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The Insurance Dilemma - A Guest Post by Palinoia

9/13/2011

 
This post is comprehensive and complicated. Take your time reading it. H/T to Palinoia for sharing her expertise in the insurance industry. These are her views and her assumptions. But she has built this post like a page-turning mystery. Take it away, Palinoia:

Who paid for Trig's Medical Costs? Some possible answers, and as always, more unanswered questions (surprise!), Part I

Presented by Palinoia who has worked for the past 27 years in some area of healthcare, with most of those years within the range of health insurance benefits and coverage in the following settings:

Acute care / hospitals; skilled nursing facilities; case management and discharge planning; major insurance carriers and insurance brokerages dealing with insurance benefits, eligibility, authorizations, claims, and sales.

Updated Insurance Info, September 2011.

Original research completed: January 2009.

To date, I don't believe there has ever been a comprehensive deep-dive examination of the insurance questions around Trig. I believe that insurance coverage or lack thereof, may have played a significant factor in the birth of the pregnancy hoax - which is the only birthin' Sarah did, in my humble opinion. When you are done wading through this very lengthy post, I think you'll see WHY no comprehensive posts have been made regarding the insurance and coverage questions!

Before diving into the potential unpaid medical bills and the AFT connection, the bulleted information below is the basis on which this connection rests. There are some things to remember as you read along (supported by photographic evidence and preponderance of circumstantial evidence, and well documented statements by Sarah Palin that strongly contradict reality):

1. Sarah Palin did not give birth to the child known as Trig Palin on 4/18/2008, nor any other date.

·       Review all the shape shifting photos of the 3 week pregnancy

·       Review the ludicrous "Wild Ride" story

·       Review all of Sarah's revisions to the "Wild Ride" story

2. Sarah Palin appears to lie with ease, proven time and time again, even over inconsequential things (like the weather!)

·       Way too many instances of lying to document fully/reference here

3. Sarah Palin seems incurious and uninterested in learning, and routinely makes up her own reality of any given situation, including Paul Revere's Ride.

4. Sarah Palin has a sense of entitlement and no regard for ethics, personal boundaries, laws and regulations, i.e., "I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't."

·       Again, way too many instances to document here

Assumptions (based on the preponderance of circumstantial evidence)

1. Bristol Palin may have given birth to child known as Trig Palin.

·       Rumors of her being pregnant during the suspect time frame, well ahead of Palin's VP candidacy

·       5 month absence compatible with pregnancy time frame of Trig

·       Proof per her My Space comments and her own ghost written narrative of being sexually active starting at age 15.

2. Trig Palin was likely born much earlier than the stated 4/18/2008 DOB. Possibly January, February, or early March. I lean towards a late January / Early February 2008 date of birth, prior to Bristol's auto accident 2/8/08.

·       We now have proof that Sarah "pre-wrote" her "Heavenly Creator" Trig letter, well before his stated date of birth. She wrote it and sent it to herself on 4/7/08, 11 days before he supposedly arrived. This lends more credence to her knowing all the details and his condition prior to 4/18/08.

·       I believe she knew his condition because he was already born, not because of pre-natal testing.

3. Trig Palin was born prematurely, and possibly very premature, and may have had significant health issues, requiring an NICU stay.

·       It would not be hard to believe the pre-maturity assumption if "Ruffles" was the original baby born to Bristol, based on his/her delicate fragile appearing condition, and birth defect ear.

·       One photo seems to show the lines of a nasal canula on Trig, and it appears this is a photo of the baby called "Ruffles".

4. Trig Palin may have been adopted by Sarah & Todd Palin (or not).

·       Levi says she "nagged" him and Bristol about adopting their child. He states she wanted to adopt Tripp, but there may be reason to believe it was actually Trig she was trying to adopt, since the timing of a Tripp adoption didn't make sense to many of us.

·       Sarah may have had insurance reasons to adopt Trig, aside from all the political bonus points of faking the pregnancy, explained later in this document.

5. Neither here nor there, but my assumption: if Bristol is the birth mother, then I also believe she did not know of the DS diagnosis prior to his birth, and it came as a surprise to all.

·       It would not be common to have anything other than the routine pre-natal testing done due to Bristol's age and certainly not an Amnio.

·       Hardly any of Sarah's DS diagnosis narrative lines up re: ultrasound thick neck statement; having an Amnio at all, much less at 13 weeks, etc.

With the assumption that Bristol is the birth mother and that Trig was born prematurely prior to 4/18/08, I'll outline how I arrived at the possibility of large uninsured medical bills for Trig. Not everyone will buy into this line of thinking but after a very long career in health insurance, I feel I have at least some level of expertise in reading insurance summaries, requirements, etc. I will reference all the documents and/or web links so you can read for yourselves.

First, I will talk about "industry standards" for health insurance, particularly employer group insurance. Even though group insurance contracts and benefits can vary from state to state, there are some common elements to every group insurance contract. It is VERY common for employer group insurance to provide maternity benefits (some/most states require this for group coverage). Because of that, plans that cover maternity also cover maternity/delivery costs for pregnant dependents. This means that when your 16-year-old daughter turns up pregnant, their maternity and delivery will be covered by your group plan, provided she is already on the plan as your dependent child. What 99% of insurance contracts will NOT allow is adding the newborn of your daughter (or son for that matter) to your coverage without you, the grandparent, having legal custody/guardianship/adoption of said grandchild. In my entire career, I have yet to come across an individual medical plan or employer group plan that allows adding grandchildren as eligible dependents absent the legal arrangements outlined above. Granted, there could be some plans in some states that would allow it, but it would be way outside what the industry standard is for definitions of eligible dependents. Please remember, also, too, Trig was born before the healthcare reform bill, so none of that would have applied at the time Trig was born (like requiring coverage to age 25, etc).

With that said, I did lots of research in early 2009 regarding the potential health insurance coverage options for Trig if he was born to Bristol.  I'm not going to bore you with the full on details, as you'd probably go cross-eyed reading it all and probably will anyway. I investigated the following potential insurance coverage for him: 

  1. Todd’s Union BP/USW Coverage (United Steel Workers)
  2. Medicaid / DenaliCare
  3. ACHIA (Alaska's State High Risk Pool)
  4. IHS / Native coverage
  5. Sarah’s State of Alaska Health Insurance Coverage
What follows is the shortened version of my findings, and outstanding questions.

1. Todd's BP/Union Coverage via United Steel, Paper and Forestry, Rubber, Manufacturing, Energy, Allied Industrial & Service Workers International Union (USW) (multiple sources via Google cite Todd Palin as a member of this union):

We simply do not know if Todd had their children covered on his plan. I did find documentation that he took a leave from BP when Sarah started her Half-Governorship, but he returned to work later in 2007, so I think it is safe to guess that if he didn't waive coverage in lieu of pay, he was probably covered by his Union plan. That still doesn't answer whether the kids were covered on his plan or not. I was able to find the USW (the main parent union of his subset union) plan document, and in it, the definition of “dependent”, Article I, Section 1.05, Page 3. It clearly does NOT include “grandchild” as an eligible dependent, so even if Bristol was covered on his plan, they could not have added Trig to his plan without some kind of legal action such as an adoption:

http://assets.usw.org/Health_and_Wellfare/Fund_Documents/plandocument.pdf

I also just found some more information right on BP's own website regarding their employee medical plan, which is probably what Todd's Union/BP coverage is patterned after. Since at least 2003, BP has contributed 80% of the premium cost towards employees and dependents, with the employee having a cost share of 20%. Additionally, I found more information on eligible dependents on BP's website, which does include grandchildren, but in this narrow circumstance:

"A grandchild who lives with you in a regular parent/child relationship for at least half the year and receives at least 50% of his/her financial support from you. This includes only a grandchild related to you by blood, marriage or domestic partnership whose parents do not live with the child and for whose daily care and guidance you are legally responsible."

That would seem to preclude adding Trig to Todd's coverage as a grandchild, since Bristol did live with them, and one could guess that BP would require proof of the grandparent's legal responsibility for their grandchild.

http://hr.bpglobal.com/LifeBenefits/Sites/Core/BP-Life-benefits/Employee-benefits-handbook/BP-Medical-Program/Eligibility-and-participation.aspx

2. Medicaid / DenaliCare:

This option would appear to be a dead end, as Bristol would have been a minor child, wherein family income guidelines to qualify for coverage would be followed. Without question, SP & Todd’s income level would disqualify Bristol from coverage, even if pregnant, and is evident if one reads the income guidelines shown here (2009 shown, but 2008 income levels would have been the same, or lower, not more):

http://www.hss.state.ak.us/dhcs/denalikidcare/pdfs_denalikidcare_misc/dkc09Incomeguidelines.pdf

3. ACHIA (Alaska Comprehensive Health Insurance Assoc) State High Risk Pool

Trig would not have had coverage through ACHIA due to their clear 6-month pre-existing condition language and his lack of eligibility under the Federally Defined Eligibility rules (Federally Defined Eligibility requires 18 months prior coverage, impossible for a newborn) that would have waived the pre-existing condition waiting period. Sourced from the ACHIA website eligibility guidelines.

4. IHS (Indian Health Services) Federally Sponsored Native Coverage

 

This section was the MOST difficult to research of all. More information has since come to light since I did the original research, namely the statement in Bristol's custody paperwork that Tripp is an enrolled member of the Curyung Tribal Council, and his medical is covered by IHS and the Alaska Native Medical Center. Of course, we would hope that this coverage for Tripp is factual since it was in legal documents, but who really knows? Sarah and Bristol didn't seem to have any problem with perjury (my opinion) when it came to Troopergate and the Kernell trial, so I have to wonder whether this was a true statement or not, in spite of being in court submitted legal documents.

We could assume that if Tripp (Bristol's son) is a tribal member, and Trig was also her son, then he could have also been a member and entitled to medical services. There is much to research about tribal membership / quantum blood requirements, etc. I have seen comments in one blog that there is no quantum blood requirement for membership in the Curyung Tribal Council if the dependent is a lineal descendent of a tribal member.  Maybe someone could actually research and get the definitive answer. If that isn't true and if there IS a quantum blood requirement, how much is required for membership in this tribe? Even so, would IHS / ANMC have covered Trig on a retroactive basis if he was entitled to IHS coverage as a tribal member, if it wasn't found out until later that he couldn't be added to any other coverage and was then added to tribal membership?

We have it fairly well documented that Todd is 1/8 Yup'ik per his own grandmother (ADN article quote). That would make Bristol 1/16, and Trig, if born to her, a mere 1/32nd. Many tribes require a minimum 1/4 Quantum Blood on a CIB card from the Bureau of Indian Affairs for membership. The requirement is up to the individual Tribal Councils. Again, is this a requirement or not, and if so, what is the Quantum Blood requirement for the Curyung Tribal Council? If they do have a Quantum Blood requirement requiring a CIB card from IHS, how long does it take to get a CIB card?

In spite of the questions regarding the native coverage outlined above and Tripp's apparent enrollment, I actually feel fairly safe in saying Trig was not covered by IHS, at least not initially, even if he was eligible. Why do I say this?

Let's go back to Sarah's work history for a moment, and Todd's as well. They both (prior to Quit Date) have a fairly long work history in the private / government sector that afforded each of them employer group medical insurance. Per IHS rules, ANY other insurance will be primary over the Native Coverage, including Medicaid. That means that IHS coverage is always the last to pay if there is other insurance. One also has to seek care from an IHS facility or get approval from IHS to go to a contract facility. Let's not forget Sarah's anti-Native stance, and underlying racist tendencies. She only threw out Todd's native heritage as a political ploy to paint a different image of herself, per her usual M.O. I think her record towards anything to do with the Native population is clear and the reality is much different than the image she has tried to put forth (think cookies on a plate).  I can completely see Sarah using hers or Todd's employer group insurance for Bristol and the rest of their children to avoid having to use anything that was "Native". Given this, and the likelihood that either (or both) her State plan or Todd's plan was covering Bristol's maternity care as a covered dependent, she would never have utilized the IHS coverage.

Let's also review Sarah's sense of entitlement and incuriosity and how that factors into the whole equation. Having spent so many years in health insurance, every year I get at least 2-3 calls wanting to know how policy holders can add a grandchild to a policy. "My daughter just had her baby", or "my daughter is pregnant and about to deliver, will she be able to add the baby to my policy", often at the last minute or after the baby is delivered when the claims start being denied. Many parents just assume that their insurance carrier will add the newborn for them, even if it isn't a grandchild, and is their own child - not true!  It varies by plan/insurance carrier, but to add your own child to your plan, at least a phone call at minimum is required, and more often than not, a dependent enrollment form is required. Again, that is when it is your own child, not your grandchild.

Why do people think they can add a grandchild? Because their daughter's maternity has been covered for the duration of the pregnancy, per plan benefits, and people just assume since the pregnancy/delivery is covered, so will the baby. Also, few people ever really read their insurance contracts/evidence of coverage (imagine Sarah reading her plan documents...yeah, I didn't think so...). The catch is that said baby has to be an eligible dependent to be added to the coverage. It just isn't that far of a reach to think that Sarah would assume she could add her first grandchild to her policy and not check into it before hand. Add in an unexpected premature birth and complications on top of it, and I am surmising that IHS/Native Coverage was never involved initially, and Sarah didn't worry about adding the baby until later...much later, once she found out there was a pile of unpaid medical bills and by then, to align with her official stated date of birth for Trig and cover her fake pregnancy.

On a side note, Alaska Native Medical Center does have an NICU, but I believe given the probable use of private insurance, Trig was not born at ANMC. He may have been born at Providence instead which also has an NICU. And if Providence or any hospital other than ANMC is where he began his life, then IHS probably didn't enter the picture until much later, if at all. I believe that Providence would be considered a CHS facility (Contract Health Services) and according to IHS, even eligible members have to contact their home tribe within 72 hours of emergency admittance to a CHS facility. How many of us think Sarah (or Bristol) would have done that if they had every intention of using private insurance? I think that may answer the retroactive coverage question. It could be they tried to enroll Trig much later than his birth (based on unpaid medical bills) to try and get IHS to cover the outstanding bills to no avail if they didn't notify within the 72-hour period.

See more info in the FAQ's here, the 72-hour notification information is in bold in the Health Care Away From Home Reservation:

http://www.ihs.gov/GeneralWeb/HelpCenter/CustomerServices/FAQ/

5. Sarah Palin’s State of Alaska Health Insurance

 

After scouring the web, I actually came up with pretty definitive proof that Sarah,Todd, and their children were covered on her State of Alaska medical insurance.

You can see the proof of their coverage in an excel spreadsheet that is still publicly available on the State's website. It is the Request For Proposal for the state's health insurance contract for 2009. This RFP was posted on 10/16/2008, along with a current census of state employees, their birthdates, and zip codes.Follow the link below and the document to open is on the right hand side attachment 9-1 TPA Census-Active - Redacted.xls  You'll find Sarah as employee number #3161, date of birth 19640211 (YYYY/MM/DD), Zip 99654, in the center list for Standard Medical. She also appears in the Dental and Vision tabs also, but with different employee #'s. Website linked below:

http://notes3.state.ak.us/pn/pubnotic.nsf/0/c793a11cec100748892574e40072a993?OpenDocument

Also, I located the actual premiums that Sarah would have paid from July 2008 to July 2009 for her medical, dental, and vision family rates. Important note: These premium cards (URL's are linked below) and the excel spreadsheet above are PROOF that her children were covered on her medical plan. Originally I was bummed because the Excel Employee Census above did not have dependents shown so I couldn't be sure if Todd and Sarah's children were covered on her plan or not, but then I noticed something else when reviewing the State's premium cards/rate information. Note that all premiums are for Employee AND family. There is only one single rate for the whole family and no other option. Some health plans (many or even most, in fact) would list an Employee only rate, Employee + Spouse rate, Employee + Child(ren) rate, and then the Family rate, for example. It is very clear that the State of Alaska does not offer employees any other choice than the whole family rate, which proves that Sarah would have had all of her children plus Todd on this coverage! I hate to even admit how long it took me to "see" this extra tiny little detail. I can't stress the importance of repeatedly going over every aspect of this pregnancy and unbelievable story, because you never know when you'll finally find something really important (like ears for example, or family rate only premiums) that you missed the first, second, third time around.

Her medical alone would have been $953.00 per month for the Standard medical plan. The rate for Standard Dental was $105.00 per month, and the Standard Vision was another $33.00 for a grand total of  $1091.00 per month for her family's medical, dental, and vision benefits. You can see the premium card for July 2008 to July 2009 showing the exempt/executive employee cost on the Wayback Machine (URL below). I could not locate the 2007/2008 Premium Card for exempt/executive employees, which is what she would have been paying at the time of Trig's arrival. I did find the 2006/2007 premium card and the total would have been $1054.00 for medical/dental/vision, so we can assume that 2007/2008 premiums would have fallen somewhere between the $1054.00 and $1091.00 amounts.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090501182548/http://www.state.ak.us/drb/ghlb/select-premcard-2008-2009.pdf

I also located the amount of benefit credits Sarah received from the state towards her benefit package. She received $851.00 per month in 2007/2008 as an exempt/executive employee (linked in the WayBack URL below). If the 2007/2008 premium costs were the same as the 2008/2009 premiums, she would have had to pay $240 out of her own paychecks to cover the difference. This would have been deducted on a pre-tax basis. Hey, think about it: this could have been yet another reason she collected so many days per diem for working in her house. That per diem money certainly would have helped offset most, if not all, of her extra benefits cost. Things that make you go hmmm....

http://web.archive.org/web/20080415185419/http://www.state.ak.us/drb/ghlb/2007-2008-benefit-credits.shtml

Now we'll continue looking into Sarah's actual benefits, and eligibility requirements on her State of Alaska coverage.

When I originally researched this option back in January 2009, I did find on the SOA (State of Alaska) website, actual eligibility requirements and required documentation to add dependents. In that document, it clearly stated that children added due to adoption, had to have their legal adoption paperwork submitted with their enrollment.  It also stated that natural children required a birth certificate. That document, as a stand alone document, disappeared from the SOA website a long time ago. Just as many readers remember there being a lot more photos on the SOA website that disappeared, I distinctly remember this document being on the website as well. Unfortunately, I didn't record the link I found it on, so I can't locate via the WayBack Machine. I did find the document again in two other locations. One was embedded to the state's special open enrollment paperwork for same sex partners; the other place was embedded to enrollment paperwork for Alaska Teachers.

Not too long ago, Blade at Sarah's Scandal's revisited the requirement of a providing a birth certificate to enroll Trig into Sarah's medical plan in a couple of blog posts. Several posters there doubted that a birth certificate was required because the Dependent Verification Document form was embedded to other documents, when I finally relocated it. See discussions at these links:

http://shesnohockeymom.blogspot.com/2010/12/email-revisited.html

http://shesnohockeymom.blogspot.com/2010/12/more-on-alaskas-birth-certificate.html

Yes!!! I just finally found the link where I originally found this Dependent Verification Form as a stand alone document, not embedded to any "special enrollment" forms. I believe originally it was right in the same section of the state's website that had the dependent enrollment add/change form. I had to scour Palin's Deceptions for my original "anonymous" post there and I actually did link to the document when it was a stand alone document on the SOA website. I originally posted it on Palin's Deceptions on January 11, 2009.

Using the WayBack Machine, you can view it here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20090501182917/http://www.state.ak.us/drb/ghlb/dependent-eligibility-documentation.pdf

I fully believe, still to this day, that the SOA DID require birth certificates (in addition to the enrollment form) to add newborns and legal paperwork plus a birth certificate for adopted children, and that is why the State emailed Sarah for a birth certificate. More on the birth certificate requirement coming up in Part II. Let's review the rest of what I found with regard to Sarah's state health plan and whether Trig could have been covered if she had tried to add him as her own, as her grandchild, or as an adopted child.

First we will start with the language on the Dependent Enrollment Form for AlaskaCare SelectBenefits, the state’s health insurance.

“Your dependent children up to 23 years of age only if they are:

➢ Your natural children, stepchildren, children of your same-sex partner, foster children placed through a State foster

child program, legally adopted children, children in your physical custody and for whom bona fide adoption proceedings

are underway, or children for whom you are legal, court-appointed guardian (if the child is not your or your same-sex partner’s natural born child, please include a copy of the adoption paper work or court orders);

➢ Unmarried and chiefly dependent upon the employee for support;

➢ Living with you in a normal parent-child relationship”

This language for dependent eligibility is stated on page 2 of the enrollment form here:

Located via wayback machine here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20090502135528/http://www.state.ak.us/drb/forms/ben032.pdf

Clearly, the language does not include “grandchild” or “dependent’s child”. Based on this, Trig is not eligible to be added to Sarah’s plan if he was really Bristol's baby, unless he was adopted, or had adoption proceedings in process, or court appointed guardianship by Sarah and Todd.

Also, there is a 30-day enrollment opportunity based on a “qualified event” in addition to the plan’s annual open enrollment period. The State of Alaska annual open enrollment is in May/June, for a July 1st effective date every year. The point being, if Trig was not added in the original 30 day period (from when he was supposedly born) where he would have been given a retro effective date starting with date of birth, the next available enrollment date would have been under the annual open enrollment for coverage that would begin on July 1st, 2008, subject to the same eligibility criteria for dependents as stated above.

“Qualified Events” are explained in the Enrollment Guide here on Page 2:

http://web.archive.org/web/20090510022757/http://www.state.ak.us/drb/ghlb/select/enrollment-guide-2009-2010.pdf

I also located the State’s SelectBenefits Insurance Handbook, and in it is some VERY interesting language. Page numbers referenced are the Adobe PDF page #’s, not the actual document page numbers.

From page 24 pdf / Page 4 document page number, Dependent Eligibility:

Your eligible dependents for health insurance benefits

include:

• Your spouse. You may be legally separated but not

divorced.

• Your children from birth up to 23 years of age only if they

are:

— your natural children, stepchildren, foster children

placed through a State foster child program, legally

adopted children, children in your physical custody and

for whom bona fide adoption proceedings are underway,

or children for whom you are the legal, court appointed

guardian;

— unmarried and chiefly dependent upon you for support;

—    living with you in a normal parent-child relationship;

This further confirms the information for dependent eligibility included on the Dependent Enrollment form. Grandchildren and dependents of dependent children are not allowed to be added to coverage, without benefit of formal adoption or legal guardianship.

From Page 66 pdf / Page 46 document page number, Pregnancy:

Pregnancy

Pregnancy and childbirth are covered like any other medical

condition as long as you are covered under the medical plan.

No pre-existing conditions limitations are applied.

Coverage is provided for a hospital stay for childbirth for at

least 48 hours following a normal delivery or 96 hours following

a cesarean delivery.

This clause means that Bristol, as a legally covered dependent on Sarah’s plan would have had her maternity and delivery costs covered, even if there were complications. This would have applied to Todd’s union coverage as well. It is standard insurance fare for dependent children’s maternity to be covered, if maternity coverage is provided by the plan and is not a plan exclusion.

From Page 67 pdf / Page 47 document page number, coverage of Newborn Care:

Newborn Care

Newborn care provided within the first 72 hours after birth is

covered. This includes nursery charges, physician’s services

and other routine care for a newborn child and is limited to 72

hours following the birth. Newborn services provided after 72

hours are not covered.

Charges for a newborn who has suffered an accidental injury,

illness, premature birth or other abnormal condition are

covered like any other medically necessary services.

This clause provides for Newborn Care / Coverage for 72 hours, including complications, even if the newborn is NEVER added/enrolled on the plan. So, this would mean that at most, Trig would have had 72 hours of coverage, provided the insurer didn’t enforce non-coverage because he was the “dependent of a dependent” vs. a dependent of the employee or employee’s spouse. The only way to get continued coverage for him after the 72 hours is over, is to have officially added him to coverage within the 30 day qualified event period.

This next section is where things get the most interesting of all. This next statement is HUGE, even if Sarah and Todd legally adopted Trig, or had legal guardianship.

From page 39 pdf / Page 19 document page number (and lots of other places in this document) regarding “Start of Coverage” (emphasis mine in the excerpt below).

New Dependents (emphasis added)

If you add new dependents, they are eligible for benefits immediately

unless they are confined in a hospital or a similar

institution (except for newborn natural children). Coverage

then begins when they are released from the facility.

So if you read this carefully, and JUST exactly as stated, imagine…. you have a premature baby (grandchild), whom you plan on adopting and who will be in the hospital facility for some time due to premature birth….Down Syndrome…jaundice…hole in his heart…and he is not your “natural” child…coverage would not begin until release from the facility…it sounds like a big fat unpaid hospital stay to me. If Trig was very pre-mature, this could have been hugely expensive. To read more about pre-mature NICU costs, here is a good case study and the cost involved to the family:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_25/b4089046084131.htm

As stated in the employee insurance handbook and according to AlaskaCare’s guidelines, coverage does not start until after discharge from the facility - “EXCEPT FOR NEWBORN NATURAL CHILDREN”. This clause clearly does not say natural OR adopted children, or children for whom one has legal guardianship. Only the words newborn “natural” children appears as the exception to this rule. This is extremely important language, because even if Sarah and Todd legally adopted Trig so they could add him as Sarah’s dependent, he would NOT be their “natural child”, and therefore coverage would not start until he was discharged from the facility. Just how long could he have been in the hospital? Do we believe Sarah’s version of events? Or something closer to the probable reality of a birth earlier than April 18th, with a longer hospital stay (possibly MUCH longer) including NICU time? Even if they had all the adoption paperwork in place almost immediately after his unexpected pre-mature birth, he would still not be covered until his release from the facility. OUCH!

I'd like to insert some additional food for thought here as well: Levi's claim that Sarah and Todd wanted to adopt Bristol's baby. If he was really talking about Trig (rather than Tripp), the fact that Sarah's grandchild could not be added to her policy without benefit of adoption could have been a compelling factor in her quest for adoption, especially if adopting would allow insurance coverage for otherwise uninsured medical bills. Again, I have to re-iterate here, once Sarah found out that the grandchild couldn't be added to her policy, and she needed to adopt instead so she could add him to coverage, this very well could have led her to start thinking up a fake pregnancy. This would allow her to present said infant as her own, save face of having an unwed teen daughter while she was on the short list for VP, as well as her reinforce her "pro-life" creds with the right wing since she knew of the DS after the birth. Also, too, the timing just makes sense. If Trig appeared late Jan/Early Feb, or prior to Valentine's according to Anon238, Sarah started her scarf wearing on 2/19. Just about the time she would have started finding out there was no coverage for Trig. Suffice it to say, I still can't see Sarah reading and interpreting the CLEAR language in her benefits booklet with regard to Start of Coverage and the requirement around "newborn natural child" vs. coverage starting upon release from facility, once she figured out the grandchild couldn't be added. I surmise she viewed the adoption piece as the be-all-end-all to get these bills paid...but as unaware as she is, she wouldn't have realized that wouldn't have worked until Trig was on his way home from the facility, after who-knows-how-long, still leaving her with a big pile of unpaid medical bills.

You can read all of these passages here in the SOA SelectBenefits Insurance Information Booklet. Please note, at the beginning of the document, all of the amendments made to benefits or language in this booklet since 2001 are listed. Nowhere in these amendments does it reflect any language change regarding the “start of coverage” clause with regard to the words “newborn natural children”. There is no evidence that this clause ever read anything else, so we can safely assume that it had the same language in 2008 just as it does now:

http://web.archive.org/web/20090509131535/http://www.state.ak.us/drb/ghlb/select/s_bw.pdf

My final conclusions regarding insurance coverage of Trig, provided he is Bristol's baby:

1. Based on documentation, Bristol's maternity and delivery costs would have been covered by either or both Sarah's or Todd's employer plans as a covered dependent.

2. Trig could not be added to either Sarah's or Todd's plans as their grandchild unless they made legal arrangements for guardianship or adoption.

3.  Trig would have had at most 72 hours of coverage per Sarah's insurance coverage.

4.  Even if Trig were adopted, coverage would not have started until he was released from the hospital.

5. There is every potential for some very large uninsured medical bills, depending on how pre-mature Trig was.

That's it for now. I truly apologize if your heads are swimming, but I'll leave final blame with Sarah herself for that, since we all KNOW she could have stopped all the questions a long time ago. Part II will be a dissection of the "birth certificate" email from the State to Sarah, and the possible AFT connection.

Thank you again, Palinoia, for sharing your expertise, and for taking us through your thesis carefully and methodically. Palinoia will be checking in to comments to converse with everyone. 
V-A
9/13/2011 02:58:42 am

Great work, Palinoia! I found it all riveting-- your expertise creates your point of view, and it's such an exciting and fresh one. And the intense detective work! Nonpareil! Two questions.

1. Will you give us a rough ballpark for what Trig's hospital stay might have cost? My dependent brother broke his neck in 1976 with no insurance, and my mother had to pay over a million dollars for his care. So I'm fully aware of how HUGE those bills can be.

2. Given the insurance dance doesn't that mean that X more people would have known details of Trig's birth? Could you make a guess at how many people might have known just via insurance issues?

Even Bristol giving birth in 2007-early08 would have meant that claiming that on Sarah's insurance meant that at least a handful MORE people would have known, in the benefits department etc.

Thank you again! Perhaps Clari needs an insurance expert sidekick. . .

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rf
9/13/2011 03:03:54 am

From ANON238:

"In the photo with the mommy's valentine shirt, he has little round band aid type circles on both cheeks, like they are used to keep tubes in place but were moved for the photo or perhaps some other reason. You can see in the photo that Trig is laying in something with clear plastic on its sides, such as a hospital crib. (SHe has not shared this photoas yet, I wish she would)

I know when Trig was very small he went somewhere between the NICU and home, something called "SDU". There was an email which stated that Trig didn't do so great in "SDU" and had to go back to the NICU for at least 48 hours."

Interesting I think.

I just wonder about the $500K Sarah and Todd kept grousing about. I wonder if that debt wasn't REALLY medical bills after all. Call me naive, but how could they be personally acquiring legal bills regarding the ethics complaints when the State of Alaska was paying state employed Attorneys to defend those charges???

Great post palinoia! Spot on!

Palinoia
9/13/2011 03:19:35 am

@ V-A,

Thank you for the kudos, it is appreciated. It was pretty exhausting researching all of this!

You also have some great questions. In Part II, I'll entertain more specifically who might have been involved, and my conclusions on that, so stay tuned.

As for costs, it is very hard to guess. Costs can range widely in NICU dependent on how long the baby is there, and what specific complications are being treated. Very minimal stays can reach $25-50k, but many more run much higher than that. It is not uncommon for premies to run above $100k into $500k, depending on the factors above. Occasionally for really early premies, you could hit the Million dollar mark. If I had to venture a GUESS, if Trig were in an NICU for 30-60 days, I'd say something from $100k at least to $300k, but again it depends also on the conditions being treated. That's just a guess on my part.

It also depends on whether the patient is uninsured or not. All providers pad their full billed charges so when they negotiate insurance contracts they can maximize their insurance reimbursements. This helps offset the cost providing care to uninsured clients, as well as Medicaid and Medicare clients, which they have to accept set fees which are far lower than the actual cost of the care.

rf
9/13/2011 03:19:51 am

mmmm... SDU, stands for Special Delivery Unit... which I can't find in Alaksa, only a NICU at Providence Health and Services in Anchorage.

Which would then corroborate SP's claim in one of her speeches that he WAS born in Anchorage.

JP
9/13/2011 03:26:19 am

5 month absence compatible with pregnancy time frame of Trig
---

I fail to see how this has been verified. Bristol was in school through Sept 07, she was in public Oct and Nov 07, and she wasn't hiding in Anch.

Because you just gave every possible scenario, there's really no way of guessing which one is correct.

JP
9/13/2011 03:28:27 am

I have no educated comment to make on medical bills but it's a good guess that part of S and T's debt was in the Wooten case. If not all the debt.

Laura Novak link
9/13/2011 03:29:38 am

SDU means Step Down Unit. When babies get healthier and can be moved out of one-on-one nursing, they can be moved to a Step Down Unit. The level of care is "stepped down." Here, they sleep in the semi-dark with less noise. They try to establish daily rhythms for the babies. Babies who go home directly from the NICU have never known a day/night routine and you often leave on a radio and lights on all the time b/c silence is startling to them.

The tape on the cheeks is more of a goo that the nasal canula is then stuck to and probably taped over that. (Allie, RN, chime in here.) They leave the goop on so that they are not tearing it on and off, but can attach the canula very easily.

This part of Anon's comment made a great deal of sense to me.

It also means that the baby was in NICU BEFORE the SDU. That's often the way it goes.

Also, to add to Palinoia, depending on if there is surgery. One week of my son's care in 1995 cost more than $50K. That was ONE week. 16 years ago.

lilly lily
9/13/2011 03:31:33 am

And Bristol who is so aware of what diapers cost and is always bitching though she earns quite a bit, would have been pleased to dump bills for any child she had in Mommies insurance, including Tripp.

I am assuming the insurance won't pay for these womans plastic repair or liposuction, though Bristols dental work must have been taken care of as well as braces? dental work that Sarah bitched about.

V-A
9/13/2011 03:36:42 am

Thanks, P. I'll be on chair edge for Pt 2.

Palinoia
9/13/2011 03:36:54 am

To follow up on the SDU explanation from Laura (thanks!), the reduced level of care needed after an NICU stay can be as minimal as a regular hospital with an infant unit.

Sometimes premies stabilize very well and have minimal issues, but still need the transition time to just grow and gain weight before it is safe to go home. This often occurs when you have an infant in an NICU that is away from home, and then said infant gets transferred for grow time to the local hospital close to the parents. Trig could very well have been at Mat-Su (as Sarah stated), but it was actually AFTER time in an NICU in Anchorage.

V-A
9/13/2011 03:40:50 am

@JP

"Bristol was in school through Sept 07, she was in public Oct and Nov 07, and she wasn't hiding in Anch."

Proof?

Sunshine1970
9/13/2011 03:49:24 am

I thought in October Bristol and Sarah went to New York. There's footage of (a pregnant) Bristol at some "MTV TRL":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsuOWRL_Ios

eclecticsandra
9/13/2011 03:50:26 am

Remember the clue in Watergate, "Follow the money." This was probably the strongest motivator. The costs must have rocked the belief in no abortions.

SP seemed to avoid the possibility of fraud in taking maternity leave, but this seems like a much bigger fraud. You have to wonder at what point the demands for payment started. Would a new mortgage on the Lake Lucille property cover these bills? They had to be on the edge with their lifestyle. Maybe this was the kitchen table discussion between Sarah and Todd when they were "uninsured."

Thanks, Palinoia. Wonderfully written.

Laura Novak link
9/13/2011 03:57:33 am

Yes, let's give it up again for Palinoia for this extensive research and riveting story-telling. Fabulous work. Fascinating read. Thank you again!!!

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lilly lily
9/13/2011 04:28:26 am

Jennifer Lopes was pregnant with her twins at the same time as the enthusiastic Bristol in the audience was pregnant.

Jaylo wore a striped outfit and walked very gingerly.

search4more
9/13/2011 04:48:32 am

Palinoia,

Thanks for taking the trouble to spend hours on this.

I was just wondering how the new healthcare law would have affected this situation, ...and will affect the situation for Trig going forward? Was Palin fighting against her own financial self interest in opposing the law? If the law had been in place when trig was born would it have changed anything?

The other thing I was wondering was about her glasses. She has coverage for "dental and vision" as part of her insurance. Would that cover vanity non prescription glasses. Do we know if she claimed for those? If she did was that insurance fraud?

lilly lily
9/13/2011 04:55:46 am

Andrew Sullivan posted a bit of Levi Johnston book from another source.

Levi claims Bristol was jealous of her mothers pregnancy? and said I should be having a baby not her and she persuaded Levi to impregnate her?????

Gets stranger and stranger and stranger..

Bristol actually thought her mother was pregnant with Trigg?

lilly lily
9/13/2011 04:58:32 am

She probably got come of her glasses courtesy of the RNC. They were non reflective if I recall.

She really soaked the RNC for everything she could get.

lilly lily
9/13/2011 05:09:27 am

Levi writes that Bristol decided to have a baby in March of 2008. If he knows otherwise he isn't saying. That is the period of the fat disolving, and flat stomach in the Museum photos. Then came the empathy belly Gusty shot.

He also states emphatically that he and Sarah were present at Tripps birth in December.

So if Bristol is not the mother, who is?

Cracklin' Charlie
9/13/2011 05:19:44 am

Very nicely done, Palinoia,

Insurance mumbo jumbo even I can understand; and I said it couldn't be done.

I am going to spend some time reading this, and I will be back with questions.

Thank you!

comeonpeople
9/13/2011 05:19:45 am

Wow Palinoia! Very fine work. My head is spinning alittle, but I am following all you have researched. Well done!
Do you think there is a possibility that Bristol did marry Levi or became an emancipated minor without income and then could qualify for medcaid on her own? Based on lack of income?
I do think they have been socked with a huge huge medical bill, that is probably being paid for partially illicitly, but also via Sarah and Bristol's income.
I do so hope that there is no fraud involved and that Palin did not have any friends who rigged paperwork making Tri-G her natural born child. But that would be seriously risky and an avenue to pursue and put this skank out of our misery once and for all.
Also, too $240 a month for a family of 6 with full benefits is Might-T-Fine I'd say and quite a deal. I pay over $800 a month out of pocket for my family and I am in a huge group hospital employee plan.
looking forward to part two. Need some caffeine though!! Great job and thanks.

FEDUP!!!
9/13/2011 05:20:28 am

Great sleuthing, Palinoia! Thanks!

OK. My question is this then: The insurance would have gotten the bills from the hospital independently from $arah - those bills would contain the REAL mother's name, as well as the REAL birth date.
$arah is known to have spouted all over the world that SHE gave birth on April 18.
If the insurance had the info, and then finds out the 'story-line'... wouldn't they SUE THE @#$% out of her for faking it?

lilly lily
9/13/2011 05:24:33 am

Gee, this has been up at Huffington almost for a full day, and has 2,800 odd comments.

He also indicates roundabout that he was not present when Bristol first had sex. Take that Bristol in "yur" pipe and smoke it.

Nicely put Levi.

So the fiction or fact that her daughter actually believed her mother to be pregnant is there. I can believe she was annoyed. After all who took care of the kids? Bristol.

The water gets muddier.

nenagh
9/13/2011 05:27:23 am

That is comprehensive research, Palinoia.

As a Canadian, it would not have occurred to me that a reason for SP's 'hoax' pregnancy and subsequent taking over the care of Trig .. would be so Trig would get coverage for medical insurance..

After Anon 234 or AnonAnon's info about Todd Palin's cleaning and food shopping etc for the Palin family.. I spent some time reading what 'working on the slope' actually meant.

But never did I connect the dots that Todd Palin would actually be a member of a Union.. That blow's my mind.. when I think of how the TPers are trying to break unions.

I remember one evening sitting at the computer and rerunning a clip of SP, giving a speech to an excited crowd of her fans. She was exquisitely and professionally put together from head to toe.. What I became obsessive about was watching her deliver the lines: 'Obamacare.. Death Panels'... She kept repeating it in a rather condescending manner, to insure that all of of the drooling masses got the message.

So I thank you Palinoia, for your knowledge and the time it took to write your excellent post. And Laura, great blog, thanks as well.

DebinOH
9/13/2011 05:28:16 am

Thanks! Another curious thing to think about. Must have taken you hours & hours to research that. Good job! According to our local newspaper they call all these premature babies (uninsured) "million dollar babies". We have had hospitals close their doors because they can't afford to absorb the cost of the babies. Clearly it is very very expensive.

I was in the Cleveland Clinic for 2 nights & 3 days for a heart cath and it was about $24K. Three days compared to months of care. I cannot even imagine looking at the bills. Laura, you must know something about that with your son even though it was years ago.

Regarding her creepy letter (where she wrote it & signed it as God) it is also interesting to see that she called it Downs. I don't know but most people who are having a Down syndrome child know that it is Down.

I know that she is not really that bright (education wise) but still don't you think if it was that traumatic to find out your unborn child was going to have this syndrome you would know what the syndrome was called?

I guess we all can assume we know why.....

mary
9/13/2011 05:30:32 am

Great work, Palinoia - thank you! That one email in the first email dump, requesting Trig's birth certificate, was the red flag. Can't wait to hear your take on it.

mary
9/13/2011 05:32:55 am

OT, but regarding Levi's book, I don't think the 100% truth is contained therein. JMO.

Mir
9/13/2011 05:39:28 am

To Deb in OH:

Hospitals WANT NICUs and million-dollar-babies because they bring in revenues that support the rest of the hospital. NICUs are the "profit centers" of most hospitals.

Preemie care is a very lucrative billion dollar medical industry.

