the mother sending an email to Palin's best friend Mary Ellan Moe dated July 3rd and then Palin shakily resigned less than 24 hours later? HUGE reasons like a trust fund that belongs to the mother with children that Palin and Moe's didn't want her to find moreless take back January 26, 2011 4:45 PM
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/01/sarah-palin-defends-todd-against.html
http://alaskawtf.blogspot.com/2011/01/apd-statement-notice-no-mention-of.html#comments

HUGE reasons like a trust fund that belongs to the mother with children that Palin and Moe's didn't want her to find moreless take back...well I got folks in Washington DC and global contacts who know of Palin's actions and motives...eat that Joe and see you on the battlefield...lock and reload baby here I come...hahahahaha.....in the War Zone!!!
http://alaskawtf.blogspot.com/2011/01/apd-statement-notice-no-mention-of.html#comments
http://malialitman.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/sarah-speaks-about-the-prostitution-allegations/


No Name
There is a case where DNA confirmed the rape of an 8 yr old girl in 1991...and the dude who did it was Todd's weed supplier...remember Palin " whats wrong with a joint now and then?" yea hows that working for ya now dear...and Todd and your MEAN GIRL SYNDROME cost the lives of children who were raped...and why you all ask that she did this?
MONEY – HUGE money that doesn't even belong to her...see she is best buds with those educated thieves that very well planned an execution of an infant who was brought in and they took the money and ran...Alaska has no statute of limitations for rape....thanks to Frank...and Sarah went nuts...can't control that can you...oh and domestic-terrorism???
The dude that DNA linked him to a 20 yr old case of rape of a 8 yr old girl...Todd was in knee deep with their sex parties and coke parties and killing prostitutes...some ended up cut up and floating in the Anchorage waters...now do you all really want ANYONE who contracts to kill a mother and her children in the name of a trust account that isn't hers???
Read the Anchorage Daily News and look up the case and connect the dots folks...AKLAWDOG is on her case and will be brining it to the judges Palin didn't bribe or coherse to " drop the case " of rape of a child 1st degree times x2 kids...ask the Palmer Alaska District Attorney about all that...just give them a holler and tell them the feds told me to sue the State of Alaska...plan on it...see ya in court Palin...now lets get some media coverage of that...domestic-terrorism in Alaska...
That is why she won't come back to Alaska...scardy cat she is now and her minions keep up the stalking for her...now American is that...good old Palin and her evils...MAY GOD CURSE YOU Amen...see you in hell dear... August 31, 2011 02:36 am at 2:36 am |
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/30/palin-to-new-hampshire-again-in-labor-day-schedule-shuffle/

Moe trust fund & child abuse 4
9/18/2011 09:29:16 am

AKLAWDOG
Well folks I have carnal knowledge of thesepeoples...there was a case that in 2006 Govornor Frank Murkowskiordered a criminal investigation...then Palin got to office and itwent away...why??? Todd Palin was a customer of Brooks Jackson...and a pal in the sex parties and coke parties and killing and dumping prostitutes in Anchorage...and Sarah covered his ass...and why Monogan fought so hard...then got fired...Palin has a hold on folks whoBELIEVE her and her crap...meanwhile more children suffer...just likenow...ABI is looking into it...but is in the lower 48 to attend Palinat the Tea Party...aww somethings never change...or will it???And the mother Annette Jackson - raped her children and that is whythey rape now and kill and Todd just laughed all the way to the banknow he can choke on his DNA when the feds charge him with conspiracyto commit murder...some of the best cops in the world don't wear abadge...we cannot be bought or sold like Palins!
http://www.adn.com/2011/08/09/2007776/dna-sample-leads-to-solving-20.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#disqus_thread Comment removed ADN moderator
http://shaileytripp.yolasite.com/blog/bully 8/31/11


AKLAWDOGsays:August 31, 2011 at 1:59 PM
Well folks the ABI is interested in Palin for the following reasons: a20 yr old rape case was solved by a DNA sample given…the person whogave the DNA was busted for growing pot…Todd was a customer and was also involved in sex parties and coke parties and killingprostitutes…and throwing them in the ocean by Anchorage…there was a rape case of the brother of the DNA dude and in 2006 then GovernorFrank Murkowski ordered a criminial investigation…Palin got to officeand killed the case and it just sat dormant as kids think cops arestupid…now that DNA links the brother and a call was made and evidences brought forward…well…they are wondering why Palin and thelocal DA in Palmer didn’t prosecute the rapist…why? well folks when the mother of the children raped is worth a
HUGE ( as Levi indicatedin a GMA interview) amount of money and the money is gone its easier to ignore the obvious…and Monogan knew of it and fought with Palinabout it and he got fired…Wooten had the rapist in his custody in 2003and just released him…can anyone say Karen Loffeler???
She is thefederal attorney general for the state of alaska…and gave permissionto sue the State…
Just the tip of the iceburg folks…read ADN about itor CNN about Palin…someone is not happy…
Can you blame them? WhatPalin will do for money – even when it was never hers to begin with…
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Moe trust fund & child abuse 5
9/18/2011 09:30:21 am

