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Why I Don’t Want Sarah Palin to Disappear - A Guest Post By Viola-Alex

8/30/2011

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You’ll have to bear with me here.  I’m not a journalist or a political pundit. I’m not even all that smart.  I’m an older woman who’s fought her way through some rough times, and my survival has made me feel, well, a little wiser than most people.

I never wanted to face what my father did to me and my siblings. I figured what was past, was past.  We’d survived.  So be it.  But I was chronically depressed, had tried a range of psychotropic drugs, and consulted eight different therapists from Freudian to Feminist, to no avail.  Why was I suicidal?   Did I find it easier to hate than love?  Want to murder my children?   Why did making love make me cry?

Out of desperation, I went to see a reclusive shaman, on my sister’s recommendation.  He told me that I never would be free of my father’s tyranny unless I relived my childhood from beginning to end and experienced the full range of emotions that had been forbidden me.

This way is not fast or easy.  Through hypnosis, I suffered and felt every humiliating and violent act you can imagine, and some you cannot. Let’s just say that my childhood was not unlike a German concentration camp except that my father was a John Birch Society pedophile.  At the end of two year’s work, I confronted complicit family members, who accused me of “breaking” the family and soiling my father’s memory.  I even discovered more women my father had hurt.

Yet I began to feel different.  Better.  Gradually, my past passed.  Change came, and the richness of new life astonished me.

My shaman would say that our country is sick for the same reason I was.  He also would say that, as a woman, I am called upon to relate my own experience (the micro) to larger experiences in my community and country (the macro).

So, what does this have to do with Sarah Palin?  Plenty.  If she crawls away and disappears, as many Americans hope, then how do we tally the damage?  If Palin gets off, then so does John McCain and the others who forced her on us.  If Palin gets away, a somnalent populace can forget how they jumped on the you-betcha bandwagon or chose to keep quiet. 

Because truly moving on requires the kind of emotional line-item accounting most Americans aren’t too keen on.

I believe that racism is a festering sore at the core of our national consciousness because the U.S. never made apology or reparation to African Americans.  It’s possible that because the North raped the defeated South, today we have the Tea Party whites.  (Consider how Germany was treated after WWII and compare the difference in recovery and attitude.) Did our quiet acceptance of Bush’s eight years mean that Obama can’t move us forward?  What price are we paying because Joe McCarthy never was censured officially?  And don’t get me started on Vietnam.

This time I’m not budging until the secrets are out.  Every sad, disgusting little thing.  I believe that the only way to move forward, free of  the Bachmanns and Perrys,  Boehners and Roves,  is to tar and feather Sarah Palin--the way I had to be willing to take down my own beloved but very dangerous father. 

No mercy.  No quarter given.  No gentle good night on Xanax. 

Hear that, Sarah?


217 Comments
Rationalist
8/30/2011 02:39:16 am

Wow, V-A, that was an unexpected heart-wrenching, brave post. Thank you for it.

I agree. Letting her just fade away without looking hard at what she is is a little like transferring a pedophile priest to another parish. Nothing has really been dealt with, and we are just as vulnerable to the next sick would-be leader that comes along.

I assume many of you have read People of the Lie by M. Scott Peck. It's worth taking another look at it. Palin is a classic example, but there are so many out there right now.

Exposing Sarah would go a long way to discrediting the rest of her ilk, I feel.

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Palintologist
8/30/2011 02:45:14 am

Viola-Alex,
Thank you for your insight and sharing what must have been a horrible experience growing up. Your comment "(Consider how Germany was treated after WWII and compare the difference in recovery and attitude.)" makes me think that the Tea Party is reacting like Germany did after WWI. We all know where that lead. Frightening to say the least.

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lilly lily
8/30/2011 03:03:15 am

I am on the other hand happy to see 90% of Republicans don't want her. THAT is very encouraging. THAT is what I want.

Booting this person out of Politics is my goal, and a year from today she will be featured in People magazine as "Whatever happened to Sarah Palin?" And people will say "Sarah Palin?" think a moment and say "Oh that crazy woman who hoaxed the Republican party."

The sooner this happens the better.