Ottoline
9/13/2011 05:45:10 am

Thank you for this massive and careful research, Palinoia. Any birth certificate would identify the bioDad (the stated Bio-Dad, not necessarily the real one; and it could be a blank or "undisclosed," right?). And the birth date would be different than the one announced publicly. RIGHT?

So how many people would have to see that, in the insurance company? I assume HIPAA applies to any such people, but it's still a vulnerability.

Is it possible SP could have delayed providing the bc until after the church fire? That seems too long a time -- a year. And if one says "oops, bc got burned up" -- how is that handled?

My vague thinking about the medical costs always kept going back to private payment (either by some Dominionist person or group; or just some wealthy backer [like Mrs Mellon paying for Edwards's mistresses costs]; or even that the $7M? book advance was amped up enough to have payment for all those med costs built into that sum.) I always thought that the book advance was just a way of transferring money from Rupert to Sarah, in plain sight. Suspicious only in that it seemed to high an advance at the time, but bot in retrospect (even if some of the sales were Rupert buying back and distributng for free.

Cracklin' Charlie
9/13/2011 05:49:16 am

Palinoia,

Sorry if my questions seem stupid, I am not really good with the insurance lingo.

How much time could have elapsed between the birth and the paying of benefits? Is there a time limit on how long you have before you must file papers to claim benefits? Does that make sense? I think what I am asking is if one must claim benefits prior to the child's first birthday or something?

Surely Sarah did not discuss these options with the human resources department of the State of Alaska. Would this have been something that the lawyer van flea would have helped her with?

The connection to the large medical bills, and Sarah's "Legal Defense Fund" sound very promising. Did Sarah have people donate money to the fund to pay Trig's medical bills? With anyone else, I would say no way, but this bunch, that is entirely within the realm of the possible.

Again, great post, and looking forward to part 2!

DebinOH
9/13/2011 05:54:45 am

Mir, you are very right. They do bring revenue but the hospitals here are taking mostly uninsured mothers & babies it is killing them. Not only that but most of them are inner city and get mostly uninsured people which adds to the problem.

At least that is why they are claiming to close them.....

Brad Scharlott
9/13/2011 06:24:09 am

Great work, Palinoia. Just a brief reminder that what you hypothesize makes great sense for Trig #1, aka Ruffles. The reprehensible thing is that Palin apparently used Ruffles as camouflage for bringing in Trig #2, the Down syndrome baby.

lazrgrl
9/13/2011 06:37:30 am

What is really galling is her opposition to health care for everyone, while she is (possibly) cheating the system with her grandson.

mxm
9/13/2011 06:46:40 am

Brilliant work Palinoia, you took some very difficult information and presented it in a way the was easy to follow. Your assumptions make sense given the evidence that you uncovered.

mistah charley, ph.d.
9/13/2011 06:48:25 am

THE NAME OF THE SYNDROME

According to Wikipedia: In 1975, the United States National Institutes of Health convened a conference to standardize the nomenclature of malformations. They recommended eliminating the possessive form: "The possessive use of an eponym should be discontinued, since the author neither had nor owned the condition." Although both the possessive and non-possessive forms are used in the general population, Down syndrome is the accepted term among professionals in the U.S., Canada and other countries; Down's syndrome is still used in the UK and other areas.

THE NAME OF THE PARENTS

As I understand it, if a child has been legally adopted, a new birth certificate is issued with the names of the adoptive parents. So may it be with Trig.


Maddies_Mom
9/13/2011 06:49:06 am

I've always thought it would be fantastic if we could find out if there were any claims made for "Sarah's" delivery in April. Is there any way that could be uncovered?

Lynn
9/13/2011 06:51:17 am

outstanding research- thanks for putting it all together!

I have thought for awhile that Ruffles was a FAS baby eventually replaced by Convention Trig. SP did not handle that infant as if she was related to him- not as a mother or grandmother would. However, expecting normal behavior from her is foolish, I know.

This information provides a pretty clear idea that $ could have been a part of the motivation behind the hoax. The Palins were not rolling in dough in 2008, and it seems as though they could have been living beyond their means for a while. Dunning the taxpayers for per diem and travel, just part of the gritting way of life. Yuck.

Off topic, Laura, just started reading your book on my kindle. It is fabulous so far!

FrostyAK
9/13/2011 06:58:19 am

Thanks for your hard work Palinoia! You have made insurance semi-understanable.

Have put in a call to someone who uses AK Native health insurance about the % native blood required. I thought it was an across the board number (1/16), but seems you found it varies by tribe?

I can attest to costs, having been uninsured (not by choice, pre-existing condition) for more than 30 years. My stint at MSRHC for 7 hours in January, (with most of that time just waiting) cost over $2500. - with the doc's portion not included in that bill.

Have we considered that Ruffles may have been born out of state? The trail would have been much easier to hide that way. But then there is the traffic accident in Anchorage to consider...

The AFT was set up with only one trustee ($P's BFF), hence much more open to abuse. I can see that it could have been used to pay any of her bills, all of them. One wonders if all of the donations have been returned from that ILLEGAL payola pit, or if the new trust is gathering funds to pay back those original donations. How do we find out?

Anon55
9/13/2011 07:11:02 am

What am I missing here? I don't for one moment believe that Sarah gave birth to Trig, but I also don't see how if she pretended to give birth to Trig, any NICU bills would have been covered. For one thing, the NICU bills would have predated the April "birthdate." Bills show dates of service. How could you possibly get bills paid that show dates of service before the birth? Second, how do you submit NICU bills when the official story, widely known in Alaska, was that mother and baby were immediately released from the hospital.

So, yeah, the hoax gets Trig's bills paid on a going forth basis (which apparently would have happened anyway in the case of an adoption), but I don't see how it gets preexisting NICU bills paid.

Bill in Baltimore
9/13/2011 07:13:16 am

Another great post to sift through.Thanks,Palinoia

ja.thought
9/13/2011 07:17:11 am

I'll have to read this more carefully later. I am SO VERY HAPPY you did this. Wow - an incredible amount of hard work investigating and reporting so clearly.

I tried working through her State of Alaska benefits at one point along the same line. I kept thinking that (since giving Trig away outside the family - which would be hard and very embarrassing politically were it ever uncovered) heath care coverage was the ONLY reason that really made sense for Sarah to adopt Trig. I could never really buy that she would adopt Trig from outside the family just for altruism (heaven forbid) or for political gain. The stakes of disclosure were too high. Trig's medical costs would be impossible for Bristol and fall one way or another on Sarah. At that time, it looked to me that the state did not require proof of adoption - but I was really just looking at a few public website and not having and well grounded understanding of insurance.

Granted, did she adopt or not? And if she adopted, she also chose not to 'out' Bristol publicly as the mom.

I am 100% with you that no one knew Trig had DS until the birth!

I look forward to tonight so that I can read carefully and appreciate every hard won word you wrote. You have made my day! I look forward to your next segment.

You, Palinoia, truly deserve a PULITZER PRIZE for investigative journalism. Can someone get this woman published!!!! Andrew Sullivan are you listening? Laura? Brad?

(Apologies, Palinoia, if you happen to be a man. I am just SO excited!)

Tom link
9/13/2011 07:23:50 am

Let's see if this makes it past weeble. Haven't had much luck.

If SP gave birth there'd be invoices submitted to her or TP's insurance companies. If SP didn't give birth tghere'd be no bill to submit. Is there any way of finding out whether or not a bill was submitted to one or both of their insurance companies for the birth and care of an infant on April 18 and forward?

Nice work Palinoia. You've shown way more focus and concentration than I have these days.

V-A
9/13/2011 07:37:03 am

@Anon55 - the nugget for me is that Bristol's pregnancy and giving birth would have been covered under Sarah (or Todd's) policy -- BUT not the baby's needs.

Newborn services provided after 72

hours are not covered.

So that 72 hrs after Trig #1 is born, there is no more coverage of his medical costs.

If Trig #1 (Ruffles) was premature and had health issues beyond 72 hrs, the family would be liable for those expenses.

BUT what if Sarah didn't realize this? Hadn't read the fine print? Assumed the baby was covered-- and then once the bills roll in, finds out the baby isn't! Has to scramble for coverage so the baby has his own policy.

As I understand it, She'd then have to provide a birth certificate which states either the birth parents or adoptive parents names.

Insuring Trig #2 would have been a whole nother can of worms.

Melly
9/13/2011 07:40:57 am

@Lilly lily--

Current theory: B decided to get pregnant in March 2008 out of anger at her mother for expropriating Trig...which she would have done in Feb-March 2008 starting with the scarf-wearing. What power would B have had to stop Sarah?

Anonymous
9/13/2011 07:46:41 am

Maybe I watch too much "30 Rock," but just perhaps Trig was born in Canada so there would be free delivery.

curiouser
9/13/2011 07:49:39 am

Palinoia - Your sleuthing skills and patience are laudable! The information you've compiled is, indeed, comprehensive. I'm most amazed that you found the census list. I copied down some of your blog comments from Feb. 2010, including that you'd discovered Palin's standard benefit coverage and sent the proof to Patrick. Thanks to Laura for featuring your work!

I'm one of the ones who questioned the dependent matrix that accompanied the special same-sex partner enrollment period. For me, it's not so much questioning that the SOA had a birth certificate requirement, only whether we can prove that they consistently expected submission of the actual BC and whether that has changed through the years. I have trouble grasping that the dependent add and change forms don't clearly state the BC requirement for natural children when the forms state that appropriate document is required in adoptions, etc.. The existence of the matrix allows the Benefits Dept. to request one although they could also choose to rely on the Social Security number and the employee's certification that the form is correct, with penalties for fraud.

I'm really looking forward to Part II.

Pallottine
9/13/2011 07:51:20 am

Does the firing of Beverly Woolery, Director of Health and Human Services, play a role in this matter? This dept keeps birth certificates on record. Palin's excuse for firing Woolery was, they just didn't see eye to eye. Woolery had a stellar 20 year record guiding the dept.

Thanks for the report, very compelling read.

lilly lily
9/13/2011 07:52:14 am

And what power did Sarah have to stop Bristol from getting pregnant in revenge?

Actually that is interesting.

What Levi wrote can be interpreted that way. He obviously doesn't want to go into Trig territory. No one really does. It is murky there.

He did have an interesting way of putting that he didn't rape a virginal Bristol at the campout.

Watching and Waiting
9/13/2011 08:03:42 am

OK -- we have a real motive here. Many have been saying for a long time that Sarah would not saddle herself with adopting a child unless she were covering for her daughter/herself. Well, the money factor really does add something to that. She probably talked B and L into it on the grounds that it would get him covered medically, but they would still be the parents. And, when they first discussed it his name probably was still Tripp.

Then someone or something gave her the idea of what a DS child could do to her "pro-life" creds and that it could be the icing on the cake for getting the VP nod. She started wearing scarves and waited to see what would happen with McCain, since he'd be the only one who would need someone like her to balance his ticket. Then, when he got the nomination, she made her announcement.

That set B off big time! Because now it would not just be a legal formality and she was going to have to hide the fact that she was a mother and pretend to be his sister. She was the one who sat with him in the hospital and gave him the love that he needed to make it. Now she had to pretend that none of it ever happened.

So, she wanted a replacement baby. And this one would be healthy and Mommy wouldn't be able to take it away. So the replacement "Tripp" was conceived.

It makes total sense to me that she would want to use the same name that she wanted for her first son. I found out when I was a teenager that my grandmother had had a marriage/child when she was underage. The father died in the WW2 and the grandparents took the baby from her. Enter my grandfather, who she married and then had my father. Turns out she named my father the same name as the first baby. I always thought that that was a strange thing to do. But now I can see it.

lilli
9/13/2011 08:10:24 am

In Alaska there is no minimum degree of blood to receive health cards but you do need a CIB card. SEE LINK This has nothing to do with being a tribal member or a shareholder which may require higher degrees of blood,,like Doyon in Alaska you need to be 1/4 blood quantum to be a shareholder unless a relative willed their shares to you.
://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/howtoregister.htm

myrna nichols
9/13/2011 08:10:56 am

"Current theory: B decided to get pregnant in March 2008 out of anger at her mother for expropriating Trig...which she would have done in Feb-March 2008 starting with the scarf-wearing. What power would B have had to stop Sarah?"

I'll vote for this theory too. It is usually the simple explanation that makes the most sense. It made no sense for Sarah to want to adopt Tripp if she had really just given birth to her own DS child. Sarah would be running for VP, pretending to be pregnant with Trip...it just doesn't make sense.

What does make sense is a mother turning to her pregnant, undwed teen aged daughter and saying, "Dad and I can provide for the baby better than you and what's-his-name. You need to finish school. Besides, I've got my eye on higher office, and it would look better for me to have this baby than you."

Even though Bristol and Levi said "no," when Sarah announced that she was pregnant, she literally took the baby and the matter out of their hands. They couldn't protest. I do believe the anon writer who said that Trig was probably born early in February, certainly before Valentines Day. March would coincide with the time when the fragile, premature baby was going to make it and just needed some more time in the hospital.

Laura Novak link
9/13/2011 08:17:54 am

I agree with all of you: a REAL motive here. And I believe Levi's (new) words can be interpreted two ways.

This post is worth reading several times for all of Palinoia's excellent information to seep in.

@Tom, I have no idea why, but you are one of several commenters who Weebly throws into spam. I am one too, believe it or not, as I've said. If it's hidden, it's usually b/c I can't get to the site any time soon. I try to approve held-back comments as soon as I can.

@Lynn, thank you SO much for reading my book and mentioning here how fabulous it is! I really appreciate it. Clari and her crowd also unravel a mystery and the ending is not at all what you think it is.

Wonder if that will be the case with this Palin mystery as well?

V-A
9/13/2011 08:21:00 am

@Myrna
@Watching and Waiting

IF there were masses of medical bills for Trig#1, that would give Sarah even more leverage for taking the baby. Like she had paid for it, so it was hers. (It creeps me out to write that but then everything about her IS creepy.)

lilli
9/13/2011 08:23:19 am

Sarah could have faked the pregnancy, taken Trig as her own and signed him up for Indian Health care under Todd's Indian heritage blood lineage. Her State insurance would have covered Bristol and Trig until the birth..then he would not be covered..this could be one reason she faked the pregnancy, to cover his health care so it wouldn't come out of her pocket. How else were they affording his health care, even after her insurance covered part of it, Indian Helth would pick up the rest. Is she and her family still receiving medical insurance from the state?

Cracklin Charlie
9/13/2011 08:26:10 am

Pallotine,

Great question!
Do you know when the firing took place, and who she was replaced with? I think Sarah would have had to have help in Human Resources Dept. to accomplish this, and it surely does not seem "kosher", and even possibly illegal.

nancydrewed link
9/13/2011 08:35:24 am

“I could certainly be wrong about this, but while proving a negative is problematic, one can infer at least some untruths based on one particular document. There was a piece of email (marked urgent) from a case-person working for the Alaska state health-care provider/insurer–sent I believe in mid-May–to the Palins, requesting a form that was needed in order to add the new baby to their policy. With continuity of care in place, the pre-natal appointments, as well as live-birth, would already have the newborn as a “patient.” My own policy would only require such a form or birth certificate by the 60 day mark if the newborn had been adopted.”
This email exchange can be found archived at Palingates. I do recall that Todd Palin wrote that he would “get right on it.” I don’t have a link. (If I were a reporter, I’d find one).

All of this caught my eye at the time because I’d forgotten that until we made out a passport application when my child was four, I did not realize that I did not possess an actual copy of his birth certificate. I had to make a request to county vital records, because the hospital sends the official certificate directly to them. Her insurance provider would certainly have had her sign any paperwork they required before she left the hospital after an actual birth.

If the photos and her own words don’t trip her up, the paperwork trail just might."

I left this comment on several blogs in the past, and thought maybe adding it here might help add something to the expert work you did palinoia. The reason I thought you might find it useful, is the discovery I made that the birth certificate is created by vital records on receipt of notification of live birth by the hospital. That request from the SOA insurance processor is a huge red flag I think. Hope I haven't been redundant here since I've not read every single word today. Suffering from two-black eyes created in a "foolishly wearing flip-flops" fall. :-(

JJ
9/13/2011 08:43:06 am

Here is the information on Beverly Wooley:

http://blogs.forward.com/sisterhood-blog/109105/

katie
9/13/2011 08:48:18 am

V-A
9/13/2011 09:03:02 am

@JJ

Thanks for the link. I followed another link in the article, then googled Ms. Wooley, and finally ended up at a NYT article.

All the articles talk of Palin firing Wooley over an abortion bill, BUT then there's this in the NYT:

"Ms. Leighow would only say, inexplicably, that Ms. Wooley had been terminated by the health department, not the governor."

Which totally contradicts all the other sources, including ADN. All very interesting reading. Beverly Wooley sounds like a great woman.


Melly
9/13/2011 09:07:51 am

NancyDrewed: "I had to make a request to county vital records, because the hospital sends the official certificate directly to them."

The email from SOA administrator to SP/Todd about Trig's b.c. would indicate that that it's not Mat-Su's practice to automatically send the b.c. directly to the insurer. Do we know if this is the case? Is that standard for hospitals?

Laura Novak link
9/13/2011 09:12:30 am

From what I can remember, and that's not saying much, my son's BC was taken care of in the hospital. I recall signing it b/c I was so weak. And my OB signing it. They just took care of it. I believe we walked out (wheel chaired out) with a copy with the actual document coming in the mail. Or the original. Can't recall. That was SOP 16 years ago.

So asking for it was always a red flag for me in this story.

search4more
9/13/2011 09:12:52 am

Pallottine,

I wasn't paying attention to the this stuff early on so I'm not up on all the details.

I looked up what happened with Beverly Woolery. It seems to be slightly different than your remembering it. Gryphen had a post about this on July 16 2009.

Here it is:

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2009/07/it-looks-like-sarah-helped-break.html

...So it was Karleen Jackson who was HSS commissioner and resigned in March 9 2008. I just checked and the email from the "Benefits Section" about the birth certificate was on May 21, 2008.

Beverly Woolery was state public health director and probably left because of a disagreement with Palin about abortion policy.

Mir
9/13/2011 09:13:55 am

To Deb in OH:

Most hospitals with NICUs depend on them as profit centers to subsidize the less profitable parts of the hospitals.

Uninsured moms and babies are covered by Medicaid. Medicaid reimbursements to NICUs are not quite as magnificent as would be the case under private insurance, but the hospitals don't pay for it. NICUs that rely on Medicaid cut corners, instead. (discharging babies earlier, etc.).

The only sense I can make of the statements from the hospitals you mention is that, because they were reliant on Medicaid reimbursements, they were unable to rake in huge enough profits with their NICUs (as do hospitals serving private insurance clientele), and so were not able to offset the costs of the other money-losing parts of their hospitals.

search4more
9/13/2011 09:14:00 am

oops. Whilst i was writing my message other people had responded also.

lilly lily
9/13/2011 09:14:53 am

Yes it all starts to jell. Lets hope it jells hard enough to nail her to the wall.

Bristol then was the mother. Mom took matters int her own hands by pretending to be pregnant. Bristol is furious, it is her baby, so she immediatly gets pregnant with Tripp. For which "sin" her mother parades her in front of the country.

We thought as much, but Levi useing the March 2008 time, for Bristols anger with her mother, which we know is the conception date. And we are pretty certain Trig was born prior to February. Touch and Go till the revealing of him on April 18th. 2008.

It makes sense.

Katie Taylor
9/13/2011 09:15:58 am

I am the Benefits Director for a large F500 company and prior to that spent 20 years in the Cigna organization. You are mis-reading the 72 hour provision in Sarah's policy. The 72 hour rule only applies to a healthy newborn. Sick babies including neonates would be covered by the following provision outlined below the 72 hour rule reference.

"Charges for a newborn who has suffered an accidental injury,illness, premature birth or other abnormal condition are
covered like any other medically necessary services."

In other words, care for a sick baby would not be limited to 72 hours of care but rather governed by the same rules in play for any other medical conditions which stipulate services must meet medical necessity criteria.

The 72 hour rule allows charges to be paid as part of the mother's confinement in cases where it's a well child without worrying about eligibility having to be established. Many hospitals include standard newborn charges as part of the mother's bill rather than generating a bill for a patient named "newborn". In the case of a sick baby such as this case, coverage would continue unbroken until discharge. Subsequent coverage for post discharge care would be provided only if the child has been added to the policy in accordance with policy guidelines which would require a legal guardianship in the case of a grand child. This clarification doesn't negate the fact that Trig had to be added to some policy after discharge and that would have required documentation in the form of a birth certificate and legal guardianship. There was a released e-mail related to the issue of providing the needed documentation to add Trig for benefits under the State plan that was sent to Todd by someone on Sarah's staff which has always struck me as odd. I would think that under normal circumstances this would have been handled by Sarah or an assistant. Todd's reply back to the e-mail was simply that he would take care of it.

FrostyAK
9/13/2011 09:18:49 am

Talked to my friend who has Native health care. She is 1/8, and her grandkids are also eligible at 1/32. That is with Nelchina and Cook Inlet Tribal assns, and they must be registered with BIA as well as their own tribal councils. She has never heard of the one mentioned in the above article. She did say the Native hospital in Anchorage has opened the doors to members of the public on medicaid and medicare. Also mentioned that Mat Su Regional is THE most expensive hospital in the south central area.

As calling Anchorage is very expensive for me, it might be a good idea for someone with a low set monthly payment for long distance to call the native hospital and talk to someone who knows the ropes on the %ages.

search4more
9/13/2011 09:24:18 am

Here is the email for easy reference:

http://sarahsinbox.com/thread/health-dependent-enrollment-update-urgent-2/?q=birth%20certificate

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My understanding is that the hospital announced / recorded births, but not Triggs. That's right isn't it? ...So that means there is a public list of people who gave birth around the same time as Palin did (in the official story). If anyone wanted to know what the policy for the hospital was with birth certificates you could:

1) Ask the hospital about it.

or..

2) Contact one of the parents who gave birth there and ask them about it.

Banyan
9/13/2011 09:26:14 am

Suppose someone were able to pay in cash for NICU bills -- what kind of paper trail would that leave (or not leave)?

When our preemie was born we had 30 days to notify insurance. I think that is still standard. We found out about this, luckily on day 28 thanks to the hospital billing office. Otherwise we would have been coping with hundreds of thousands in medical bills.

If this baby was as severely premature as the nurse ("Shitifire") described, I'd say $500,000 is about right for the NICU bill (which includes so much more than just NICU care, since every specialist that sees the baby bills separately. The true costs to parents and insurance companies is so much higher than the rates you hear about from medical sources because of these multiple bills.

However, the first 72 hours are usually the most expensive part of the NICU stay and would have been carried by Sarah's insurance (assuming Trig is Bristol's).

rubbernecking
9/13/2011 09:28:54 am

On June 4, 2008 Todd emails Palin reminding her to enroll Trig during Open Enrollment. Palin then emails her asst "Don't let me forget to enroll Trig." Yikes!

http://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/15777.pdf

Is there any difference between the requirements for a newborn enrollment and open enrollment?

FrostyAK
9/13/2011 09:31:07 am

Here's the ADN article on Wooley.

http://www.adn.com/2009/07/02/852044/health-director-says-she-was-forced.html

search4more
9/13/2011 09:31:25 am

"The day before announcing that she would leave the Governor’s office, Sarah Palin terminated state public health director, Beverly Wooley, who said she planned to draw on research, not ideology, in answering questions posed by state representatives about the legislation.

Wooley was the second state health official to be ousted in as many months. State chief medical officer, Jay Butler, was terminated in June for the same reason, according to Mother Jones Magazine."

http://blogs.forward.com/sisterhood-blog/109105/#ixzz1XsWNK0e5

This story was linked to in a comment above.

So Wooley left in 2009 just before Palin resigned. These people presumably A) now have a grudge about Palin, and B) have good contacts and know the healthcare system in Alaska. Surely they are excellent sources to interview for a keen journalist/investigator/blogger.

FrostyAK
9/13/2011 09:33:31 am

And one on her replacement.

http://www.adn.com/2009/09/04/922949/governor-names-hurlburt-to-fill.html

Laura Novak link
9/13/2011 09:34:42 am

"Don't let me forget to enroll Trig!" EXCUSE ME????!!!!

Palinoia
9/13/2011 09:37:18 am

Hi Everyone...just started wading through the comments again, and I'll try to shed light/opinion on some of your questions.

@ search4more: the new healthcare reform law didn't have any affect in 2008, however, if it had existed in 2008 when Trig was born, insurers are not allowed to deny coverage (or apply pre-existing condition waiting periods) to minor children. This means he could have gotten an individual plan in spite of his condition if he couldn't be added to a group plan.

As for the glasses - vision insurance is usually a set benefit amount. X dollars for frames, X dollars for lenses (must be prescription lenses), or X dollars for contacts. Anything done above and beyond, such as special coatings, super expensive frames, etc, the patient pays for whatever amount exceeds their benefit limit.

@ comeonpeople - great question re: did Bristol and Levi marry, and then get Medicaid/DenaliCare to cover costs? It is doubtful because Medicaid generally takes HOUSEHOLD income into account, not just your own, so if you are still living at Mom and Dad's, their income counts as well (if you are being HONEST). My jury is out on the marrying thing between Bristol and Levi. I just don't know...sometimes I think it happened, and sometimes, not so much.



Palinoia
9/13/2011 09:41:55 am

@ FedUp:

Your Question(s)

The insurance would have gotten the bills from the hospital independently from $arah - those bills would contain the REAL mother's name, as well as the REAL birth date.
$arah is known to have spouted all over the world that SHE gave birth on April 18.
If the insurance had the info, and then finds out the 'story-line'... wouldn't they SUE THE @#$% out of her for faking it?

My Answer - I will address a lot of this in Part II, stay tuned. I might even have to do a Part III if Part II gets too long to adequately address everything else I have to cover! LOL

curiouser
9/13/2011 09:43:44 am

Katie Taylor - Thanks for your input. Could you please tell us whether your organization requires employees to submit a natural born child's birth certificate when adding them to the employee's policy?

Palinoia
9/13/2011 09:51:10 am

@ Everyone here, thank you for appreciating the work that went into the research and writing of this post, whether you agree with it or not. I long ago wondered how this all played out, so having the background to research was very helpful, because I knew what kind of information I was looking for to determine whether Trig was even insured.

@ DebInOH: I agree, the Trig letter was beyond creepy, and oh-so-over-the-top!

You wrote: "don't you think if it was that traumatic to find out your unborn child was going to have this syndrome you would know what the syndrome was called?"

I agree, if you had advance warning, you'd have studied and read up on it. I think there was no advance warning prior to Trig being born though, and we know what a quick study Sarah ISN'T, so it doesn't surprise me that Miss can't say Biden after practicing also couldn't write "Down Syndrome".

Palinoia
9/13/2011 09:56:42 am

@ Ottoline / 12:45:10

Re: birth certificate and what would it say? I believe once an official legal adoption occurs, the bio parent(s) names are removed and the BC is reissued with the adoptive parent(s) names on it. The date of birth and place of birth would not change, however. In the State of Alaska, birth certificates are not part of the public domain for 100 years. Only the parents of a minor can order a copy.

I'll address how many people/HIPAA etc in Part II with regard to the birth certificate, and how I think things played out.

Delaying getting a birth certificate until after the church fire is not likely, as it wouldn't have served the ultimate purpose of getting Trig on the State plan asap except if she had waited to add him at a future annual open enrollment.

Mrs Gunka
9/13/2011 10:00:17 am

Thank you Palinoia! Nice to have someone who knows how to read insurance forms and what it means! Kind of sitting here in a daze trying to absorb all the information, but reading it as you described, it made a lot of sense. I guess every ones interpretation is fogging it up again. Whatever happened, it isn't what Sarah claimed by the hoax she tried to pull on our country. The ease in which she has grifted her millions is almost an obsession with her and is probably as a result of the medical bills. She has become addicted to money and celebrity and it is now a game. The bills are paid and anything she brings in now is just gravy. When they lost the election she wasn't ready to let go of the game. Like Trig, Levi was also a prop for her game. They got rid of him after Tripp was born and when they surprised her with their engagement, they got rid of him again. She has "people" to do her dirty work and anyone who gets in her way, the must disappear. Her family likes the money and will protect Sarah as long as she can bring in the money. Her beauty is fading and she going into panic mode. This information, Joe and Levi's books, the documentary, other possible books may just send her over the cliff. The bots are out in force as their world is coming down around them too. Van Flein must be getting very worried too. Why no law suits against the truth? She can't even seem to run an honest race without manipulation. She is a Queen....Queen of Deceit! The sand is just about all emptied in the hour glass. The bigger they are, the harder the fall. It's been a wild ride!

Palinoia
9/13/2011 10:00:25 am

@ Cracklin Charlie / 12:49:16

Your questions (and NO question is stupid when it comes to insurance) regarding timing of benefit payments etc will be addressed in Part II.

I haven't given the Van Flein thing much thought as I don't think if he valued his Bar membership and licensure he would encourage Sarah side stepping laws to get insurance, at least not up front. That's not to say that he didn't help her after the fact, if that is what she did. I'll talk more about this as well in Part II.

Palinoia
9/13/2011 10:05:46 am

@ Brad S. / 13:24:09

I'm a bit confused by your statement because it makes it sound like Ruffles aka Trig # 1 didn't have DS. I think that the NeoNatal Doc Laura consulted said in his opinion, that he thought Ruffles did have DS. Of course there are those who don't believe he had DS, but FAS instead, and I thought that was part of the discussion with the Doc as well. But, I could be getting old and not remembering like I used too, so feel free to chime in if I haven't remembered it correctly.

In the end, I still haven't reconciled why there was even a Trig # 2 (and there clearly was in my opinion) except if something happened to Trig # 1 aka Ruffles...and I think we all wonder (and worry) where he/she is today.

curiouser
9/13/2011 10:09:30 am

search4more - Trig's name is included in both the ADN and Frontiersman Mat-Su Reg. Med. Ctr. birth announcements. There were 5 births listed for April 18 '08.

I have a link for the Frontiersman; the ADN article can only be purchased from the archives.

http://tinyurl.com/mluvwn

rubbernecking - YOWZA! What a find! Proof that Todd's response to the May '08 Benefit Dept. email didn't end up getting Trig insured.

Palinoia
9/13/2011 10:10:24 am

@ Maddies_Mom / 13:46:06

Finding claims for Sarah's (or Bristol's, or anyone else's) delivery is not doable, not legally anyway.

HIPAA laws are super strict about disclosure, and especially in this bad economy there are few who would ever risk their job by disclosure of PHI (Protected Health Information). The penalties are severe, and almost always include termination, especially for willful disclosure. Even accessing records and not disclosing them are punishable by termination. Everything is on a "need to know" basis. If you are just being snoopy, you risk losing your job. Simply not worth it.

Ottoline
9/13/2011 10:11:40 am

Palinoia -- I can hardly wait for Part II!

Way out of left field: How about, due to the perk of being governor, Palin could drag her feet about supplying the bc. And finally the delay in providing the bc extends to almost a year. Someone is threatening to "out" her if the bc isn't produced. Thus the church fire in mid Dec. But Dar Miller was about to talk? (about the bc? about some other aspect?) And Dar died Jan 5.

I realize this is just a hunch. But it keeps coming up for me. The argument AGAINST Dar's death being related to Trig is this: if, as anon 238 says, SP thought/feared that the jig is up several times, then one would think a murder and two fires would seem too risky. It was during the time that SP thought she would get away with it that the arson and arson/murder seem a possibility.

SDMom
9/13/2011 10:14:44 am

Why did she have to enroll Trig during Open Enrollment?? Per the State of Alaska insurance booklet:

You may change your elections within 30 days following one of
the qualified status changes shown below:
• You gain or lose a dependent through birth, adoption,
marriage, divorce, or death.

So they could have simply enrolled Trig anytime within 30 days of him being born. But of course they didn't want to do that, since that would expose he wasn't born when they said. So then their only choice was to wait and enroll him during Open Enrollment. I can think of no other reason he wouldn't have been enrolled within 30 days following birth/adoption.

I think this is an important point!

Great post, Palinoia, and thanks Laura, for not letting this subject drop.

SDMom
9/13/2011 10:19:26 am

For those who are interested, here is the link for the Alaska insurance booklet I referenced above - http://doa.alaska.gov/drb/ghlb/booklets.html
See "Change in Status" on page 9.

Katie Taylor link
9/13/2011 10:30:15 am

Curiouser - My company requires a birth certificate for all children being added to the plan. In the event of a grandchild we would also require a legal guardianship document. These actions must be completed within 31 days of the birth though I see that Sarah's plan has a 60 day window. Todd's comment in June reminding Sarah not to forget to add Trig during Open Enrolment is a BOMB SHELL that has gone un-noticed. That means that the child was not added immediately following birth in April. It also means that Trig was uninsured once he was discharged from the hospital. What is odd about Todd's June 4 E-mail is that they were still within the 60 day window and there would be no need to wait until open enrolment UNLESS Trig was born BEFORE April 4. BINGO!!! In late enrollee situations, a dependent can not be added until the next open enrolment cycle which is usually in the Fall for plans with a January 1 renewal date. Can someone find out what the renewal cycle is for the State of Alaska plan? State plans usually have a January 1 plan year. Todd's message also means he blew off the reminder sent to him earlier by Palin's staff on the need to provide information to get Trig enrolled.

nancydrewed link
9/13/2011 10:31:35 am

@melly -- My understanding is that hospitals create the certificates of live birth, signed off on by attending physician. My physician signed this record seven days after birth. That documentation goes to DSHS vital records. My son's information was stamped as received nine days after his birth, when it received the signature of local registrar. My certified copy of his BC also has a space for the signature of the state registrar, which is blank on my copy, I assume because I there is another record housed by the state.

Insurance person is letting the Palin's know he/she is not able to add child using whatever paperwork has at that point been submitted.

Palinoia
9/13/2011 10:33:25 am

@ FrostyAK / 13:58:19

You said:
"Have put in a call to someone who uses AK Native health insurance about the % native blood required. I thought it was an across the board number (1/16), but seems you found it varies by tribe?"

Thank you for making a call. With all the other research, I was just too tired and didn't feel like raising anyone's suspicions at the Tribal Council by being an out of state caller.

The Quantum Blood requirement does vary by tribe per the IHS website. The Cherokee tribe has a much smaller requirement than a lot of other tribes. I have seen conflicting info regarding the requirements for the Curyung Tribal Council, and I couldn't locate anything online, like a master list at the IHS website showing all the Federally Recognized Tribes and their QB requirements :-(

Palinoia
9/13/2011 10:36:54 am

@ FrostyAK again / 13:58:19

Re: AFT and whether the money was actually paid back. I can't remember who filed the original Ethics complaint on that. It seems like Linda Kellen Biegel was following that and the State kind of deep-sixed it, without ever providing proof that it was actually paid back to the donors. Or at least it was never reported on....Kinda like the returning of clothes to the RNC didn't happen since we see her still wearing some of those outfits, or what about the loads and loads of mail/gifts she was supposed to get opened and disclose? OMG...the list just goes on and on!

JJ
9/13/2011 10:38:00 am

@Palinoia

I wonder if Ruffles had FAS as well as Down Syndrome? Are Ruffley ears a FAS trait? If so, maybe that is also part of the reason SP freaks out so much about the ear issue.

Palinoia
9/13/2011 10:39:17 am

@ Anon55 / 14:11:02

You aren't really missing anything. You question how the NICU bills could have been paid, and the point of this post is really about how they probably WEREN'T paid by insurance, leaving Sarah / Bristol with some large medical bills outstanding.

I'll address more of this in Part II.

Katie Taylor
9/13/2011 10:40:34 am

SD mom, you are absolutely correct that there would be no need to wait. I have seen reference to both a 30 and a 60 day deadline in Sarah's insurance plan. The standard deadline is 30 days following a life event but I believe Palinoia posted documentation that it was up to 60 days to add a newborn. The point remains, they missed it and the child was uninsured for a period. NOBODY in their right mind allows a special needs child to go uninsured when coverage is available unless they have something BIG to hide in the paperwork that would need to be provided to activate coverage.

Palinoia
9/13/2011 10:41:54 am

@ ja.thought / 14:17:11

Thanks, but really, no Pulitzer needed. All I need is for Sarah to sit down and shut up. Preferably in an orange jump suit.

Palinoia
9/13/2011 10:44:12 am

@ Tom / 14:23:50

See my response to someone earlier re: HIPAA and finding claims. It would be a violation of HIPAA laws for a TPA or the State Benefits dept to disclose whether claims were received.

Palinoia
9/13/2011 10:47:05 am

@ V-A / 14:37:03

BINGO - you have the entire gist of my post, in 100 words or less! Maybe I should have you write Part II, LOL!

LisaB2595
9/13/2011 10:50:58 am

Thank you for the post, Palinoia. As someone with insurance experience, I appreciate your input.

How common is insurance fraud? Sarah talks about having an amniocentesis done under a fake name: what facility that you would trust your unborn child to would process false insurance claims?

And anyone who would file false insurance claims would surely not blink an eye to violating HIPPA to secretly release records. I really have a hard time believing in a conspiracy this large. Can you advise?

Palinoia
9/13/2011 10:51:57 am

@ curiouser / 14:49:39

Believe me, I was pretty SHOCKED when I found the RFP with the census list! I had to pinch myself since it was irrefutable proof that Sarah AND family were on the State's coverage.

I know you questioned the Matrix the first time around, and all your points are extremely valid, and certainly things I wondered for myself as well. I have good news for you, Part II should lay to rest all of these concerns. I think you'll really enjoy it.

mxm
9/13/2011 10:53:47 am

Related comments from our Anon238 friend:

10:39
I'm not sure of the exact date. I know he was already born on Valentine's day 2008, though. I have not actually seen the birth certificate, only heard discussion by family members as to why they can never show it. Sarah is desperate to get a good fake but scared presenting a fake would be her undoing. She has begged CBJ for help with this, but CBJ has definitely had enough with "helping" Sarah and has refused.
As for the names on the birth certificate...it's a convoluted mess as to why I can't just come out and say it...but keep in mind the ONLY people I would protect are those who are innocent here...or at least WERE innocent when all of this happened. I will say this...Sadie has likely done some serious thinking lately and I would not be surprised in the least if her "Levi and Bristol are definitely not parents to any baby besides Tripp" party line has changed.
Trig was NOT born at MSRMC...period.





Brad Scharlott
9/13/2011 10:59:28 am

Palinoia: If both Ruffles and Normal-ear Trig had/have Down Syndrome, then I suspect that neither was born to Bristol. The odds against a girl Bristol's age have a DS baby are more than 1,000 – and what a coincidence that would be, considering a DS is exactly what Sarah and McCain's ticket needed to give them the best chance to win.

So if both Trig's had/have DS, then most likely neither was Bristol's baby.

mxm
9/13/2011 11:00:27 am

From a family member's experience with preemie twins (twin to twin transfusion syndrome survivors), who spent some considerable NICU and SDU time, within a day or so of delivery the parents were meeting with someone from the hospital's billing/insurance unit. That woman was incredibly helpful and convinced my family that they needed to apply for state aid, as their private insurance would not provide for all demands.

Doubt a hospital would let this go to long before they started the 'pay for' efforts.

Banyan
9/13/2011 11:05:25 am

The only evidence for Ruffles having DS, is the observation by the Neonatologist. It was fairly equivocal, I thought. And personally, I don't see it.
I would want second, third, or more, medical opinions on that one. Based solely on a photograph of a preemie...it's just too difficult to say.

Also, the idea that FAS, like Down Syndrome, is reliably diagnosable at birth is just wrong.

FAS is usually diagnosed much later and there are not clear-cut diagnostic features the way there are for DS.

Many pregnant women who drink during pregnancy, give birth to children who do NOT have FAS (at least in any obvious form.)

Generally a child is not diagnosed with FAS until some intellectual/behavioral deficits are diagnosed in childhood.

What sometimes happens, though,especially in NICUs, is that if a mother is known to be an alcoholic then anything that is subsequently found to be wrong with the baby will be blamed on "FAS". But this is not necessarily good science/medicine.

The ear deformity may (or may not) be part of a DS diagnosis, or could be eventually diagnosed as part of an FAS diagnosis, or could be unrelated to either condition.

guest
9/13/2011 11:24:17 am

I stopped reading at "Curyung Tribal Council". I'll finish later.

Very very important to the whole picture - is that a SPECULATIVE comment, ASSUMPTION, or based on something real? Do you KNOW that or you're guessing that?

Please do reply. If that's a REAL detail, it is the key.

Melly
9/13/2011 11:24:46 am

Microtia can be associated with trisomy 21, but I do not find association with FAS.

Recall from SP's emails the Oct 08 warning that the state health dept needed to speak to SP and that she should be in a quiet place where she could sit down for the call. I suspect something reportable, from prenatal testing, came to the attention of the dept re Bristol, and they contacted SP. FAS can't be dx'd prenatally. DS can, of course, and many other syndromes.