AKLAWDOG said on Wednesday, Aug 31 at 10:29 PM
Well that doesn't suprise me...Trooper Wooten had a rapist in his custody after pulling a gun and threating to kill his wife...and then considering the DNA that solved a 20 year case was his brother tells me someone did not want him in jail and who is Wooten connected to at that time was Sarah Palin herself...just ask the Palmer DA why they would not prosecute a child rapist of not one but two children...one child since age 4 to 14 and she thought it was normal...and a male in the shower for about 3 yrs...lovely justice system we have in Alaska.. Least populated and highest in revenue but we are NUMBER ONE in the nation for rape... What is wrong with that formula Parnell... What if your kids got raped...ask God to forgive them hu?? hows that gonna work out in a court of law soon??? wait and see...stay tuned folks its not over yet...THANKS TO FRANK! Remember that now...might have been a fat cat who liked his jet but mess with children and he came undone and fixed it good...Thanks Frank!
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Anonymous said... on Thu, 08 Sep 2011
hi Granny Palin,
You just can't wait til this film is released can ya? I bet you are all tingly just imagining what kind of stuff Nick might have packed in there from Wooten, Laura, Lyda, and other stuff. Maybe even things you've forgotten.

Like ABI Case number 06-76332 the rapist that you convinced the Palmer DA to not prosecute because the children were not worth it.

Or how about the mother sending email to Mary Ellan Moe dated July 3rd and then your shaky resignation less than 24 hours later?

Also, too, don't forget that Malia Litman is going to get the case re-opened on the tax credit thing, because she now has email and a document proving you discussed making the TV show BEFORE you quit as Governor.

And just by the way, you really ought to just stick to one size of boobs for your appearances, cuz most of us know that you're wearing something. And it's pathetic. 1:56 PM
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/09/wall-street-journal-interview-with-nick.html

Moe trust fund & child abuse final
9/18/2011 09:34:27 am

AzureGhost 9/18/11
...I wonder if this trust fund may be connected to Elizabeth Moe, who is the adopted child of Mary Ellan Moe (a close friend of Sally and Chuck Heath). Elizabeth is who I suspect has been posting under the name of AKlawdog and SoldierofFortunes on various blogs and who has accused the Palins of stealing her trust fund.

Here's part of one comment that was posted using her Facebook account:

...MONEY....and she is running hard from me...posted a warning to her to
adhere to USA laws of embezzlement of my trust fund and she has it removed...no
surprise to me...see our parents have been BF since the 1950's and I was
adopted and such a "treasure to adopt" - my cash value factor was in 1989
$108.401500 dollars

Unfortunately, the link I had to the page with this comment no longer works.
http://politicalgates.blogspot.com/2011/09/rogue-by-joe-mcginniss-draws-attention.html#disqus_thread

curiouser
9/18/2011 09:36:09 am

Balzafiar - Did my explanation help or was there too much 'legalese'? Please let me know if I should try again.

FrostyAK
9/18/2011 09:58:16 am

I don't doubt the validity of some or all of the stuff on Moe, though have not heard a word of it locally. It would be damned good reason for her to resign... maybe she was to be let off the hook if she did resign?

Most of us figured it was something criminal that made her leave office. But then the FBI came out with a very strange statement, something they NEVER do - to say that no, they were not investigating her on criminal charges. If not the FBI, then maybe another agency? Or maybe the MONEY that controls the government told them to stand down and shut up?

Has anyone finally gotten the FEDS to look into the above allegations? If so, what was the response? Has anyone asked Phil Munger about this? Not that his word on it would be gospel...

I would be very happy to see $P finally dressed in an orange jumpsuit for life. She has hurt Alaska irreparably.

curiouser
9/18/2011 09:59:32 am

Laura and Clarity - The mystery in 'Finding Clarity' was secondary for me to...well, Clarity discovering herself and the characters around her. As for future adventures, I expect her confidence and sleuthing skills may increase; hopefully, she'll stay spunky and funny.

Balzafiar
9/18/2011 10:19:40 am

@curiouser: Your explanation was great and I understood it just fine.