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mistah charley, ph.d.
8/30/2011 03:15:03 am

Wow - truth and reconciliation on the personal level, and the national and historical level.

I think you're right, that America, the United States of, has a sin-sick soul - not only from the crimes of slavery, and the Civil War, and perhaps of the post-Civil War Reconstruction (although I wonder how much harm the Reconstruction did, compared to the harm done by the ENDING of the Reconstruction), but also the founding genocide so clearly expressed in the old saying, "the only good injun is a dead injun."

Certainly the avoidance of, rather than the confrontation of, all of our crimes, and those of our predecessors, is a bedrock of the assumptions of the Obama presidency, as all those before it - Carter's rejection in favor of Reagan owed much to his suggestion that we ought to examine and change our behavior.

After WWII, the Germans could not avoid recognizing by how far they had missed the mark of being reasonable and humane.

The Japanese, contrariwise, HAVE avoided this recognition - and they have a plausible excuse - mass murder of hundreds of thousands of civilians in a moment by their conquerors (the U.S. of A.) at Hiroshima. And then again at Nagasaki.

These things happened.

As did various other things over the course of my lifetime (I'm a time traveler from the mid-20th century) up to and including ongoing mass murder sponsored by my government in several countries today.

And I think it's true that exposing Sarah would be a beginning toward revealing the crimes of the military-industrial-congressional-financial-corporate media complex - and that is an important reason why the organs of mass indoctrination will RESIST letting these truths be told.

But sometimes something good happens, and as the Dutch told themselves during their long struggle to free themselves from the domination of the Spanish - it is not necessary to hope; it is only necessary to persevere.

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V ictoria link
8/30/2011 03:23:39 am

Thank you, Viola-Alex

I would so like for our nation (and our world) to become reality-based. During the midterms one Jesse Kelly supporter kept screaming at me that the US has the best health care system in the world. I *know* from experience that that isn't true.

When I was in Australia in 2010, strangers came up to me and asked why Americans were campaigning against themselves.

And of course, WMD. I recall the lead-up to that - switching between a German news channel and CNN. CNN was a Bush sock puppet.

It has to start with the media. Palin is just so obvious; why hasn't it been broken yet?

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Ottoline
8/30/2011 03:25:20 am

I can't begin to understand all you have gone though, Viola-Alex, and I am SO RELIEVED that you are on the other side of it. So much to ask you about it, but perhaps in some other time/place.

I agree about racism in America. After Obama did his risky race talk before the election, I felt a huge weight fall off me -- just because he had spoken in public about what no one else has dared to, esp not as a candidate in a pres election.

I didn't see the racism against him at first -- the anti-elitism seemed enough of an explanation for me. But with the outrageous phony debt-limit crisis, I see it now. And I think that the new right-wing plutocracy is making very effective use of racism, economic distress, and right-wing fundie religion to create a new society they like better . . .
--no taxes for the wealthiest!
--war-profiteering is okay!
--Supremes do our bidding!
--Politicians in their pockets, via Murdoch-like blackmail potential as well as payola of various sophisticated kinds, as well as the current unlimited/unreported election financing rules!

. . . and the rest of us will be enslaved to support it.

Re SP, I agree. I extend the desired lancing of this pustule to the enablers (McCain and key staff), MSM, and the Murdoch/Koch puppetmasters/funders. They are of course way more dangerous than SP, because once SP is used up, there seems to be no shortage of replacements for her role and other more powerful roles.

Looking at the world through the knothole of the PalinHoax has sure been an education for me.

I hope there are lots of big-time columnists who will help the electorate understand it all -- esp once the hoax is acknowledged.

Yes, Palinolologist, we are definitely at risk of the post-WWI lines of force, esp as the economy stalls. And if it worsens as a result of cuts in spending, as after the Great Depression, all the more so. A scary time.

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SunnyVee
8/30/2011 03:37:55 am

V-A, Thank you for your post and for what you have shared with us here. I have the greatest respect for your hard work in recovering, and agree heartily with your sentiments about our nation.

Here's wishing that your life be filled with peace and loved ones, moving forward :)

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lilly lily
8/30/2011 03:42:51 am

Once she is gone I have no interest in Bachman or Perry, they will self destruct.