Melly
9/13/2011 11:26:09 am

Sorry, that was Oct 07. will look for the email.

lilli
9/13/2011 11:32:45 am

In Alaska you do not need to be a Alaskan Native tribal member to get Indian Health care..You do need a CIB card from the BIA. MY son who is 1/16 and his son who is 1/32 (both have a CIB card and are not enrolled because they need to be 1/4 native blood) went to Alaska last summer to work, while there, my granson got sick and they had no insurance, he went to the Native Health clinic and was taken care of by their doctors. There are different blood quantum % for enrolling in the different tribes but for the CIB card you need to document and have proof of your Indian heritage.

Ottoline
9/13/2011 11:33:47 am

I'm not following this really well, but is it possible that due to the need to go with open enrollment (when is that, for them?), the documents from the church would have been needed, but SP knew they the documents didn't show the info she wanted them to show, therefore the fire.

I have a feeling you have a well-thought-out surprise for us tomorrow, Palinoia. Thank you in advance.

Jen
9/13/2011 11:45:32 am

The important bit in all this is the fact that care wouldn't have extended to the infant after 72 hours, if Bristol was the mother. Long after the baby got out of NICU, a special needs child will still have a lifetime of medical needs, and Bristol was not in a position to provide at her young age. Palin could've decided to use the overwhelming financials to persuade B to let her adopt, and spare the scandal of a pregnant teenager with a special needs child (esp if the issues are a result of FAS). Maybe Palin didn't necessarily fraud the insurance company, and maybe they were saddled with large medical bills for that period in NICU (motivation to quit governing and rake in the dough?), but this is the first solid information to put forth a real scenario as to how the hoax was born. And if Palin paid off the medical bills, and Levi is also Trig's father, that would also explain why his behavior seems so bizarre regarding custody of Tripp. Maybe he never had a leg to stand on because Sarah bailed those kids out in a moment when they had a huge responsibility that almost no young teenager could handle. Geez, the more this starts to make sense the sadder it all seems. A big mess that just gets bigger and uglier the longer the truth is denied.

Claudia
9/13/2011 11:50:23 am

After reading Myrna Nichol's post the light bulb went on.

Levi writes that Bristol was angry that Sarah was pregnant and wanted to get pregnant herself. Translation: Sarah had demanded to adopt Bristol's baby-Trig. Bristol refused, Sarah, being Sarah, went ahead and announced she was pregnant anyway. So Bristol was furious at Sarah and retaliated by getting pregnant again.

Up
9/13/2011 11:53:10 am

First, Palinoia thank you for a riveting post. I appreciate the amount of work that went into researching, then writing in terms laymen can understand.

Otto line, I was just thinking about the church fire too. The birth records would have been protected by HIPAA, and all hospitals make sure their employees understand the penalty of a HIPAA violation.

However, some other type of birth-related record at a church would not be subject to such laws. Is anyone familiar with the traditions of the church which was burned?

My ex husband was adopted through Catholic Charities. In the old days, Catholics baptized babies as soon as possible after birth. My ex was baptized prior to adoption. When I was gathering paperwork required for our marriage I called the church where his baptism was performed, and the staff person inadvertently told me his birth name. Could there have been a similar document for a young baby boy in that church?

Stored adoption records never made sense to me because that would be a legal document with another copy in files at a courthouse.

B
9/13/2011 11:53:27 am

First, a disclaimer that I haven't yet absorbed all of this wonderful post.

Didn't Bristol state in court that Tripp had free Native Alaskan health care? If so, Trig could be covered whether he was Todd & Sarah's or Bristol & someone's.

I bet Sarah got him covered by that and then added him to her state insurance in the open enrollment period, when I suspect a birth certificate was not required, since she had her other children in the SOA plan.

Would you be the employee who demands the birth certificate, during open enrollment, from your vindictive governor who very publicly claimed pregnancy and produced a baby?

Anon anon is convinced that Trig was never officially adopted by Sarah. If so, and he was enrolled in the SOA plan during open enrollment, as Sarah's own email indicates she intended to do, we have **insurance fraud**.

On the other hand, if Trig was not eligible for Native Alaskan care for his NICU bill, a huge amount owed could be what Sarah held over Levi's (and the Johnstons') head in extracting an agreement not to claim the child or ever speak of what happened.

comeonpeople
9/13/2011 11:54:23 am

Palinoia: HIPAA is overridable in cases of fraud, no? So, if there is enough evidence to suspect fraud, can't some savvy lawyer do something to investigate?? Not just insurance fraud ( I don't think there is insurance fraud), but hoaxing the nation fraud?

rubbernecking
9/13/2011 11:54:34 am

@KatieTaylor, on page 3 of the email file (http://www.crivellawest.net/palinAll/pdf/15777.pdf) it says the upcoming benefit year begins on July 1, 2008.

Tom link
9/13/2011 11:56:41 am

Meanwhile, back at the Storm Lake half-marathon, I think it's been proven, based on a preponderance of circumstantial evidence and supporting photos (thanks palinoia), that at the very least the photo that GVS posted showing SP at the start of the race is a FAKE.

Photos also prove that SP started with, and was running with, the 5K crowd, not the half-marathon crowd.

This isn't as dramatic as the Trig business, not nearly. And it may be difficult to prove that she didn't run the whole half and accepted the 2nd plce medal fraudulently without an eyewitness coming forward. But do you recognize the incredibly annoying similarities with babygate? It's right in front of us, but we can't prove it adequately (YET).

comeonpeople
9/13/2011 12:01:06 pm

Forgot to say above that HIPAA is also overridable in national security threats. So, here is our collective plan: When she decides to run as either a third party or whatnot, we need to expose her as a crazy lady who faked a pregnancy. Crazy people are a national security threat.Candidate Palin is a national security threat. Override HIPAA. Where are our lawyers?

Palinoia
9/13/2011 12:05:30 pm

WOW!!!! I just finally got down to Rubbernecking's discovery of the Open Enrollment email. This is HUGE, but, as always it now creates even MORE questions.

@ Katie Taylor - I'm so glad you jumped in and am really thankful you only had one "pick" on my interpretations, as someone in the same general line of work. That is the difficulty of insurance and benefits and insurance contracts/benefit summaries. Interpretation means everything when it comes down to paying the claims.

I'll address your first post re: 72 hour newborn coverage rule, and then I'll address the open enrollment email in a separate post.

We have a difference of opinion on this, and it certainly does not negate anything you said - I just agree to disagree. I learned long ago, that the "safer" route in benefits interpretation is to read benefits EXACTLY as they are stated and make no assumptions otherwise.

So, with regard to the 72 Hour Rule, it does not specifically state Well Newborn or Routine Newborn care. It just states "Newborn Care" period. It also then follows with "sick care" as also being covered. It does not state that "sick care" is EXCEPTED from the 72 hour rule. So, I still stand by my interpretation, as 72 hours only if child is never added as an eligible dependent, even if they are still admitted to a facility. I have some additional information coming up in Part II that will also help clarify this from a claims payment standpoint (with more documentation).

If you still stand by your assessment, please expand on why you think the State, as a self-insured plan, would open itself up to contractually absorbing upwards of a 1/2 Million dollars (as some premies cost) in neonatal care for a newborn who is never enrolled to the plan?

Industry standards again, from a claims payment standpoint are: if I (myself) am covered on my plan and I end up hospitalized for a lengthy stay...let's say my employer goes through open enrollment and actually switches insurance carriers during my hospitalization. Who pays? My prior carrier is on the hook for the entire stay usually, and the new carrier picks up after discharge, just as you outlined with regard to the 72 hour rule. However, that is IF I (or covered dependent) are already on the plan and a carrier switch is made.

So, I really thank you for your input, but I hope you'll expand on WHY you interpreted the 72 hour rule as you did when it means the State of Alaska (with the public's money) would be potentially paying for HUGE claims for non-enrolled dependents if they operated under your interpretation.

Thanks!

nancydrewed
9/13/2011 12:08:59 pm

@Claudia. I always thought the teens refused, then relented, then showed up at Mat-Su to leave with the child who at that point was still theirs. The Wild Ride was perhaps constructed when the kids left Sarah's script and Grandpa and Grandma were called in to keep order until the "adoptive" parents arrived from Texas.

What an interesting thread though. Paperwork crosses with obfuscation, bullshit and Palinlogic. Impressive.

nancydrewed link
9/13/2011 12:16:22 pm

@Claudia --follow-up. What I meant was that the scenario of the teens refusing, then relenting, and then arriving to claim the child unfolded over a period of some time.

Sarah thought she had done enough dress rehearsals. Bristol and Levi went wildly off-script. . Wild Ride ensued.

Palinoia
9/13/2011 12:22:16 pm

@ Guest / 18:24:17

The Curyung Tribal Council is FACT if you believe the documents Bristol submitted in her child support/custody case for TRIPP.

You have me curious by your comment.... you can view the mention of Tripp's membership here, on page 8 of the pdf, Line 22/23 of the legal document.

http://images.eonline.com/static/news/pdf/PlaygirlSubpoena.pdf

Balzafiar
9/13/2011 12:28:14 pm

Palinoia, what you have written just might be the key to getting the landslide started and bury Palin with it. It truly is an insightful article. Thanks so much for spending the long hours doing the research. We owe you!

I'm only a layman, but my first impression is one of insurance fraud, so I am very certain that if there is a private company that underwrites the SOA policies, they would be extremely interested in knowing more.

In general, insurance companies have the deep pockets and aggressive lawyers to go after fraud.

If the SOA is self-insured, not so much.

Just my thoughts...

Palinoia
9/13/2011 12:30:17 pm

@ Katie Taylor / 17:30:15

The State of Alaska plan renewal is for July 1st every year. Their open enrollment period is usually partway from May into June for July 1st eff dates.

Also to clarify 30 vs 60 day window. My interpretation is this:

There is a 30 day "qualified event" enrollment period, so within 30 days of birth to add a newborn or within 30 days of adoption/legal custody, meaning you have to have your enrollment form in by then. The 60 day window is the window they give to provide the actual supporting documentation so they can finish the enrollment.

If either piece fails, then the child wouldn't be added to the plan and would have to wait until open enrollment.

For example, if I wait until day 40 after date of birth to add my newborn and send the enrollment form in then, it won't matter if I also include the birth certificate because I'm outside my 30 day window to add the child. Conversely, I could send in my enrollment form within 30 days, but fail to provide the birth certificate within the 60 day window, and again my child wouldn't be enrolled since I didn't have my supporting documentation in on time.

I'll have more on this in Part II....now off to work on the meaning of this open enrollment email!

honestyingov
9/13/2011 12:36:24 pm

Laura,
You made reference to what a week's worth of bills for your son costs, IE:50K.
I went into the hospital ( Emergency room visit with a severe stomach pain ) on a Friday afternoon ( about 5 yrs ago)and was diagnosed with an enflamed appendix. Was prepped and immediately went into surgery. Had the appendix removed laprascopically with 3 tiny incisions, cuts could be covered with bandaids. No major surgery.
I stayed overnight Saturday and was released at about 3 pm Sunday afternoon. None of my recovery involved any special monitoring. I was there about 1 1/2, maybe 48 hrs total, beginning to end.
No special monitoring or nurses or specialists. Pretty common and average by todays standards. And I am an adult, not some fragile newborn.(I don't have a hole in my heart {supposedly} either.) My Bill for a day and a half was $28K.
Just another example of hospital costs for a relatively 'SIMPLE' procedure.

eclecticsandra
9/13/2011 12:41:27 pm

This is quite the interesting thread. I am off thread, but this reminded me of a presentation I heard many years ago. A social worker was discussing the problem of allowing parents to grief for their miscarried, still born, or infant death. One of the things that clued her in on the family's non-closure was naming the next child with the same name. Eg, Tripp who was Trig and then Tripp.

I started the book on Clari today. I hope you get the same royalties from the Kindle as the hard copy version. As a Cal graduate I am surprised you found so many republicans in Berkeley.

Laura Novak link
9/13/2011 12:42:17 pm

Honesty, SO sorry to hear that. And how amazing those inflated figures are. I imagine that we could have an entire discussion about that subject alone.

I have no idea why the comments are bleeding over the margins. I'll contact Weebly about it. But if it can't get corrected soon, just hang in there. It shouldn't be this way. But hopefully they can correct it soon.

Thanks everyone for a fascinating discussion. I too think this is a bomb shell of the highest order.

Laura Novak link
9/13/2011 12:44:37 pm

And Eclecticsandra, Thank you SO much for buying Finding Clarity. Yes, those wealthy folk are high up in those hills and a bucket of fun to write about. Look forward to hearing how you like it. Someone wrote me a great comment here today on it...and now you! Many thanks again!

Laura Novak link
9/13/2011 12:48:31 pm

Oh, and there is no hard copy. Finding Clarity is only on Kindle for now.

CDNpotpourri
9/13/2011 12:49:55 pm

@Laura
I am more of a background fan and rarely comment. I have read many blogs, particularly those related to all-things Palin. I wanted to take this opportunity to tell you directly that I enjoy your blog immensly. Your interesting posts successfully foster honest, healthy, and intelligent discussion and debate, while maintaining a pleasant and friendly atmosphere. Thank you.

@Palinoia
Very impressive. Thoroughly researched and effectively documented. Thank you for the insight and for sharing your knowledge. Kudos to the time you have invested in responding to the questions of your readers. I'm sure I speak for many, that it is highly appreciated.

@Watching and Waiting
Excellent analysis, and a very plausible theory which I've entertained myself for the last while.

@Katie Taylor
Thank you for your clarification.

@search4more
I wholeheartedly agree with your statement that Wooley and/or Butler could be great sources and worth exploring.

In general, I'm pretty versed on all the scandals and skeletons associated with Palin, however, this tale of "two babies" (Ruffles & Trig) is where I take a confused tailspin. It's the only aspect of this Palin ruse that I haven't nailed down a plausible "story-line".

Tom link
9/13/2011 12:52:14 pm

@nancy drewed

This is terrible but when you described your flip flop trip and subsequent black eyes I laughed just like you do when you're walking down the street and a companion trips. It's like I was there. Sorry but it made me laugh. Get better soon. (See you next fall).

Palinoia
9/13/2011 12:59:39 pm

Last clarification 30 day window vs. 60 day window.

I should have said that what the State is really doing here is giving parents 30 days from date of birth/adoption to enroll their child, and an additional 30 days to get the supporting documentation in - I re-read what I wrote to Katie, and thought it could be interpreted as 30 plus another 60 for a total of 90 days, which I do not believe is the case. It is 30 to enroll, plus an additional 30 for a total of 60 days for the supporting documents.

FrostyAK
9/13/2011 01:00:18 pm

Karleen Jackson was appointed by Murcowski, and fired by $P, for what seems to be the same reasons she got rid of the other top health professionals.

http://www.narf.org/cases/jackson.htm

I found this when looking for her name. Doubt it means anything, but the date is in our time period.

http://www.narf.org/cases/jackson.htm

More articles on $P and Karleen Jackson, if anyone is interested:

http://pipl.com/directory/people/Karleen/Jackson

Sue
9/13/2011 01:08:13 pm

This is all so sad. It seems virtually impossible to insure a baby born with complications to a teen unless she qualifies for government assistance. I'm not saying this excuses insurance fraud and elaborate hoaxes. I feel for the honest families who find themselves in the same situation. What are their options?

If this is what Sarah went through to insure Trig, she must know who the real "death panels" are.

nancydrewed link
9/13/2011 01:08:24 pm

Tom -- Thanks. I was warned over and over about this by my family guys. Arghh. Stupid me. Oh. Split lips will be the last to heal. :-) Nose if broken is just going to have to do its thing. I meant to make you laugh. Gallows humor, huh?

rubbernecking
9/13/2011 01:16:42 pm

@Laura, I think the margin problem occurs when a commenter posts a hyperlink that is very long (over 145 characters). weebly doesn't know how to break the line because there's no space in the link text.

Anyone posting a comment with http links can use tinyurl. Just go to http://www.tinyurl.com and enter the http link. Tinyurl will return a short http address you can use in your comment.

Katie Taylor
9/13/2011 01:20:22 pm

Palinoia, first of all let me say that you have done excellent work here.

Let's take a look at the 2nd part of the language in question again.

"Charges for a newborn who has suffered an accidental injury,illness, premature birth or other abnormal condition are
covered like any other medically necessary services."

If ALL newborn confinements were subject to the same 72 limit for coverage, this 2nd paragraph would be unnecessary. Rule of insurance agreements and plan documents, don't add any additional language that can be used by an insured to make a claim for additional benefits. Clearly there is a different level of coverage for newborns in the situations above. That coverage is equal to any other medically necessary services under the plan.

I have some experience with writing SPD and contract language and feel certain that my interpretation is correct. It is a fact that plans have unlimited liability for premies or other neonates until they are discharged. My company ended up picking up a 1 million claim for a grand child because the extreme premature baby who required a transplant at 6 months was never discharged before the policy maximum was exhausted. Once the policy benefit was exhausted the baby was transferred onto the state's Medicaid plan.

One other important fact, under state and government plans and a good deal of commercial insurance plans, hospitals are reimbursed using DRG (diagnosis related grouping) methodology which means that the length of confinement is irrelevant. The payment to the hospital under this reimbursement methodology has nothing to do with either length or confinement or actual services provided during the hospital confinement. Payment is determined based on the diagnosis of the patient. For premie sick newborns these global payments are determined using the birth weight unless there is a clear definitive diagnosis also present such as a heart condition requiring open heart surgery or a transplant. Under certain circumstances additional surgeries can generate additional payments over and above the DRG amount. Finally, the full hospital charges are deemed to be incurred on the first date of admission under DRG which also serves to make the actual length of confinement irrelevant.

Please re-read the language once more and see if you still hold to your interpretation; Even the first part of the passage that speaks of the 72 hour limit references "routine care".

I have enjoyed the discussion this evening tremendously. I'm taking a break from this intriguing Sarah drama to go check the election results for NY 09 and see if the Dems can manage to hold on to Anthony Wiener's seat. I'm looking forward to your further posts.

Venefica
9/13/2011 01:25:30 pm

Re the June 4, 2008 email: "Don't let me forget to enroll Trig." BOMBSHELL, indeed! What a great find. Perhaps the pregnancy hoax will finally be unraveled this way. Follow the money, indeed.

I don't think anyone's re-posted the very important "Health Dependent Enrollment update" email [1397.pdf (Crivella)] of May 21, 2008 in this thread. It was addressed to Governor Palin.

In that email, an Alaska state employee wrote: "This is a reminder from the Benefits Section to let you know that, to date, we have not received the dependent verification documents for your new child. To ensure continued coverage for your newborn, please submit a copy of the child's Birth Certificate to us within 60 days of the date of birth. Claims submitted for your dependent child after this time period will be pended until this documentation has been received by the Benefits Section."

Evidently, the Palins had NOT sent in Trig's BC...which would seem to be to be something a parent would automatically do. Note also that the issue related to "continued coverage." Does that mean Trig had already received benefits?

Janice Mason forwarded the request to Todd, with the tag "URGENT."

Todd's response, on May 23, 2008, was: "I called, thanks."

Nothing about taking care of getting the docs -- "a copy of the child's Birth Certificate" -- submitted. Just "I called."

And now we see that Trig STILL hadn't been enrolled as of June 4th.

jeff
9/13/2011 01:32:43 pm

@palinoia,

Thank you for all the time and expertise you applied to the insurance matter. Your work is outstanding! I especially appreciate all of the documentation you provided.

I do have a couple of questions, but I haven't had time to read all of the comments yet so I'll wait to see if my questions have already been asked and answered. But I wanted to first say thanks for a job well done!

jeff

FrostyAK
9/13/2011 01:33:43 pm

Curyung Tribal Council is in Diilingham, place of Toad's family heritage.

http://www.bbna.com/crg/curyung/index.htm

everspring
9/13/2011 01:35:20 pm

Wow, what an excellent post. So much to consider.

I don't want to sound heartless here, but with respect to Bristol, who most of us assume is Trig's mom, why do we also assume she wanted to keep the baby? I would think that a young girl (Bristol) and boy (Levi) might be willing to give up a baby, particularly one with special needs which they may not be emotionally equipped to handle. My feeling is she had the baby and was planning on having him adopted. Trig being born with special needs would have made adoption difficult if not impossible. So, I could see a young girl willing to give her child up for adoption, but not to her mother as that would be weird. Hence, I could see where she would be angry with her mom about this. But, angry to the point of wanting to have another baby right away doesn't make any sense at all - after just giving birth to a special needs child, would you want to go through that pain and risk all over again in less than a year? None of this rings true for me.

Cracklin Charlie
9/13/2011 01:54:27 pm


I Love Smart People!

Everyone's comments are so great, this thread is rockin'!

Just an observation, with a few questions. Did anon me again say that Trig was born with lots of needs, and that for a long time, his condition was rather touch and go? If Sarah hatched the scheme to pay medical bills in March 08 when she announced the pregnancy, Trig would have been born much earlier than Feb 2008, to amass bills so large that she would need to possibly rob her legal defense fund to pay the bills.

And the info about the HHS director is chilling. Could she have fired the director that refused to play ball and replaced them with a "friendly"? This part and the Miller fire is bringing to mind, for me, that the truth about the hoax is dark and sinister, and not anything having to do with the babies.

And the timing of the "friendly" director's resignation, and her own resignation...could these events have occurred about the time they got Trig and Tripp's paperwork in order? According to anon me again, was this around the time that Sarah was so afraid of exposure?

Melly,
Thanks for posting that info about the quiet place email. Perhaps that is when Sarah was told that Bristol was expecting baby number two. Also interesting is who sent it to her, as I think I may have heard that Parnell was one of the few who knew the story of what happened. Okay, I will shut up now. Thanks again, palinoia.

Cracklin Charlie
9/13/2011 01:56:31 pm

Sorry, one more.

Yes, Bristol and Levi went off script to necessitate the wild ride...Bristol went into premature labor!

V ictoria link
9/13/2011 01:57:20 pm

Wow! Drinking my first coffee and reading really fascinating stuff. Thanks Palinoa, and everyone else.

I had always wondered about the insurance coverage, how on earth the Palins could get Trig covered. The open enrollment explains it. And the medical bills are a powerful motive for BP to stay silent.

A question about the announcement in the Frontiersman and supposedly in ADN. I had always read that Mat Su did not publish an announcement of Trig's birth - so would the newspaper announcement have been done by the parents? Is there a way to check the birth announcement policy of these papers?

search4more
9/13/2011 02:09:35 pm

FrostyAK,

That's an interesting case you linked to.

http://www.narf.org/cases/jackson.htm

I haven't looked into it at all really so this is just a bit of wild out of the box thinking which probably isn't important. In theory it seems in Alaska as long as there is some tribal blood involved you can adopt reasonably easily and possibly bypass some legal hurdles? Anyone know how it works? I'm thinking that Todd could adopt through these rules.

search4more
9/13/2011 02:22:48 pm

"Whether the Ninth Circuit correctly held—in
conflict with the decisions of this Court and other
courts as well as with the express intent of Congress--
that the hundreds of Indian tribes throughout the
State of Alaska have authority to initiate and
adjudicate child custody proceedings involving a nonmember
and then to compel the State to give full faith
and credit to the decrees entered in such proceedings."

..."Defendants-appellants
below were Karleen Jackson, William H. Hogan, and
Phillip Mitchell. Hogan and Hefley have been
substituted for the previously named defendants (who
were also sued in their official capacities) pursuant to
Supreme Court Rule 35.3. Petitioners have
responsibility for issuing new birth certificates
recognizing valid adoptions in Alaska."

http://www.narf.org/sct/hoganvkaltag/petition_for_cert.pdf

SLQ
9/13/2011 02:23:42 pm

Rubbernecking, good catch! You said, "On June 4, 2008 Todd emails Palin reminding her to enroll Trig during Open Enrollment. Palin then emails her asst "Don't let me forget to enroll Trig." Yikes! "

I also worked in HR in a global company, and this tells me that Todd did not provide the birth certificate in response to the earlier e-mail, so Trig was NOT covered at that point. If he were enrolled after he was born, there would be no need to re-enroll him again during open enrollment.

Phyllis
9/13/2011 02:26:50 pm

@ Victoria
Here is your answer on what the Frontiersman's policy was before Jan 2009.


http://tinyurl.com/695lc9d

They listed births that they received from Mat-Su Regional right up to Dec 30 2008.

indy_girl
9/13/2011 02:26:54 pm

Interesting, something just caught my eye that I has missed before: Anon238 said early on that Trig was born before Valentine's Day. Then today I saw this quote from ANON238:

"In the photo with the mommy's valentine shirt, he has little round band aid type circles on both cheeks...."

I know there are still a lot of doubters out there, but I think Anon has the real info on the Jan/early Feb birth window. Any mom or grandma who shops for infant clothing KNOWS that the cute holiday onesies and t-shirts come out during the month before the holiday, and are gone the week after to make room for the next big holiday's merchandise. (Mommy's Little Easter Bunny!")

In fact, I would bet that "Mommy's Valentine" NICU/SDU pic was taken the week of the Valentine's Day holiday, and possibly even right on Feb. 14th. What first time mommy doesn't save the cute Valentine onesie for the very first Valentine's Day they spend with their sweet new baby...? Am I right, Bristol?

No wonder Trig always looked so big for his alleged "age"....he'll be turning 4 right after Christmas.


FrostyAK
9/13/2011 02:33:29 pm

The only part of the tribal law I am personally aware of is that whites are most often not allowed to adopt native children. We are very often not allowed to foster native children either. A matter of culture and customs.

Good catch on the TP possibility of ease of adoption due to blood. A trail worth another look. Here is AK adoption law:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/45652745/21-Alaska-Adoption-Law

Sorry, due to vision problems I am unable to go through it to see if it is relevant.

And it seems the case involving Jackson was not finally adjudicated by the AK SC until recently.

http://newsminer.com/bookmark/12213924-Alaska-tribes-win-adoption-court-case

SLQ
9/13/2011 02:36:10 pm

Palinoia, you said, "If the insurance had the info, and then finds out the 'story-line'... wouldn't they SUE THE @#$% out of her for faking it?"

This is an interesting questions. If the insurance had the real bills, with the real mother's name (Bristol?), and that person was covered on the policy, they would have no reason to sue because of the fake pregnancy hoax. They would have no damages.

I suspect the reason Sarah returned to work right away, i.e. not missing ANY work days, was because she realized it would be fraud. I also suspect she did not defaud any insurance company for the same reason. Therefore, HIPAA prohibits any of these people, who have the real documents, from spilling the beans about the fake pregnancy.

Having said that, I'm really looking forward to your next post, because I keep wondering why they would send the "need the birth certificate" e-mail. If they know the identity of the real mother, who would have to be Bristol for them to cover the bill at all and also contact Sarah for the b/c, the only reason to require the b/c is because coverage continues for the baby.

Or, if the hospital faked the bills, the insurance company was in the dark . . . but I'll save those questions until after your new post. ;)

myrna nichols
9/13/2011 02:38:34 pm

@everspring: I don't think that Bristol, if she was the 16 unwed teen mother of a premature special needs child was in any position to think rationally. She would have been filled with conflicted emotions, wanting the baby to survive, wanting to love the baby, worried because he arrived too early. There are enough hormones and emotions making pregnant women and new mothers very emotional, even when they are married and had a planned pregnancy.

I understand that Bristol had a tumultuous relationship with Sarah earlier. Sarah suspected that Bristol was pregnant in May 2007, and took away her cell phone as punishment. There were rumors of them screaming at each other. From what we have seen of Sarah's controlling, emotional level of operating, Bristol may have been willing to give the child to a loving family who had been trying to have a child. The thought of her own mother taking the child, for political gain is something that would have made Bristol both angry and jealous. (Sarah announced her "pregnancy" the day after McCain was selected.)

What an emotional situation it must have been for Bristol to watch Sarah claim the child as her own, describe labor pains that she never had, even drag Trig to work in a sling everyday. (Any other professional woman would have hired a nurse and left the child at home, or made suitable arrangements). Sarah claimed to be pumping milk, so she didn't need to nurse Trig; she could have left milk.

We all saw the tender convention scene where Levi and Bristol fondled 5 month old Trig, Levi kissing the boy tenderly on the head. That one picture said it all. Bristol loved the little boy, and was made to live a lie. I also think that Bristol's remarkable good fortune in having a TV show, a book, appearing on Dancing with the Stars, endorsements, houses, condos are all Sarah's way of keeping Bristol quiet and in line. Bristol's getting pregnant again so quickly was an "in your face" kind of rebellion to get even with Sarah for taking Trig. I think that there is continuing tension between them, with each one playing the other. What a terrible thing for a mother to do to her own child and grand child. What does it do to the other kids who realize that Sarah could treat them the same way, manipulating their lives.

I get the impression that Trig's current care (according to the anonymous writer at IM) costs plenty of money. Sarah needs to keep making those $100,000. speeches and collecting donations to her PAC.

FrostyAK
9/13/2011 02:43:36 pm

Birth announcements for April 2008 in the Frontiersman:

http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2008/05/06/local_news/new_faces/doc481ffb5722548564626298.txt

"Mat-Su Regional Medical Center welcomed ..."

But he's not listed in the hospital birth own announcements. Makes one go hmmmm...

V ictoria link
9/13/2011 02:45:02 pm

@Phyllis - thank you for that.

That is truly bizarre. Because it is so bizarre I am recopying this and encouraging others to read this inexplicable change in policy.

http://tinyurl.com/695lc9d

What on earth happened such that Mat Su reacted this way?

SLQ
9/13/2011 02:46:30 pm

This line of thinking feels like it's getting somewhere. Thanks, Palinoia, for your detailed work on this issue.

I noted that a few people have suggested that the purpose of the church fire may have been to destroy the birth certificate. I don't think that would be true. The birth certificate may well have been on file in the church, but the original would be safely on file with the state Dept. of Health & Human Services.

I suspect the fire was set to destroy other adoption/placement records for one of the substitute Trig's.

SLQ
9/13/2011 02:51:38 pm

Palinoia/Katie -- Can you please comment on whether the b/c paperwork instigated by the hospital & sent to the state, which then issues it, would also be automatically provided to the insurance company? Or . . . it sounds like you are saying that the b/c is not provided to the insurance company, so the parent must do so.

It seems like there's some confusion about that.

SLQ
9/13/2011 02:54:31 pm

Katie Taylor: " NOBODY in their right mind allows a special needs child to go uninsured when coverage is available unless they have something BIG to hide in the paperwork that would need to be provided to activate coverage."

B I N G O

V ictoria link
9/13/2011 02:55:06 pm

@SLQ - I have a similar suspicion. I've always thought Ruffles was "borrowed" and then adopted out through the church.

FrostyAK
9/13/2011 02:56:19 pm

Mat Su's change of policy for birth announcements? Their official reason is bull.

IMO, someone innocently forwarded the false info on the $P 'birth' to the Frontiersman and probably Mat Su could be held liable if we found out. Seems we did...

V ictoria link
9/13/2011 03:17:09 pm

@Frosty AK - at least the Frontiersman noticed that it was bull. I mean, most babies are home before the newspapers announce.

Didn't CBJ stop having privileges at Mat Su for at least a while? When was that, exactly? Could it have been the same time as when this policy went into effect?

search4more
9/13/2011 03:42:06 pm

So the Frontiersman announcement of births FrostyAK linked to provides us with the names of several people there in the building when Palin was. In the official story she had to be induced so although the birth might have been quick the whole process might not have been. Has anybody every tried to contact these people? Giving birth can take hours. I imagine a lot of these people will have been wondering the corridors out of boredom or to find a drink or some food. You have to fill the hours of waiting with something. A famous person is in a small hospital. You have to assume that some of that time is going to be wasted with gossiping about this. Your a nurse or midwife with a mother in a delivery room, you want to form a bit of a rapport so you engage in small talk. A famous person is in the building. It's going to be one of the first things you talk about isn't it?

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"KAYDEN LEXUS BUTTENOB, born to Amanda Frances Buttonob of Wasilla on April 18. She weighed 6 pounds, 7 ounces.

"HAYLEE MAY DAVISON, born to Jennifer Lynn Krueger and Daylen Dean Davison of Wasilla on April 18. She weighed 7 pounds, 6 ounces.

MAKAYLA ARI LEONARD, born to Christi Rose and Randall Leonard of Palmer on April 16. She weighed 10 pounds, 2 ounces.

TRIG PAXSON VAN PALIN, born to Sarah Louise and Todd Mitchell Palin of Wasilla on April 18. He weighed 6 pounds, 2 ounces.

DANIEL PAVLOVICH TERESHCHENKO, born to Lyubov Oleksandrivna and Pavlo M. Tereshchenko of Wasilla on April 18. He weighed 9 pounds, 2 ounces.

HAZEL MAY ROSE BANNON, born to Michelle Janeen and Samuel Lee Bannon of Wasilla on April 18. She weighed 7 pounds, 7 ounces."

SLQ
9/13/2011 03:45:01 pm

Search4more, if I recall correctly, some of those people were contacted, I think by a reporter, at the time. One said she had seen Todd in the hallway, and I think another said she saw the Heath's, but no one reported seeing Sarah.

V ictoria link
9/13/2011 03:48:34 pm

I may be jumping the gun, but there's that email where someone is asking SP for the birth certificate for insurance purposes. The fact that they had to go the other route for insurance - the open enrollment - is another big red flag. But this may be the subject of Palinoa's next big blog.

Phyllis
9/13/2011 04:09:23 pm

@ search4more
I sent this list to Gryphen at IM quite some time ago suggesting that he might try to get in touch with these people and ask them if they are any of their relatives had seen Sarah and Todd on the night of April 17th.
As he never mentioned anything on his blog I just took it for granted that he never tried to get in touch with of any of them.

jeff
9/13/2011 04:35:33 pm

@Palinoia and @kate taylor
Regarding the BOMBSHELL: Who paid for the preemie baby’s hospital and medical bills?

Please let me know if I am correct in my understanding of the following:
1. In the case of a baby born to a covered employee or spouse, there would be no need to re-enroll during an open enrollment period for coverage for a dependent that had been enrolled previously as the result of a life/status change. As I recall, with regard to continuation of coverage, there is no need to “do anything” during open enrollment unless there are changes in existing coverage such as adding benefits like vision, dental, etc. Is this correct?
2. If the DS baby was born to a covered dependent (Bristol), the baby would be ineligible for health coverage on Sara’s group health policy after the child was discharged following its birth. So, NO INSURANCE COVERAGE. Is this correct?

So, if Tri-G was born to Sarah, there’s no need to re-enroll him during open enrollment, because no person with a single ounce of single bit of financial acuity would leave themselves exposed to the financial risk of paying out-of-pocket for a preemie baby by not enrolling the child onto an existing policy, even if he is healthy enough to be discharged. There are KNOWN expected costs that would have to be paid out of pocket in their entirety for Tri-G, such as follow-up visits to his pediatrician, plus the costs of the referred visits to different specialists for the baby’s DS. No one would be imprudent enough to pay for those expenses VOLUNTARILY, as would be required for purposely not enrolling the child within the window for enrollment following birth. Even Sarah is smarter than that, if for no other reason is that it would require her spending her own money! For that reason alone, Sarah Palin did not give birth to Tri-G in April, 2008 nor on any other date. When you add in all of the physical evidence (or non-evidence), there is no doubt whatsoever about whether or not Sarah gave birth to Tri-G or any other baby in April, 2008.

If Bristol were to have given birth to Tri-G, any subsequent hospital bills would not be covered after the baby was discharged following birth. Even if the policy provided for coverage for a dependent’s costs related to childbirth, the newborn child would be uninsured following its discharge, unless it were immediately adopted to live with the grandparents, independent of the birth mother. There is no incentive to accept the risk because there is no potential financial benefit in having an uninsured dependent. If this were the case, wouldn’t Sarah and Todd need to adopt the baby immediately, in order to avoid the financial risk of having an uninsured newborn? If that is correct, then, for that reason, I do not believe that Bristol gave birth to Tri-G either.

So, where did this baby come from? What part does CBJ play? Or Bud Paxson? I don’t know the answer to either; I’m just thinking out aloud and hoping someone else can fill in the blanks. But we might never know those answers b/c of HIPAA.

Great conversation and input from everyone! Thanks.

curiouser
9/13/2011 04:39:33 pm

SLQ and search4more - Here are some quotes from 4/18 patient interviews:

WASHINGTON POST ARTICLE QUOTES EYEWITNESS TO THE LABOR (PROVEN FALSE)
"She loves Alaska," said Haylee Davison, who delivered a daughter the same day and watched her governor pace the hospital hallways to encourage labor. "She wanted her son to be born here, not Texas."
(note: Haylee May Davison is the baby's name--born to Jennifer Lynn Krueger. See Frontiersman birth announcements)
http://tinyurl.com/675l2nb

“Brett Michael Dykes of Radar Online contacted Haylee’s parents, Jennifer Krueger and Daylen Davison.

"We never saw Sarah before the delivery," said Davison. "I did see her a couple of days after and she didn't look like someone who'd just had a baby." Haylee's mother believes that the Post's error is all just a simple case of mistaken identity.

"I was the one pacing around trying to induce labor," said Krueger. "We saw Todd in the hall, not Sarah." Davison and Krueger went on to say that their birthing room at Mat-Su was two doors down from the Palin's and that everything they saw appeared to be completely normal”
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/09/sarah-palin-trig-baby-controversy.php
(Radar Online link no longer leads to story)

SLQ
9/13/2011 05:00:02 pm

Hi Brad. You said "The odds against a girl Bristol's age have a DS baby are more than 1,000 . . ."

While that may be true, the probability of a group cannot necessarily be extrapolated to an individual. This is called ecological fallacy. This fallacy assumes that individual members of a group have the average characteristics of the group at large. However, statistics that accurately describe group characteristics do not necessarily apply to individuals within that group. With regard to Down Symdrome, for an individual, she will either 1) have a baby with DS, or 2) she won't.

[Incidentally, I became very familiar with this concept due to legal arguments about the probability that a sex offender will reoffend. State sexually violent predator laws usually say something to the effect that a sex offender can be committed past his incarceration date if he is "more likely than not" to reoffend -- >50%. A cottage industry has cropped up in the psychological world to determine recidivism probabilities, based on group statistics. And what it comes down to, legally, is that probability, while relevant because it's all we have, is inaccurate. Statistics of a group show how many of, say, 1,000 sex offenders over age 40 will reoffend. Let's say 100 will reoffend or 10%. That means you'd have to release any sex offender over 40, because 10% is less than 51%, and some argue this is the correct result. But 100 of those individuals WILL reoffend, which is a risk to the community. Any one particular offender either will reoffend, or he won't. Thus, a more complicated analysis of past behavior of that offender, along with his response to treatment, is a better indicator of recidivism for an individual.) Sorry for the digression and choice of topics (I have mixed feelings about such laws), but it does put things in context, at least for me.

"Although the probability increases with maternal age, 80% of children with Down syndrome are born to women under the age of 35." Wikipedia, from from "National Down Syndrome Center". Retrieved 2006-04-21.

I have a relative who is a labor and delivery nurse, and she says the vast majority of DS babies in her hospital are born to young moms, often very young moms. So, all in all, I think it's risky to make a blanket statement about Bristol being the mother of Trig (or not) based on group statistics.

Palinoia
9/13/2011 05:16:39 pm

@ Katie - thanks you for the kind defense of your position, and your compliments regarding the research. It really is great to have a difference of opinion with respect!

I feel bad for the other posters here for you and I to get so technical (DRG's!), but hey if everyone learns something about how health plans and claims billing and claims payment works, it's all good.

Back to your response and how you interpreted the language. I agree on the DRG billing etc - in fact I went back and re-read further into the state's RFP to see if they specified in DRG information in their reporting requirements DRG. I would suppose if they were on a per diem basis
they wouldn't bother including DRG reporting requirements of the TPA. Actually, I retract that now because the State has retiree benefits, and DRG's are required anytime Medicare comes into the picture.

I did locate where they require DRG info, so it would appear that the SOA plans pay hospital claims by DRG's. So, I am bending a bit on my interpretation, although to just *read* the language on the 72 hour rule, I still want to interpret it my way, LOL.

I'm going to check into this further, because at the end of the day, despite our differences in interpretation, what really matters is how the State interprets that language and how the TPA applies it to claims payment.

Thanks again for the response, and for lending your expertise to the discussion as well. At least I think everyone here "gets" health insurance being pretty complicated :-)






Juneauite
9/13/2011 05:37:05 pm

@curiouser

Here is the Wayback Machine archive of the Radar Online article:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080912135345/http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/09/sarah-palin-trig-baby-controversy.php

This is new information for me. Thanks for posting

Palinoia
9/13/2011 05:41:15 pm

Ok gang, here is my first impression re:

Open Enrollment email of June 4th,2008 reminder to enroll Trig!