In my first reply I was referring to the legalese in documents in general, not your reply.

curiouser
9/18/2011 10:55:06 am

Balzafiar - Thanks for letting me know.

Mir
9/18/2011 11:10:58 am

Many thanks to the person who sent in all the Mary Ellan Moe material!

Ottoline
9/18/2011 11:16:33 am

Yes, many thanks for having it all together, whoever sent it in. I sure wish I understood it.

Conscious at last
9/18/2011 11:51:06 am

Why would the Carters decide to transfer their interest in the trust to the Healths? It was a large asset - No?

Tom link
9/18/2011 11:52:17 am

The Clint Eastwood character from 'High Plains Drifter' needs to ride into Wasilla and paint that town red. The Palin clan don't get it that they're the bad guys, the ones everybody'd hate in the movie, the ones that the drifter would kill mercilessly and ride on.

Tom link
9/18/2011 12:58:07 pm

RE: my last comment. That's what happens in the movies. Nobody deserves being killed for wrongs, just punished. I was eating dinner and thought I better make that distinction. We could use a less violent high plains drifter.

Tom link
9/18/2011 01:00:45 pm

Re: my last comment. That's what happens in the movies. Nobody deserves that in real life. Just wanted to make that distinction--punished, not killed.

curiouser
9/18/2011 01:53:50 pm

Conscious at last - I'm not sure if all of this applies to your question but please bear with me and I hope it clear things up.

There are two trusts that show in the online record:
1) The Carters Living Trust. The Carters bank accounts or an investment account, etc. is legally in the name of their living trust. Ray and Kristine are the trustees and any money that goes in or out is no different than if there was no trust. It works like a regular bank account.

2) Deed of Trust. This represents the share of the property given as a guarantee for the mortgage loan. If a mortgage loan isn't paid as agreed, the lender can even force the sale of the property to get their money back.

Amy Carter, Ray and Kristine Carter, Trustees, and the Heaths pooled $140,000 into a mortgage loan for the Palins. Each of the them got an interest in the Deed of Trust which basically meant they owned a share of the property.

We don't know how much money the Carters put in of the total $140,000 original loan. Say, for example, they took $5,000 from their bank account (i.e. living trust) and that all of the Palins monthly mortgage payments went toward paying off that $5,000. When they had all their money back, the Carters no longer had an interest in the loan or the property. So, the Deed of Trust was changed in 1996 to reflect that the remaining loan was owed only to the Heaths and only the Heaths had a right to that portion of the property if the Palins imploded and ran off to join the circus.

Another example would be that the Heaths directly paid back the money loaned by the Carters.

curiouser
9/18/2011 01:57:15 pm

I just turned on the Emmys. For what it's worth, Tina Fey definitely looks postpartum after giving birth on Aug. 10.

Ottoline
9/18/2011 02:36:33 pm

ConsciousAL and Curiouser: So it sounds like the Palins bought a house in 1994 and got a loan for it from this trust, and they paid it back in 1996. She took office as Mayor of Wasilla in 1996. I wonder what happened that she suddenly had all this money to repay the loan with? Or perhaps Palin repaid the loan with a favor of some kind?
Or maybe they just refinanced it with a bank loan and repaid the debt and then made mortgage payments to the bank.

eclecticsandra
9/18/2011 02:50:32 pm

Was up until 2:30 a.m, finishing Clarity. I hope to see more of her and think a film script would be easy. The visual pictures you paint are great.

Clarity reminds me of myself in my 40's. I suppose you had a similar identification. You should keep her growing as you grow.

She is tenacious and humble. Wonderful combination. She can get people to unload to her because she isn't threatening. She is clear on her priorities but willing to change direction. I think Andy is a little too vague. Give him some life.

I found a couple of problems that I am surprised your editors didn't catch. I would love to do proofreading. You have my email.

curiouser
9/18/2011 03:38:06 pm

Ottoline - The Palins got the loan from the Heaths and the Carters. Forget about the Carter Living Trust which is just a legal name that is essentially the same as the Carters themselves.

The Carters got their money back. And remember that we don't know how much that was. The whole mortgage loan wasn't paid off. The Palins continued to owe money...but just to the Heaths.

Ottoline
9/18/2011 04:19:51 pm

curiouser: so let's say I wanted the Carters to give me some money, but I didn't want anyone to know how much, and I might not even know at the start (1994) how much I wanted to collect. I'd do that deal, and two years later I would know how big the favor I had done them was -- like some business oppty that as mayor I could now toss their way. And then two yrs later (1996) we would decide how much of the loan the Carters would "forgive." Because we do not know how much was from the Heaths and how much was from the Carters, it could be that 99% was from the Carters, and they would forgive almost all of the loan, or it could be some other %. And the amount I'd owe the Heaths is in the family, so I could pay it back or not, depending on family dynamics and pvt agreements.