The tea party will peter out.

Neither you nor I can stop racism if someone chooses to believe themselves superior to an entire race.

I think it is admirable that so many of you are so dedicated.

There is no Utopia. There never will be an entirely just society.

Humans are not made that way.

The day is gorgeous, fall is here and I will spend a few hours later tonite viewing a movie, a slice of the past, when an order of Monks in Algeria attempts to do just that. I think it is called Gods and Men. Need to read the reviews so I can fully appreciate the experience, then clean out my freezer and fridge since the power is still out from Irene.

That is reality. The power line down that has shut down two streets, all the detours I've had to take for three days now. The crushed cars, the fallen trees, the flooded houses.

It is one day at a time in my world.

And I know it is Katrina time in blogs I have been surfing. A man I have had little respect for in the past is feeding a flooded town with his preps.

His daughters fed 500 yesterday and inspired other to do the same.

Sarah Palin? I'm forgetting her already.

Redemption.

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Sharon_Too_Also
8/30/2011 03:42:56 am

Viola-Alex,

You took the long hard journey into your past, you did the work and you came out on the other side. You have earned the right to call yourself wise. I offer you my utmost respect.

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Melly
8/30/2011 03:43:45 am

I want her to fade away, but in great infamy for having been exposed on babygate. I do not want her to become not worth the effort...I want her nailed for her biggest lie.

"Did our quiet acceptance of Bush’s eight years mean that Obama can’t move us forward?" Viola-Alex, the way you worded this takes the onus off of Barack. Barack should have held Bush et al responsible. He should have had Joe Wilson escorted out of chambers when he shouted "You lie!" But he didn't. One of my greatest disappointments-as much as I otherwise admire Barack and will vote for him again-is that he seemed to accept what Bush did instead of demanding censure, prosecution, or even apology on our behalf.

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Laura Novak link
8/30/2011 03:46:15 am

Yes, thank you V-A for sharing this gripping and grueling personal story of violence, shame, redemption and healing. You were brave to tell us and wiser still to put it into the macro. You are right: unless the ills are examined and understood, history will only repeat itself. The wounds fester and then leak later. Many of you have been saying all along that Palin is a small part of a larger whole (or hole!) I hope the day comes when she is a laughable footnote and her enablers have been taken to task. Thank you again for sharing your story.

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eclecticsandra
8/30/2011 03:57:25 am

V/A. I commend you for not settling, for following what you needed to do. However,I am not sure we can extrapolate from the individual to the society.

Each of us will have to find our own awareness and work through it. I am glad that I so early saw the undesirability in Sarah Palin. I could identify with it perhaps because she has represented all that I have fought, especially the use of female sexuality as a cover for substance.

I think it takes many people with courage to stop the hysteria that can overtake the crowds. Remember the woman at the political rally screaming at McCain that Obama "is an Arab." McCain did one of his few commendable acts and quietly assured the woman she was wrong. That's how it is done. It would be interesting to see if she and her cohorts changed just a bit after that.

It is often difficult to distinguish between "other" and "evil." You had to do that. How could someone in your own family be evil? It must have been especially difficult going against the tendency to close ranks and protect "our own."

McCain didn't progress on the woman's weird assertion that Obama was an Arab. He understood that she was reacting to the buzz words associated with radical Muslims. She associated "other" with "evil." Somehow we have to work on this.

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Smirnonn
8/30/2011 03:59:37 am

Viola-Alex,

Thanks for sharing your story of struggle, survival and change. Your courage and strength are inspiring. I, too, have had to face issues from the past and still do.

You hit the nail on the proverbial head. Like it or not, SP has influenced the collective psyche of our country (for the worse, IMO, but there are those who find her facade inspiring). I fully believe that exposing SP's lies and deceptions would not only negate a lot of the divisiveness that she's fostered but would also further underscore the hypocrisy and irresponsibility of McCain and the gop for running her, ESPECIALLY after they found out how uninformed and unstable she was:

"...You guys have a lot of work to do," Steve Schmidt, Mr McCain's campaign chief, is said to have told the experts he had recruited to tutor her. "She doesn't know anything."