1st off, let me make something clear. Some of this will be in Part II, but I'll address now, and if Katie has something to add, I hope she does.

1. Plans do not just "add" dependents once they are born. Like I stated before, a phone call, or enrollment form has to be submitted to officially enroll a new dependent.

2. If a birth certificate is required, health plans do not ask for this BEFORE they have even received an actual enrollment (re: State request for the BC on 5/21).

3. Katie is correct - if we assume that Trig's enrollment was sent in based on a 4/18 date of birth within 30 days, which I believe happened (hence the BC request email), then there would have been 60 days from date of birth to send in the birth certificate. That would be approx 6/18. WHY are they now referring to "enrolling" Trig for Open Enrollment, if he was still in the 60 day window (from 4/18/08) to provide a birth certificate? Makes ZERO sense, unless...........there was a different date of birth...

3. Once you've added a dependent to ANY health plan as a newborn within the specified time frame, you DO NOT have to re-enroll the child at open enrollment. If a fully insured group plan is changing to another carrier (not TPA), all new enrollment paperwork is required. In a TPA situation it is the State who transmits all the census and enrollment information to the TPA if they switch TPA's at open enrollment. I found on the State website that participation in the state health plan is NOT optional.

4. AT MINIMUM, uninsured medical bills not withstanding, the June 4th "Enroll Trig" email means: SARAH did not give birth to this child! Who on earth has a KNOWN DS baby as she claims, with health issues, as she claims, pre-mature as she claims, and DOES NOT ENROLL THEIR CHILD ON THEIR HEALTHPLAN?????

As with ALL things Sarah - something is rotten here. To the core.


Heidi3
9/13/2011 06:09:13 pm

Terrific discussion here, and thank you for taking on such an immense and important project, Palinoia!

I'd like to repeat Brad Scharlott's comment above, to make sure we're all on the same page:

"Great work, Palinoia. Just a brief reminder that what you hypothesize makes great sense for Trig #1, aka Ruffles. The reprehensible thing is that Palin apparently used Ruffles as camouflage for bringing in Trig #2, the Down syndrome baby."

Brad's statement is well worth noting and repeating. During all of our discussions here, I'm going to assume that every time one of us uses the name "Trig", we are actually referring to Ruffles? That is how I'm taking it, but don't pretend to speak for everyone.

Anon 4:32 aka 'shitfire' specifically referred to "Trig #1", born very prematurely with a deformed ear. Information from her and Insider Anon 2:38 lead us to an early February 2008 (or slightly prior) birthdate of a tiny baby photographed in an NICU or Step Down Unit with traces of adhesive on his face. She also later stated that ONE ear was at issue.

I believe that Sarah did take Ruffles away from Bristol (but possibly not Levi) - we saw him most recently in the May '08 photos in Frank Bailey's book, appearing to be Sarah's baby. But in the same book, we also saw photos of "round ear" Republican Convention Trig, who I believe, as Brad does, was the replacement for Ruffles in all the (appalling) public appearances and is the current day Trig. When we saw Levi and Bristol kiss and cuddle on Round Ear Trig at the RNC, I believe we were seeing an emotional love transference and fond feelings for the Ruffles Sarah appropriated.

The insurance discussion here is BY FAR the most in-depth ever undertaken on any of the blogs in three years - what excellent revelations! Laura, thank you for providing this intelligent forum.


V ictoria link
9/13/2011 06:35:08 pm

@Heidi3: No. When I write about Trig, I mean the current Trig, as that is how the child is known. If we're talking about Ruffles we write Ruffles.

mxm
9/13/2011 06:37:36 pm

If T2 or RNC Trig was acquired for adoption, the Palins may have agreed to pay for any medical expenses that the birth parents were responsible for. Isn't that a common adoption arrangement?

If adopted, he could be covered. But Anon238 suggests that the birth parents have not allowed the adoption to go forward. So, Trig may not be covered. Or the Palins may be using some fraudulent means to cover him. Or the legal defense fund is tapped for his expenses, like SarahPAC is for his caregivers.

Ginger
9/13/2011 06:50:51 pm

Are you sure, Palinoia, that Bristol was covered for a pregnancy under Sarah's insurance? Granted, she was on her SOA policy but I sure didn't know it covered the pregnancy of a policy holder's teen.

Thanks for all your efforts and for bringing up the e-mail!

mxm
9/13/2011 06:58:23 pm

Posted June 2, 2011 by an anon commenter at IM at 4:32 pm

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/06/i-am-no-expert-on-pregnancy-but-is-it.html


For the person who asked about Trig's state at birth:

I can tell you with absolute certainty that Trig was NOT diagnosed with Down syndrome pre-natally. Period. In fact his condition wasn't known for a few weeks due to his startling prematurity. At the time of his birth, they were told that he could be blind, deaf, have cerebral palsy, and a host of other issues. I believe once his survival wasn't so precarious, he was tested more definitively for a number of syndromes.

I cannot say whether babies were switched or swapped...although I certainly have my suspicions...but the "original" Trig did have Down syndrome. I know when it was time for Trig's birth certificate to be issued...there was a skirmish over whose name(s) would be on it. Wish I could elaborate more but I just don't know enough of the details firsthand.
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This correlates with what DOC opined in one of his interviews with Laura. From photos of Ruffles, DOC felt that DS was present.

KMR
9/13/2011 07:15:44 pm

I'm behind the eight ball with no time to properly catch up. I've haven't read everything yet but I did want to say thank you to Palinoia for what everyone is saying is an extensive piece of work.

Up
9/13/2011 09:38:50 pm

Palinoia, I hope in a subsequent section you will discuss adding a child to a policy during open enrollment, and what doc would be required.

FWIW, Audrey at Palin's Deceptions proved that Mat-Su RMC did list Trig on its website then removed him. At one time you could google MatSu Regional + trig Palin and get the birth announcements for 4/18/08 (minus Trig's name.). This was a virtual shadow from a listing which once was there.

Ivyfree
9/13/2011 10:01:33 pm

Just wanted to add my thanks for the great article.

I'm going to go through the comments, but it made me wonder: maybe the original baby,"Ruffles," was legally adopted- but was the child presently known as Trig? Did Trig just get slipped in to take Ruffles' place? Is the insurance covering Ruffles or Trig or both at the same time with the insurance company only knowing about the existence of one child?

Ivyfree
9/13/2011 10:03:52 pm

"But Anon238 suggests that the birth parents have not allowed the adoption to go forward. So, Trig may not be covered. Or the Palins may be using some fraudulent means to cover him. Or the legal defense fund is tapped for his expenses, like SarahPAC is for his caregivers."

Which may explain why he was able to take that 2009 winter bus tour with Sarah- maybe they didn't want to spring for therapists for him?

B
9/13/2011 10:12:05 pm

@Up. Pretty sure that PD issue turned out to be a false alarm. Google was reflecting the fact that people had searched MatSu site for Trig, not that he actually used to be there.

b
9/13/2011 10:14:06 pm

@mxm. That comment sounds like Anon2:38.

Heidi3
9/13/2011 10:27:21 pm

NEW COMMENT from Anon Insider 2:38 as of Tuesday 9-13 8:39PM:

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/08/more-about-nick-broomfields-documentary.html?commentPage=2

This snippet is interesting -

"Sarah has made a big blunder in saying Levi wasn't present for Tripp's birth. If she had remembered...she'd already told in an interview that he WAS there. I think what happened is the same thing that's happened in SO many re-tellings related to the pregnancies, births, announcements, and so on. Levi was likely there for ONE OF the births but not the other."

jk
9/13/2011 10:53:45 pm

Amazing work! So much has surfaced in the past two days...just as I've had to focus on other things. Gosh darn those day jobs. Just one comment for now:
@Myrna, remember also too what anon238 said to Bristol at the very beginning: "You gave Trig to your mother KNOWING what she would do to him." I took this to mean more than knowing that Trig would be a political prop: who better than Bristol would know what an utterly useless -- and toxic -- mother Palin is? And if she couldn't be bothered to engage with healthy kids except for photo ops...well, Bristol might be dumb as a post but I do think she's more maternal than her mother, and she'd have to have known what her special needs' son would be in for.
Oops, duty calls.

Lilybart
9/13/2011 11:05:25 pm

This post shows how F-ed up the delivery of health care is in this country.

Andrea
9/13/2011 11:41:17 pm

Thanks so much for this post! Very thorough and informative.

I had always assumed that Trig was born much earlier than the official date, and that his DS was a surprise at birth.

This was not something I worked out - it just popped into my head, the way things do... “That baby has been alive quite some time and he is doing well.. SP stories about the amnio etc. are pure BS...”.

I supposed the delay in his presentation was due to his very poor state, maybe even his life in question, as well as all the family complications. Much later, I checked the dates with what I took as the “known” facts, and found my scenario fit quite well - which isn’t saying much, because many others scenarios work too.

Nevertheless, I could never understand the need for pretend pregnancy in my script and with Bristol as the mother - why did SP and Todd not simply adopt Trig? Having a baby as an unwed teen has done Bristol no harm - in fact it has earned her fame and fortune! SP ‘s creds as a pro-lifer would have been even stronger - she takes on a handicapped baby, a more altruistic act than getting preggers at 44 (if that is the correct age?) when you already have 4 kids and are pursuing an important career. And she would be putting family first, stressing the importance of family unity and love.

Additonally, the Mom-takes-over-grandkid is a very familiar, comforting kind of story. Most ppl know a family in which this has happened and worked well.

So in my reasoning, I tended to reject the idea that Bristol was the mother, to conclude that the fake pregnancy was essential for covering up some other facts, possibly dark secrets. The insurance provides a motive. Of a kind...

However, if SP submitted even one fake document, it is fraud, and very serious. Would she dare? I can’t quite see it I’m afraid. She appeared to avoid taking maternity leave..

As I have explained in other posts, pretending to be pregnant and to give birth for a certain audience (e.g. the village in which one lives - one’s family - the American public) is not criminal fraud, though one may consider it immoral, duplicitous, and so on.

I still strongly doubt Bristol is the mother, though I don’t exclude it.

Like Jeff above at 23 35, and others, it appears to me that the reminder to enroll Trig in open enrollment proves that Trig is not SP’s. No mother or parents would neglect the simple step of sending on a BC. In fact, in some non-US places, this simple formality, or ordinary routine, is accomplished behind the parent’s back, or isn’t even required at all.

Ctd. in part II

V ictoria link
9/13/2011 11:43:54 pm

I'm still intrigued by MatSu's change in birth-reporting (to newspapers) policy. Does anyone know the policies of other hospitals? Because the Frontiersman seemed rather surprised.

I can imagine that the policy could be instituted by nervous lawyers protecting hospitals from liability claims. If this policy has been instituted in other places, we should discount the information. If it is rare, then MatSu's got some 'splaining to do...

B
9/13/2011 11:49:47 pm

Latest from Anon238 at IM:

Anonymous said...
To most recent comment--Sarah does not need to "triangulate" nor speculate. She knows who I am. The person I get my "intel" as you call it is in her inner circle and for reasons I can't go into here Sarah can't just ditch this person, much as she would like to. I know people are curious and I would like to share more but cannot do so without "outing" this person...something I promised not to do. Neither myself or my "inner circle member" is scared of Sarah; we ARE fearful of her rabid followers. They go to any lengths to threaten, punish, and slight Sarah's percieved enemies and for that reason I must be careful not to reveal who this person is.

The reason I wanted to post tonight is that I've heard Sarah is waiting for Joe and Levi books before announcing a run. She has no plans to REALLY run, but she feels a pseudo-run with an eleventh-hour bow out will keep the fires of her base stoked for the interminable political striptease that will be 2012-2016.

Anyway, Sarah and Bristol both are just...well, I can't actually think of a word to describe how angry--about the snippet of Levi's book which was leaked. It's ironic that Bristol's book was called "not afraid of life" and yet when Levi actually tells the truth about LIFE, of their courtship (as it were) she is so spastically livid it makes Sarah look like mother Teresa.
Sarah has made a big blunder in saying Levi wasn't present for Tripp's birth. If she had remembered...she'd already told in an interview that he WAS there. I think what happened is the same thing that's happened in SO many re-tellings related to the pregnancies, births, announcements, and so on. Levi was likely there for ONE OF the births but not the other.

Basically as I understand it, they are going through Levi's short life to mine any even remotely embarrassing crumb on which to dump humiliation on him. They are already crafting a statement about how Levi (and they are throwing in Sadie for grins) is only profiting off the Palin name and how he didn't see fit to pay a dime of child support out of "his book advance". They don't even know if he GOT an advance--they are just throwing anything and everything against the wall and hoping something sticks.

I just wanted to put this out there...basically hoping they would want to change the plan of action simply to prove me wrong. I really would prefer they leave Levi alone and not punish him for telling the truth--that might discourage others from deciding to speak up.

Todd is suddenly feeling like his manberries are in a vise after Jesse's post on Shailey's belongings. Sarah sent a message on her blackberry saying she had asked Todd if "we were going to have any unpleasant surprises" over this and "Todd said no, he doesn't think so".

Which, from what Shailey has intimated is accurate...well, let's just say it may indeed be a veritable metal-encased feast flying through that Wasilla kitchen.

Signing off for now--I'm at long last on my way home after two unexpected detours...and I can't wait to sleep in my own bed and get back to my routine and home and so on.

If you hear or read any reports attacking Levi, please consider the most likely source and respond accordingly.
8:39 PM

rubbernecking
9/13/2011 11:55:39 pm

@Victoria, we are on the same wavelength. I tried to find other hospitals that changed their birth announcement policy for security reasons. I found several hospitals between 1994-2008 that changed their policy.

1994 - Hoag Hospital, Los Angeles
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-05-23/local/me-61202_1_hoag-hospital

2002 - St Luke's, Boise, Idaho
http://tinyurl.com/3t76tyw

2007 - Enloe Medical Center, Chico, CA
http://www.chicoer.com/indepth/enloe/ci_5568251

2008 - Columbia Regional, Columbia, Missouri
http://tinyurl.com/2e6wezo

National Center for Exploited Children's policy on birth announcements is #11
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=3576

V ictoria link
9/14/2011 12:07:27 am

@rubbernecking - thanks. I was all excited until I put on "my" insurance hat - liability, not health. And then I realized that there could be another reason for the change in policy.

Ottoline
9/14/2011 12:18:10 am

V ictoria -- here's a quote from the "no more birth announcements" link you gave:

"When we got them from the hospital, we had assurances of their validity. How would we do that [now]? We would probably have to call the hospital or midwifery to confirm the birth."

To me, this says they don't want to be responsible for fake announcements put in by parents. And we know from the MatSu hospital not carrying Trig's announcement, that MatSu doesn't either.

I had my babies at the tail end of the baby-stealing scare in the later 1990s, when lots of triple-security measures were in place. AK hospitals and newspapers are either VERY late to that particular party, or it was a convenient excuse to avoid machinations like those of SP.

Fabulous discussion here! Thank you!

V ictoria link
9/14/2011 12:28:21 am

@Ottoline: given HIPPA, could a hospital even confirm or deny a birth?

But a change in a procedure like this could happen when a hospital changes its liability policy, or when its insurance policies come under review. Commercial policies are often renewed on the 1st of January so the timing is right for that.

Or, it's possible that the hospital wanted to tighten up all procedures after what happened.

This is better than Agatha Christie except that I don't know if we'll ever get any answers.

Marie
9/14/2011 12:38:22 am

Palinoia and Katie, many thanks for coming forward with this insightful analysis. This really sounds like the missing piece in the puzzle which ties everything up neatly and explains a lot of loose ends in the story. For instance.....

One of the many disturbing angles to this little soap opera is Trig's apparent lack of medical care---no glasses, no hearing aids, no evidence of spending time in physical, occupational, or speech therapy.

There has been much speculation on how and why a supposedly loving parent in this day and age would withhold such basic treatments from her child. This is a wealthy family, so it never occurred to me that money might be a consideration--but what if it was?

What if Trig was not actually insured, and the parent had to pay for the glasses, hearing aids, and therapy hours out of pocket? These things aren't cheap. Hearing aids alone cost several thousand dollars per EAR, and they have to be repeatedly upgraded during the early years of a child's life, because the ear sizes keep on changing. Glasses for babies/toddlers require frequent adjustments and size upgrades as well. Private physical/occupational/speech therapy is available in most communities, but costs big bucks.

Many of these services are available for free or nominal fees through local county-run programs (often through the public schools). But to apply for such programs, YOU HAVE TO SHOW A VALID BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

Or what if the child was insured under false pretenses? The parents might live in fear that every additional claim filed would increase the risk of being discovered.

This all gives new credence to anon238's story about Trig and his vision problems. The problem would have been correctable through special glasses and perhaps some vision therapy, but that would have involved repeated insurance claim filing.

Thanks so much again for your hard work on this matter.

SLQ
9/14/2011 12:40:08 am

Ottoline, good point. And how would the newspaper verify the birth, when HIPAA prevents the hospital from divulging this information? The birth announcement submission would have to include a release from the parents, which the newspaper would then have to somehow send to the hospital so the hospital could verity the birth. Sounds like a lot of trouble to me.

comeonpeople
9/14/2011 12:47:09 am

I'm reading all this and my jaw is just agape. A public official possibly misuses her power to do a fake birth baby presentation at a hospital and it is extraordinarily hard to hold anyone accountable?? There is just so much wrong with this. Twilight Zone.
That is all. Carry on!

Tôt ou Tard (Sooner of Later)
9/14/2011 12:47:44 am

I don't chime in often, but in one of my first comments, in Sept. 2008(under what name? on which blog?), I said that Sarah probably had to pretend the (Bristol's?) child was hers in order to get him covered by your insurance. I am so glad to see someone pursuing this trail! Thank you.

Katie Taylor link
9/14/2011 12:59:04 am

In response to SLQ and Jeff who posed questions regarding the enrollment process for newborns;

The hospital has no responsibility for enrolling or providing documentation to the insurance company to effect the addition of a new baby. Further, IF Trig had been added to Sarah's policy following his birth immediately, using the Life Event rule, there would be no need to re-enrol him again as a covered dependent during the next open enrolment period. The fact that Sarah is being reminded him during OE is proof that they had not added Trig to the policy sooner. Additionally, just because an employee is currently carrying dependent coverage for the family does NOT eliminate the need to provide proof in the form of a birth certificate to add yet another child. In Sarah's case, if she was the grandmother, she would also need to provide documentation of legal guardianship.

In response to Ginger's question about whether Bristol would even have been covered for pregnancy under Sarah's policy, the answer is YES. Pregnancy for some time now, in accordance with a federal mandate, is treated just like any other medical condition. There is no such thing as a pregnancy exclusion for dependent children.

I think I have responded to all the questions related to insurance rules and processes but let me know if I missed any.

While I am 100% convinced that Sarah did not give birth to Trig and that he was born before April 18 I am less convinced that Bristol is the birth mother. The fact that Trig and Tripp look nothing alike adds to my doubt. Of course that could simply mean that Bristol and Levi are not the biological parents of both children. Given what we know about Bristol's sexual history that is a distinct possibility. It would also explain's Levi's obvious disinterest in attempting to maintain his parental and visitation rights with Tripp.

Andrea
9/14/2011 01:05:59 am

Sorry I don’t have time to put dates on, so this is just a sequence.

1) Trig is born.

2) Todd is asked to shunt round a BC, and writes “I’ll call.”

3) Trig is still not insured, or not officially insured (as in many schemes back payments may be made, ignorant of US details, I live in the EU) and has to be put into the open enrollment window.

The two possible scripts are both outstandingly weird. (I’m excluding SP as Mom.)

A. Bristol is the birth mother. In that case, the insurer has been paying the bills for her pregnancy and paid for the birth, through one or another Palin policies. The insurer then follows its automatic paper work filing and sends a request for a BC - to the grandparents, whom, according to the top post, and in most health insurance schemes in the world, have no responsibility in this matter, and no legal role to play? I think not.

The insurer’s obligations end after the birth is over (and that may include 72 hours of routine /special care, or whatever frills and favors, but the baby is not insured as a ‘new individual.’)

//variant A: Bristol’s pregnancy was denied, hidden, not medically followed, the birth was at home or whatever, not paid for by the insurer.//

B. The insurer had not paid any bills for prenatal / birth care for SP. 
As the pregnancy is very public, and it is assumed the new baby will be part of the family policy, they request a BC to add him. Or, possibly, the Palins enquire about how to add him, and they respond. The request for the BC might be sort of embarrassed, fakey-official. After all, what do they know, maybe SP liked to pay for ante-natal care in cash? Or is such a superwoman and did Yoga so it wasn’t needed - no matter, it is not their business. They only pay claims.

A on its own seems impossible, and B a better fit. I imagine:

The insurer was friendly towards the powerful figures, the pregnancy story, and thus requested a BC, which they would not have done for Jane Six. Todd called and said they needed some time to iron things out. (The adoption was not finalised.) It took some time, but once the adoption was done, Trig could be added to the ‘family’ Palin policy. Or, probably closer to the truth, all the parties hashed it out in phone calls - only when adopted could he be added, and that was achieved after some time, therefore going for the open enrollment in June. All of that would have been protected and secret under US laws, as far as I understand it. (?)

curiouser
9/14/2011 01:09:56 am

@juneauite - I always forget to try the wayback site. Many thanks for the link.

I can't let the Mat-Su 'security' policy decision to stop newspaper birth announcements go by without mentioning that Tripp's reported 12/27 birth didn't appear in the last announcement that included births through Jan 1 '09.

http://tinyurl.com/2ap92r7

rubbernecking
9/14/2011 01:09:58 am

Matsu Regional's change in policy coincides with press interest and inquiries about Tripp's birth in late Dec 2008.

I can see how Bristol's pregnancy might prompt a change in policy. Assuming she gave birth at Matsu, there would be increased security concerns. I would also think the tabloid/papparazzi interest would be difficult for a small regional hospital.

Matsu Regional might have reasonably concluded that the extended Palin clan would have additional births for years to come, as well as lots of ongoing press/tabloid attention.

I suspect the Palins' celebrity was very disruptive to Matsu Regional hospital. I can see a scenario where hospital executives decide it's easier to end all birth announcements rather than deal with questions about announced/unannounced Palin births.

V ictoria link
9/14/2011 01:17:22 am

@rubbernecking - BP's pregnancy could have been the partial trigger - but as the announcements appeared a week later there would not have been much in the way of paparazzi.

However, the decision could have also been taken because they wouldn't want others checking up on whether or not BP was actually there.

What is super odd is the apparent announcement by MatSu of the Trig birth and then its deletion. Does anyone know more on that?

jeff
9/14/2011 01:20:00 am

@katie taylor--

Thanks for the reply.

Apparently, Sarah has a serious issue with presenting the Birth Cert not only to the press, to whom she was quoted as saying that she HAD ALREADY shown them Tri-G's B/C, but also to the Employee Benefits Dept for State of AK, who only want her to enable them pay the claims on her behalf.

Why would Sarah not cooperate with everyone--- er, any of 'em, all of 'em--- regarding this seemingly, simple routine matter? [ok, just a little snark there, although I do wish I knew the WHOLE story!]

Thanks to everyone for staying ON this issue!

Phyllis
9/14/2011 01:21:41 am

@ Victoria
Anchorage Daily News still lists births from Providence Hospital in Anchorage.

Dangerous
9/14/2011 01:46:24 am

Sorry folks, but this doesn't add up.

While the Palins may have had a financial motive to have Trig under Sarah's health insurance plan to avoid costs, they could accomplish that via an adoption just as well as a faked pregnancy. By faking the pregnancy, they defeat the financial motive because they have to produce documentation of the actual birth, which would destroy the hoax.

Hence, a successful hoax requires that they do not enroll Trig on Sarah's health plan unless can provide forged documents, which is risky in itself. There is evidence that they didn't do so, since Todd is asked for such documentation via email, and there's no evidence he provided it.

Along these same lines, the real question on insurance are where are the pre-natal charges and delivery charges for the pregnancy on the state insurance plan? These would have to list the actual patient, doctor, etc. I'm guessing there aren't any and they just paid Mr. CBJ privately. The absence of such charges would be conclusive evidence that she faked the pregnancy since there would be no other reason for Sarah Palin not to submit those charges through insurance.

Exp:Nov.05/08
9/14/2011 01:58:14 am

My mind is reeling! This is a very interesting trail to follow. I raise my coffee cup to you, Palinoia. This was no easy undertaking. Thanks so much for your hard work.
Thanks to the commenters who are following up with more information along these lines. Your research ties everything all together.
And again my thanks to Laura for hosting such an open discussion.

Adopting Trig publicly might have gotten her some accolades, but not the way giving birth would. The "birth" meant Sarah "walked the walk" when it came to abortion. The logic was that most people would abort a baby they knew had DS, and Sarah did not.
It made her much more of a hero with the religious right than adoption of a DS baby, or her own grandchild, would have.

If you start your thought process from the jumping point of Sarah Not Giving Birth to Trig Palin, so much goes out the window - premature birth, water leaking, amniocentesis proving DS, April 18th birthdate, the hospital where Trig was born providing an announcement, etc.. I try to remember that anything that Sarah says or has ever said about the birth stems from the big lie that she was pregnant. So I tend to discount most of the details she's given, as they're only provided so that she can solidify in people's minds that she actually was pregnant. Nothing more.

I'd bet dollars to donuts that the fictitious letter (from the newborn Haylee who said she saw SP at the hospital on April 18th/08) was written by someone in Palin's camp. We know they write letters on her behalf, or that she writes them herself.
I'd also make that same wager about any eyewitnesses who saw her at the marathon run.



rubbernecking
9/14/2011 02:03:44 am

@Dangerous, I see a couple of possibilities. Perhaps:

1. The Palins believed they could add Trig as a dependent during Open Enrollment without a birth cert.

2. Or the Palins acquired paperwork by early June that made Trig eligible for Palin's insurance. E.g., they now had an adoption certificate or legal guardianship.

anonfornow
9/14/2011 02:05:15 am

Knowing our Sarah as we do, I suspect she had every intention of claiming Trig as hers for insurance purposes; it was someone else--someone more aware of fine print and penalties and who was in on the scheme--who convinced her she couldn't do that. Probably the same person who cautioned her not to take maternity leave since that would also open her up to charges of fraud. Sarah herself is too dumb and arrogant to have thought all of this through that far.

I also would not be surprised if she fired some people in key positions and then appointed friends who were willing to do what she wanted them to do. One of those complicit cronies may be the weak link in all this. Sarah's MO is to get other people involved in her illegal activities so that they can't out her without implicating themselves. But if the crony were to find themselves indicted, then I've no doubt they would sing in exchange for a reduced sentence.

One can only hope.

Palinoia, my hat is off to you. Medical paperwork makes me see double and hand it over to spouse, who works in HR and thus has much greater tolerance for forms.

jeff
9/14/2011 02:09:39 am

@dangerous,

I could be wrong, but I don't think that saving $$$ was Sarah's first priority in this Keystone Kops operation, and in fact, based on her actions, it was probably just an afterthought.

Sarah doesn't HAVE to produce anything, unless of course the State of AK wanted to pursue possible charges of insurance fraud, et al against her. But with her boy wonder and chief ass-kisser Parnell in the statehouse, she's been like Teflon with all of the valid issues that she's avoided responsibility for.

But...I am still holding out for DairyGate, which, if she dares to enter the GOP Primary, I believe that's the one "take-her-ass-to-jail" issue that she won't be able to shake. Because when those subpoenas go out, all of her former friends will begin to squawk.

Just my humble opinion.

Oh, and Mr CBJ is a Ms CBJ (Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, MD).

SLQ
9/14/2011 02:11:37 am

Dangerous, I think you may be missing an important point. Bristol unexpectedly got pregnant, and (perhaps) the baby was born unexpectedly early, with unexpected medical problems.

Your observations make sense if this had all been properly planned by a sensible person. But A) quickly laid plans often are haphazard and unwise in emergencies, and B) Sarah and company are not known for their wise choices. Heck, she faked a pregnancy by shoving a pillow up her shirt. Despite her talking points, common sense isn't her strong suit.

Palinoia
9/14/2011 02:14:38 am

@ Everyone, great discussions and comments.

@ Katie, thanks for answering questions! I appreciate it because it is hard to keep up with all the comments.

@ Dangerous

You said "Sorry folks, but this doesn't add up."

My response is, rarely does anything with Sarah "add up". If it did, we wouldn't all be here commenting.

I'll be addressing your concerns in Part II. I'm currently working on that, but it will be a few more days before it is ready to send to Laura.

I'd also like to remind folks, according to Anon238, there are MANY more emails that we don't have access to that he/she claims would absolutely bring Sarah down as far as Babygate goes. I tend to believe this as we saw lots of evidence in the emails we *could* see, that Sarah becomes almost manic when she feels slighted, or hasn't gotten her way.

AKRNC
9/14/2011 02:15:30 am


Thank you to Palinoia for excellent research. I'm a Pediatric Nurse Practitioner but started a medical billing firm several years ago when I could no longer practice due to an injury. Medical billing & health insurance are really dry, boring topics unless it involves the Palin family!

With the email mentioned in the post I cut and pasted below, we have ANOTHER nail-in-the-coffin event IMO. According to the email dated May 21, Trig is already enrolled in their healthcare plan yet unless the documentation they requested, in this case Trig's birth certificate is released to them, all pending bills will be put on hold and remain unpaid until it is received.

In the June 4, 2008 email, we have Todd telling Sarah to enroll Trig! This really has me wondering why they would be enrolling him and having to do so during an open enrollment period. Did someone get wise to the situation and warn Sarah that what she was trying to do was insurance fraud? If she was trying to spin this lie that Trig was born at MatSu, that would have required at least one hospital official and physician to be in on this. Did they get cold feet and back out, realizing the hospital could lose accredidation and this crazy lady was not worth it despite the fact she was the Governor? There were changes made at MatSu with the most noticeable one being the deletion of CBJ's privileges. They were all setting themselves up for serious possibility of blackmail if found out, maybe it had already started and they backed out on their original plans w/Sarah and Todd regarding passing off Trig as their child. That would necessitate an open enrollment as they no longer were able to claim the privilege of automatic enrollment at birth pending proof of the birth certificate the SOA requested. Sarah would have spun some crazy-ass story but whoever was working there would have accepted it and not said a thing if they knew Sarah's reputation and by that time, everyone certainly did.

As far as who paid for Trig's initial care, it still comes down to whether or not Bristol was his mother. I am definitely leaning that way but still not 100% certain due to different things said but posters allegedly in the know.

Hope you all can understand where I'm coming from. This is one crazy story but when isn't anything surrounding Palin crazy?!

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Venefica

Tue, 13 Sep 2011 20:25:30

Re the June 4, 2008 email: "Don't let me forget to enroll Trig." BOMBSHELL, indeed! What a great find. Perhaps the pregnancy hoax will finally be unraveled this way. Follow the money, indeed.

I don't think anyone's re-posted the very important "Health Dependent Enrollment update" email [1397.pdf (Crivella)] of May 21, 2008 in this thread. It was addressed to Governor Palin.

In that email, an Alaska state employee wrote: "This is a reminder from the Benefits Section to let you know that, to date, we have not received the dependent verification documents for your new child. To ensure continued coverage for your newborn, please submit a copy of the child's Birth Certificate to us within 60 days of the date of birth. Claims submitted for your dependent child after this time period will be pended until this documentation has been received by the Benefits Section."

Evidently, the Palins had NOT sent in Trig's BC...which would seem to be to be something a parent would automatically do. Note also that the issue related to "continued coverage." Does that mean Trig had already received benefits?

Janice Mason forwarded the request to Todd, with the tag "URGENT."

Todd's response, on May 23, 2008, was: "I called, thanks."

Nothing about taking care of getting the docs -- "a copy of the child's Birth Certificate" -- submitted. Just "I called."

And now we see that Trig STILL hadn't been enrolled as of June 4th.

NSG
9/14/2011 02:20:48 am

@Palinoia, wow! This is terrific research and writing. Thanks for all your time & hard work.

I have 2 thoughts/reactions to this post, the wonderful discussion, and other happenings.

First, @Dangerous & others, wrt the story & motivation. It appears to me that we're looking at SP having multiple reasons for the baby hoax: greed, political ambition, possible family issue/embarrassment, all of which go back to ambition & greed. I doubt any of us can empirically pull apart which came first, either chronologically or in terms of urgency/importance. IMHO, I doubt SP thought of insurance issues first. I just don't believe her mind goes to the fine print first. Something else likely triggered the idea/decision to perpetuate the hoax in the first place, e.g., a cover-up or Pro-Life cred/politics, and she had a big "Oh, sh*t" moment when she realized healthcare coverage was going to be a problem. (Oh, the irony, how it bites one in the a$$! Isn't she wishing she had full-on Obamacare now?!)

Second, I continue to hold out hope that we're going to reach a tipping point when SP & her hoaxes & hypocrisy are outed on the world stage, which, by definition, requires the MSM picking it up and amplifying it.

That's why all these straws added to her camel's back matter. Babygate, the half-marathon, etc.

It seems to me we're getting close now to two potential issues that might actually be palatable to the "very serious" journalists who also live in abject fear of the Palinbot Army:

1. EVIDENCE in the RELEASED EMAILS of insurance fraud, as Palinoia & others have uncovered and illuminated here. (Picturing the lifting of a heavy rock as sunshine causes the little squirmies to scurry.) Insurance fraud is real, not squishy like fake pregnancies. And the emails have already been embraced by the MSM, even if they didn't know what to look for.

2. The contradiction in Sarah's very-own-stories about Levi's presence at Tripp's birth, as Anon238 pointed out last night (8:39PM): "Sarah has made a big blunder in saying Levi wasn't present for Tripp's birth. If she had remembered...she'd already told in an interview that he WAS there. I think what happened is the same thing that's happened in SO many re-tellings related to the pregnancies, births, announcements, and so on. Levi was likely there for ONE OF the births but not the other."

Others of you have followed this closer and longer than I have. Can someone source these quotes and pin her between her own rock & hard place?

To me, THESE KINDS of on-the-record evidence are harder to ignore. And in the context of Sarah's September (Nick, Joe, Levi, Fred), they may provide the tipping point.

Viola-Alex
9/14/2011 02:35:18 am

To summarize?

IF Bristol had Ruffles with all the health issues Anon238 described, Sarah had these choices. 1. Enroll Ruffles in Native Health Care as Bristol's child 2. Give Ruffles away 3. Adopt Ruffles for herself and add to her SOA policy. 4. Purchase coverage for Ruffles from an outside vendor -- which as someone above said, would have been nigh impossible given his condition.

Which means that Palin was left with a slew of medical bills and an uninsured baby. There is no guarantee she had the paperwork to enroll "Trig" even in July.

Tom link
9/14/2011 02:42:44 am

You might want to take a brief trip over to IM. Joe McG had said that if SP hadn't declared by the time his book came out, Sept. 20, she never would.

Snippets come out regarding a an SP one night stand with a black baskeball player, All American and NBA star Glen Rice, while she was working for KTUU.

There's also mention of drug use. Sh!t's hit the fan and there's more to come I'm sure.

Don't back down.

V-A
9/14/2011 02:43:21 am

@AKRNC - maybe you've hit the nail.

If Sarah supplies Trig's BC in July and it doesn't jive with the announced birth info (Matsu etc) then she was opening herself up for a fraud investigation and HIPAA would have been foregone. Just as she'd been so careful to return to work and not take maternity leave.

This all moves so fast, that even as I write a comment, it is answered!

Conscious at last!
9/14/2011 02:45:30 am

I cannot even find the words to express how amazing Pailoia's post is, not to mention the conversation and comments that followed.

I do not think that any of the current MSM vehicles could get anywhere near this.

This is the future for real investigative journalism, make no mistake.

(Also, too, let's remember the great work Oz-mudflats is doing on Racegate.)

Thank you all!

Viola-Alex
9/14/2011 02:47:01 am

@Dangerous - if you're still holding on to your theory that Willow was the mom, then speak up. Don't waste everyone's time explaining obvious things to you.

What may be at issue (under the money part) is Sarah's relationship with Bristol. Bristol may have fought back, refused to give up Ruffles-- and even once Sarah had announced the birth, given Ruffles away.

Follow the money.

Follow the family dynamic.

V ictoria link
9/14/2011 02:50:43 am

Here's another point to consider.

Redacted emails vs emails we're allowed to see.

The emails that we've been discussing - re asking about the birth certificate, the open enrollment - were not redacted.

Why not? Because (IMHO) they are about Sarah and Todd discussing paperwork concerning "their" son Trig. These emails were left to make it look as if the boy had been born to SP. It takes adding up the numbers and looking at dates and understanding how insurance works (and how it doesn't) to put the story together. Thank you Palinoa, Katie and everyone else!

JJ
9/14/2011 02:54:58 am

Conscious at last!
Agreed! I feel that history is being made right here, right now...

Melly
9/14/2011 02:58:02 am

Every time I come back here Palinoia's post strikes me as more of a milestone. Thanks so much, P, and all of the other investigatin' posters. Not sure how this will play out, but it's a bright thread.

Tom link
9/14/2011 02:59:51 am

@Victoria

Or maybe the redactors/email reader(s) left a few bread crumbs. Maybe they couldn't be blatant about the truth as they knew it from what they read (or knew anyway depending who was doing the reading-Leithgow?) so they left behind seemingly benign clues.

Tom link
9/14/2011 03:04:46 am

Weeble's very annoying. I'll take the hint. Read only.

Redactors may have purposefully left bread crumbs or seemingly benign clues because they were directed to redact any obviously damaging emails. Saw a movie like that once. The redactor is trying to tell us something. What is it?

rubbernecking
9/14/2011 03:06:13 am

A couple of commenters say or imply that it would be difficult or impossible to purchase private insurance for a child like Trig in 2008.

@Katie, can you provide any info on this? Do you know how Cigna's underwriters treat DS on an individual policy? Would a child with DS be un-insurable ( or prohibitively expensive to insure) in the private insurance market in 2008?

JulaUSA
9/14/2011 03:23:25 am

Wow—the diversity of expertise here is amazing ! Thank you for your great analysis Palinoia !!

If I follow where you’re headed with the AFT I agree with you……they needed that to exploit to pay Trig’s medical bills because he was NOT insured.

Anon 2:38 said there is a birth certificate with the “wrong names” and that there never was a formal adoption/custody arrangement. And both Anon 2:38 (Me Again) and Anon 4:32 state he was born in Feb 2008.

My take:
• Sarah was the sitting Governor and she was all about perfect family values image and keeping her secrets.
• As selfish and narcissistic as she is, she would likely never willingly take on the responsibility of a DS child unless it was somehow to her benefit (and probably to keep her perfect family image intact). Political advantage being a bonus.
• Sarah tries to hide Bristol, but Trig is delivered very prematurely with lots of medical bills
• Sarah strong arms/convinces/bribes Bristol to let her raise the child once they realized he would survive and she could exploit his now recognized disability for political purposes
• Trig is kept discreetly way out of sight at an NICU/SDU location
• Sarah returns to work in three days and did not take any maternity leave so she was VERY careful to avoid insurance fraud there.
• Sarah also needs to be VERY careful to avoid insurance fraud related to Trig as well. Per your wonderful analysis, she probably got a rude awakening about Trig/Ruffles not being covered. So with no birth certificate that they could show, no formal custody arrangement and piles of expensive medical bills their only choice was to self pay them to avoid insurance fraud with Trig (lying about birth parents, birth dates). How could they possibly explain dates of service which would predate the publically announced birth date ! Thus, the need for the AFT that they could skim money out of to pay Trig’s bills. She agreed to take responsibility for the baby once Coale (GVS hubby) and the “handlers” assured her they could set up something to take care of the medical bills.

But even if there was a formal adoption and she could get insurance coverage, I don’t think Sarah would dare risk having all the medical bills with the REAL information available to the insurance company. I still think she would self pay. Too much of a paper trail and too many people outside AK that she couldn’t control would know. .

And also, too:
• I think the Alaska HHS managers were fired when they started asking too many questions, possibly about why Trig was NOT enrolled in the state plan.
• I have felt for a while that Keith Johnston plays a role in all this (possibly the baby daddy). As many commenters have noted, the affectionate kiss by Levi at the convention (how odd is that for a teen boy to be so affectionate to his girlfriend’s “little brother”), the “baby brother” reference Mercede made in the caption to the kitchen picture where she is holding the fragile baby, Keith suddenly leaving town, etc. Holding a pile of medical bills over the Johnston’s head would be great leverage to buy off their silence and for the kids to want to protect their parents (their mother from embarrassment and their father from statutory rape charges)
• And even if there is insurance fraud, HIPAA is not “irrelevant”. The whistleblower can disclose the protected health information (PHI) TO CERTAIN AUTHORITIES, but they cannot just blab publically. There is a process under HIPAA for the fraud to be addressed properly.