Right? Is this a reason one might want to do such a deal?

curiouser
9/18/2011 04:41:23 pm

Ottoline - Yup! Could be. Another reason for such a loan would have been for the Carters to get interest income and the Palins to get a lower interest rate than they could get from a bank. Sometimes private loans are made when someone can't qualify for a bank loan.

The Carters made several other mortgage loans so it seems to be something they did as an investment.

junasie14
9/18/2011 11:13:34 pm

I'd like to add some information to the collection of comments regarding Elizabeth Moe. I was intrigued by her comments as well when I first read them on the old Palingates blog back in June 2009. Regina summarized them in a post she wrote a few days later on June 24th: "There's a new gate looming. Some guy has been posting some interesting stuff on various blogs. He visited us on June 20 and also left comments on Bob Lynn's blog." (AK State Rep.)

I don't think the original comments from June 20th show up in that post anymore - something to do with the subsequent switch to Disqus, if I remember correctly - but Regina's summary can be seen here:

http://tinyurl.com/3rltmmv

My curiosity was piqued by her mention of Ritcher Investments. I did some research at the time, and found that this same person had been posting as 'moelogger' on a forum called Bikers for Christ, where she mentioned having a neighbor whose house burned down. Given all he speculation on the blogs about mysterious fires in Wasilla, this line really got my attention: "Palin panicked and quit...didn't you see her 'twitter' on TV? Well then one shouldn't burn houses down... especially the wrong one!" (I took notes on all this but thought I had lost them, until I found them on an older computer I don't use anymore.)

I commented about this on Gryphen's blog, which then prompted Celia Harrison to contact Elizabeth Moe directly. Celia said she found her story credible, although she never got any answers to her questions about the fire. (It would be interesting to know if she lived near the nurse who died in the fire.) I never knew what to make of any of it because she made so many bizarre and cryptic statements all over the place without ever explaining anything, yet was very open about who she was.

Here's one example from something I saved, where she is responding to a blog post in Sept 2008 by a guy (coincidentally) named Tom Moe - a Vietnam vet and fellow POW in the same prison as McCain - and subsequently Chairman of Ohio Veterans for McCain:

Anonymous said...

Hello Moe this is Moe...over...
In Alaska trying to survive a urban war..not getting as much done as I would like to..they are really attacking Sarah...know the girl..our parents are best friends and I have jumped on a beer box to stomp some butts when they get "nasty" language at her going..just trying to protect her and some don't like that..over... I have been told by Vietnam vets some of the best soldiers in the world don't belong to an army - we belong forever to God and humanity over ...want to find out more about me... check out this: BikersforChrist.com - moesshop or moelogger...or..
Try IraqWarVeterans.com - moelogger

Remember our service to God, our Country and the people...

And thank you for yours...you are not alone...

Elizabeth Moe
Moe's Shop Logging
Houston, Alaska

So she appears to be defending Palin here, yet expresses total animosity towards her in other comments.

Another strange aspect to her story is that she claims to have been adopted by very close friends of the Palins, and mentions Mary Ellan Moe in some of her comments, as being in cahoots with those who stole from the trust fund she claims to be a beneficiary of. Given her last name, it was logical to assume that she is the adopted daugher of Mary Ellan and Chuck Moe who were indeed close friends of Sarah’s parents. When I tried to get more information on this, I discovered that an Elizabeth Ann was searching for her birth parents on a genealogy website in 2007. These two queries were made by someone calling themselves Moe -- http://www.cousinconnect.com/d/a/135966:

Submitted by Moe

Feb 2, 2007:
"Looking for birth parents. Born 01-12-1966 in Washington state. Adopted at 6 months old. Need to get a hold of them. Lutheran Social Services. thank you"

April 30, 2007:
"Looking for my birth parents. Was named Elizabeth Ann. Born 01-12-1966 in Richland, Washington. Mother might have been a nun or a nurse or both. Got adopted at 6 months old and relocated to Anchorage, Alaska in 1967. Would like to know what happened to my father. Where is he and who is he
and did he know of my existence. Who is he? If you know anything - e-mail me.