Heilemann and Halperin write: "Palin couldn't explain why North Korea and South Korea were separate nations. She didn't know what the Fed [the Federal Reserve] did. Asked who attacked America on 9/11, she suggested several times that it was Saddam Hussein. Asked to identify the enemy that her son would be fighting in Iraq, she drew a blank. Later, on the plane, Palin said to her team: 'I wish I'd paid more attention to this stuff'..."

"...The index cards were piling up by the hundreds, but Palin wasn't absorbing the material written on them. When her aides tried to quiz her, she would routinely shut down – chin on her chest, arms folded, eyes cast to the floor, speechless and motionless, lost in what those around her described as a kind of catatonic stupor..."

"...One of her advisers sent an urgent SOS to McCain headquarters, the authors continue. "They began discussing a new and threatening possibility: that Palin was mentally unstable."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6984739.ece

We'll need a lot of sunlight to disinfect the fetid cesspool that is the SP phenomenon.

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comeonpeople
8/30/2011 04:07:36 am

Wow VA,
Thanks for this post. Very powerful and just spot on correct. I agree with you 1000 percent and then some. Why Palin was allowed to get so close to the powerful position she almost had needs to be thoroughly dissected and those responsible held sccountable.
And an apology to US citizens would be a nice touch.
Thanks for sharing your story. I hear you.
My personal journey definitely influences how I react to
Palin. I've written before that each time she is lauded, I feel like I am slapped in the face. Can this be real? Is she really being taken seriously? It is an assault on all of us with eyes to see it.
Peace!!

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Viola-Alex
8/30/2011 04:13:29 am

@Smirnon: Thank you for providing that link! I looked it up yesterday and was shocked that something so damning had appeared to so little fanfare. It all but implies that the McCain team was afraid of Palin being anywhere close to the presidency.

@Mistah Charlie: Truth and Reconciliation, indeed. It is the only way.

@eclecticsandra: It was my shaman who taught me that women, in particular, are meant to teach the community based on what they know from their own hearts and families. I think it's no surprise that women fill the Palin Watchdog armies.

Thank you all for responding with kindness and for understanding for my righteous anger. Thank you, Laura, for providing a place for open voices, as evidenced by the long chain of comments on the last post.

Call me obsessive. Call me a conspiracy-monger. I don't care. My family called me much worse.

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anonfornow
8/30/2011 04:22:52 am

You are so right, V-A; this is why I am "obsessed" with Sarah Palin, because I don't want to see this reality buried along with all the other shameful realities that our nation tries to pretend never happened.

We built a monument to the Holocaust wrought by Nazis in Germany, but where is the monument to the victims of the greatest genocide in history, the one WE wrought against the Native Americans? Why do we continue to pretend that the brutal war against civilians in the South in the CIvil War never happened, or if it did it was somehow justified by the existence of slavery? Why is Reagan remembered as a great president, when he supported the torture and murder of tens of thousands throughout Central and South America? Why is the truth of what we did in Vietnam--the millions of civilians who died under our bombs, the tens of thousands murdered by the Phoenix assassination squads--never told? Why are George Bush and Dick Cheney not being tried as war criminals?

The reason idiots like Michele and Sarah can get up and talk about American Exceptionalism without people laughing at them is because as a nation we refuse to face the truth about ourselves and what we've done. We rationalize the dropping of the bombs on Japan by saying it was "necessary" to save the lives that would be lost in an invasion--except that argument falls apart when one realizes that the Japanese were willing to surrender BEFORE the bombs.

One of our political parties nominates a mentally imbalanced, intellectually-challenged woman who lacks even a college degree, whose past is strewn with illegal and unethical activity, who blatantly uses her looks and sex appeal, yet anyone who dares to point it out is accused of sexism and of picking on her because she's a woman? Enough is enough.

Where is the person brave enough to stand up in front of the American public and say, "This woman is a fraud and all you suckers out there who fell in love with her and refused to look behind her pretty face are idiots."

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lilly lily
8/30/2011 04:39:34 am

"This woman is a fraud and all you suckers out there fell in love with her and refused to look behind her pretty face are idiots." sums it up for me.