What is so ironic is that WGE rages against that big bad terrible stimulus bill (ARRA). That bill included even more strict privacy provisions (often called the “son of HIPAA” law) which apply to both health plans and providers. So federal laws again are protecting her. What a hypocrite.

P.S. The brown “goo”, “bandaid colored circle” thingys on the baby’s cheeks is called Duoderm – it is a plastic material, sticky on one side that is applied to the baby’s face & kept there. The tape from the tubes is then just pulled on & off the Duoderm and protects the baby’s fragile skin.

Palinoia
9/14/2011 03:25:38 am

Ok, gang help me out here. This June 4th email is really hard to square....other than evidence of Sarah NOT finishing the newborn qualified event period enrollment / first 30 days of life...and in my opinion just another piece that fits with her not being the birth mother of Trig.

As I finish putting together Part II, I'd like your input into this scenario. We're still assuming that Bristol is Trig's birth mother and he arrived much earlier than stated.

I've been giving the "delay" tactic some thought here, so follow me as I think through this.

We already identified they had 30 days to enroll Trig from stated DOB 04/18. They then had another 30 days to provide legal docs (either BC or legal guardianship paperwork) to clear the final hurdle in getting him enrolled retro to the stated DOB.

On 5/23, Todd calls the state re: birth certificate request. I think potentially he found out they really did REQUIRE it, and they had to bail on this at that time because they didn't have paperwork to submit (regardless of actual DOB on the form).

We then come to the open enrollment email from June 4th. Did the State also grant a 30 day window to provide legal docs from when the open enrollment window closed? I'm not sure, but it would seem quite possible. This could have bought more time if Sarah & Todd were still working on getting their legal ducks in a row with regard to adoption and/or legal guardianship (and this could very well have happened through the Tribal system if Todd was already a member), which requires a court order in either case. They may have been on the verge of getting said orders, maybe not in time for the 60 day cut off from 4/18, but maybe in time for another 30 day cut off from the closing of the open enrollment window, which closed on June 6th. That would have given them until July 6th to get the legal docs in. The original 60 days from date of birth would have closed up on June 16th (day 60).

This also buys Sarah extra time to get Cronies In Line to help accomodate. Maybe she lined up a Crony to not require the BC, but just the Guardianship paperwork, using her considerable vindictive muscle. Let's remember, she conveniently (and obviously) made arrangements to conduct a "presentation at Mat-Su", dismissed Security Detail, and came up with the Wild Ride, and stuffed something under her shirt on multiple occasions. I just don't put much past her.

She could very easily played the entire sympathy card as well with regard to DOB / prematurity etc with a very select few. All that really needed to happen to get this kid enrolled was for him to appear on the State's Electronic Eligibility Transmission to Premera. If the State says "eligible" there would be NO REASON for anyone at Premera to not add him. Self-funded plan, no skin off Premera's nose if the state wanted to enroll him.

Opinions? Katie?

Palinoia
9/14/2011 03:34:39 am

@ Rubbernecking

Re: purchasing a private individual policy for Trig and whether they would have accepted him for coverage:

Alaskan insurers in the individual market are allowed to do medical underwriting and decline coverage based on health. ACHIA, which is the high risk pool requires a decline letter from one insurance company to qualify for their coverage, if you aren't HIPAA eligible. To be a HIPAA eligible individual and apply to ACHIA, you would have to have 18 months of prior group coverage, and have exhausted your COBRA benefits. 18 months of prior coverage would be impossible for a newborn.

I apologize for not including Individual plans as a coverage option. I'm pretty darned sure that no insurer would touch a newborn DS child (complications or not) if they are allowed by state law to decline based on health.

This was 2008, prior to the HealthCare bill.

Hope that helps -

Watching and Waiting
9/14/2011 03:42:30 am

I've never had top produce a birth certificate for my children during Open Enrollment. I do have to provide a SS#, but no actual documentation.

Perhaps they needed to wait for the Open Enrollment in order to get him enrolled. Otherwise, a BC would show his real birth date and that would show that the "window" for adding him had already elapsed.

I think that they did end up having to foot the bill for a lot of medical expenses before the July enrollment. So quitting may have actually have been partly motivated by bills hanging over their heads, only they were medical and not legal. And no doubt that S probably made B feel guilty that about hurting her mother's career and she owes her by doing all these dumb reality shows and being the Candies spokesperson for abstinence.

dlb44
9/14/2011 03:44:33 am

Hi Laura,

For what it's worth, you can pass on to the Weebly tech folks that the postings are wrapping correctly on my Droid phone and Droid tablet (Zoom). However, the wrapping disappears on my Mac when I use the Safari browser so postings run beyond the right margin of the posting area.

Tom link
9/14/2011 03:54:13 am

I'll try again. Do you think the email redactors left clues behind purposefully knowing that they couldn't be obvious because of oversight? Like the redactors are trying to tell us something. What is it?

GB
9/14/2011 04:10:29 am

Follow the family dynamic.

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Interesting you say this. Because there's plenty of proof things were fine. However, since Sarah is not one to hide things from her kids in general and since she spent much time with them over the last year (including a full week with just Bristl), wouldn't that factor into the anger Bristol had. BRistol did speak of this anger in her book, but said it quickly subsided. And pictures prove that more or less. We have the picture of her in Frank's book smiling in her mom's office (she frequented th eoffice often affording to Bailey, as did the others), we have the Zoo pic, we have other familt events, Juneau events...

Despite normal mother/daughter squabbles, I don't see a weird dynamic. It's common sense to me: the hiding of a "pregnancy" would anger anyone.

Kimm
9/14/2011 04:13:02 am

There's still no hard proof two babies have been used. The Trig today bares STRONG resemblance to "ruffles" in every way. Again, too many people saw him constantly for there to be a switch.

Use logic here. Sarah took Trig everywhere with her and met with many people. Contrary to what most bloggers think, the maajority of Alaskans do believe Trig is hers or they're indifferent and dont care.

V ictoria link
9/14/2011 04:13:42 am

@Tom - deliberate or not? What an interesting question. My first guess would be no, they were not trying to leave us clues purposefully - or rather not clues to lead us in the correct direction. I think it's like "Bristol is 5 months pregnant and so she could not have given birth to Trig on April 18". Which is probably true, as most of us believe that Tripp was born two to three months earlier.

And in the emails that were left behind for us to read, we have Todd and Sarah writing emails about "their son Trig's health insurance". Now, these seem like personal emails to me, which they could have justified redacting (and which men like Cheney would have redacted) - but Todd and Sarah left them for us to see because they "prove" to the casual observer that they are the concerned parents, dealing with the usual hassle of birth certificates and health insurance. It takes experts like Palinoa et al to realize that they don't.

It's the usual sort of lack of thoroughness which will be their undoing (I hope). Modus operandi.

V ictoria link
9/14/2011 04:26:22 am

Oh, dear, some trolls have stopped by! A smile in a photograph means that all must be well!

How about taking a photo of the birth certificate?

Tom link
9/14/2011 04:34:48 am

"...indifferent or don't care" would describe most Alaskans and most Americans for that matter. The MSM has kept her erect. She's unelectable nationally and couldn't stand up to the heat of a Senate race in AZ as so many have predicted. C4Pers suffer from an embedded emotional investment to her. That bubble will burst.

I think she's pretty much finished. Still, SP and the people that orchestrated her unlikely climb to ridiculous prominence need to be exposed.

The C4P followers are so much like the hoi polloi victimized in Lewis's 'It Can't Happen Here' that it's frightening. As I mentioned before and as Jeff commented, Sinclair Lewis described in 1935 what is happening here these days.

B
9/14/2011 04:40:47 am

Why did Sarah choose hoax over adoption?
Discussed for three years and still unanswered.

Practical
-Health insurance
-Adoption might have outed Bristol
-Avoid Br. in statutory rape case

Political (seeking Veep nod)
-Seem young & fertile (asked Frank about having a pregnant Gov. years before)
-Claim to have rejected abortion

Batshit
-"It worked for Bree. Why not me?"
-Compulsive liar.

(Dangerous can substitute Willow for Bristol.)

Katie Taylor
9/14/2011 04:42:18 am


In response to Rubbernecking's question regarding the ability to purchase private insurance for Trig, that's an easy one to answer. It would be IMPOSSIBLE. No credible carrier would underwrite the policy at any price given the pre-existing condition limitations in place at the time. Having said this I do not see why private insurance would even have been considered. The child that we know as Trig would have had access to government insurance via a number of avenues other than Sarah's commercial plan through the State including:

1) he is a special needs child and could qualify for special State/Federal programs
2) he could qualify for regular State Medicaid or S-CHIP based on income of his real mother, assuming that's Bristol

Sarah's problem hinges on the need to provide documentation to establish the child's identity and eligibility for insurance coverage. No matter what route she takes she can't escape the need to provide a birth certificate and supplemental documents if she is not the birth mother.

If Trig was obtained by Palin via adoption he would have been eligible for State insurance up to the date that the Palins took custody.

One final comment; BCs are not required by health plans as part of the standard open enrolment process. They are routinely required the first time the dependent is put on the plan which depending on timing could be at the same time as open enrolment.


V ictoria link
9/14/2011 04:45:30 am

Jeff & Tom - I have just acquired a copy of "It Can't Happen Here" to read on my next trip.

JaniceG
9/14/2011 05:03:56 am

WOW! Palinoia, what a great job! I am loving all of these comments (except for the trolls).

I don't know anything about insurance, but about 10 years ago I was the supervisor of the Birth Certificate Department in a large hospital in Manhattan. Our birth registrars had to gather certain data, which the state required, directly from the mother's hospital records. They went to the mothers' rooms and gave them a form to fill out which included the baby's name, parents' place of birth, current address, etc. The information was typed into the computer with an application developed by the state. The certificates were printed and signed by me (as a Nurse Administrator...more about that if anyone is interested). These certificates were collected every day by a courier who delivered them to the Office of Vital Records downtown. They generated the 'official, pretty' document and mailed it to the address the mother provided. If we made a mistake, the parents could come back to the hospital and ask for a correction. But if the parents wanted to change something that was not our mistake, we were not allowed (by law) to do it. They would have to go to the Vital Records downtown and make their case. Also, we had 7 days to get the certificate delivered or face a really steep fine. So, the mom's don't usually get a lot of time to think about names. You would have to have a LOT of people in your pocket to change something like a birth date.

As an aside, in NYC a mother could give her baby any last name she chose...ANY name. And if a father (not married) chose to claim he was the father so he could be on the Birth Certificate, he gave up his right to later use a paternity test to get out of paying child support. NYC got awfully tired of paying for all those fatherless babies. :) Changing something like a birth date would be a federal offense, and I don't think any doctor would be willing to put their ass on the line like that.

So, good luck Sarah with getting a fraudulent birth certificate!

comeonpeople
9/14/2011 05:06:21 am

Kimm
Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:13:02
There's still no hard proof two babies have been used. The Trig today bares STRONG resemblance to "ruffles" in every way. Again, too many people saw him constantly for there to be a switch.


@Kimm: those ear malformations would not heal on there own and no reputable surgeon would fix them prior to age 4y minimum. Ruffles and RNC Tri-G are two different humans.

Ottoline
9/14/2011 05:07:13 am

Wow! I'm so in awe of all of you!

And my considerably more fuzzy thoughts are:
--The SP error re whether Levi was present at birth(s) is like the error saying Trig was born at 7.5 mo and in Anch: so hard to keep those two births straight.
--Keith as Dad explains the initial impetus for the hoax to me. I've always thought the hoax was created to solve a personal, local problem that otherwise would have ended SP's local career. (Which was all she had at the time, in spite of glimmers of hope re the VP pick, or even promises by high-up king-makers.) The announcing of the pregnancy right after McCain's being picked just shows that she'd been thinking about it in the days before and was ready to leap.
--Taking B's baby away, esp via the Hoax, sounds right re the money issues, and the B anger/revenge preg issues. (Remember in the Bristol interview after Tripp's birth, her exaggerated "MY choice," which popped up a red flag.) Plus DS sites say Moms who birth DS babies often try for a second baby immed.
--The wonderful insurance info makes me think SP thought she had it covered up somehow (private pay from fat-cat "loans"?), and then right before July 4 she thought it would be exposed in 10 minutes. As we all did. But then it wasn't. So I'm guessing the forces aiming for exposure regrouped and there was another deadline that would have resulted in exposure in Dec, and therefore the church arson. We get bolder as we think we have been successful in previous formerly inconceivable do-or-die events. And SP gets bolder still when Dar Miller becomes a threat in some way not yet known to us. And the ultimate bold act of murder seems like it might work. And it does. Until now.

Well, okay, it's STILL working okay as of this moment. Maybe it will be her sleeping around (an issue i care nothing about) that will bring her down, and we will never know. In which case, it will all have worked.

Katie Taylor link
9/14/2011 05:11:07 am

In response to Palinoia's Question;

You're correct that Sarah would have been given additional time to submit documentation supporting Trig's addition as a dependent. Typically, the plan would allow 30 days from the July 1 effective date to send in the requested paperwork. If the paperwork is submitted within the 30 days then coverage is retroactive to 7-1. Different companies and carriers have different rules on how to handle cases where the documentation is not submitted until after the deadline but the enrolment is completed timely.

Allow me to share an idea that I can't move on from. My gut tells me that Trig was never added to Sarah's plan. My reason for this seemingly off the wall thinking is that 100s of State or TPA benefit personnel would have had access to Sarah's records. Given all the drama surrounding Trig's birth I refuse to believe that not a single person with access to the information has leaked information on his birth date or the circumstances of his birth. I have the same feeling about Mat Su hospital personnel. The only reason that no one has leaked the details of his birth is because he wasn't born there. The details of Trig's birth have been impossible to trace because he was not identified as a Palin at the time of his birth. That's my story and I'm sticking to it no matter what. This theory of mine also makes it less likely that Bristol is the mother. Trig has incurred no significant medical expenses that we are aware of since 4-18-2008 so the fact that he may remain uninsured has posed no financial hardship for Sarah. With her resignation the issue of never providing documentation to the State was eliminated. OK, go ahead and tell me to take off my tin foil hat.

search4more
9/14/2011 05:11:22 am

In 2008 the Palin family's finances must have taken a substantial hit if they paid a load of out of pocket medical expenses. Did she have to disclose information about her finances as governor? I presume she had to in the 2008 campaign. Would any of the disclosures she had to make show a drop in net worth from 2007-2008?

I'm assuming it's all hidden, or it would have already been noticed by researchers / journalists.

V ictoria link
9/14/2011 05:12:13 am

@B - I loved your summary of motives, and I laughed a lot at the batshit category. Hee hee!

J
9/14/2011 05:12:31 am

@Ottoline

It's like the ultimate segment of the true crime show "I [almost] got away with it," where the criminal keeps escaping capture, until some random event trips him up

Viola-Alex
9/14/2011 05:16:18 am

@Palinoia - To get by the B/C issue, Sarah would have needed at least one Health and Social Services (or benefits dept) "friend" who knew Trig was not her biological son. That friend could have waived the B/C, and after that Sarah can use whatever birth date she wants on insurance and medical forms.

That still seems like a pretty big risk, especially as the circle of those who know, grows. And THAT's just for one Trig, who knows what's afoot for 2+ Trigs.

I am fond of the idea that none of this entered her head until it was all too late. BUT that would only happen if she doesn't know that a B/C is required for the enrollment. I've never had to show a B/C for my children for insurance purposes. Only their SS#s.

Melly
9/14/2011 05:18:54 am

Hi, Kimm. You say: There's still no hard proof two babies have been used. The Trig today bares STRONG resemblance to "ruffles" in every way. Again, too many people saw him constantly for there to be a switch.

++++++++++

Resemble each other, maybe...except for the minor issue of EARS! And Palin took Trig everywhere in a deep sling in his early months. How could anyone see him? BTW, you seem familiar with Sarah's world...could you tell us, did she carry her other newborns in a sling like that? I'd be more likely to believe you if you could demonstrate that with a photo or two.

Palinoia
9/14/2011 05:21:20 am

@ Katie, thanks for your take. I really agree with you that he may never have been added to the plan (though it appears that they in fact TRIED) due to the documentation requirements. You are correct in that there would have been more people involved to have added him to the plan, but then, the faking of the pregnancy is just so over the top and the fact that she even tried that makes my head hurt.



jeff
9/14/2011 05:23:15 am


Victoria,

after all of the excitement here, I'm afraid I'm going to have to start over reading Jocasta. Unless I'm familiar with a topic somewhat, I almost have to entirely clear my plate of all attention-grabbers so I can completely focus. Maybe what I really need is 5 or 6 days to chill, and since I'm dreaming, I'll take a hammock and a cool, island breeze...

It can't happen here is a good one, and Brave New World by Aldus Huxley is too. They both can be a little unsettling, but as long as you know what to expect, you'll gain some perspective. It's interesting that no matter how things change, so many things remain the same. But what really gives me the chills is that so many folks in our society are oblivious to the lessons of history in even the recent past, and yet they "think they know" the complete history of mankind. I sure as heck don't know it all by a long shot, and a lot less than most on some things... but I do have some idea of what I don't know in many cases, and know that I can't learn without reading the works of and listening to others much wiser than myself. Folks like... you all---the smart peeps here, for one! So thanks for all of the good info and insight. Okay, off my soapbox and back to work for a couple of hours. Y'all keep plugging away. I'm at the point where my mind can't go into creative, problem-solving mode, so I have to get a little time and distance between myself and the subject. I'll try to interject myself later this evening if I can.

lilly lily
9/14/2011 05:26:52 am

Her own mother Sally said in that quavery voice. "I wouldn't put anything past her." (During the book tour). Her mother knows her daughter.

While her bots blindly follow her ever hoax with excuses.

Rationalist
9/14/2011 05:29:13 am

Whoa. Just got through all the amazing comments.

Here are my thoughts.

1. I'm guessing Palin enrolled Trig at or around 4/18 and medical bills had been duly forwarded to the insurance company on the assumption that the necessary proof (birth certificate) would be forwarded promptly. She never sent it - hence the email about needing to submit documentation in order to receive "continued coverage."

2. We don't know if Todd called the insurance company - we just know he said he did in an email.

3. Very possible that after June 4th, Todd and Sarah told the Benefits Department there was a mixup and they were actually covered under Todd's Native plan and to forward the bills directly to Sarah.

4. Just a reminder: Trig did not exactly "replace" Ruffles. They were both around at the same time. Trig was presented at Mat-Su on 4/18, then Ruffles in the Triggybear pictures and the Kristen Cole baby shower on 5/3 & 4. After that weekend, it seems the Trig we see now was there to stay.

My theory on this is that while Trig was passable for the pictures with the Heaths at the hospital, by May 3rd he was just too big to pass as a month-old preemie at the shower - hence the use of Ruffles.

Here's a question for Katie Taylor:

CBJ founded A Children's Place for abused children and teens. Is it possible that Bristol could have delivered in Anchorage as a Jane Doe and had the state cover the birth of Ruffles/Trig #1 on the belief he/she was going to be put up for adoption?

curiouser
9/14/2011 05:30:04 am

Palinoia - "All that really needed to happen to get this kid enrolled was for him to appear on the State's Electronic Eligibility Transmission to Premera."

That's been a big question mark for me since the May 21st email was uncovered. As governor, it doesn't seem too difficult for her to have someone in the Benefits Dept. who would tick off the checklist that the BC was received, put Trig's file in a locked cabinet, and enter his name on the list of covered insureds to transmit to Premera.

That's what I thought probably happened following Todd's May 23 call. This newly discovered email says it didn't. The person Todd called apparently didn't comply with his request or, perhaps, Todd never called. What if the Palins didn't realize they could handle it so easily? They may have wrongly thought the BC would end up in Premera’s files and were stalling until they had someone in HHS who would create a fraudalent BC. Or, perhaps, there simply wasn't anyone in the Benefits Dept. whom Sarah Paranoid Palin trusted to either see the not-April-18-BC or who would add Trig to the rolls without a BC.

We do know that Trig is on the Permanent Fund rolls which also requires a birth certificate. The PF application period is Jan 1 - March 31. Did they have a BC by March 31, 2009 or did friend and head of the PF Division, Deborah Bitney (formerly Richter) not care whether Trig's application was complete? And how did it work that John Bitney got himself fired for his affair with Deborah but she kept her job?

http://www.pfd.state.ak.us/FilingPeriod.aspx

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aLUlRcLKxIg4

Melly
9/14/2011 05:47:02 am

@Katie, if they never did enroll Trig in the state program, and our insurance experts here assure us that no private plan would de novo cover a child with DS, then even if he's incurred no expenses lately he would be looking at a lifetime without insurance. Now we expect to have Obamacare kick in, but at the time, they would have been insuring his uninsurability.

Rationalist
9/14/2011 05:48:43 am

@Melly - and that is exactly the kind of deluded and narcissistic behavior we would except of Palin.

Tom link
9/14/2011 05:55:24 am

@Victoria,

Good girl. You'll like it, but...Lewis as I understand it wrote 'It Can't Happen Here' quickly. If you're looking for style you want find it in thios book. He wrote it in a hurry as I recall and it wasn't well received. Critics were used to 'Babbit' and 'Main Street' and 'Dodsworth', all novels along the lines of social criticism, not political satire like 'It Can't...'.

Lewis is often credited with writing/saying 'Fascism will come to this country wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.' There's not much proof that he did say/write that but that what 'It Can't...' is essentially about.

Also, it's not a can'tputitdown-er so don't expect to whiz right through.

Rationalist
9/14/2011 05:58:04 am

I know Laura said no apologies for typos, but I can't help it: "expect," not "except."

Cracklin' Charlie
9/14/2011 05:59:11 am

The reason that Trig and Ruffles resemble each other is that they are brothers. Two babies were used, Trig and Tripp. Tripp stood in for Trig at the "baby shower", as Trip no longer could pass as a newborn.

And they could have found someone to fix the baby's ears, just someone who is not so "reputable".

They seem to know disreputable plastic surgeons. Who would think that a reputable surgeon would do such things to Bristol's face? Not me.

SLQ
9/14/2011 06:09:07 am

Jula USA -- great summary and questions. I have one question. You said, "I think the Alaska HHS managers were fired when they started asking too many questions, possibly about why Trig was NOT enrolled in the state plan."

To Palinoia/Katie: It looks like both e-mails came from a "benefits (DOA sponsored)" e-mail address. Would the state department of Human and Health Services have anything to do with the state self-insured insurance plan?

SLQ
9/14/2011 06:21:55 am

Palinioa: One thing that strikes me is that in the first e-mail requesting the b/c, the state benefits division says "your newborn," and the timing (May 21) combined with the publicly stated DOB and the 30-day window, warning of the impending 60-day deadline, and mention of ensuring "continued coverage" indicates that they have processed claims with records from some hospital showing Sarah as the mother of a baby born on 4/18. For this to be true, someone must have submitted bogus claims to the insurance company, right? Otherwise, the timing and wording is all wrong.

The salutation is "Governor Palin," indicating this is not a form e-mail (although it does seem to be standard language, so is probably some type of template.)

It appears that on 4/18, at least, the insurance company was not in on the hoax, which may have necessitated some backtracking, i.e. not submitting the birth certificate, which presumes claims were disallowed, as they warned would happen. It may also explain CBJ's "voluntary" revoking her privileges at MSRMC in early June and MSRMC rethinking their birth announcement policy when Tripp was born -- they didn't want to get in the same predicament.

This would also explain why Tripp's birth was so very secret: MSRMC didn't want to get involved in another cover-up, so the only option was to not state anything at all publicly. No public details means no one is on the hook for the lie. The Palins learned that the hoax can only go so far and were not able to count on insurance companies or hospitals or doctors covering for them.

Rationalist
9/14/2011 06:28:34 am

@SLQ - I'm guessing no claims were submitted. I bet the person at the state's benefit division was just looking at a list of people who had not completed enrollment and noticed that Palin had not submitted documentation. That person then assumed that there had been claims because of the new baby.

There would be no claims to submit if Trig was not born at Mat-Su but was covered by the State as a pre-adoptive child, right?

SLQ
9/14/2011 06:33:50 am

Too funny! These two troll comments are nearly verbatim from some that were posted on IM yesterday or the day before.

Trolls: You should really find some new material. But I realize you have very little to work with, facts being what they are.

lilly lily
9/14/2011 06:44:14 am

I think that Palins newest news from the slightly tawdry leaks from the two newest books are going to knock her out of any political game playing.

She is dead meat politically. Just like the young giraffe I saw being dragged around by a lioness on a safari.

Hers bot will go la la la, I dont hear or see anything, but the rest of the country is laughing at her.

I really can't see her recovering once the books are out.

She hang on by her claws as long as she can wring a dollar out of her bots, but can you imagine her Cato institute trip to South Korea?

SLQ
9/14/2011 06:51:27 am

Rationalist, good point. Since Trig was likely not born at Mat-Su on April 18, there would be no bills. You may be right, and "your newborn," "claims," and "continued coverage" may just be part of the standard language for such a request.

If there WERE claims, someone at MSRMC was part of the hoax and submitted fraudulent claims. If there were no claims, this is just an indication that Sarah tried to enroll Trig in the state plan.

If the latter is the case, it's curious how she would explain the lack of claims. Perhaps, as someone suggested above, she could explain it away by saying that Todd's plan covered the birth or the Native American health plan covered it.

This is not a very believable lie in my opinion, though, as Sarah's state plan would have been primary for Sarah, and no secondary carrier would have paid the claims without first requiring they be submitted to her primary carrier.

sunnyskies
9/14/2011 07:12:39 am

Now THIS is what investigative journalism is all about! Excellent writing: detailed but also clear. Logical. Fact-based but also providing an expert's perspective. Leaves me mulling over the questions raised, wondering where this line of reasoning could lead....how it could explain other mysterious gaps in the Palin story line....Thank you.

Rationalist
9/14/2011 07:13:28 am

@SLQ - that was me who suggested the Todd's plan excuse.

I'm not saying she ever submitted claims to Todd's plan. I'm just saying that she (or Todd) may have told the Alaska State rep not to worry about it because Trig was already covered either through Todd's work or through the Native plan. The rep may have wondered about it, as Alaska State insurance is primary, and may have even pointed it out to Todd, but could have taken Todd's word for it and moved on down the list.

Also - Palin's children were ostensibly covered by her plan (as Palinoia so brilliant proved in the "census"), but that doesn't mean she ever submitted any claims for him. Who would have noticed one kid never had claims? The data entry folks would just be busy processing paperwork for actual claims for Piper, Willow, Bristol and Track.

I think Trig was covered up until 4/18 as a ward of the State. Once they presented him, the Palins juggled the insurance ball as long as they could thinking they could somehow make it work, and finally realized they couldn't.

We don't know if Trig had any major medical expenses as a baby. He may not have. Ruffles (at least according to Anon) was in the NICU, but he/she also may have been a Baby Doe.

B
9/14/2011 07:24:31 am

@Victoria. Happy to make you smile!

I'm not smiling much today. Apparently the Washington Post and the Miami Herald, inter alia, think the Palin/Rice story is newsworthy whereas Babygate never has been.

Sure, there's a hypocrisy angle, but this was decades ago when she was an unmarried adult. I guess sex and race still sell.

Meanwhile, Palin is still using the relatively recent and astounding Babygate hoax to milk the "pro-lifers" for money and votes--but that story is too hot to touch.

I am reminded just a bit of Joan Allen's character in The Contender. (Except that Palin seems to have no principles.)

Yellowgirl
9/14/2011 07:25:57 am

I have been reading this post, and the comments, with great interest. This is by far one of the biggest breaks we've (collective "we" Trig "Truthers") have had in a long time!

Something that keeps coming back to me is the need for a social security number. When I had my child, I was told I could tick a box on the form to apply for an SS form right away, or I could wait and do it later. I did it right away, but my understanding was that if you waited, you'd have to go to the trouble of submitting a certified copy of the b/c to the SS office yourself. (Vs the County Register of Deeds doing it for you).

If she had no b/c, how could she get him on the Perm. Fund list? Some say they only had to give their child's SS number to get them on their plan-- again, how did she get the SS number? Now, I'm not in Alaska, but SS is federal so I suspect the requirement of having a b/c is nationwide.

As an aside, the first year our child was born, we claimed her as a dependent on our taxes. Had to put her ss number down. (Not sure now: how do you claim a dependent w/o a ss number??). Anyhow, my husband mis-typed the number for her, and the IRS sent us an auto-audit thing in which they said the deduction didn't apply b/c the # was wrong.....I spent a lot of time on the phone to get the proper ss# entered and straightened out. Point being, if they just created a ss# out of the air, it WOULD come back to them at some point. May have taken awhile, but it would. Same thing happens to foreigners who use fake ss#s... eventually it does get found out. Any ss# experts here?

FrostyAK
9/14/2011 07:26:48 am

In all of this discussion, we must remember that the BOD of Mat Su Regional are a group of extreme Fundies, if not Dominionists. Most of them put in place by $P herself. Look at decisions coming from the hospital in that light.

Ottoline
9/14/2011 08:04:04 am

Does anyone else see the fine hand of Alies in the one-night-stand story? It might be true, or it might be false; it doesn't really matter so long as the sports star is willing to claim it's true.

The genius here is that if SP goes down because of this, all the other guilty parties who did not vet SP; who did not speak up when they suspected or knew about the hoax; who gave her money, like Rupert; who were involved with the hoax in other ways -- all these people get off scot free.

I'm guessing the other revelations in McG's book will be enough to sound credible re his investigative skills but not bad enough to really hurt any of the co-conspirators (McCain and staff; Rupert; Kochs; Fox; dominionists; MSM). Every one can say they are too ethical to hit a person when she is down.

And she gets away with all the rest of it. What a perfect stroke!

Ottoline
9/14/2011 08:06:57 am

NOW I see why McG danced around our questions re the BabyHoax!

Rationalist
9/14/2011 08:10:24 am

ehhhh, Ottoline, I hope you're wrong. But McGinnis loves to tout his relationship to Ailes.

And yet - Andrew is excited about chapter 19. So I have hope.

Ottoline
9/14/2011 08:25:51 am

Okay, let's see what Chapter 19 brings.

Cyn
9/14/2011 08:26:15 am

If this info has already been posted, I apologize.
Trig would have/is categorically eligible for medicaid.
Down syndrome automatically qualifier at birth. The states cannot deny coverage and family income is not an issue. A family can be making $200,000 a year and an infant born with downs or a premie weighing less than 2lbs 10oz for ex is covered by the feds. At some point a downs child will be evaluated then if the child does not meet the federal eligibility standard, then the parents would apply through the State, then income etc becomes an issue. This is a very short version of how the federal vs state programs work.

SLQ
9/14/2011 09:14:56 am

Testing -- couldn't post.

SLQ
9/14/2011 09:16:25 am

Rationalist, agreed. I'd bet neither Todd nor Sarah understood what a poor lie it would be to claim a secondary insurance had covered Trig prior to attempting to enroll him.

curiouser
9/14/2011 09:16:50 am

Katie Taylor - "My reason for this seemingly off the wall thinking is that 100s of State or TPA benefit personnel would have had access to Sarah's records."

I'm not sure I understand this part. I'm guessing TPA stands for 'the plan administrator'. If this is right, I see that they'd have access to the basic data transmitted from SOA, which would include the birth date entered for Trig; but they wouldn't have actual access to the benefits file with hard copies of documents. At least that's my experience where the even the in-house staff with access to personnel files of any kind are extremely limited.

I suggest that the head of the Benefits Dept. or the Commissioner of Administration (supervisory to the Ben. Dept) could have handled Gov. Palin's and family's file/s. S/he could keep the file, or the part of it with the BC, locked in her/his own desk drawer, if necessary, without making a fuss.

The most likely of potential problems would come with Sarah's departure from the governorship: she could lose control over the file if whomever was guarding it left their position.

Sarah's best bet has always been to come up with a fake birth certificate although it seems she loves drama and pulling strings.

Viola-Alex
9/14/2011 09:27:47 am

@Palinoia - given Janet Maslin's putdown of McGinniss's book in today's nytimes, your research makes Joe's look very lightweight.

I agree with all who've toasted your tenacity and skill for doing the really hard work few still do in journalism. Hooray!

comeonpeople
9/14/2011 09:28:56 am

@ Cracklin Charlie re ear surgery: it's just not physiologically possible to fix the ears at that age. They would still have alot of evidence of malformation and surgery if a disreputable surgeon did attempt to fix them in infancy. The Tri-G we saw at the RNC has "perfect" ears in that there is no evidence of any malformation or surgery. Not buying that these are the same kids. Impossible.
Maybe baby jeebus performed a miracle for them.....

Floyd M. Orr link
9/14/2011 09:29:48 am

Ottoline, concerning your description of the McG involvement and the NYT review, welcome to my world! This is exactly the reason I released my book when I did. We cannot sit by and let all the guilty parties get away with this scam. It is not just about Babygate. It is about the destruction of our media, our political system, and our democracy.

SLQ
9/14/2011 09:29:54 am

Would there also be limited access electronically, i.e. could they limit access? Because I'd guess none of the files are actually paper files these days.

In my HR days (about 5 years ago), we had all the family and employee information, including DOB, in our database, accessible to anyone in HR. We did not have any claims information, however. Those were only handled by the claims processor.

Palinoia
9/14/2011 09:34:55 am

@ Curiouser

TPA stands for Third Party Administrator. The State handles the eligibility files and transmits additions and deletions electronically to the TPA (Premera at the time). It would be up to the State Benefits Department to determine eligibility prior to transmittal.

From there, the TPA adds (or deletes) individuals from coverage, and they process the claims for payment when services are billed for covered enrollees. Since the state is a self-insured plan, they are actually providing the money Premera to pay the claims.

It is plausible that Sarah could have had someone in the Benefits Dept of the State "fix" eligibility and get Trig added. There wouldn't really have to be any claims coming in after that point, because Trig would just show up as another active individual. I honestly don't believe the claims processors at Premera would notice that he was added, and then didn't receive any claims for him. They are really FAR too busy for that, and the State of Alaska has approx. 72,000 active and retiree enrollees. 1 out of 72,000 - merely a blip on the radar screen if you are trying to process claims within the State's allowed time frame (12 days) for clean and complete claims.

What someone at Premera WOULD notice is:

A newborn added to plan for a DOB 04/18/2008, and then receiving claims for a different DOB. THAT would not fly under the radar. That's not to say providers don't bill claims where the DOB is incorrect, but then they correct it and rebill.

rubbernecking
9/14/2011 09:36:50 am

@Katie, you said "Trig has incurred no significant medical expenses that we are aware of since 4-18-2008."

Trig had some type of procedure in May 2008. According to Palin's email "again Trig is scheduled for [Privileged] in Wasilla and no matter what time they do this he'll no doubt need his mama for recovery." Source: http://www.crivellawest.net/palin2011/pdf/14723.pdf

Trig had surgery in Oct 2010, according to an NYT article that discussed Palin's midterm election travel.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/magazine/21palin-t.html?_r=2&ref=magazine

He also had dental procedure in Nov 2010, according to a USA Today article (last para in story).

Source: http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2010-11-12-1Apalin12_CV_N.htm

Katie Taylor
9/14/2011 09:46:55 am

In response to the question on the relationship between the State Dept of H&H services and the self-funded insurance plan;

The State Human Resources division would be responsible for certifying and transmitting eligibility to the TPA in situations involving a self-funded entity. Under these arrangements the covered member doesn't submit documentation to the TPA but rather to the Employer's department that is charged with maintaining eligibility for benefits. I don't know who the TPA is for the State of Alaska but I live in Indiana where Anthem/Wellpoint is the TPA for the State's benefit program. Responsibility for maintaining the eligibility files for a large self-funded plan is a task that I have never seen delegated to a TPA in my 30+ years in the business. I'm afraid I just dated myself.

Early in my career I managed a large Cigna office including claims adjusters and customer service reps. My lowest paid CSR had access to the Illinois governor's claim file as well as the CEOs of any of our company clients. You might think that high level individuals would have their data restricted in benefit offices or hospital billing offices but that is not the case. HIPAA is intended to prevent the release of that data to persons who have no right to or need for the data outside these organizations. Individuals in these benefit administration roles are deemed to be entitled to access to the data. This means that 100s and maybe even a thousand people from the hospital (s), the State HR department and the TPA or entity charged with the responsibility for paying claims had access to Sarah's files. Are we to believe that nothing has ever leaked to the public or in the blogosphere if there was anything there?

Up
9/14/2011 09:47:24 am

frostyAK, the MatSu RMC board may be Palin supporters who supported the hoax, but the RMC is owned by a large national chain which would want to protect itself. They have too much to lose being complicit in this hoax. As I outlined before, if the wild ride were true it would cause significant problems for the senior management and board members of the Corp that owns MatSuRMC, and potentially disrupt every effort of affiliated health care providers for the next 10 years.

Katie Taylor link
9/14/2011 10:02:15 am

Rubbernecking, thanks for researching Trig's medical expenses. It's a matter of perspective I guess on what constitutes 'significant". In my line of work I categorize an annual expense of $25K or more as being high cost. Our most popular benefit plan at my company is an HSA based plan with a $3000 annual deductible. These charges could probably be borne as out of pocket expenses by the Palins without causing financial distress. All in all, it seems like Trig is a fairly healthy child. Would Sarah take on the risk associated with unlimited financial exposure for Trig's medical care rather than provide the needed birth information that would allow him to be enrolled on her insurance plan to avoid being caught in her lies about him? You betcha!!

mxm
9/14/2011 10:50:24 am

There were 2 babies passed off as Trig. One had a pronounced right ear deformity. The causes of such a deformity are not well known, it is not a sign of DS or FAS. The deformity occurs around the 13th week of fetal development, when the ear structures are forming.

The deformity could not disappear, be molded away or surgically repaired in infancy. Surgical reconstruction can be quite successful once the child is 5-7 years of age.

What happened to that baby?

curiouser
9/14/2011 10:52:53 am

Katie - Are you saying that the TPA had access to the file with the actual birth certificate?

Ginger
9/14/2011 11:00:00 am

@SLQ-Your thinking is the closest to my theory, that I have seen. The key issues in the e-mail are the fact it is addressed to Sarah (that tells me all the invoices/bills were in her name) and the words "continued coverage." That implies they had paid previous claims but weren't going to pay anymore until they received the birth certificate.

I've never been able to find any evidence Bristol had a premature baby. As far as I can tell, when Sarah decided to take the VP slot, two rumors were put out:

1) Bristol was five-months pregnant. This was to stop the rumors of the faked pregnancy. The RNC didn't want to deal with a b/c.

2) For bloggers on the internet who claimed she faked the pg, the rumor was: Bristol had a preemie and got pregnant again. They had to do something to make way for the second pg.

All this talk about an adoption and Trig being in an NICU, opens up the fact too many people would be involved. If Bristol got pg the summer of 2007 and carried Trig for nine months (like most mothers do) and they all met at the hospital during the middle of the night on April 17, 2008, doesn't this sound more feasible? Also, I think all the paperwork was in Sarah's name. To be a real hoax, I'd think it would have to be. They just forgot to send in the b/c. Remember, no one saw Bristol during the month of March and not until the 19th of April, walking out of Mat-Su.

Something is going on and from comments made here and elsewhere, I'm getting the impression the story is being pushed to make us believe Bristol had a preemie. Of course, if people believe this, it gets the RNC off the hook for doing a cover-up. Andrew Sullivan went after them when they made that announcement and you know what he got? Zip!

As difficult as it is for me to believe, I'm wondering if Sarah is going to admit she faked it. That will stop all this talk--she will play the martyr--and we will be told Bristol had a preemie and then had Tripp. Yes, Tripp. The only claim to fame for Bristol, Levi and Mercede.

Are we being set-up for this? Only time will tell...

everspring
9/14/2011 11:04:31 am

Your thoughts please on this. Let's take a step back and look at the new law signed into place just before the birth - The Alaska Safe Haven Law - January 19, 2008 - perfect timing. This law allows a parent to turn their child over to someone of authority and no questions have to be "answered." Could it be possible that the child was turned over to someone like CBJ or someone else(someone very close with SP)who then acted in the child's best interest at least for a time being - until the supposed adoption if there was one. CBJ could have played many roles in this hoax which ultimately was the root cause for her to step down; yet confidentiality was/is still in play for the hospital, staff and information involved. Also, giving multiple roles to CBJ reduced the chance that info would be leaked. One more thing, if the baby was turned over under this law - I assume medical care would be automatically taken care as a ward of the state so to speak. So, in the first month or two the child's health was in jeopardy therefore no action was taken by any of the Palins and whomever was the authority figure was in charge of the baby's care. Of course, later on all this changed based on the baby's improved condition and the DS diagnosis. Now with limited chance of being adopted by another family, wheels needed to go quickly into motion. In haste, serious insurance issues loomed and, perhaps, CBJ helped with that too (or the HSS person).