First of all, this woman was born in Richland, WA??!! Another coincidence?? I believe this is the same Elizabeth Ann Moe because her Facebook page said she graduated from Wasilla High in 1984, which would make her 18 then if born in 1966. But it’s hard to see how she could have been adopted by Mary Ellan and Chuck Moe. Mary Ellan grew up in Texas, moved to AK in 1970, and married Chuck Moe in 1971. Elizabeth would have been 5 years old then. So they could not have been the people who adopted her at 6 months old and moved her to Anchorage in 1967 as she said. Maybe something happened to the first couple who brought her to Anchorage and she was then adopted a second time by the Moes? I also have no idea how she would have an interest in the Carter f

junasie14
9/18/2011 11:17:48 pm

(cont.) The woman does sound a bit unhinged in many of her posts, and says some pretty weird stuff out of context in other comments, but like everything else connected to Sarah, the more you dig, the wider the web becomes. So many coincidences…

Laura Novak link
9/19/2011 12:19:21 am

Mir, thank you! I actually do have a Clari Drake mystery planned for the Gourmet Ghetto! Great minds, as they say. And to the rest of you, thank you again for reading and commenting on Finding Clarity!!

New post soon!

Karen
9/19/2011 12:23:05 am

All the Moe Trust Fund posts are creepy individually, but Extremely creepy when you read them all in one place. I'm not sure what to think and just have this awful feeling in the pit of my stomach reading it.
I have wondered if anyone has tried to do a follow-up story to the Dar Miller or church fire. There have been several mentions that the police are not willing to release records on those incidents. A news story on how a reporter tries to cover something that the authorities are stonewalling would be worth writing, in my opinion. Much like Malia's failed attempts at getting a straight answer on any number of things, from the ADP Shailey Tripp/NE denial to the state film incentive legislation that paid out for "Sarah Palin's Alaska."

Viola-Alex
9/19/2011 01:27:12 am

@Karen - agree totally with the creepy feeling that comes from reading the Moe stories in one place. (I had run into a comment here and there, and it always read painfully genuine, as written by a tortured person.) Especially, the references to fire, adoption, and madness (word salad). Add all of this to the post on Politicalgates about the pedophile elementary teacher, and Wasilla more and more becomes for me a dangerous hellhole, particularly for a child.

Thanks to all of you who saved these comments. You're more thorough, more curious than professional journalists, and the breadth of this community astonishes me.

Karen
9/19/2011 01:52:27 am

I should have said thanks to the Moe poster.

Like you, Viola, I have read these here and there but never compiled them. Boy are they fricking disturbing! Tortured is the right word.

It just seems like such a huge vortex to get into and, if true, a near impossibility to nail. That was why I was pivoting to the Dar Miller fire or the church fire to perhaps poke the hornets' nest and see if any truth wiggles out.

Lynn
9/19/2011 02:23:34 am

Re: Sequel becoming more serious- it can work. Dark and funny can be a great combination. I guess we're back to Irving again! Also, too, Anne Tyler and Jeffrey Eugenides, and maybe even David Sedaris without quite so much dysfunction.

MoeTF commenter
9/19/2011 02:26:47 am

@junasie14
Great research! I think Carter living trust/mortgage and Moe trust fund are 2 different things. How many balls do the Palins have in the air?

Moe was pro-palin Sept 2008
Legal defense fund was set up April 2009
Moe anti-palin comments seem to start June 2009.
Palin resigns July 2009.

Timeline seems to fit!?

The 5 year gap between marriage and adoption is a puzzler, but Mary Ellan Moe's husb Charles does have connections to Wash state, at least 2 towns less than 60 miles from Richmond.

Laura Novak link
9/19/2011 02:55:59 am

Thank you, Lynn. Your kind words mean so much. And your advice, also, too!

New thread up. Wide open for any topic except bashing Obama. :-)

everspring
9/19/2011 04:51:01 am

Hmmm.... Washington State and the Moe's family. How many connections does Palin have to Washington? What about families with the name Moe in them? So, Dr. Moe Chaudry probably has nothing to do with these Moe's and Washington, but in SP's world there is no such thing as coincidence. Someone on IM posted a mysterious comment about Dr. Moe Chaudry in May 2010. He was CEO of Sitka Community Hosp for a couple years. Tried to resign in 2007, but couldn't or didn't, then ultimately resigned summer of 2008. He came from Washington State, and has since gone back there to spend more time with family in Richmond. (Note: while Chaudry was the nursing home administrator of Leon Sullivan Nursing Home in Seattle, the facility allegedly failed to notify a patient’s family of a medical emergency, failed to investigate sexual abuse incidents and failed to report incidents.)

Rabbit vibrators link
4/29/2013 03:32:11 pm

Can I just say what a relief to find someone who actually knows what they’re talking about on the internet? You definitely know how to bring an issue to light and make it important.


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