I want to move on and I will.

To those who have the will to keep on till she is totally exposed and PUNISHED. Good luck.

She is on her way to being used to wrap up the fish in a fish market.

Life is short and time is fleeting.

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Viola-Alex
8/30/2011 04:57:58 am

I hear you, LillyLily. I can't wait til my days are Palin-free. I just want to wring the most from her that we can.

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NSG
8/30/2011 05:02:16 am

V-A, I've admired your contributions here for a while, but today is a completely different category. Count me among those who admire your personal courage in claiming your life and in using your experience to move forward and to help open the eyes and hearts of others.

I completely agree that the personal experience is a powerful metaphor for the national situation, in many ways, as others have detailed.

There was something on the teevee the other night -- I think it was on MSNBC, Chris Hayes filling in for someone, and maybe interviewing Glenn Greenwald? I need to go look it up. I almost posted about it at the time, but am glad I didn't because it's more on point to what you're saying.

They were analyzing & criticizing this whole new "move forward" mantra, esp in the context of some of the abuses of power from the Bush admin (torture, drone attacks on countries we're not at war with, illegal wiretapping, etc.) It was important but fairly specific, and I agree that the happy-dappy "move forward" thing is dangerously thin ice.

We have to understand and come to terms with how we got here so we really CAN move forward, otherwise we're just riding around in circles.

Their other point was that there is merit in punishment. Letting Cheney, Bush, Nixon, banksters, Palin, McCain, the MSM, etc. off the hook only perpetuates the abuses.

There's a reason wrong-doers must be held to account. True justice serves a valuable and moral purpose. Not some pain-driven sense of vengeance. But to uphold the values of equality and justice that are the foundations of our country.

Again, Viola-Alex, thank you.

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curiouser
8/30/2011 05:09:41 am

Thank you for sharing your powerful story, Viola-Alex. May you triumph always and have much joy.

I hate the thought of Palin fading away without accountability for her and her political and media accomplices. My obsession with her is more about what she represents -- just about everything that's wrong with our politics, religion, media, and culture -- and less about keeping her out of the White House. There's no positive or lasting change or healing without dealing with the whole sordid mess.

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Leona
8/30/2011 05:09:47 am

Thank you, Viola-Alex, for writing about a horrendous set of personal circumstances that could have broken you, but instead, became a way for you to use your strength and insight to become a better person.
As far as Sarah Palin goes, I still wonder what went on in her early, formative years that turned her into the narcissistic, lying grifter that she is. Eventually the truth will come out, I think, about the many lies and manipulations she has committed, but I wonder if anyone will ever know what happened to her when she was very young.

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Mitch
8/30/2011 05:12:19 am

Wonderful post Viola, just wonderful. A shaman, huh? Getting all Carlos Castenada on us!
I am in agreement with you in in regards to holding SP accountable but it seems that after all these yrs and the efforts of so many of us that unless we get a national media platform and a persuasive voice our efforts will remain relatively unnoticed. What we need is a Lawrence O'Donnell or Ed Schultz or The Reverend Al of best yet, Rachel Maddow.

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1Doubter
8/30/2011 05:26:32 am

Thank you, Viola-Alex. It must have been one heck of a journey for you, but I am very, very glad that you finally found the little opening to the other side through a Shaman...

I agree with you and others that say we need to address our country's past. If we do not, and just brush over it, we are bound to repeat what has happened before, because we will not learn from history. If you do not punish a child (by words or consequences) for some wrong it has done, it will not learn that it did something wrong, and it will repeat its actions over and over again.
If we do not say anything about the atrocities that have been/are being committed under our name, then we will keep on doing just that. As NSG said: "Letting Cheney, Bush, Nixon, banksters, Palin, McCain, the MSM, etc. off the hook only perpetuates the abuses." RIGHT ON!

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MariaT
8/30/2011 05:30:32 am

I salute you, Viola-Alex. Your courage and determination to shine light into your personal darkness, has transformed you into a beacon of truth.

Thanks for sharing your personal story and for your steadfast resolution to expose the ugliness that is Palin.