Ivyfree
9/14/2011 11:04:54 am

"100s and maybe even a thousand people from the hospital (s), the State HR department and the TPA or entity charged with the responsibility for paying claims had access to Sarah's files. Are we to believe that nothing has ever leaked to the public or in the blogosphere if there was anything there? "

Katie Taylor: If you knew that, by talking about a confidential medical issue, you could personally be fined $25,000, lose your job, lose any license or certification you hold to perform your job, and be essentially unemployable in your chosen career field... how likely would you be to talk about that confidential medical issue? Remember you'd probably have to sell your house to pay the fine, and then you'd STILL face a lawsuit if your victim chose.

It always amazes me. So many people think that it would be easy to violate HIPAA. HIPAA is fucking HUGE. Nobody in their right mind would violate it.

nancydrewed link
9/14/2011 11:08:25 am

@Ottoline, Floyd -- re the NYT. Makes you want to tear your hair out, doesn't it? Palin finally gets exposed for youthful indiscretions, casual drug use and the Alaska subculture of guns, god and pre-marital pregnancies. Now throw in a mid-life affair. Not much here that the audiences of Jerry Springer or Real Housewives would have a problem with. Oh yeah -- and she's a conniver. Big non-deal.

Meanwhile all of the political rot and cynicism that anointed/enabled her will go forth unscathed. Forevermore. That's no iceberg we're seeing. It's an escape hatch. For almost the whole corrupt bunch, from the neo-con talent scouts to the RNC to the Palin Alaskan-style mafia and the whole Ailes-Murdoch effort to poison American politics. Absolutely maddening.

Sorry Palinoia, Laura for veering off-topic.

Viola-Alex
9/14/2011 11:20:25 am

@Ivyfree. I violated HIPAA. I briefly worked as a data processor for a big Pharma company that sold tests for various ailments. We processed the results (they sold the test and then did the analysis) and entered them. The results were then sent to the doctor. I recognized a famous person whose data I entered for an ulcer test-- and I told all my friends. To me it was just an anecdote, and I was the lowest of the low on the totem pole.

The man died a year later of cancer. I lasted in that job six weeks and quit. My co workers were like robots. I was not. It only takes one!

Tom link
9/14/2011 11:25:19 am

@nancy drewed

A poster over at IM mentioned that Joe and Janet Maslin, the NYT's reviewer, have had a bit of a feud dating back to the Jeffrey McDonald book, about 30 years. That, if true, could paly into the lousy review.

Joe's taped interview with the Today Show airs tomorrow. Savannah has twote, tweeted, whatever (you know I can barely get myself to use any verb or noun form of the tweet thing-- that technology and media has created and cultivated this need to be in constant communication is just gross) about it. Also, TP is gonna be on with his impressions. That could be ugly.

Viola-Alex
9/14/2011 11:26:06 am

@nancydrewed -- I share your frustration. That's why I've always believed Babygate was the only way to bring her down in a way that was both honorable and final. It takes scandal-- but not the silly stuff so far from Joe.

Cracklin Charlie
9/14/2011 11:34:37 am

Ginger,

The reason that I think Tripp was born prematurely is because of the picture of Levi in Sarah's kitchen with the tiny, fragile baby. That is not Trig, and I think it is Tripp. I have a really hard time disregarding the 2 separate pieces of photographic evidence of Levi holding two different tiny babies. Anon me again said that Trig was born prematurely.

There have been photos out that show Bristol not pregnant in November and December of 2008 looking clearly not pregnant. That could only mean that Tripp had already been born.

This is another thing that bothers me greatly. If Bristol already had premature deliveries twice, how could they allow her be on Dancing with the Stars in that condition? And I do think she was pregnant then, as well. That seems foolishly dangerous if that was indeed her condition at the time. Do you think her mother is ashamed of herself? I don't.

Cracklin Charlie
9/14/2011 11:41:57 am

comeonpeople

What about Tripp's ears? In my theory, he could be "Ruffles".

And I don't think baby Jeebus had anything to do with this caper.

search4more
9/14/2011 11:42:21 am

Tom,

Todd Palin hasn't read the book. He is mental to go on that show. He should wait till he knows what the book accuses them of first. There is the terrible possibility that he could be thrown by an accusation he is not expecting and then he'll be on the spot.

rubbernecking
9/14/2011 11:45:33 am

@Katie, thanks for the feedback.

The 6/4 emails still seems significant to me. It suggests the Palins were 1) very interested in adding Trig to the State policy and 2) deliberately chose Open Enrollment vs Life Change event.

If the Palins realized that adding Trig to Sarah's health plan was too risky, why didn't they simply withdraw the enrollment request after they received the first request for the birth cert? I don't understand the motivation to sign up during Open Enrollment a few weeks later. They had some reason to think Open Enrollment was a better option. What was the reason?

The lack of leaks from a CSR or state employee is a fair question. But we also don't have a source who has confirmed Bristol appeared pregnant or gave birth in 2008. You'd think some impulsive Wasilla teenager would have sold off photos or emails by now. We also don't have a source that explains how the Palins traded out different Trigs on the campaign trail while under Secret Service protection. The lack of credible leaks/sources is a problem for all our theories.

search4more
9/14/2011 11:58:17 am

If they went for open enrolment would it have been processed by a different person / department? Maybe she was waiting for the right person to process it for her. It would be worth analysing exactly who was in the departments that were dealing with this, and what their relationship was to Palin. Did she appoint them? ...Were they from Wasilla / her church?

Melly
9/14/2011 12:05:49 pm

Nah, wasn't pregnant on DWTS. Bristol's got a belly that bulges sort of the same way all the time, indicative to me of previous births in rapid succession. I'm not fully convinced she's Trig's mom. But the mom is someone in the family--the resemblance of Trig to heath/palin has been obvious from a young age (the Trig we've known since R convention).

Imagine putting EVERYTHING we know aside, all the flat-bellied pictures, irrational behavior, etc, and say, OK, Sarah is Trig's mom. We'd still have to ask: why the hell would she not submit his b.c. in time for this medical coverage??? Why the hell?

curiouser
9/14/2011 12:08:57 pm

Palinoia - Thanks for explaining TPA. I'm unclear on how TPA staff would have access to SOA files and hope Katie will help me out. It seems that the transmitted data would be sufficient for the TPA to process claims.

Melly
9/14/2011 12:11:31 pm

Rubbernecking, I also think the June 4 email is significant, but because of its casualness. Remind me to do this...instead of DO NOT LET ME FORGET to do this. It's health insurance we're talking about, not some errand, and one deadline was already missed. Makes me think it's almost for show.

B
9/14/2011 12:41:03 pm

@Cyn. "Trig would have/is categorically eligible for medicaid. Down syndrome automatically qualifier at birth. The states cannot deny coverage and family income is not an issue."

Medicaid! So there would not have been a rush to get him covered by SOA. Nor should there have been a big pile of debt to hold over Levi's head.

Palinoia, this seems worth confirming.

Tom link
9/14/2011 12:52:58 pm

@search4more

TP may have had a look at the interview already. I believe it was taped. Or they could show it to him prior to his interview. I agree with V-A that the stuff that's been leaked, basketball player/Palin sex and whatnot , is silly. And it was a long time ago. But it's her horrible hypocrisy that drives me to loathe her and her type and these silly escapades early on don't help her case.

I hope Todd does get stuck for an answer but if the interviews of Palin of the last three years, Barbara Walters, Oprah etc., are an indication, the questions will be easy and the lies will sail smoothly from his mouth. Look for a theme of victimization from TP. It's their default setting.

Katie Taylor
9/14/2011 01:05:10 pm

Ivyfree, leaks happen all the time. No one expects someone to step forward and make a public declaration of the information, if that is your definition of a leak then we are on different pages. The National Enquirer and other gossip rags thrive on the leak of confidential information much of it covered under HIPAA regs. I also don't need to be counseled on HIPAA being a BFD. I'm quite aware that it is. Since 2009 I have read thousands of articles, comments and Blog posts about Babygate and have yet to come across even a single anonymous post citing Trig's birth date or other related information.

Tom link
9/14/2011 01:12:58 pm

Laura, got weebled again. Seems to happen after 6 PM AK time. I responded to search4more but I don't feel like rfepeating it. Here's what I think is the first few pages of Joe's book courtesy of the NYT and OT. butt it's funny in a light hearted way and a break from the deductibles.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/14/books/excerpt-the-rogue-by-joe-mcginniss.html

Katie Taylor
9/14/2011 01:31:39 pm

Rubbernecking commented, "I don't understand the motivation to sign up during Open Enrollment a few weeks later. They had some reason to think Open Enrollment was a better option. What was the reason?"

I think the decision regarding waiting until OE was not a conscious one but driven out of necessity because they had missed the deadline for getting Trig added immediately following birth. This delay is probably connected to the issue of obtaining a birth certificate or having one but refusing to release it. If we accept that Sarah did not give birth, the release of Trig's birth certificate presents a huge danger for her. Since we don't know exactly when he was born we don't know when the 30/60 day life event enrolment period ended.

I lean more towards Trig not being Bristol's child. Regardless of who the birth mother is there easily could have been a delay in the preparation of the BC. I have no knowledge of how BCs are handled in adoption cases but even if Sarah and Todd's name are shown on the document there would no doubt be a conflict with the date of birth since they had told the world he was born on 4-18. On the other hand Sarah could have thought she really could add Trig during OE without having to present any documentation to support his addition to the plan.

SLQ
9/14/2011 02:09:22 pm

Ginger, I certainly respect your theory and think it has some merit. But just to clarify, I do think Trig was born prematurely, and I think that either bogus claims were submitted to the insurance company from Mat-Su and CBJ OR the May e-mail regarding the b/c was standard language in cases of newborns who had been added to the policy, but were missing documentation. Having worked in HR, we regularly had to chase down such documents. People think their baby is automatically covered, or that the application form is sufficient, and often don't follow through with the required b/c.

Certainly in every other case involving a newborn, there would be "continuing coverage" of "claims" for "your newborn," and the e-mail rings of a form letter, so it's hard to say if those words mean much in Palin's case.

SLQ
9/14/2011 02:20:13 pm

@Cyn. "Trig would have/is categorically eligible for medicaid. Down syndrome automatically qualifier at birth. The states cannot deny coverage and family income is not an issue."

Perhaps Palinoia and Katie can weigh in on this, but I think that Medicaid would also have required a birth certificate. In fact, I think any plan would require it. I think this was a huge gap in the pregnancy hoax plan. I think Sarah & Co. didn't think it through carefully, and when they did realize it, thought it would be much easier to fake than it turned out to be. And, as stated above, submitting the real one was much too risky.

If Anon238 is to be believed, it still hasn't been resolved. This makes sense to me, as a b/c would put this issue to rest for good (even if it's not good enough for us here at this point.)

SLQ
9/14/2011 02:25:47 pm

Actually, I just looked. To get ncluding Medicaid in AK, you must provide:

Proof of U.S. citizenship, such as a birth certificate, of all persons applying for benefits.

http://hss.state.ak.us/dpa/forms/gen50b-packet.pdf

I suspect Sarah, the mother, et. al. found themselves thwarted at every turn. I think this may explain some of the crazy stories and behavior at that time.

Rationalist
9/14/2011 02:37:00 pm

O/T but the backlash has taken less than a day:

http://tinyurl.com/6cz5jxf

Money quote: "Listen, friends. The horse that you have been beating for the past three years is dead. It died a long time ago. Not only is it dead, you are 8 feet underground and digging deeper with every blow. I know that the habit of beating it is a hard one to break, but at this point I’m beginning to wonder who’s crazy."

Excuse me while I freak out for a moment:

AAAAAHHHHHH!!!!! I don't know about the frickin' cocaine, but this woman FAKED A PREGNANCY AND PATHOLOGICALLY LIED ABOUT IT! And the story that gets everyone's attention is about her fucking a black basketball player, which is causing thinking people like Alexandra Petri to sympathize with her! I cannot take it anymore!

Talk me down, people. I fear she's going to get away scot-free.

Rationalist
9/14/2011 02:38:45 pm

(Sorry for using the F-word if it offended anyone.)

Katie Taylor
9/14/2011 02:53:46 pm

Final thought for the night; Those of us who have followed "babygate" for so long will no doubt be disappointed that Mcginnis did not take a definitive position on the matter as being a hoax. What his book will accomplish I think is that it will make it acceptable to talk about the topic among polite society. Hopefully, the MSM will realize that contrary to Sarah's statement otherwise, she has in fact never presented Trig's birth certificate. Of all the revelations in the book this will be the one item that she can refute with cold hard evidence if she is telling the truth. Folks may be embarrassed to ask her whether she slept with Glen Rice but hopefully the press will finally ask why has she allowed the claims to continue about Trig not being her biological child when she could have so easily addressed her detractors and made us all look like fools if we were wrong by releasing a copy of his birth certificate. I sense that the political class, even some of her former staunch supporters have come to see that she now represents a liability for their party and can do without her now that Rick Perry and Michelle B are on the scene. They both are capable of representing the bat S^&^&T crazy wing of their party. It's time for Sarah to get off the stage.

V ictoria link
9/14/2011 03:35:54 pm

@Katie: there was an anonymous post that claimed to be from a health worker who said that she was terrified of losing her job. It was put up at IM a few months ago, and the more recent Anon238 claims that they are not the same person.

The health worker anon says that she could tell us that Trig was definitely not born to Sarah, but she did not want to say who the parents were because she wanted to protect them (but she knows who they were). He was startling premature, and not born at Mat Su - which she knows because she knows where he *was* born.

V ictoria link
9/14/2011 04:06:46 pm

I'm really curious about what has gone on at MatSu. Given what I believe, SP did not give birth there. At the very most she may have spent the night there, arranged by her friend CBJ. Her relatives could have come to the facility and wandered around the halls.

However, as the Frontiersman reported the birth, it appears that someone from MatSu probably included it in the births - and then it was scrubbed, right? Did they remove other birth listings as well?

Does anyone have the evidence on this?

curiouser
9/14/2011 06:49:21 pm

V ictoria - I think you're asking about the Mat-Su online nursery directory. For April 18, the Frontiersman listed 6 births. I think there were only two included in the online nursery. The same type of discrepancy occurs for other days so I think it's safe to say that the online nursery is a service for patients who wish to use it...not an official listing. I'm not sure the newspaper announcements are an official listing either.

The online nursery also seems to be a source of confusion about the number of babies CBJ delivered in 2008. I've seen comments where people state, as fact, the number of babies CBJ delivered which I believe was derived from the online nursery.

comeonpeople
9/14/2011 09:30:50 pm

@cracklin Charlie:
The baby known as Tripp on the today show with Matt Laeur had perfect ears. Even though he loooked much bigger than his purported age, he was still too young to have had reconstructive surgery that worked. Also, I found a picture of Willow holding a baby with Sarah next to her. This infant hand syndactyly and also what appear to me to be neurofibromas on his little finger. I have never seen many comments on this picture. I have it saved on my desktop. I'll try to find the original source off the net and post it.
I don't think baby jeebus had anything to do with it either lol!!
I wait for the day we are all vindicated on this hoax.

O/T I made a quick comment on Facebook that was: Glen Rice :)
One of my republican neighbors defriended me after writing "I don't see what is funny". These poor people who do no critical thinking are the bane (bain?) of my existance. Again, can't wait for the day we can smile and say "Yeah, I've known she was a fraud since 8/08.

comeonpeople
9/14/2011 09:33:53 pm

@Laura:
Good morning. Have you ever seen the picture of Willow holding a baby who seems to have syndactyly? I will email you the picture and perhaps you can try to post it? (If I can't find it off the net. ) I saved it a long time ago on my computer.
Thanks

comeonpeople
9/14/2011 09:45:40 pm

@ Victoria:
Don't you wish the person who knows Tri-G wasn't born at Matsu would say he was born at hospital XYZ? I don't seen how this would be a HIPAA violation as he is not saying to whom he was born, just that it is NOT where Sarah said he was born. This would be an opening and it seems a safe opening to me. Of course, getting anyone to cover or report on it is another issue.

Viola-Alex
9/14/2011 10:47:08 pm

Thank you all for continuing the discussion. The details are as interesting as the rest.

Yep. Looks like on all counts they were thwarted by the birth certificate. Such is the New Age. It's kind of nice to think of Sarah not thinking of this little loophole. And how convenient that a DS child may not ever go to school or hold a job-- or need a soc sec #.

(I believe the Trig we now see is the real Trig, and that Ruffles (and maybe others) were loaners arranged by CBJ or others with access to abandoned babies.)

Anon
9/14/2011 11:01:03 pm

I am having a hard time believing Katie is legitimate--if she was a manager of a large Cigna office, surely she would know it's HIPPA (for "Patient Portability," i.e., COBRA) not HIPAA.

V ictoria link
9/14/2011 11:08:24 pm

@Anon: but HIPAA is a correct term - health insurance portability accountability act.

Often there's more than one acronym for the same thing.

So,it looks to methat Katie is legit.

Viola-Alex
9/14/2011 11:14:44 pm

In fact, it is HIPAA.

It is only HIPAA.

To spell it HIPPA, is wrong.

Anon
9/14/2011 11:24:54 pm

Thanks for correcting me. I'm relieved actually because Katie went through so much detail and I had this creeping suspicion. My bad.
Carry on...;)

mistah charley, ph.d.
9/14/2011 11:29:02 pm

Anon doubts Katie's legitimacy because Katie writes HIPAA, not HIPPA.

But HIPAA, Katie's usage, is correct. Anon is clearly misinformed.

Another, less clear cut, issue - automatic entitlement to Medicaid of an infant with a Down Syndrome diagnosis has been asserted by commenters on this thread, but I do not find an official source for this with admittedly brief searching. Is there one? Each state runs its own Medicaid program, so presumably this might differ from state to state.

Viola-Alex
9/14/2011 11:35:07 pm

I'm very familiar with Medicaid in TX which my brother has been on since 1976. His monthly income cannot exceed $1000mo (I think that's right) and he can only own his home and one car. That includes his wife as well. She would love to work and can't or my quadreplegic brother's medical care would not be covered. A 2-day hospital visit, which happens regularly, is $25,000 at least. My brother takes money under the table from a family member-- but on paper he follows the rules to the letter.

So I imagine that to qualify, Bristol would have to live a life of poverty, at least in appearance. Or face constant scrutiny by the Medicaid police.

mistah charley, ph.d.
9/14/2011 11:46:22 pm

With regard to "a DS child may not ever ... need a soc sec #" - actually, a person who was disabled before the age of 22 can be eligible for social security benefits based on the earnings record of their parent if their parent is receiving S.S. because of disability or retirement, or if their parent died while fully entitled to S.S. benefits. An adult person with Down Syndrome who meets the disability qualifications is thus entitled to get SSDI - but they would need their own SSN, and a birth certificate showing that they are the child of the person on whose earning record the SSDI claim is based.

Viola-Alex
9/15/2011 12:01:40 am

@mistah charley - but of course, but can you see Sarah giving a damn about what Trig might inherit off her? And above this comment, I slipped and mentioned Trig qualifying for Medicaid under Bristol. Sarah could never qualify.

search4more
9/15/2011 12:44:58 am

Anyone who is having problems with posting should highlight their message and copy it to the clipboard before posting. That way if it goes wrong you can just paste it in again and post again.

That's what I always do if I spend time on a long message.

mip
9/15/2011 12:49:33 am

This is a great post. The main thing that has bugged me about the fake pregnancy theory is why in the world would anyone deliberately take on the burden of adopting a special needs child. I just don't buy "political reasons". There are so many other things that she can do to establish credibility with the right to lifers and so on. adopting a DS child is extreme. However, I can totally see a scenario where she takes on this role in the way she's done it to commit insurance fraud. Just think, her teen daughter has a premie baby. probably during the course of the initial life saving work on the child they discover DS. Because it's a grandchild it would not qualify for long term care under Sarah's insurance, so they push to first adopt the baby from the kids. When that wasn't working she takes matters into her hands and announces she's pregnant. I can totally see how this would piss Bristol off. Her mother has just "stolen" her child. 15/16 year old kids (however old bristol was) really don't "get" how much care for a DS child will cost. Pissed off Bristol now wants a baby of her own, which works with the timeline in Levi's book....and there you have Tripp. It's not about the politics. It's about the insurance. Interesting.

Palinoia
9/15/2011 12:55:17 am

To tack on what Mistah Charlie's SSDI comment, and Katie's (and others) Medicaid / S-CHIP comments:

There are certain diagnoses (DS is one) where children can qualify to collect SSDI benefits from Social Security immediately. SSDI is the money portion of disability coverage.

People who have been on SSDI for a period of 24 months become entitled to Medicare coverage due to disability. The exception on getting Medicare sooner than 24 months is for those on renal dialysis or who have ESRD (End Stage Renal Disease). They qualify for Medicare almost immediately.

You can read more here:

http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10026.html

Medicaid and S-CHIP:

You read about Medicaid/DenaliCare in the original post. CHIP insurance is a Federal program for those whose incomes are too high to qualify for regular Medicaid. Still, both Medicaid and CHIP go by FAMILY income. That means ALL members in the household's income must be accounted for. Bristol as a minor child and living at home would need to disclose the parental income. which in Sarah's and Todd's case would most certainly be too high for either program.

You can read more about Medicaid and CHIP insurance here:

http://www.insurekidsnow.gov/qa/index.html

In either case, a birth certificate and SSN would be required. I can assure you that providing false information on a Medicaid/CHIP application (if caught) would not be a good thing. At minimum benefits would have to be paid back, and at worst, there is the potential to be criminally charged for fraud.



GhostbusterTX
9/15/2011 01:20:54 am

Victoria,
There is persistent rumor about Trig's birth announcement being "scrubbed" or deleted from the Mat-Su hospital's web site. The "evidence" that sparked these rumors was that there appeared to be google results that linked Trig's name to the Mat-Su hospital's nursery web page; however these results were actually due to google returning hits from blog posts etc. that contained a link to the nursery page along with questions about why Trig was NOT listed... Google doesn't make it super obvious that the association could be (and in this case, was) spurious, and I don't fault anyone for not noticing the fine print on the cached page, and rushing out to publish their discovery of a cover-up. Once the idea was out there, though, it quickly settled into conventional wisdom and still comes up as an established "fact".

I published a detailed explanation of how the google cache "ghost" of Trig's purportedly deleted birth announcement page came to be in the comments way back, on Audrey's blog I believe.

rubbernecking
9/15/2011 01:55:26 am

I strongly suspect Trig has an SSN and insurance. I think the risk of a Social Security or an insurance employee revealing Trig's true birth date is much lower than the risk of leaving Trig uninsured and "off radar."

How many people in the US even realize that Trig's actual birthdate is at question? For example, I haven't memorized the birthdates of the President's kids. If I saw a document with an incorrect birthdate for the President's daughter, I wouldn't recognize the error.

And even if someone knows the true birthdate, I'm not convinced they'd blog about it. I've learned some embarrassing (non-medical) things about three politicians from friend-of-friend situations. I am 100% certain one of the embarrassing factoids is known by a large number of people in certain circles--but I've never, ever seen it discussed on any blog.

everspring
9/15/2011 01:57:28 am

THE MONEY MAY NOT be an initial concern at all if Bristol followed the ALASKA SAFE HAVEN LAW. Below are my comments from an earlier post.

Let's take a step back and look at the new law signed into place just before the birth - The Alaska Safe Haven Law - January 19, 2008 - perfect timing. This law allows a parent to turn their child over to someone of authority and no questions have to be "answered." Could it be possible that the child was turned over to someone like CBJ or someone else(someone very close with SP)who then acted in the child's best interest at least for a time being - until the supposed adoption if there was one. CBJ could have played many roles in this hoax which ultimately was the root cause for her to step down; yet confidentiality was/is still in play for the hospital, staff and information involved. Also, giving multiple roles to CBJ reduced the chance that info would be leaked. One more thing, if the baby was turned over under this law - I assume medical care would be automatically taken care as a ward of the state so to speak. So, in the first month or two the child's health was in jeopardy therefore no action was taken by any of the Palins and whomever was the authority figure was in charge of the baby's care. Of course, later on all this changed based on the baby's improved condition and the DS diagnosis. Now with limited chance of being adopted by another family, wheels needed to go quickly into motion. In haste, serious insurance issues loomed and, perhaps, CBJ helped with that too (or the HSS person).

Jo
9/15/2011 02:18:15 am

Very interesting discussion here--so many good points and things to consider. One thing that has jumped out at me and I am hoping that you guys can help me through this. As far as the Safe Haven Law, where a newborn can be dropped off, that baby would not have a BC, nor birth parents known. How would that be handled? It seems like the perfect vehicle for BP. She could have the baby, find out that it has Down Syndrome, drop it off for CBJ through Safe Haven (not really, but for paperwork purposes and for the initial medical coverage) and then SP could become the guardian of the baby at a later date (April 18th?). It is a theory. Another thought on the BC, could it be that BP is the mom, but they don't know who that father is? Maybe that could have prevented a complete adoption, if they couldn't get permission from both parents.

Also, kudos to Palinoia, Katie and Laura for this excellent discussion.

Jo
9/15/2011 02:21:54 am

Jo
9/15/2011 02:22:41 am

@everspring,Hah! You and I were thinking along the same lines at the same time. How funny!

V ictoria link
9/15/2011 02:28:25 am

Ghostbuster TX: I still don't understand the bottom line. Did MatSu list Trig's birth or not?

everspring
9/15/2011 02:34:40 am

Jo, I'm with you all the way on Alaska Safe Haven Law. How convenient was the passing of this law in Jan 2008? Were there any emails that discussed this law and passing it urgently from SP and staff?

Viola-Alex
9/15/2011 02:38:39 am

@JO! What a question! Yes, indeed, what DOES happen to a Safe Haven baby's b/c?

The scenario you describe would work (techically) and someone like CBJ would have had to have been in on it.

katie taylor
9/15/2011 02:57:23 am

Anon, thank you for pulling back on your suspicion about my legitimacy. The fact that you did speaks volumes about the quality of the discourse on Laura's site. I made a snippy comment yesterday in response to a comment about what I interpreted as my ignorance around the importance of HIPAA. On reflection, my response was harsher than it needed to be and I want to apologize to Ivyfree.

In response to a couple other questions and comments;

1) The TPA would not have access to the actual birth certificate but they would have access to the actual date of birth and relationship to the employee (grandchild, child, etc.)

2) I am familiar with the comments made by anon238 and the health worker on IM but am suspicious of the veracity of the information given the lack of definitive or specific info vs general info..... not born to Sarah, not born at Matsu, born sooner than 4-18....these are all comments that any of us could have written. A leak of substance would provide at least the actual birth date and place of birth.
3) Trig would have undoubtedly qualified for traditional Medicaid at birth and in Indiana hosptials are allowed to activate this coverage without a birth certificate. In most cases the mother is already on Medicaid. Other non-income based programs would also exist for "special needs children" or critically ill children but would vary from state to state depending on funding. The access to coverage for Trig would not be a problem in my opinion; the barrier is the need for a document that substantiates his birth details and rights to coverage as an adopted child or child under Sarah's guardianship.

SLQ
9/15/2011 02:57:41 am

Everspring, I really don't think the Safe Haven Law had anything to do with the situation. First, the Safe Haven Law was introduced by the legislature in January 2007 -- much too early to have any effect on Sarah's drama in 2008. http://www.legis.state.ak.us/basis/get_bill.asp?session=25&bill=HB%20%2029

The state would issue a birth certificate. It would list the DOB as whatever the doctors determined was the DOB (was he apparently 12 hours old? 24?) and the parents would be "unknown." Later, when adopted, the parents would change, but the DOB would stay the same.

Safe Haven Laws exist in every state. Alaska was one of the last to pass one. They are there to encourage mothers to anonymously leave their babies, so they don't feel so trapped that they harm them. It means they cannot be criminally prosecuted for abandonment.

To get a baby back under those circumstances would be extremely difficult. You'd first have to convince state child protective services that you are a fit mother, and it would probably involve courts and dependency (where you are the parent, but the state retains custody, even if the child is in your home). Secondly, when you resume custody, you'd have to pay the state back for what it paid for the child's care, unless they went on state benefits when they resumed custody. But they'd go after the father for those expenses and child support. CBJ couldn't possibly have circumvented the state's custody, once the child was surrendered, and she couldn't just get the baby back.

The Safe Haven Law just doesn't provide any benefit that privately surrendering a child provides. And it makes things extremely messy if you end up keeping the child, if that's even possible.

Just my two cents.

SLQ
9/15/2011 03:08:05 am

Just to clarify, "whomever was the authority figure was in charge of the baby's care" would be the state, and a dependency petition would be filed immediately by the state AG's office, granting custody to the state. He'd then be placed in foster care. In foster care, the foster parents are responsible for care, but the state has custody.

Once in "the system," CBJ, the Palins, etc. would lose all control of what happened from the point of surrender onward. The fact that they have the baby (and had him from 4/21, when Sarah went back to work with him in a sling) indicates pretty strongly that they didn't surrender him at birth.

SLQ
9/15/2011 03:14:53 am

Sorry -- I sometimes tend to think in spurts.

The link that I posted shows that the bill went through the normal legislative procedure for over a year. It also shows that she was in no hurry to sign it. It was transmitted to her on 1/25/08, and she didn't sign it until 2/11/08. It didn't become effective until 5/11/08, after Trig was born.

(Scroll down to the bottom of the bill history at that link to see this info.)

Ivyfree
9/15/2011 03:19:09 am

"I made a snippy comment yesterday in response to a comment about what I interpreted as my ignorance around the importance of HIPAA. On reflection, my response was harsher than it needed to be and I want to apologize to Ivyfree. "

I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but don't worry about it. I think I overreacted myself, and I'm sorry. It makes me nuts when people comment about how somebody should be talking, when the penalties are so huge. So many people just don't realize what-all is involved in violating HIPAA. And aside from that, who's going to risk a job in this economy?

everspring
9/15/2011 03:29:40 am

SLQ, I see the Safe Haven Law playing out a bit differently and am just throwing out another possibility as to the first month or so of the baby's life and the question of who paid for his care while he was in the hospital. With respect to the passing of the Safe Haven Law - - I believe it was passed by the Senate Jan. 19, 2008. Perhaps SP urged it to pass in time for Bristol to use it.

1. Bristol has the baby (anonymously perhaps but not sure how this would have been done).
2. Bristol gives baby up anonymously to authority figure CBJ (using CBJ just for this scenario) based on the Safe Haven Act.
3. Baby is a preemie and is in hospital for quite awhile. Authority figure CBJ must see to it that care is provided for baby, period.
4. All the while the baby is in hospital, the Palins keep in contact with CBJ authority figure.
5. Baby gets well enough to come home. Has no home, where would baby go?
6. Wheels are put in motion for SP to adopt him, after all he is a Palin. NOT give him back to Bristol especially if she would have to pay the state back as you stated.
7. No financial burden placed on any member of family while baby was in hospital.
8. Birth certificates and pending coverage are another issue that the Palins had to deal with once they started the adoption process. Hence, the enrollment emails.

everspring
9/15/2011 03:36:39 am

SLQ, just read the additional info on Safe Haven Act, thanks for that. This topic and blog discussion will help all of us come to a better conclusion especially if we can systematically eliminate some of the "what ifs."

SLQ
9/15/2011 03:43:33 am

Since I posted in 3 incomplete parts, I'm not sure if you'd seen all 3 before you posted. But CBJ would not have remained the "authority figure." The state would have placed the baby in foster care, and that person and a Child Protective Services caseworker would have overseen his care. Whoever surrendered him anonymously would not have had any contact with the foster parent or CPS. When the baby was well enough to go home, he would go to the foster parent.

Yes, it was passed by the legislature, but the law didn't go into effect until 5/18, after his birth by any theory.

(I've worked in Child Advocacy, recently, including advocating for teen moms whose children are supervised by the state. They do not have an easy row to hoe, proving that they are fit mothers so they can assume custody of their own children. There are a lot of hoops to jump through, including mandatory parenting classes, home inspections by social workers, submitting household budgets for approval, having a work and/or education plan, etc.)

SLQ
9/15/2011 03:45:33 am

Everspring, that's why I like Laura's blog. People feel free to brainstorm and suggest theories, which is really helpful in looking at this hoax from all angles. And everyone tries to find the truth, using what facts we can find.

Ivyfree
9/15/2011 03:50:29 am

I keep thinking about Ruffles.

Anybody with a license is going to submit paperwork for a birth certificate after attending a birth, however that is handled. What about a home birth? Not attended by a professional? Babies have been born without medical attendance for a couple of million years. Yes, once the child is handed over to the state under the no-questions-asked laws, a birth certificate would be established with parents unknown.

I keep thinking there's something about Ruffles and his birth certificate. Was Ruffles, maybe, born on April 18, 2008? Not to Bristol? And his birth certificate was submitted to cover for the child currently known as Trig, whom we first met being held by his grandparents in a hospital room? That was not a neonate.

Maybe Bristol gave birth to the child currently known as Trig, slightly prematurely, about February 2008... and that was a home birth, not officially recorded.. and they were looking for a baby, born around an appropriate time, whose birth certificate could be used to cover for Trig. Maybe somebody handed over Ruffles and his birth certificate was eventually submitted... is there a girl, or a woman, broke enough to allow her child to be used? A birth certificate might be submitted for Ruffles, and then loaned out to be used for a different insurance company.. No, that won't work either.

Oh I don't know! I've just heard of people assuming the identity of people who died years ago. The whole thing makes no sense, and I don't think Sarah's really bright enough to think about health insurance coverage until it slaps her in the face.

Are there two babies using one birth certificate?

Palinoia
9/15/2011 03:52:52 am

My take on HIPAA and potential violations.

The law is the law, and I think we can all agree, if you get caught (reported) violating the HIPAA non-disclosure requirements, you could be in BIG trouble, much of the time, depending on the nature of the disclosure.

IvyFree and Katie - I'm somewhere middle of the road between each or your opinions. On one hand, employees at carriers DO talk...employees in HR department talk, employees in Benefits Departments talk....whisper, if you will on occasion amongst themselves. Is this a HIPAA violation? YES, if the receiver of the information does not have a "need to know" in order to conduct the business of insurance/HR/Benefits. The discloser of the information would be the one in trouble. However, this does happen some, and it usually goes unreported. Even if is reported, if the information never left the four walls of the building, then the affected patient/client that was being talked about, is probably never going to know. This is different than when carriers or providers accidentally make public private information, ie, as recently happened to Stanford hospital. They are required by law to notify the affected patient of the disclosure.

Second, increasingly the whispering inside of insurance carriers is much less now, than say 10 or 15 years ago. That's because, all it takes is ONE employee to go to the Compliance office of the carrier and report you for violating HIPAA. At that point, an internal investigation and interviews will ensue. If you are found to have violated HIPAA, the ramifications vary. It depends on how/why/what was disclosed and to whom it was disclosed. Insurance company employees are generally VERY careful because, it can result in termination. So, to support what Katie said, in the most technical sense of HIPAA privacy laws, disclosures happen ALL the time, especially internally at insurance carriers. When it is limited to an internal employee to employee disclosure, again depending on how things go down, it may result in a written reprimand, or termination, or more likely than not it would go unreported.

What is less likely to happen is for said insurance employee to then turn around and spout off private medical information to someone OUTSIDE the carrier. Once in the public domain, I agree with IvyFree, that the penalties could be much worse. Add in the "Famous Person" factor, and it is almost certain loss of employment and possible lawsuit.

So, in the end, I do believe people may have very well "whispered" about this internally, but would never go willingly on the record to disclose it publicly. Add in the vindictive streak of all things Palin, and I know if it were my job, and my personal economy, my lips would be sealed...probably even if I were protected by whistle blower laws because of the so-called Palin Mafia.

1Doubter
9/15/2011 03:55:43 am

Maybe a bit off topic: If Track was really her bastard son with Curtis Menard, but she did not tell Todd about it, and Todd thought he was his - at that point in time, they both were young and had not much assets, so I betcha that they would have enrolled him in the Native insurance program. Wouldn't that be insurance fraud also, too?

Palinoia
9/15/2011 03:59:23 am

@ 1Doubter,

It would not be fraud if Todd signed the birth certificate (even if he knew he wasn't bio dad).

Think Jerry Springer - lots of dads sign off birth certificates at the hospital, only to find out later that they weren't *really* dad. But, if no one contests it or questions it, then you are forever recorded as being the BIO dad.

rubbernecking
9/15/2011 04:02:54 am

@SLQ, can you comment on pros/cons of private adoption vs legal guardianship of a grandchild or other minor family member?
Which would leave the smallest paper trail?

molly malone
9/15/2011 04:03:53 am

Things that have puzzled me:

Frank Bailey stated that S.P. asked him what he thought public reaction would be to a pregnant governor. I believe this was three years prior to her miraculous Pregnancy. (Have not read his book so am going by comments on blogs.) Which, if true, would indicate she already had some thoughts along those lines swirling around in her head.

Then Bristol writes: "And now I'm going to be a mother duck to that baby," which many interpreted to mean that Bristol was pregnant. But what if S.P. knows she has a shot at the V.P. slot if McCain wins the nomination? Knows, too, that a D.S. baby will give her creds with the religious right that McC sorely lacks? So when someone (could be Bristol, but this strikes me as a bit of a stretch) gives birth to Trig, S.P. takes to wearing scarves and pillows; nothing too noticeable, because if McC doesn't win, she'll give them a toss and no one will be the wiser. And Trig, too, is kept on hold--no need to claim him as hers UNLESS McCain gets the nomination.

If it all went down like this, then Trig's birth and medical care might not have cost S.P. anything until she claimed him as hers. Then Big Unanticipated Problems.

Ivyfree
9/15/2011 04:09:48 am

I've always felt that Convention Trig was Bristol's child. Just something in the way that she holds him, and Levi kissing the baby at the RNC and all.

But Bristol wasn't living at home the winter of 07-08. The time that somebody was pregnant with Trig.

Can we try this on for size: Bristol was staying with her aunt. She receives prenatal care as a Jane Doe, with CBJ's connections to providing care for abused children. Her story could have been that she is estranged from her family. Maybe even a runaway because of her parent's strictness and she was a wild child. Would she be eligible for free medical care as a runaway, not living with her parents? Wouldn't that mean her infant got coverage too? After the birth, they could have been "reconciled" and Bristol could have allowed Sarah and Todd to either adopt legally or foster him.

I've always wondered why Bristol really stayed with her aunt in Anchorage. The story was to keep her away from Levi, but Levi had a truck and it was only about 40 miles and it was reported that they were seeing each other. Sending Bristol to Anchorage wouldn't keep her away from Levi, so that story makes no sense.

One of my daughter's friends showed up at my house as a teenager, upset that she had found what was undoubtedly drugs (a white powder in a Copenhagen tin) in her father's toolchest. She wanted to talk to some professional. I tried so hard to find somebody for her to talk to, but nobody would do it. Since she was living with her parents- and wanted to continue living with her parents, not wanting her father to go to jail or something- there was no way to find her any counseling. I tried at the state and local level and everyone said the same thing: if she wasn't living with them, then they could do it- but not while she stayed with her parents. A runaway could get help.

Finally I taught her how to drive so she'd have a way to escape, and told her she was always welcome to come to us if she felt unsafe, and she spent a lot of time at our house until school opened, and then we got her into a school-based program for children of substance abusers.

It just makes me wonder if this is how the Palins gamed the system and got health care provided for.

I know a lot of people have said in the past that Bristol would have been recognized. I'm not sure that's true. First of all, not everyone pays attention to the kids in a picture in the paper. Second, the pictures available were of a slender girl- not a girl chunked up with pregnancy. There are a million chunky girls with long dark hair. If anybody said anything, all she would have to do is say that other people have thought she resembled Bristol, too.

Why would Bristol move 40 miles away to "avoid a boyfriend" who was driving there regularly to see her? That story makes no sense.

SLQ
9/15/2011 04:22:29 am

Rubbernecking, you asked "can you comment on pros/cons of private adoption vs legal guardianship of a grandchild or other minor family member? Which would leave the smallest paper trail?"

Adoption would be a longer process, creating more paper. However, either would be sealed, and the records would not be available to the public. A court employee or attorney would be violating ethics laws and would face severe sanctions if they disclosed information from sealed records.

In a way, this was the perfect "crime." Medical records are covered by HIPAA, birth certificate records are not public in AK until 100 years after birth, and any court records are automatically sealed. Combine that with Palin's influence in AK, and it's no wonder it is taking so long to uncover the truth, and why we brainstorm about so many theories.

But it's also why she hasn't provided any proof refuting the claim or sued any of the bloggers or, for instance, Joe. She can't risk exposing the records, either.

V ictoria link
9/15/2011 04:22:48 am

Do we know where in Anchorage CBJ had privileges? That could be where BP gave birth in early 2008.

Palinoia
9/15/2011 04:25:00 am

Re: Frank Bailey's retelling of the "pregnant governor" detail.

I dunno....I just have a really HARD time believing that SP would cook all this up that far in advance. My theory? Maybe she was late on her period...of course why would she think she might be pregnant if she really already had a tubal ligation.

Doesn't surprise me, nothing makes sense.

Maybe Frank Bailey is relaying this information with a false time frame? That seems most plausible to me.

Melly
9/15/2011 04:32:01 am

Victoria, don't forget the possibility of a Seattle birth site...though I doubt it would make a difference in insurance coverage.

SLQ
9/15/2011 04:41:40 am

V ictoria, in early 2008, CBJ had privileges at (at least) Providence hospital in Anchorage and Mat-Su Regional in Palmer. This was stated in the election-eve letter she "wrote" for Sarah, and I believe that was verified, but I don't remember by who. I know I looked her up a few months ago, and she once again has privileges at both hospitals.

rubbernecking
9/15/2011 04:58:38 am

@SLQ, thanks. A few more for you:

Do all private adoptions require a visit from Social Services to evaluate fitness of the adoptive parents?

Assume Bristol gave birth but did not want to give up her child. Would it be fairly straightforward for the Palins to get legal guardianship of their grandchild for insurance purposes? Is it just a court hearing? Would anyone from Social Services be involved? Is it correct to assume the birth cert is unchanged in case of guardianship?

Banyan
9/15/2011 05:03:56 am

@Molly Malone

I think Frank Bailey was sending a major clue when he mentioned the 2006 "pregnancy" trial balloon from Palin.

My thoughts are that this was exactly when the Fundie operatives (directed by the GOP) were setting up their Sarah Palin for VP websites, and plans to promote Sarah as the Secret Dominionist candidate were well under way.

This has all the marks of a deliberate religious/political hoax, and the many deep pockets behind it all would make the worry about insurance unnecessary -- at least in terms of paying the NICU/delivery bills. As to the paper trail that paying in cash would leave, or would not leave, that is another story.

Several babies were involved. None of the babies we now think of as Trig or Tripp were born "extremely preterm" -- believe me, as a mom who knows, the tell-tale marks of preemie-hood do not go away quickly and neither of these babies has them. Ruffles did, however.

jk
9/15/2011 05:29:56 am

Banyan, as you and loyal readers here know, I have a lot of appreciation for your theory. As for signs of preemie-hood, I don't have personal experience on this, but if blue-sweater-airplane baby was the child now known as Trig, I agree, that was not a photo of a premature infant. It is an interesting new observation, that the deep-pockets conspiracy would also provide a neat answer to the excellent questions Palinoia has raised. It is impressive, how well the theory holds together.

One question comes to mind, different topic but related to all of this: I agree it's proven beyond reasonable doubt that Trig and Ruffles were two different babies (and Tripp was a 3rd). Is it possible that according to the official records -- SS numbers, etc -- there was only a single "Trig"? Ruffles' birth certificate, which presumably must exist due to his NICU stay, etc, now attached to Trig? In which case Ruffles would be completely off the grid -- in particular he would not appear on the Social Security Death Index if he didn't survive. Or if he did survive he would presumably be in major limbo, insurance-wise and otherwise.

Marie
9/15/2011 05:39:17 am

IvyFree speculated that perhaps the birth was an unreported home birth with no birth certificate.

Both my babies were born outside the hospital with Certified Nurse Midwives in attendance---one in a freestanding birthing center, the other at home. In both cases, the births were reported to the state and we were given paperwork to fill out for social security cards and birth certificates. I'm not as personally familiar with lay midwives, but presume they would have done the same thing.

It's theoretically possible that this baby could have been born at home in an UNPLANNED home birth without any professionals in attendance. However, such babies are usually whisked off to the hospital pretty fast after birth, often within minutes of birth, where the people at the hospital would see that the birth was duly recorded and the appropriate paperwork submitted.

It's also theoretically possible the parents chose to do it themselves and birth the baby at home without any professionals present. In this case, the burden would be on the parents to make sure that the birth was recorded. However, this is an extremely rare choice. Parents who go this route tend to be experienced with the birthing process and choose to do it themselves either for philosophical, geographical, or financial reasons For instance, I know a couple who chose to do an unattended home birth with their 6th child because they felt they were experienced enough with out-of-hospital births and (more importantly) could not afford midwifery services at that point in time. (All went well, BTW.) Or a couple might decide to do an unattended birth because they were too far in the wilderness or because there were no professionals in their community who would accept their particular specifications for the birth. There is no evidence that any of these applied to this particular situation.

In any case, all the evidence points to this particular baby being premature enough to require medical attention, so even if the baby were born at home for whatever reason, it would not have stayed there very long before being transported to the hospital and being subject to the usual hospital bureaucratic procedures.

rubbernecking
9/15/2011 05:44:38 am

@Banyan, I believe you are mistaken about the dates of Sarah for VP websites.

According to Bailey's book, the pregnant governor conversation occurred 2 years before she told her staff she was pregnant. He says the conversation occurred soon after opening the campaign office "before things got busy." This places the conversation in early 2006--when Palin was still campaigning for the Republican gubnatorial primary.

Palin won the Republican primary in an upset in Aug 2006, then the election in Nov 2006, and was sworn in as governor in Dec 2006.

The palinforvp blog began in early 2007, after she was elected governor.

Marie
9/15/2011 05:46:10 am

Oops---a couple clarifications.

With our out of hospital births, the midwives not only gave us the SSN and birth certificate paperwork to fill out, but also took that completed paperwork from us and sent it to the appropriate places. We parents were not responsible for seeing that the paperwork was submitted. I think that is pretty standard procedure.

Also, about my friends who did the unattended home birth...I think that may actually have been their 4th child who was the unattended home birth. They had 8 kids, and almost all of them were birthed at home, so it's hard to keep track.

Ottoline
9/15/2011 05:53:53 am

Re HIPAA leaks. I'd appreciate knowing your take on "professional gossip," something I encountered as a kid at our family dinner table. My parents, both medical professionals, occasionally spoke to each other about their patients with details that I knew should be kept confidential. It seemed innocuous to me, since it wasn't going to leave our dinner table (and never did), but it opened my naive eyes to the idea that medical professionals have BFFs too, and they probably DO talk among themselves, well aware of HIPAA.

So that once again brings me to Dar Miller, well connected (it appeared) in the NICU world she had formerly worked in. It seems really unlikely to me that she and her colleagues in that small Alaska world did not know what we are here trying to learn.

And I am perhaps projecting upon her the ethical stance that was suggested in her scant obituary text, which might make her a person who would say the emperor has no clothes.

I do think there is reason to suspect that Dar knew a lot. Was she possibly ready to take some action? and was she silenced, not only to stop Dar's potential actions but also as a warning to others who might choose to reveal anything about this matter.

Between a credible threat of death by arson and losing one's job, it seems reasonable to me that there have been no leaks.

Cracklin' Charlie
9/15/2011 06:01:31 am

Ivy,
That is one thing that always bothered me, as well. The only explanation that makes sense to me is that she was already pregnant at that time with the child now known as Tripp. Which could also mean that the aunt is already helping take care of Baby Trig. I can't help wondering if this is why he came to thrive after such a perilous birth. Good thing it was her and not Sarah.

And to everyone else,
I am pretty sure that Bailey is still lying to protect his queen. I do not believe everything he says.

Viola-Alex
9/15/2011 06:07:59 am

That is precisely why I believed the first Anon -- the one who was afraid to lose her job -- because she tiptoed down the HIPAA line. She said where Trig wasn't born, but not where he was. Who Trig's mother wasn't, but not who was.

I still hope there is one tiny mistake somewhere, some i that was not dotted, regarding Baby Hoax.

O/T But I do wish Joe McG had been a real journalist. The NYT excerpt is fat with filler material. The kind of journalist who would have tracked down Dar's partner or family, dare to do something so dangerous.

Ferry Fey
9/15/2011 06:09:45 am

I too have been wondering about the possibility of a single birth certificate between Ruffles and Trig. Can't see anyone officially wanting to touch that with a ten foot pole, without DNA to back up accusations, weird as it might get. Just too easy to spin it that you are picking on Palins.

SLQ
9/15/2011 06:13:57 am

Rubbernecking: I am more familiar with dependency than adoption or family guardianship issues, but here's what I do know (keep in mind this can vary slightly from state to state):

Do all private adoptions require a visit from Social Services to evaluate fitness of the adoptive parents?

Yes, I believe a home study is required in an independent adoption. Here is a website I found that provides info to prospective parents which explains that (and some differences between agency adoptions and independent adoption): http://www.adoption101.com/independent_adoption.html

Assume Bristol gave birth but did not want to give up her child. Would it be fairly straightforward for the Palins to get legal guardianship of their grandchild for insurance purposes?

It would depend on whether the mother gave consent for the guardianship. If she consented, it would probably be a simple petition to the court. If the mother contests it, it would be more complicated and drawn out.

Is it just a court hearing?

Yes, after the guardian files the motion and any other paperwork the court reuires, the court grants (or denies) the guardianship. As above, if contested, it would be more involved.

Would anyone from Social Services be involved?

For a simple, uncontested guardianship, probably not, although I'm not positive about that. If the state was previously involved due to abuse or neglect (probably not the case here), they would remain involved.

Is it correct to assume the birth cert is unchanged in case of guardianship?

Correct. However, a parent or guardian can petition the court to change a child's name. This does not change the birth certificate, though (think changing your name legally when you marry or divorce -- this doesn't change your irth certificate.) The court tends to scrutinize such requests more carefully for a child, and in most states, both parents must agree.

Here's a good chart I found comparing adoption to guardianship in AK: http://hss.state.ak.us/ocs/Adoptions/ComparisonChart.htm. Note that it states that "the birth parent/s can request [to the court] that guardianship be taken away from the caregiver and that the child be returned to their care if parental rights have not been terminated."

Tom link
9/15/2011 06:17:36 am

Three years of foreplay--oy.

eclecticsandra
9/15/2011 06:39:56 am

Are footprints put on birth certificates, or is that just for hospital records? Can a footprint be used for identification of a child later on? Just thinking about how one child could be substituted for another.

Banyan
9/15/2011 07:09:47 am

@ rubbernecking

You are right about the website officially starting in Feb. 2007, but, John Bitney, working on the Palin campaign, noted (and he was not alone) in 2006 that Palin would be a likely prime-contender for the VP nomination. (See Jane Mayer's New Yorker article.)

At the same time, Adam Brickley -- a Fundie from Colorado, from a sect of Christians called "Messianic Judaism" -- was fresh out of "internship" with the Heritage foundation and setting up his website. Sarah for Veep was up and running by Feb. 2007, but a great deal of talk and planning preceded it.

Sarah, meanwhile, had stated to friends (as far back as her Wasilla City Council days) that her ambition was to proceed directly to the Presidency. Her church had declared her "Queen Esther" and/or on a Divine political Mission as early as 2004.

molly malone
9/15/2011 07:12:57 am

@ Banyon

I agree that if Trig's birth was a deliberate religious/political hoax, the groundwork had to have been laid well in advance of the actual "event".

Sarah and Todd aren't the brightest Crayolas in the box and it has always amazed me that they were able to successfully pull off a hoax of such magnitude: after a one month pregnancy, Sarah gives birth to a two or three months old baby, and never misses a day of work. Why wasn't the media all over this?

Enter Bristol, who conveniently disappeared for months due to . . . what, exactly? Why? The reasonable assumption would be that she was pregnant, that she gave birth to Trig, and that Sarah nobly covered for her. I suspect that many journalists gave Sarah a pass because, although they didn't buy her tall tale, they felt this was a family matter best left alone.

But what if Bristol wasn't pregnant? What if she didn't give birth to a D.S. baby, who would prove such an asset to Sarah's political fortunes? What would reporters' response have been to Sarah's faux pregnancy had Bristol not "disappeared" at a critical time?

Yes, I know there are RNC photos of Bristol and Levi treating Trig with love and affection. How better to reinforce suspicion that they are Trig's bio parents?

Banyon, I agree that Ruffles was a preemie--one that was on temporary loan.

FrostyAK
9/15/2011 07:41:43 am

Large medical bills and the already negotiated money deals (books and tv show) fit nicely into the resignation proclaimed in imperial word salad. We all know those deals were in place when she gave AK to her puppet in July 2009. It would take only a small portion of the money from those deals to pay for all of the baby(s) medical bills.

Once they were paid, she could continue to grift for more money from her paint chip eating supporters, for her PAC. As has been done just this week.

Has anyone found information on her LEGAL legal defense fund? Income and payouts?

If she tries to run for office, her IRS returns will be public information. That would show if huge medical expenses were claimed, and when.

Banyan
9/15/2011 08:01:56 am

@ Molly Malone

Bailey also mentions in his book that Sarah herself was the one who started the "Bristol is pregnant" rumors by issuing heated on-the-record denials to a story that no one else had even heard about.

According to Bailey, this was one of Sarah's tricks for garnering sympathy or changing the subject -- to generate or promote a rumor about herself -- and then complain about all the people attacking her.

I also find it awfully hard to believe that Bristol conveniently delivered a DS baby for Sarah-- the perfect political prop, at the perfect political time, unless something really weird (like the IVF/surrogacy theory I've previously mentioned) was involved.

nancydrewed link
9/15/2011 08:22:50 am

A little break for levity, all -- from the Vanity Fair blog by Juli Weiner :

"Hoary journalist Joe McGinniss lived next door to Sarah Palin, of the Wasilla Palins, for the summer and then wrote a book about it. That account of his experiences, titled The Rogue, received an unkind review in yesterday’s New York Times. Todd Palin, Alaska’s former First Gentleman and the raddest snowmobiling bum north of northern Canada, also did not care for McGinniss’s work. “His book is full of disgusting lies, innuendo, and smears,” Todd said in a statement. “Even The New York Times called this book ‘dated, petty,’ and that it ‘chases caustic, unsubstantiated gossip.’”

Curious that Todd would cite the socialist propaganda organ in his argument against the validity of The Rogue: criticizing the media, particularly such leftist glorified wrapping paper as the Times, is a well-documented and treasured Palin pastime. Upon more rigorous examination, Todd’s favorable comment seems to suggest that he considers the mainstream media accurate only when it is generous to his wife. Although … that would mean it is that Palins, and not the press, who are biased. And that can’t be. Everyone start over."

The opera turns commedia.

nancydrewed link
9/15/2011 08:27:25 am

Oops. Dropped the headline: "Sarah Palin Now in Bed with Arthur Sulzberger, Jr.; Todd Approves".

Ivyfree
9/15/2011 08:51:35 am

"In any case, all the evidence points to this particular baby being premature enough to require medical attention, so even if the baby were born at home for whatever reason, it would not have stayed there very long before being transported to the hospital and being subject to the usual hospital bureaucratic procedures."

I agree the unattended home birth is a long shot, however, it doesn't mean that the child would be rushed to the hospital. I could see some parents saying there's no point in having a hospital bill when they've got a healthy baby.

Can you explain to me what evidence exists that argues a premature birth? The only evidence I'm aware of is Sarah's statement.

And Sarah's a known liar.

Laura Novak
9/15/2011 09:02:56 am

I say a Pulitzer for all my friends here. You are all amazing, the way you've continued this conversation and added so much information and value to it. Thank you all.

I have a new post going up in a little while, but for now, please continue to think this through. My warmest thanks to Palinoia for the fabulous research that she provided here. And to all of you for your own expertise and professional wisdom

And FWIW, it is despicable that the Times hired a woman who has publicly torn Joe M. to shreds before, only to have him debunk her review of Fatal Vision and make her look like the fool she was for that review. That was a biased, unprofessional move on the Times' part. Should I be surprised?

Ivyfree
9/15/2011 09:03:36 am

"Re HIPAA leaks. I'd appreciate knowing your take on "professional gossip," something I encountered as a kid at our family dinner table. My parents, both medical professionals, occasionally spoke to each other about their patients with details that I knew should be kept confidential."

I don't know what year you're talking about. HIPAA was signed in 1996 and took effect in 2003. If your memories are from before 2003, it was perfectly legal. If they discussed their patients without any identifying information, it's just conversation; it's not even unethical.

Viola-Alex
9/15/2011 09:08:53 am

@Laura -- Joe's feud is with Janet Malcolm (new yorker) not Janet Maslin, the nyt reviewer. Even they are not that dastardly. UNLESS by choosing Maslin they hoped to stir the pot with the similarity in names.

Ivyfree
9/15/2011 09:09:41 am

"Yes, I know there are RNC photos of Bristol and Levi treating Trig with love and affection. How better to reinforce suspicion that they are Trig's bio parents?"

I'm not sure Bristol's acting ability is up to the pretense. The rumor is that she's not in the least compelling on camera, which I find believable.

Laura Novak
9/15/2011 09:16:54 am

Ah yes, V-A, you are correct and I stand corrected. I was amazed that the Times could go that low.

Thanks for clearing that up in my foggy mind!

Melly
9/15/2011 09:44:30 am

Yes, I gasped when I saw Janet Maslin's name, thinking of Malcolm, but also thinking, isn't Maslin a film critic?

Palinoia, I am so looking forward to your part II, but with patience. You not only think well, you write well.

Up
9/15/2011 10:36:53 am

the only evidence for a preemie are (1) Sarah Palin, known liar, anonymous blo comments, and the photos of Ruffles with Levi, Sadie, and Sarah.

Tom link
9/15/2011 10:41:45 am

Laura, V-A, Melly,

I made the same mistake, Maslin/Malcolm. Worse, I passed it on here (only because I wanted it to be true---shame on me).

Venefica
9/15/2011 10:55:51 am

@curiouser: How do we know Trig Palin is on the Alaska Permanent Fund rolls? Can you supply a link to a list with his name on it (and when he was first added)?

If a BC is required for PF distributions, then (absent illegal shenanigans), a BC for Trig was produced. Yes? No?

Marie
9/15/2011 10:56:24 am

@IvyFree writes: “I agree the unattended home birth is a long shot, however, it doesn't mean that the child would be rushed to the hospital. I could see some parents saying there's no point in having a hospital bill when they've got a healthy baby. “ Theoretically, you’re absolutely right. In practice, such a scenario is extremely unlikely.

Birthing babies is a very natural affair, but it is also very messy. A family dealing with the aftermath of an unattended home birth on a do-it-yourself basis would have to figure out how to deliver the placenta, cut the cord, and deal with maternal bleeding, among other things. This sort of knowledge was once widespread in our culture and within our extended families, but most of us today simply don’t have the skills or knowledge to handle this situation on our own without professional assistance. There also might be questions or concerns about feeding, diapering, cord care, and health assessment of the mother and baby (even with experienced parents).

Under ideal circumstances, a calm, rational, resourceful person might be able to handle all these matters and more with a handy medical textbook and a few searches on Google. However, parents who have just birthed a baby tend not to be thinking in a calm, rational, resourceful manner, even when everything has gone according to plan. Unless they had planned well in advance for the event or had some extensive prior experience with delivering babies , the parents experiencing an unattended home birth would likely be extremely stressed out by the experience and not be emotionally prepared to deal with all these issues.

I speak from experience here since I actually participated in an unplanned unattended home birth a few years ago, when my neighbor had an extremely short, fast labor with her second child . Dad caught the baby and did an outstanding job, but both parents were shocked and extremely freaked out by the experience. This particular family actually had the option of staying at home and having a certified nurse midwife give them follow-up care at home, but the ambulance could not come fast enough as far as they were concerned. And this was an easy delivery and a full-term, healthy baby with no medical issues whatsoever.

jk
9/15/2011 10:58:42 am

@Up: the photos of Ruffles in Palin's kitchen show a tiny, fragile infant, consistent with premature birth. Unless one wants to claim there were two different babies with ear deformities, this same baby appears in two photos in Bailey's book, taken May/June.

@Banyan, it's one of the more compelling points in favor of the IVF theory, the enormity of the coincidence that Bristol would have just happened to produce the perfect prop. I agree: not bloody likely! It makes marginally more sense if Bristol produced Ruffles who had FAS, not DS -- a theory many have mentioned, but there is compelling evidence that Ruffles was a DS baby.

@Ferry Fey, the BC issue is relevant, and interesting, for a number of reasons. It's pretty clear that Ruffles must have had an official BC, and SS number. If he had died, it would be a matter of public record. A perhaps little-known fact is that it is MUCH easier to find/track dead people than live ones. I searched the SS Death Index once; I should probably look again to see if anything new has been added. It's possible that Ruffles is alive and out there somewhere -- one hopes so! If he didn't survive, his death could potentially be buried forever if the substitute "prop Trig" came into the world without official documentation.

Tom link
9/15/2011 12:21:56 pm

Laura, Melly, V-A,

I, too, confused Malcolm/Maslin. Worse, I brought the confusion here. Shame on me.

FrostyAK
9/15/2011 12:34:27 pm

@ Venefica

"How do we know Trig Palin is on the Alaska Permanent Fund rolls? Can you supply a link to a list with his name on it (and when he was first added)?"

Here's a link to applicants:
http://www.pfd.state.ak.us/applicantinfo/index.aspx

Blades comment on it here:
http://shesnohockeymom.blogspot.com/2010/09/short-update-regarding-alaska-permanent.html

How could he be there without a BC? One of $P's unqualified BFF's was appointed by her to head the PFD division. Remember $P was the one who said "I am the mayor, I can do anything I want, until a court says I can't". Imagine how much further inflated that ego became when she was elected gov. That's why I would not trust JUST a BC to prove she birthed Trig - on any date. I don't trust the state government of AK at any level.

Banyan
9/15/2011 12:38:47 pm

@jk

What is the compelling evidence that Ruffles has/had DS?

I do doubt that Ruffles died (if so, it was probably not a natural death).

The pictures of Ruffles may look pretty frail to people who are not used to seeing *really* frail preemies, but s/he looked relatively good to my experienced eye -- at the very least, a survivor.

Phyllis
9/15/2011 01:04:47 pm

@ Venefica
Here's a link for the PFD data of people that applied for the 2009-2011 checks.

One of the people that used to comment on Palin's Deceptions checked the 2008 database and said Trig wasn't on it.

jk
9/15/2011 01:07:08 pm

@Banyan, Laura's MD source said that in his opinion Ruffles had DS (someone correct me if I'm wrong please!), and the baby shown in Bailey's book appears to have DS.
Another post to follow.

Phyllis
9/15/2011 01:08:23 pm

Forgot to add the link but I see FrostyAK has posted it.

Up
9/15/2011 01:17:34 pm

jk, I am not inferring there were two preemies. Another commenter asked about evidence of a preemie. Photos of Ruffles are the only evidence.

Though most likely a preemie, Ruffles did not appear to be extremely frail. Ruffles' scrawny chicken legs and spindly arms look a great deal like my preemie, who was born 5 weeks before due date. My child was just barely big enough to go to the regular nursery, but was able to go home with me at 48 hours. This child has never spent another night in the hospital, thankfully. So I don't think Ruffles was necessarily a medically frail child.

jk
9/15/2011 01:35:54 pm

Okay, here we go.
It was a sad exercise, but I searched the Social Security Death Index for babies who 1) were born after 9/2007, 2) were alive at least through 6/2008, and 3) died in Alaksa after 6/2008. The assumptions here were: Ruffles was born to Bristol some time after the "Christmas" '07 photo, Ruffles appears in the photos dated May/June 2008 in Bailey's book, Ruffles died in Alaska sometime after that. I found a total of only 8 babies that meet all three criteria. Then I poked around with "people finder" sites, etc, to look for the names. Two names jump out at me, one in particular:
Emerald O. Workman, 10/12/07-9/11/10
M. Johnso, 2/26/08-6/6/08

Workman jumps out because the name is familiar: I could have sworn I've seen it go by in the Palin blogs, and there is a family by that name in Wasilla, But I found an obituary for Emerald, a very sweet little girl who appears to have been part of a normal, loving, family.

That leaves "Johnso." I don't find any Johnso families in Alaska -- none. Maybe a trailing "n" got dropped, but also note the absence of a first name. M is an initial? Or simply M = male? The dates are intriguing as well: February '08 birthday, in line with what many of us suspect for the timing of Ruffles' birth; death date not long after Ruffles last documented appearance. (I admit, it doesn't fit anon238s claim of a birthday before V. day.) It had struck me that the baby shown in Bailey's book didn't look healthy: not frail, but face chubby to the point of looking swollen, asleep in both shots. I've never seen any photo that was clearly Ruffles that showed him looking alert, or even awake. Worth a little more investigation, maybe? I have another idea or two to pursue -- but later, not now.

Marie
9/15/2011 02:04:32 pm

@IvyFree writes: “Can you explain to me what evidence exists that argues a premature birth? The only evidence I'm aware of is Sarah's statement. And Sarah's a known liar.”

Sarah is DEFINITELY a known liar. So we definitely agree on that point!

A baby is generally considered “premature” if it is born before 37 weeks gestation. While there is a lot of variation, premature babies are considered at higher risk because they tend to have smaller birth weights, immature lung development, etc. and often require additional medical intervention not available outside the hospital. Premature babies used to die all the time until we developed medical technology to keep them alive. For these reasons, my midwives would not attend out-of-hospital births if labor began before 37 weeks.

What is the evidence for prematurity? As @Up and @jk point out, we have several photos of a very fragile, very small Ruffles, whose condition is consistent with premature birth. We have deduced from a variety of sources that the baby was in fact born some time between late December and early February 2008, but was not presented to the public until April. We have anonymous 238 talking about a baby receiving a significant amount of hospitalization two months before Palin’s alleged delivery, which would be consistent with prematurity. Also, the babies photographed at MatSu and in Palin’s kitchen were very small in size, but did not appear to be newly born. So that would imply that the baby was born pre-term, earlier than April 2008, and had reached full-term weight and size by April or May.

Seems to me that there was much more evidence for prematurity than this---the prematurity scenario has been floating around the babygates blogs for years now. Perhaps someone else can fill in a few blanks.

But let’s say that the prematurity is indeed a red herring. We know without question that we are talking about a baby, possibly multiple babies, with special needs of some sort. Based on what we know from various sources, these special challenges might include any or all of the following: Down Syndrome, FAS, birth defects, heart defects, jaundice, hearing problems, and vision problems, plus perhaps a few I have forgotten. Did anon238 say something about possible cerebral palsy? We’re talking major health issues that could affect the baby’s ability to breathe, move, respond, and/or nurse, or that could be very obvious to even the casual observer.

So this isn’t a baby that looks healthy on the outside but develops problems later. This would be a baby that presents with problems from the very start. In a hospital, this would be the baby that is rushed away from the mother immediately after delivery. In an attended home birth situation, the midwife would recognize that there were problems and call 911 for a transfer. Even in an unattended home birth situation, most parents would recognize there was a problem (especially if the baby was not breathing properly or was not responsive) and call for help. Obviously there are some parents who would not call for help and would let the baby sink or swim on its own. However, it is unlikely that a baby with this many issues (full term or pre-term) would have lived long without medical attention, so I think we can leave that possibility alone.

(Incidentally, midwives don’t like surprises and tend to screen and assess their out-of-hospital clients pretty rigorously to make sure that both mother and baby are low risk. A midwife would likely have identified this baby as having problems weeks or months before the birth, and would have referred the parents to a high-risk OB/GYN with hospital privileges. So that also further reduces the possibility that this baby was born in a planned home birth. Add in the prematurity factor, and the likelihood is further reduced.)


V ictoria link
9/15/2011 02:11:24 pm

Why do people assume that Ruffles has died? Isn't it more likely that s/he was adopted out, possibly through SP's church (hence the fire to destroy records that anyone might thumb through).

Couldn't Ruffles be â borrowed baby - and the "puppy" that is referred to in SP's emails? And if the ears can't be operated on until the child is older - people are saying 5 to 7 - don't we need to look for a 3 year old child that has deformed ears, probably somewhere in AK? Obviously the child would have no idea what happened, but its parents might. And they would not be sworn to HIPAA.

I think TriG - the one we see now - looks v much like Sarah - especially the ears! (this is an ear issue) so I think he's related to her, presumably BP's. But he was too big to present as a newborn.

And maybe I should be posting this in the new thread, so I will copy and perhaps do so.

Cracklin Charlie
9/15/2011 02:29:49 pm

jk,

Sarah had to have known that the baby had DS when she announced her "pregnancy". Since she was not pregnant, the only way she could have known the child had DS is if he was already born. They do not perform amniocentesis on women who are not pregnant, and they do not normally perform this test on young mothers who are expecting their first child.

We know that she already knew, because she has said that on many occasions, and she actually wrote it in a letter that she composed before his "birthday".

The only way she could have known about Trig's DS is if he had already been born and diagnosed. He was not born on April 18, 2008.

Venefica
9/15/2011 02:35:18 pm

@FrostyAK and @Phyllis: Thank you both. I actually did look at the files Blade linked to previously, but couldn't find any entries for Trig Palin. I suspect I'm not doing something right (or my software isn't displaying the file(s) correctly).

...

Okay...back after trying again. Opening a file in TextPad resulted in a display of names through B. But opening it in NotePad showed me the entire list. I see Trig Palin there.

I wonder if the PF requires just an SSN and not a BC.

I also wouldn't put it past the Palin Mafia to engage in trickery.

molly malone
9/15/2011 03:54:08 pm

@ jk and Banyon

I'm still idling in neutral on the IVF theory because I'm not altogether sure there was a need for it. This is entirely due to my ignorance about the frequency of D.S. births, the number of D.S. babies who are welcomed by their loving bio parents, and how many D.S. babies are available for adoption each year compared to the number of people wishing to adopt a D.S. baby. In my admitted ignorance, I'm also hazarding a guess that among those D.S. babies given up by their mothers, some have disabilities too severe for them to be *adoptable*. So I find myself running up against my own question: How hard would it be for Sarah to procure a D.S. baby precisely when she needed one?

And yet, this is what she did.

Why did Bristol dis-enroll from the school she had been attending and disappear off the radar for an appropriate amount of time to make a teen pregnancy a distinct possibility? Could this have been a calculated fallback position should the fake pregnancy not work out? I have no idea. But if this was the case, then Sarah and Todd didn't think it up; they don't do long-range analysis.

@ Lilyfree

Under normal circumstances, I would agree with you. But if you were a teenager, and that babe you held in your arms was your ticket to the promised land of fame and fortune, methinks even the worst theatrical performer among us could beam love and devotion upon ones' ticket to the promised land.

Phyllis
9/15/2011 04:52:56 pm

@ Venefica
The PFD requires a birth certificate.

V ictoria link
9/15/2011 07:07:55 pm

IVF is complicated, expensive and uncertain - as well as requiring the employment of many additional people and possibly years of work.

Unless this was funded by Paxson or whoever I can't imagine going down this route - although given the Bailey quote from 2006 not completely impossible. But the high ranking republicans would have gotten to know SP much better and discovered her instabilities and abandoned her much earlier.

jk
9/15/2011 10:36:05 pm

@Victoria: actually I wasn't assuming that Ruffles had died as much as I was testing the hypothesis. Since we believe Ruffles must have had a b/c and a SS number, if he died he should be on the Social Security Death Index. There are some flaws with this test: not everyone who dies ends up on the index, and maybe Ruffles died somewhere other than Alaska. But my sleuthing did turn up at least one interesting name.
@Cracklin' Charlie, yes, I'm assuming Ruffles was born before 4/18/2008 -- I just considered births up to that date, because we know Ruffles was around then.
And, for the nth time, Ruffles appears in two photos in Bailey's book, so if he was borrowed it was at the least a long term loan, not a casual thing.
gtg

jk
9/16/2011 12:05:31 am

Molly, the IVF theory appeals to me because it answers a question that otherwise leaves me flummoxed: why and how did two babies appear with close birthdates, both with DS? (I am taking it as given that Ruffles and Trig are two different babies: I believe the photographs prove this.)
It is not hard to believe Bristol was pregnant, but if she unexpectedly or expectedly delivered a DS baby, why the need for Trig? If Ruffles turned up with FAS and/or so medically compromised that he was unlikely to survive infancy -- or so low-functioning to not be a useful prop -- how did they find a substitute so fast, and one who looks like he could be biologically related? I just can't make it make sense, but an IVF/snowflake theory does hold together.

rubbernecking
9/16/2011 01:35:55 am

@SLQ, thank you. Thank was very helpful.

@Banyan, I have no disagreement with you that the religious right played a major role in Palin's political career.

I know risk irritating people when I get too nitpicky but here is the actual quote from the New Yorker article:

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During her GUBERNATORIAL campaign, Bitney said, he began predicting to Palin that she would make the short list of Republican Vice-Presidential prospects. “She had the biography, I told her, to be a contender,” he recalled.
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The GUBERNATORIAL campaign began in Aug 2006. I also confirmed via the ADN that Bitney did not join Palin's team until *after* she won the Republican primary. Source: http://community.adn.com/adn/node/157304

The alleged "pregnant governor" conversation with Frank appears to have occurred during the PRIMARY campaign-- when she was a long shot candidate with a cash-strapped campaign.

Again, I agree that religious fundamentalists played an important role in her political career. I'm just asking we be careful when we link events.

The claim that Palin's pregnancy conversation coincided with Bitney and Brickley envisioning her as VP does not appear to be true.

Palin appears to have been very money-conscious during her campaigns and her time in office. The emails prove she wanted to put Trig on her state health insurance. I see no evidence of deep-pocket donors willing to pay for fertility treatments, surrogates, or neonatal medical care when she was nickel-and-diming the state for per diems and her kids' travel expenses.

jk
9/16/2011 01:53:05 am

@rubbernecking: yes, Palin was money-conscious (money-grubbing, more like), but I don't see how anything disproves the existence of deep-pocket donors. Clearly the donors would not have been thrilled to pay big medical bills -- maybe everyone was caught off guard, as Palinoia suggests, that bills weren't covered automatically. So Palin would have been expected to get Ruffles and/or Trig covered as soon as possible. Also too, donors who were willing to underwrite an expensive IVF scheme would not have been willing to write a blank check to underwrite all of Palin's grifting.

GhostbusterTX
9/16/2011 01:59:48 am

Victoria - to answer your question, no, Trig was never listed on the hospital website.

jk - interesting lead from the SS database. There is one Johnso residing in Juneau who pops up in a quick search. Is it possible for non-relatives to see a copy of a death cert.?

Marie
9/16/2011 02:03:52 am

I don't have personal first-hand experience with IVF, but my understanding is that it is extremely expensive---$10,000 to $18,000 per treatment, and it generally takes multiple treatments to get a successful outcome, if ever. (I know one woman who required 16 treatments to conceive a healthy child. Most would give up long before that point.) And that would not include the cost of retaining a willing surrogate. It's also very time consuming for all parties involved, so there would be a huge paper trail of appointments, money, lawyers, and specialists involved.

Also, most of the fertility clinics today are not using 40 year old eggs to do IVF. If a 40-something client comes to them and says she wants a baby, the first thing they will do is get her some donor eggs from a 20-something donor. This is because the 40-something eggs have such a high failure rate.

So IF Palin went to all this time and trouble and expense to make her own babies through IVF (which I don't believe for a minute), the babies would not have her DNA and would not resemble her or her biological family. But they might resemble Todd or his family (assuming she used Todd for the sperm).

rubbernecking
9/16/2011 02:17:15 am

@jk, I said "I see no evidence". I didn't say I disproved it.

Is it possible that someone could plan and achieve a successful IVF pregnancy without understanding the post-birth health insurance issues? Yes. Is it likely? Probably not.

I'm not saying don't talk about IVF. I'm saying I don't think anyone has provided compelling evidence for this theory.

Ivyfree
9/16/2011 02:42:53 am

"we have several photos of a very fragile, very small Ruffles, whose condition is consistent with premature birth. We have deduced from a variety of sources that the baby was in fact born some time between late December and early February 2008, but was not presented to the public until April. We have anonymous 238 talking about a baby receiving a significant amount of hospitalization two months before Palin’s alleged delivery,"

Please don't think I'm being argumentative. I personally think Ruffles was born prematurely- as you say, the pictures of him definitely appear that way. However, we have no proof that Ruffles is the Trig from the RNC, and in fact, I don't believe he is being the Trig now, as Trig does not appear to have malformed ears.

I'm just wondering what those "variety of sources" are, as we have no firm delivery date for either Ruffles or Trig and no birth announcement other than Sarah's press release. Prematurity also depends on gestational age- we only have the EDC given by Sarah when she announced her pregnancy in March of 08- that of May 18. And since she's changed the gestational age in her speech in Texas and, I believe, Alabama, as well as the location of his birth, we can't trust the EDC either.

We have nobody who is willing to go on the record saying that the child currently known as Trig was premature.
So far as I've been able to find out, all of that is based on Sarah's statement of prematurity, which I wouldn't give you two cents for.

My personal belief is that there was a lot of infighting between Sarah and Bristol when Sarah co-opted Bristol's baby, and for a while, Bristol was not cooperative about letting Sarah use her baby. The baby shown in the hospital picture, with Sally holding him and Chuckie with his arms pugnaciously folded showed no evidence that I could see of prematurity.

I wish I knew where Ruffles came from and what happened to him. Sarah is a dangerously disturbed woman who apparently will stop at very little.

But I don't believe that the Trig of the RNC, the Trig who's been hauled out and dragged around, is Ruffles. Trig looks like a Palin- in fact he resembles Sarah IMO. But I can't get past the ear deformity. That was a major malformation.

rubbernecking
9/16/2011 03:16:47 am

@Ivyfree, the CBJ letter is another source about Trig's prematurity. The letter said about Palin:

"She had four term deliveries in 1989, 1990, 1994, and 2000, and one pre-term delivery at 35 weeks gestation in 2008."

I acknowledge that the letter is not a perfect source. It was released at the 11th hour and neither CBJ nor Palin ever addressed the error about Piper's birth year.

Marie
9/16/2011 03:53:07 am

@IvyFree, I appreciate where you are coming from. And you're right--we can't PROVE prematurity at this point, although it would certainly account for a lot of loose ends and conflicting evidence.

The one thing we can all agree on is that Sarah Palin was NOT pregnant in 2008 and did NOT birth a baby in April 2008. Beyond that, it does get a little murkier. And the ear issue is just downright bizarre.

Has anyone ever done a photo analysis of all the various babies known as Trig from a developmental growth perspective? That could be interesting. While all babies are unique, babies do tend to go through certain milestones around the same time, especially during the first year. Of course, prematurity and/or developmental delays would mess up the results, but there might be some interesting discoveries. For instance, if the baby was supposed to be 6 months old but had the teeth of a much older baby. Or vice versa. Something to consider, anyway.

Hopefully someone in the Palin inner circle will talk....soon!


Cracklin Charlie
9/16/2011 04:40:44 am

rubbernecking,

Great comment!

Like you, I have no doubt that the Christian (mafia) is the primary reason that any of us even know this woman's name. I feel that these people are the reason she was selected as McCain's running mate. This is reason enough to be vigilant followers of politics.

But on the issue about the babies, I just see no way that these children were the result of IVF. I have no experience with this procedure, but I have heard stories of couples trying for years, and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to conceive, with no guarantee of success. This procedures require teams of specialists, geneticists, nurses, tests, and medications. I would not ever believe that someone would implant an embryo into a child Bristol's age.

We have been shown photographic evidence that Levi Johnston believes he is the father of two children. At the time of these photos Levi was the boyfriend of Bristol Palin, who, by her own admission was sexually promiscuous with Levi from a young age. I just today saw elsewhere a photo of a very young Bristol holding a very young Trig.

Every picture tells a story, don't it?

jk
9/16/2011 04:47:59 am

@Marie, yes, IVF is expensive, and by no means certain to succeed. We've wondered if the hinted-at earlier Bristol ("green sweater") pregnancy could have been an initial IVF attempt that didn't take, leading to a second attempt with a back-up in the wings. As for 40-yr old eggs, the reason they aren't used is to avoid DS and other problems -- and to get better viability. In this case the theory is that they were selecting for DS. If it wasn't easy to get a viable DS embryo, they could presumably keep trying. Maybe someone figured that using Palin's eggs would be their ace in the hole to prove the baby was hers.

@rubbernecking, I don't have a problem imagining a deep-pockets scheme that didn't fully consider the insurance issues...or the worst-case with huge bills for a fragile premie. Or maybe it was considered and the deep pockets were deep enough to cover them; obviously they would have still been eager to shed the costs as quickly as possible.

Last comment: yes, there is zero proof for any of this. I just continue to be impressed by how well the scenario that Banyan proposed hangs together -- unlike every other scenario I've heard, all of which have massive holes.

Banyan
9/16/2011 05:17:24 am

The problems with IVF are not quite so bad if a young healthy surrogate (or surrogates) is/are used for the actual gestation.

The (over-40-year-old) women I know who've had it done had no particular trouble getting the IVF part to work (though they did have only a few embryos without DS or other genetic problems.)

However having an over-40 mom gestate the pregnancy to term IS a big problem. That is why the IVF/surrogacy theory would require young women --perhaps many of them.

And apparently it is not difficult to select for DS babies with IVF among the "snowflake" embryos, although most people do the opposite.

This is, I realize, a far-fetched theory. But I want us to be able to think in terms of all contingencies. If Sarah were, at some point, somehow, to pass a DNA test proving she is the genetic mother of Trig(s) that does NOT necessarily mean she GAVE BIRTH to any such baby.

Palin's high political ambitions were fostered by her Dominionist Church very early on. This is, to me, the sort of obvious ploy (IVF-surrogacy-DS) that would appeal to these people, and would appeal to them very early on (well before 2006). I'm looking forward to reading McGinniss' book which will cover in greater depth, Sarah's religious backing.

But for any who doubt that the political implications of "snowflake babies" were not being actively discussed in early 2006, read the following satirical account:

http://momentofscience.blogspot.com/2006/07/elizabeth-dole-to-carry-snowflake-baby.html

Ottoline
9/16/2011 05:21:48 am

Banyan -- How about this as a variation upon your theory. All the fundies are preparing behind the scenes to promote SP as the VP candidate, complete with the idolizing Brickman blog. SP is thrilled and participates enthusiastically. Then -- oops! -- after all that work and wheels within wheels put into place, SP goes to her main secret mentor (whoever that may be) with a showstopper: "Oh, no: my 16 y.o. daughter is pregnant, and the circumstances were so unsavory, the bioDad is so unsuitable, that it will ruin all our plans." And the secret mentor thinks a little bit and says "Now wait a minute, little lady, let's think about this a minute. Maybe not. Maybe we can make a buck out of this anyway." And so the hoax is initiated. A baby was all they expected, perhaps. (Early, to be sure.) A DS baby (or whatever was the disability of the original baby) was not at all a disaster -- it was gold, as an even better prop (the original disability might have morphed into DS, or not. Either way works.) The deep pockets were there for the money and strategy, but all the machinations re multiple babies to maximize believability were there too. Incl the dopey doll whose head SP squeezes hard, like a tennis ball.

And that fits in with the styling help for the Gusty photo, no matter when it was taken. Someone else did a great job of analyzing them: I recall only suitable shoes (for a change), the better hair, no scarf, a higher-quality fake belly.

Hmmm?

rubbernecking
9/16/2011 05:24:17 am

@jk, I disagree. If the options are 1) teenager gives birth to a child with DS or 2) teenager is chosen as gestational surrogate for her DS sibling, I choose option 1.

The medical ethics of making a 16 year old girl the surrogate mother of her own brother is OUTRAGEOUS. Even if you could find a doctor so unethical and ruthless to participate in this scheme, there is no motive. A sixteen year-old is not a good candidate for surrogacy.

Banyan
9/16/2011 05:53:04 am

@ Ottoline

Yes, it sure could have happened like that, and is originally what I thought happened. (It has the virtue of being MUCH simpler, and perhaps the 2006 Bristol pregnancy was the one that ANON says was the one of her 4 pregnancies that miscarried. It could have been a false alarm that spawned a contingency plan between Sarah and her handlers.

What the IVF/surrogacy theory adds to this is that it could help explain why there seem to be various DS children that sort of look like Sarah being presented as Tri-G.

Banyan
9/16/2011 06:00:21 am

@rubbernecking

If the motive was political, or even just financial, and I believe it was both, there are all sorts of unethical doctors who might have helped out. They may not even have been US MDs.

I'm not at all sure that Bristol is even a part of the Trig surrogacies (or even that there were any such surrogacies), but I do know Sarah was doing her best, according to Frank Bailey, to call attention to Bristol at this time by heatedly declaring (quite unnecessarily, according to Bailey) that Bristol was not pregnant!

Sarah clearly wanted that rumor she started to get a lot of attention. I wonder why?

Marie
9/16/2011 06:01:49 am

I would agree with @rubbernecking 12:24. Given the promiscuity and impulsive behavior of so many of the players involved, it's far easier to imagine an unplanned teen pregancy and impulsive decisions on the grandparents' part, rather than imagine a gestational surrogate conspiracy.

As for fundamentalists being behind such a conspiracy....fundamentalists often are against procedures such as IVF because it involves (1) taking God out the plan and (2) may involve behavior perceived as immoral, such as masturbating to obtain sperm for the fertilization and/or creating embryos which will later be destroyed. I know a lot of fundamentalist Christian families (including some with Dominionist tendencies), and they tend to adopt rather than take the fertility treatment route. So it's very hard for me to imagine a conspiracy of this sort coming from fundamentalists.

Admittedly the fertility clinics are extremely unregulated and almost anything goes (a la Octomom). And some unscrupulous doctors will do anything for money (as seen with Michael Jackson). But I still have a lot of trouble imagining a doctor agreeing to deliberately implant an embryo which he knows will have birth defects, because of the risk of an astronomical malpractice suit afterwards if/when things didn't go according to plans, or if the parents realized after the birth that having a special needs baby was going to be more expensive/labor-intensive/anguish-inducing than they had expected.

It's good to consider all possible scenarios. But I wouldn't spend too much time on this one.

Banyan
9/16/2011 06:34:17 am

@ Marie

A huge number of Fundies support the whole snowflake baby IVF/surrogacy scenario that came in to prominence in the 2005-6 and was used by Bush-Rove as a public relations gimmick.

Do a Google Search using the terms "Snowflake Babies"and "2006" and see what a wealth of protestant Fundie support and adulation for the project you come up with. (only R-T-L Roman Catholics have the aversion to artificial reproductive techniques.)

Many Fundies also actively promote DS adoption. If Tri-G(s) were adopted by Palin, however unofficially, I'm sure she had no intention of actually caring for this child (or children) when she was off-camera. And from all we've seen, she doesn't.

Marie
9/16/2011 06:58:30 am

We're veering a little off topic here. While it's true that it's mainly the Roman Catholics who are opposed to artificial reproductive techniques, there also are many fundamentalist Christians who share their concerns either in part or in whole.
As for the snowflake surrogacy, that is a little different in that the infertile couple is taking in an embryo which has already been created, not actually creating a new one. So while the embryo may have been initially created through sinful activity (i.e. masturbation), the infertile couple is not committing sin by taking that embryo into their womb.
In any case, regardless of how much "support and adulation" may have been expressed for adopting snowflake babies, very few Fundamentalist couples are actually going through with it. The Nightlight Christian Adoptions group has been handling snowflakes since 1997, and has only handled about 270 or so snowflake adoptions to proclaim on their website. That's miniscule compared with the number of embryos that must be out there. This implies that either actual interest is low or that the viability of those embryos is low, or both. (Incidentally, while Nightlight makes a big deal about the embryo adoptions, it appears to be spending most of its time handling domestic and international adoptions.)

Can we get back to talking about insurance fraud? I think that's going to be the factor that breaks this case.

Banyan
9/16/2011 08:11:20 am

@ Marie

I agree about the insurance fraud factor.

But here's how the scenario we were discussing (deep pockets, Fundie, IVF, etc.) might affect the insurance discussion.

What if someone is paying cash for some or all of these expenses? How would that work? Could it work?

jk
9/16/2011 08:24:16 am

@rubbernecking, yes, completely outrageous! But that's another thing...a number of people who have seemed to be "in the know" have remarked that the truth is much darker and sadder than what anyone has guessed. Think about the scenarios that people have guessed: incest, Bristol pregnant by Keith Johnston, etc. Maybe the in the know people have been out to lunch, but I've always wondered, what on earth could be darker and sadder than these scenarios?
Next thought experiment: given everything we know about Palin, is it that hard to imagine her making a plea to her 16-yr old daughter to "save a baby" that would otherwise be destroyed? Is it that hard to imagine her going beyond a plea, into coercion?

Banyan
9/16/2011 08:37:48 am

@ jk

It would be a possible explanation for Bristol's "now she wants me to be a mother duck to that baby" statement.

It would also be a reason that Sarah was furious that Bristol may have gotten pregnant, instead, just at the wrong time by one of her boyfriends.

SunnyVee
9/16/2011 10:17:04 am

Wow. Just catching up on the snowflake baby ideas...which (yes) are way out there - but interesting.

Two quick reactions - in case they spark a connection somewhere.

1. I think it is Banyan who commented that IFV schemes would require a bunch of fertile young women. Upon reading that, I literally had the hair stand up on my arms re. Shailey Tripp and her accusations about Tawd trafficking in prostitutes.

2. Dont forget about Sarah's friend, Gina Louden (sp?). This is a supposedly super Fundie-type who adopted a son with DS who is just Trig's age and size. In fact, this was the hoopla in the Vanity Fair article in which the writer asked, 'are you Trig's nanny?' and she said, "no, I'm Samuel's mother."..and proceeded to hissyfit.

Just dont know where this fits in. If nothing else, I think it gave Sarah the idea to have a special needs baby. I wonder what was the state of Samuels' adoption in 2006, when she was asking Bailey about a Pregnant governor...

Lidia17
9/16/2011 10:17:13 am

Please stop with the 40-something intentional DS IVF nonsense.

Please stop.

The answer lies elsewhere.

rubbernecking
9/16/2011 10:29:29 am

@jk, I'm sorry but this theory is too far out for me. I do not believe Palin would ask her daughter to do this. And I can't envision anyone else wanting to supporting this scheme--with either money or medical skills.

I can't see myself accepting this theory without on-record medical witnesses. Anonymous comments would not convince me of this theory.

jk
9/16/2011 10:35:17 am

@rubbernecking, we're going around in circles at this point, but...I have NO problem believing that Bristol got knocked up and produced a DS baby. The arguments that it was unlikely at her age are specious, I know that.
The problem is how to explain the following in a way that makes sense:
1) Ruffles and Trig were two different babies, Ruffles born prematurely (not clear how much) before 4/18; Trig born around the same time, not significantly premature.
2) Ruffles was Bristol's baby (if we believe the insider anon sources); ergo, Trig was born to somebody else.
3) Palin schlepped Ruffles around until at least 6/'08, but the more photogenic and high-functioning Trig was on display from the RNC onward.

So, again, if Trig was brought in to replace Ruffles, how and why? Molly's question is a good one: could a DS baby have been "ordered up" on relatively short notice, if Ruffles appeared and the Palins realized he would not be a suitable prop? I don't know the answer to this. Maybe it's possible to get the word out through fundie channels that a "good home" (as if) is waiting for a DS baby, should a scared unmarried teen find herself confronted with one. But then the question is, did they just get that lucky, to find a DS baby who looks like he could be Palin's biological child? I don't see it. The snowflake theory is outrageous but explains everything with no gaping holes or need to appeal to amazing coincidences. I don't see another theory on the table that can make the same claim.

C
9/16/2011 10:39:05 am

jk
9/16/2011 10:45:26 am

Lidia17, I'd be delighted to stop exploring the hypothesis...the second somebody can present an alternative theory that doesn't have gaping holes or appeal to amazing coincidences!
PS. What Levi believes about all of this could well be completely irrelevant: the Palins surely would have made sure there was an "engineered truth" between the real truth and the hoax -- a harmless story to cop to, if/when the hoax started to unravel.

Banyan
9/16/2011 10:46:39 am

Although I tend to believe that Lidia is right -- the answer *probably* lies elsewhere--but I still wonder about the various Tri-Gs and their resemblances to Sarah.

And it is just too convenient and too mathematically improbable that the perfect political prop was delivered by Bristol at just the right moment without some medical interventions.

I would really like for Lidia to explain why she thinks the answer lies elsewhere. I'd like to think it lies elsewhere, too.

But for the weird and fraudulent ways IVF/surrogacy is currently being used, read this one:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/09/06/1013904/-Surrogacy-and-Baby-Selling-in-a-Globalizing-World:-Whats-Next?via=search

curiouser
9/16/2011 11:56:09 am

Conscious at Last - I was surprised when I saw today that John Bitney, Palin's first legislative director, was one of McGinniss' sources. I'll guess that most everyone here knows the strange and juicy Richter-Bitney story so won't go into it other than Bitney was fired on July 3, 2007, but Deborah kept her job as Director, Permanent Fund Division. I don't know when they got married.

I left this comment/question here on Weds. at 12:30
We do know that Trig is on the Permanent Fund rolls which also requires a birth certificate. The PF application period is Jan 1 - March 31. Did they have a BC by March 31, 2009 or did friend and head of the PF Division, Deborah Bitney (formerly Richter) not care whether Trig's application was complete?

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I imagine Debbie was the one who would have processed Trig's PFD application. I can't wait to read McGinniss' book and find out what John and/or Deborah divulged to Joe but expect she could clear up the BC issue if motivated, unless it put her in an incriminating postion. 'The Rogue' Chapter 19 may tell us whether she is one of those who went on the record as firmly believing Sarah was pregnant with Trig.

She may be willing to talk 'off the record'.

Ottoline
9/16/2011 12:17:29 pm

What was the date of Bristol's "mother duck" statement?

lazrgrl link
9/16/2011 12:54:23 pm

Besides thinking this IVF hypothesis is a little tin-hattish, I think the need for it is also not especially compelling. That a child in a photo "resembles" someone is pretty subjective. Since I was a young'n I've been told I could be Liza Minelli's twin, my grandmother's double, the spitting image of "someone I used to know back in NY- are you from there?". And these are in-person encounters, not observations of photos that may have poor lighting or resolution. There are probably a lot of infants/babies that resemble Sarah Palin. That doesn't mean they carry her DNA.

Banyan
9/16/2011 01:09:40 pm

@laxrgrl

"resembles," I agree, is not enough.

However, the DS baby in question had a very strange ear formation (I'm not talking about Ruffles here) that is identical to Sarah's unusual ear formation. If the baby were Bristol's, though, that might account for it.

Marie
9/16/2011 01:10:06 pm

How do we "know" that the various Trigs look just like Sarah? And are these reported similarities really due to a genetic connection, or are they merely coincidental? Is this based on hard analysis, casual glances, or wishful thinking?

My kids take after my husband's side of the family in hair color, skin color, and body build (daughter looks like his mom, son looks like his dad). Over the years, I've had people tell me they looked just like me (which is a little hard to believe), AND I've had people who hadn't met my husband ask me whether the kids were adopted, because they DON'T look like me.

Meanwhile, we used to know a couple whose kids looked so much like my kids that we actually successfully passed ourselves off as their cousins at a "family only" school function one time. (Long story.) The physical resemblances were uncanny. But we were not genetically connected to this family in any way, shape, or form.

Even physical movements can be deceiving. My father used to admire a pair of brother-sister Olympic figure skaters who moved perfectly in unison in competition. He was convinced that their identical movements and exceptional athleticism reflected a strong family biological trait. Turned out they were adopted with different biological parents, and the unison reflected years of training together.

Experiences like these have made me somewhat suspicious when people claim they can tell just by a quick glance that a child is or is not biologically related to his or her parents. This doesn't mean that today's Trig isn't biologically related to the Palins, but we need just a little more evidence before making that conclusion.

Ottoline
9/16/2011 01:10:36 pm

lazrgirl: What a relief to have someone else say "lay off the 'he looks just like her' talk. "

I know a number of families with adopted children. It's amazing how much like they look like their parents! (Their adoptive parents.)

Think of all those "people look just like their pets" photos.

Apart from the foregoing point, there is zip zero nada proof in this line of thinking. Nothing wrong with pointing out an observation, but its value to us is zero. (even if true -- that the resemblance is genetics-based -- so what? we still need proof.)

As someone who has done IVF, I find it almost impossible to think this direction has any relevance. Besides, where is even the first tiny clue (except our imaginations) to lead us in that direction?

Ottoline
9/16/2011 01:26:26 pm

If Ruffles was the "real" baby, born to Bristol, then Ruffles would have a bc and insurance. But not a bc that can be shown: wrong date, wrong birth Mom, wrong Dad. When Ruffles didn't work out (for whatever reason after his/her brief appearances (Palin kitchen; baby shower; Levi+Keith?), I'd think there would be no problem finding a replacement baby if one were solidly connected in the anti-choice fundie movement. IMO it would take only a few phone calls by the right person (like a CBJ or Gina Louden, although I'm not suggesting either one) to find a replacement baby (puppy?). But without a bc that matches the story. With adoption records in the church office file cab that was arsoned.

Private-pay for RNC-Trig's med bills? why not, for Queen Esther. Unless some old pal was able to sneak Trig by w/o the bc. And now would prefer, like SP, that all that should remain in the forgotten past.

Cracklin Charlie
9/16/2011 01:27:17 pm

In a way, the babies do carry Sarah's DNA, since they are her grandchildren. She is undoubtedly Bristol's mother.

Does anyone know the source of the assertion that the story is sadder and darker than anyone has guessed? I wonder if this could refer to the information that Palinoia outlined so well in this post. That people may have committed crimes to help Sarah with this hoax.

Could we please not refer to Bristol as being "knocked up"? I feel that this a very crude way to describe this situation that many young women face every day.

jk
9/16/2011 01:29:01 pm

Nobody is claiming anything is proven. It's all about hypothesis testing. I personally keep coming back to certain bothersome questions:
1) Was it purely a coincidence that Palin was asking winky questions about a pregnant governor back in 2006?
2) We all agree that a DS baby was the perfect prop for Palin -- was it purely a coincidence that her teenage daughter produced one?
3) We mostly agree that Ruffles was replaced with Trig between 6/08 and the RNC; was it purely a coincidence that Trig was available? And the babies resemble each other? (And, yes, Palin?)
4) Is Trig PAXSON purely a coincidence?
5) Have people been talking out of their hats when they say the truth is sadder and darker than people imagine? (What could be sadder and darker than what people have imagined out loud on the blogs?)

I'm not emotionally invested in the snowflake baby theory; I'd be a happy camper if someone could explain the elusive truth that lies elsewhere.

FrostyAK
9/16/2011 01:40:53 pm

The 'looks just like' comments are due to an ear anomaly that both $P and the RNC Trig have. According to one doctor, on this blog I believe, it is not a common anomaly. It might occur if the RNC Trig is Bristol's baby, but would be unlikely in a non related child.

Hence the 'snowflake' theory. One I think is a chance in a billion, but will be willing to eat my words (and a bunch of disgusting stuff along with them) if it is so proven.

curiouser
9/16/2011 01:59:09 pm

Cracklin Charlie - About the truth being dark and ugly, as I recall: This came up early on and always in the context that we shouldn't be talking about the possible fake pregnancy because the truth was worse then could be imagined, someone was going to get hurt, and we'd be sorry.

It's also possible Gryphen wrote that he heard the truth was pretty gnarly...but I'm not sure.

Marie
9/16/2011 02:02:54 pm

Have we eliminated the possibility that RUFFLES was a temporary prop and the baby now known as Trig was actually the baby born prior to April 2008 and later revealed to the public?

In this scenario, little Trig was born in late January/early February 2008 with medical problems. Sarah plans to "birth" him in May, but a prop baby (Ruffles) becomes available for show appearances earlier, which means that Sarah can cut her pregnancy faking stunt a little earlier and show off her prop baby earlier too. Perhaps Trig is not supposed to be taken out in public for medical reasons. She takes Ruffles to a few public events, cautioning people to be careful about displaying his ears (although a few photos slip through anyway). After May/June, she stops using Ruffles and goes out with Trig instead. Most people don't catch on because of the strong similarities among newborns.

Outlandish? Sure. But a little less outlandish than some of the stuff we've been discussing. :-) And it might make more sense in the overall narrative (e.g. Bristol and Levi's behavior at the RNC, Trig's beautifully formed ear at the RNC, etc.)

Ottoline
9/16/2011 02:18:36 pm

I too seem to recall Gryphen saying "sad and dark."

I bet a well connected high-up fundie anti-choice administrator could find a DS baby for the right person in 10 minutes.

V ictoria link
9/16/2011 02:29:26 pm

Marie - thank you. That is the sequence which I have been promoting.

(I think the IVF scenario is nonsense. It is a messy, painful, expensive and time-consuming procedure - I can't see Sarah having the discipline to go through this.)

And as Ruffles was borrowed, and would be between 3 & 4 now -- too young for surgery - there could be a child out there with those ears!

Palinoia
9/16/2011 02:39:22 pm

I'm pretty firmly in the no IVF camp. Faking a pregnancy is pretty far out there, and IVF just puts it way out in left field for me personally.....actually way out of the ballpark.

I understand everyone having extreme difficulty (myself included) over the two different babies. What happened here? I'd lean more towards twins to Bristol (prematurity is pretty common) than IVF or surrogacy, but we still don't know where Ruffles went. If she did have twins, with one failing to thrive for assorted medical reasons, and the other doing relatively well, that would explain the presentation of the "sicklier" one who more obviously looked premature. And given the size Ruffles was in April, if there was a Feb birth, he would have been a whole lot tinier at birth.

That could still account for an adoption of the Trig we know now, but still can't show the BC due to birth date. So, if they were Twins, was Ruffles put up for adoption? Was Bristol & Levi's arm twisted? Did Ruffles have an imminent fatal birth defect? Who knows.......it still makes my head hurt. Every last little bit of it, except to say Sarah Palin did NOT give birth to a baby in 2008. That much I have no problem stating.

Lidia17
9/16/2011 11:10:39 pm

Whew! GREAT work, Palinoia, on the insurance front. No doubt there have been "issues" for the Palins in this regard. If we only had all the e-mails, or even just Frank Bailey's portion…

As to which is the "real" baby: that is a tough one. I tend to think Ruffles was "real" just because of the "Triggy Bear" photos taken by Mercede. There Bristol looks flushed and happy, and Levi looks fatherly. While those two did also behave nurturingly with RNC Trig, he was also passed around like a sack of potatoes quite a bit (probably drugged).

I was initially intrigued by an idea raised several months ago here, one of there having been twins born, of two different sizes and states of health. But that doesn't answer the burning question of what ultimately happened to Ruffles.

jk
9/17/2011 12:05:38 am

For a long time I thought RNC Trig, first seen as blue-sweater-airplane baby, was the one born to Bristol, and Ruffles was a stand-in. What Mercede said about him is irrelevant, I think: she might have known bits of the truth but I seriously doubt she knows all of it. But two things made me rethink the scenario: anon238 said that the baby born to Bristol had a significant ear deformity, and Bailey's book shows that Ruffles was around until at least June, which means if he was borrowed it wasn't a casual loan for a few hours/days. Twins is an interesting idea, and would explain somethings, but neither of the Deep Throat anons (432/238) gave any hint of that. If one or both of them were tossing out false clues to throw us all off the scent, that changes everything -- possible, but I guess I don't believe our troll friends are capable of being that clever/subtle.

Marie
9/17/2011 12:22:33 am

Twins would explain a few things, but also would raise some other questions.

Twin pregnancies would be harder to conceal than singleton pregnancies. Every twin mom I've met ballooned up far more in her pregnancy than moms who were carrying one child.

After the birth, twins would be twice as hard to conceal from the public as a single baby. There would be twice as many opportunities for a slip-up, potentially twice as many people involved in the cover-up, etc.

And as jk points out, our Deep Throat sources have not brought up twins, which is telling in and of itself.

Obviously twins are a classic form of deception--just ask Shakespeare. But I don't think the Palins read much classical literature.

Laura Novak
9/17/2011 12:27:49 am

You all continue to amaze me with your intelligence and diligence at digging in to think this through. Theories are welcome, any of 'em, all of 'em. I might not agree with all of them either, but this is how great minds think alike by sifting through the possibilities.

Please feel free to keep discussing this topic here. Palinoia is working on Part II which I can't wait for!

And under the Book Thread above, let's begin talking about Joe's revelations. I've put up my first thoughts about it. Use it as an Open Thread there by all means.

Thank you all. And welcome all new commenters to the fold!!

Cracklin Charlie
9/17/2011 04:07:59 am

Just wanted to answer a couple of points:

Sarah Palin does not believe in coincidences. She knows that things happen for a reason.

What if Sarah asked Frank about the pregnant governor in LATE 2006? I think that Bristol became pregnant about the time Sarah was elected governor, say about Oct-Dec 2006, with Trig (at that time, Tripp) being born in late summer or early fall 2007. Bristol, Sarah, and present day Trig have the same ears. And I think Bailey fudged the truth throughout his book.

I don't think Sarah needed a political prop. She had plenty of pro-life credibility. If the fundies were already promoting her as vp choice before she announced her "pregnancy", she must have already had everything they wanted.

I think Ruffles (once Trig, now Tripp), merely posed as Trig because he could pass as a newborn. Trig was already too big. I don't think Ruffles was replaced, just used as a photo-op, and then hidden away until his "birth", as Tripp, in December.

And of course Trig Paxon is not a coincidence, Paxon secured Sarah's place on the McCain ticket. He may have helped Sarah plan the baby hoax. Trig's name is a thank you note to Paxon.

The dark, sad side of this for me is the way people have done such awful (maybe even criminal) things to keep Sarah out of trouble. Or even maybe the way Sarah has neglected her own children, and used ALL of them as human shields to deflect criticism of her. That dark and sad statement could mean just about anything that has to do with Sarah Palin.

Sorry, Laura, I promise I will go to the new thread as soon as I get back from the grocery. And, yeah, we're waiting patiently for Palinoia's Part II. I hope it's as good as this one, although I don't know how she could improve on Part I.

everspring
9/17/2011 04:21:03 am

TWINS - the initial comments probably came from me.

1. Two babies (twins Trig and Tripp) born prematurely – who ultimately needed hospital care for a period of time.
2. Initial intent was to protect Bristol all along (thereby protecting Sarah’s image) and give the babies up for adoption and proceed with life as usual.
3. Palins wanted to continue protecting Bristol and the father, but giving the babies up for adoption was no longer an option. Reasons for this: 1) Trig had DS; 2) maybe Bristol changed her mind; 3) political motivation may have come later based on #1 and #2.
4. SP fakes pregnancy. Trig is born. Substitution of babies begins to occur due to illness or convenience, but only one baby is seen at a time.
5. Bristol keeps Tripp under wraps until she is older in age and it is not such an embarrassment to all.
6. None of this really matters and pretty much stays well under the radar easily UNTIL Sarah becomes the VP nominee.
7. Now the baby scrutiny begins. To avoid discovery of the hoax and getting kicked off the ticket, SP dangles a carrot which is Bristol’s pregnancy which is fake. Bristol wears SP’s empathy belly (hey, it worked for Sarah).
8. This works well for Bristol because she ultimately has to present twin Tripp to the public and it now works for Sarah (no way could child be Bristol’s if she is now pregnant – hah, take that you PJ bloggers).
9. Twins explains the “second baby arm” in the picture of Levi reportedly holding Trig in May 2008.
10. Twins explains two different babies posing as Trig.
11. So, now Bristol supposedly gives birth to Tripp end of Dec. 2008.
12. No birth pictures whatsoever of either of the babies and families – is this normal?.
13. No birth announcements of either of the babies – why not?
14. No consistency in the birth stories – easy to forget the facts when they are made up.
15. Inaccurate information of the births of Trig and Tripp.
16. NOT ONE picture of Tripp as a baby – why not? This is not in keeping with the Palins who want attention at all costs. Think of all the ooh and aaahh points they missed, not to mention, the money they would have made featuring the new tiny baby on the cover of a magazine. Why not – because Tripp is already about 9 months old and they have to figure out when they can present him to the public where the size discrepancy won’t be such an issue.
17. Being twins who were premature, the growth rate for first year and ½ would not have been the same as a typical baby.
18. So whenever Tripp would get trotted out he’d likely have been smaller in size than a normal baby and could’ve passed for a younger age.
19. There is a video of Bristol, Tripp, and Todd with Matt Lauer. Tripp is supposedly 4 months old in this video but looks huge – could he perhaps be 1 year old? Hard to tell as he is out cold and laying down the whole time. But his body looks large draped across her knees. And Bristol holds his hand the entire time – why – does the size of his hand give his age away?
20. At some point, Tripp does appear to be quite big for his age – why because he is now growing normally and the preemie size is no longer a factor.
21. Why does Tripp have a pacifier in his mouth? Maybe he speaks like his real age and not the age they pretend he is. Same with keeping him in a stroller.
22. The claims by Sadie that Bristol and Levi “wanted” to have a baby make NO sense – give me a break - what teens want a baby (and remember Levi’s myspace comments).
23. Levi’s claim that SP was mad at her mom and wanted her own baby make even less sense, but fits the narrative they set forth of Bristol getting pregnant, then giving birth to Tripp. Now Sarah has cover for Trig and Bristol has cover for Tripp.
24. Can’t explain the ear abnormality - perhaps Tripp had the deformity and it was fixed at some point.

I know this doesn’t wash with many (maybe none) of you and creates now a set of different questions. But are the questions really that much different than we are now asking – ear? substitute baby?, etc.

Banyan
9/17/2011 05:52:14 am

@ Cracklin Charlie

Who said:
" I don't think Sarah needed a political prop. She had plenty of pro-life credibility. If the fundies were already promoting her as vp choice before she announced her "pregnancy", she must have already had everything they wanted."
***

No, she didn't have everything the Fundies wanted! Many in Alaska knew about Sarah's lurid past, her unplanned conceptions, and her "white-outs."

She also had a less than stellar record on Right-to-Life issues (Do a Google search of Sarah Palin and Right to Life -- read several pages and you will see.)

Sarah needed that extra something that would consolidate her appeal with the base. Tri-G (which was plotted well in advance with the Fundies) provided that appeal.

Republican pundits came out immediately after Sarah's VP nomination with the(well-rehearsed, I suspect) talking point that Tri-G was the most important reason to vote for Palin, the single most important fact of Palin's life. This was MAJOR for them.

Sarah had previously lost an election when she was out-"right-to-lifed" by her opponent so she and her handlers had to make certain this didn't happen again.

Banyan
9/17/2011 06:32:31 am

@ Cracklin Charlie

Check out this link which shows the Right-to-Life endorsement went against Palin and to Loren Lemen in the Lt. Gov. race in 2002

http://www.adn.com/2008/09/07/v-printer/518512/abortion-opponents-give-palin.html

jk
9/17/2011 08:22:13 am

The snowflake/IVF scenario is, again, outlandish, but I haven't seen any actual evidence to disprove it. Maybe the truth is elsewhere, I'm quite willing to grant that. But for my part I really wish people would stop muddying the waters with other theories that are flat-out contradicted by photographic evidence.
Re: Tripp, it is true that we saw no photos of him as a newborn, which calls into question his precise birth date. But we SAW him through his infancy: on the cover of People in June '09 (that is NO 18-month old!), in In Touch Weekly in Jan 2010 (around 1 year, NOT a 2-yr old). So Trig + Tripp = twins, or Tripp born prior to 4/08 simply does not work.

MicMac
9/17/2011 09:03:49 am

To Marie (Fri Sept 16) - yes I have raised the developmental/size issue based on a number of photographs of Trig.

DS babies are lower birthweight, gain at a lower percentile weight and walk/stand alone much later than "regular" kids. I raised this in one of Laura's earlier columns as I discovered Trig apparently standing alone and walking unaided during the Dec 2009 Hawaii trip photographs. Also another in the Palin kitchen - all of them during an age (well under two years, if you take the April/May birthdates seriously) for Trig where he wouldn't be expected to achieve these things, according to the DS "norm." To be doing what he was doing in Hawaii, one would expect him to be born (not prematurely even) in Jan 2008 and at a stretch, Feb.Perhaps some other DS parents or pediatricians can ring in here. . .

Marie
9/17/2011 09:21:25 am

@MicMac, take a look at this developmental chart for Down Syndrome baby milestones and see how this fits what you have seen in the photos: http://www.down-syndrome.org/information/development/early/?page=7#milestones

Based on this chart, Down Syndrome kids do indeed reach their developmental milestones later, but there is quite a bit of individual variation (as with "normal" babies!). In this chart, anywhere from 13-48 months is "normal" for Down Syndrome babies to walk independently, with 23 months as the average.

You didn't see any photos of Trig climbing stairs, did you? Looks like that particular skill is a real challenge for DS kids.

Banyan
9/17/2011 09:38:44 am

@ jk

My preemie (no DS, but "mild" CP) walked -- and not well -- at 18 months corrected for prematurity. I'm surprised too that Tri-G was walking so soon. but what is really unbelievable to me is that the RNC Tri-G was born prematurely in any degree -- especially in April, 2008.

BTW, our full term child walked fluently by 9-10 months.

Sandia Blanca
9/17/2011 12:27:11 pm

New post up from "meagain"--in the usual thread at IM!

Viola-Alex
9/17/2011 02:12:46 pm

@Banyon and others here.

Consider writing a post for Laura. Your long comment about Sarah NEEDING to correct her image in AK is compelling. Also the comments about Trig's walking and size are fascinating.

These are ideas you can document-- and really deserve more coverage,imo. The feedback would be revealing as well.

If not, thanks for sharing all this here.



Up
9/18/2011 12:05:44 am

i'm with Marie. RNC Trig with the double bridge ears (like Sarah) is the real Trig. Ruffles was a stand in.

Not every baby given for adoption goes straight from hospital to adoptive parents. My family used to foster newborns waiting to go to their adoptive families. With Sarah's church and govt connections, she could have gotten one of those infants born in the week or so before the planned 5/18 "unveiling.". Keep that baby for a couple of weeks, then swap that child for the real Trig.

Up
9/18/2011 12:20:05 am

Fwiw, there is no reason the unveiling had to be after the NGA meeting. She spent so little time in Juneau that she could have had him after a few days at home.

jk
9/18/2011 05:05:09 am

I went back to the IM post where anon238 posts, to see what had been said about ear deformities. I had misremembered: anon432 was the person who said that the "original Trig" was born prematurely, with a significant ear deformity -- which, if true, means that Ruffles was the original Trig, presumably born to Bristol. anon238 does not have any info on this, or the 1- vs 2-baby theories, saying only that Bristol and Palin both get twitterpated when the subject is mentioned. I had been hoping that anon238 might be able to shed more light on all of this, since there is hope of engaging him/her in conversation. Unfortunately, anon432 is the one we would need to talk to, and I don't believe she's been seen since her initial post. Bother.

Phyllis
9/18/2011 05:23:13 am

@ Up
You must be thinking about 2007 when the legislature was passing out the Where's Sarah buttons because she was spending so little time in Juneau during the session.

In 2008 according to her calendar she spent the most of her time in Juneau during the legislative session which ran from Jan.15 to Apr.13.

Up
9/18/2011 11:29:26 am

Yes, I was thinking about the 07 Where's Sarah kerfluffle.

But the 5/18 announced due date would give hervapprox 6 weeks to come up with a newborn and "give birth." That 6 weeks started in mid-April, when the legislature ended its session. (this assumes a baby 4 weeks premature is healthy enough to go home from the hospital, and no doc would allow a woman to go more than 2 weeks past due date.)

MO Inkslinger
9/18/2011 02:28:16 pm

Great job of researching the insurance, Palinoia. On many of these blogs I have asked the question of possible insurance fraud in the case of Trig. I have always believed the Palin pregnancy was a hoax and I have wondered if the hasty resignation was because someone had determined she had committed insurance fraud. Another reason,Sarah might not want to show her income tax returns which might show high medical expenses for a Trig. One other question, it is rumored that Trig is being cared for by other people. If Sarah is sole support for him since Bristol has moved out of the house, can she keep medical insurance on him while he is not living under her roof?

MO Inikslinger
9/18/2011 03:31:30 pm

All it takes is for one airline reservation clerk to ask Sarah for Trig's birth certificate to verify his age and for ID.

MicMac
9/18/2011 10:07:15 pm

@Marie:

Yes, I did compare the Dec 2009 photos to DS/regular kids growth and developmental charts. That's why I raised the question. Although it is true that there is variation - and some DS kids are less affected skeletally as compared to others - given the doubts regarding Trig's true age, I feel these photos are compelling.

I sent them in to Laura some time ago; if I can dig them up, I will resend. They are the Dec 2009 Hawaiian vacation photos, another of Trig and Tripp standing together in a vestibule - and the more recent photo of the two boys with their arms around each other is also significant, as both at that point are more or less the same height and weight, yet they are (even if you take the April/May birth/due dates seriously)nearly a year apart in age.

Another illustration of just how challenged DS kids are regarding height and weight gain in comparison. I also think Trig looks awfully big in the Sept/Oct campaign photos for a DS baby born in April, due in May. He's really only about 4 months old at that point, but looks more like 6-9 months and even that's a stretch.

MicMac

Marie
9/19/2011 01:41:43 am

@MicMac, I'm looking forward to seeing your photos and your interpretations.

Some investigators over the years have created albums, videos, or displays showing Palin "pregnancy" photos in contrast with photos of other women in various stages of pregnancy. It might be helpful to create something similar comparing these babies against other DS babies, if at all possible. Perhaps some other people here can provide you with additional photos.

The challenge here is going to be demonstrating that Trig's unusual growth patterns prove that he was born earlier, as opposed to mere physical/developmental variation. While pregnancy follows a near identical process for all mothers, there is far more individual variation among babies and toddlers. That's why I was thinking about developmental milestones like number of teeth rather than height.

Good luck with this exciting project!

jk
9/19/2011 05:10:21 am

MO Inikslinger: TSA does not require government-issued ID for children. A b/c would be needed for Trig, or Tripp for that matter, to get a passport. There was an account, I think from anon238, of Palin in a tizzy over an upcoming trip to Canada. But it sounds like Trig is permanently parked with paid caregivers, so presumably he isn't flying internationally, or anywhere else, any time soon.

MicMac
9/19/2011 09:16:51 am

Marie, time is an issue for me lately, that's why I don't post so much (but read every day and especially appreciate Palinoia's hard work. . .I am a former benefits administrator and she is on to something, I hanker. I doubt Palin committed fraud, without the help of "friends in high places" but I do think she got her panties in a twist, insurance coverage wise, after Trig was born) Meanwhile, anyone who has the notion to search out older pics of Trig before I get to it. . .

Lori
9/19/2011 11:18:04 am

Brad Scharlott
Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:59:28
Palinoia: If both Ruffles and Normal-ear Trig had/have Down Syndrome, then I suspect that neither was born to Bristol. The odds against a girl Bristol's age have a DS baby are more than 1,000 – and what a coincidence that would be, considering a DS is exactly what Sarah and McCain's ticket needed to give them the best chance to win.

So if both Trig's had/have DS, then most likely neither was Bristol's baby.

***************************************

Brad,

This goes back to my theory about Trig being born to one of Todd's relatives who already had at least one Down syndrome child (as shown on Sarah's "reality" show). (Although I am tending to believe Bristol is the actual birth mom.)

Carol link
10/7/2011 01:37:59 pm

You people are the sickest people I have ever come across. There is a place in hell for people like you. You need to get a life. Why don't you look into what Obama is doing.You are very evil. Who raise you. To think like you think you had to have being screwed up as a child. I really feel sorry for your kids.

Shelly Stone
10/15/2011 04:15:16 am

I have a question.

I have always said, follow how Trig's birth was paid for and you will know who is mom is.

If Sarah filed her own insurance to cover the birth of Trig and it was found out that Trig was not hers, that would be insurance fraud. yes?

I am talking about who paid for the actual delivery. If ANY insurance or third party payer paid for the DELIVERY charges for that baby with Sarah as the mom, it would be fraud if it was ever found out Trig was not hers.

So, the only way Trig could have been paid for LEGALLY without naming Bristol as the mother and using her insurance coverage would be for the delivery to be paid with CASH.

Sarah is a vindictive, evil person. She has managed to do some dirty deeds and stay out of jail. So, I think she would know NOT to file any insurance for the delivery.

So, if little Trig's delivery was paid for with cash, then it is a slam dunk that Sarah is not his mother. Because his birth would have been like triple insured based on what you have uncovered.

Also, I think this is why she took no maternity leave. If she had requested maternity leave and it was later found out that she did not give birth to Trig, then she would have committed fraud against the state.

It is the only time she didn't want to 'spend time with her family'. She left the governorship because of her family. She couldn't take a day off to spend with her DS child with health problems???

Something stinks. Find out HOW Trig's delivery was paid for and you find the truth.

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Analytical Method Validation link
11/7/2012 02:17:52 pm

Some of the points are quite detailed and can be understood well only by an expert. However, I could grasp most of the write-up and some of the assumptions are really intelligible.


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