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Conscious at last!
8/30/2011 05:31:47 am

Thank you Viola-Alex for going to that place of truth, for yourself and for all of us.

There is a reason that SP resonates, so negatively, for this group. One way or another, her insane behaviors connect to our own emotional damage.

Your personal experience also illustrates a critical lesson-- people who are deeply hateful are usually very sick themselves. When they are in positions of power, whether as a parent or a president, they will continue and widen the hurt. This is why it is so important that we expose the truth regarding Palin AND continually improve our own skills of discernment. We need to be able to get past the hype of leadership, right or left, and see what is REALLY going on.

I, too, have learned important lessons in the process of my own, ongoing healing. The only way out is through.
"Feelings buried alive never die." (Karol Truman) When we bury unprocessed emotions, they eventually manifest as physical or emotional illness. Emotions are nothing more than energy in motion. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only its form can be changed. We are here, working together, trying to shift the energies of hate and fear to love and light.
It's a tall order-- but we really have no other choice.

So, Viola-Alex, I send you a virtual hug over the internet and great appreciation for this beautiful contribution to our ongoing dialogue.

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grammy97
8/30/2011 05:33:55 am

Thank you, Viola-Alex. I understand and appreciate your courage in writing this post.

I don't believe we could produce a healing change in the United States if we gathered every shaman in the world. And I am convinced, to the bottom of my heart, that Sarah Palin was hopelessly damaged by her father. Without the cash and propaganda from hidden right wingers, Sarah would never have gotten out of Alaska. They didn't understand how much damage she has; so they mis-judged how much power they could use.

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FrostyAK
8/30/2011 05:38:29 am

Thank you A-V.

It would be good for the soul of all humanity to relive privately and personally what has gone on before. Not through books that have altered true history or through the eyes of Hollywood.

The reason the 'human' race continues not to learn from history and keeps repeating it, is that we have no internal personal knowledge of it. Except that we do... it is locked away in that portion of our brains that is "unused", or inaccessible without the help of hypnosis or some other device. Instead we have 24 hour a day distraction via the media. Drama and fear pumped through the TV every time the on button is pushed.

We are once *again* headed toward a human sponsored apocalypse. MAYBE if the $P pustule is fully revealed and lanced, it will be the beginning of a turn around. Maybe the Mayans were right - that the world will not end in 2012, but that we will begin on a new path - one of peace and caring for our fellow beings. Maybe...

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mumimor
8/30/2011 05:40:12 am

Viola-Alex, thank you so much for sharing this with us. You are an amazingly strong person. I remember as a student trying to share the recollection of growing up in an abusive family and being told that "nothing compares with the holocaust". Now we have several published accounts of abuse within families that are so horrendous, no one could ever dismiss them. But I just wish we'd known you (we were a group of four students who had struggled with abuse in our childhood).
Someone like you opens up the world to someone like me.

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Molly
8/30/2011 05:41:07 am

Viola-Alex, thank you for sharing that.I agree wholeheartedly with all of your sentiments. The wrongdoers need to be punished, not just forgotten.

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Viola-Alex
8/30/2011 05:59:51 am

wow. to receive these words from voices I've long followed and respected is -- well-- buoying! You've all added muscle and poetry to my argument. Even those who don't agree are respectful.

FrostyAK: FWIW, back in 1998 my shaman told me that the world would end in 2012. I laughed, and he said, that I might consider living as if it might. He qualified the end as "the end of things as we've known them." Yes, I try to live like tomorrow could be my last day.

Mumimor: as it was once described to me, the worst childhood abuse is suffered alone and at the hands of a beloved abuser. For those two reasons, how abuse impacts a child (how it feels and the damage done) can be worse than a war crime on the individual psyche. That is certainly not to denigrate the horror of genocide. Sadly, in my experience, people are more willing to accept wartime atrocities than familial ones.

ConsciousAtLast! -- loved all your words, and must say, every time I see your name in comments, I feel a thrill of being just that: conscious at last.

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mxm
8/30/2011 06:04:51 am

Viola-Alex,

Thank you for sharing your life with us. I am so very sorry that you had to experience the pain and trauma but am relieved to hear that you discovered a way forward. Your words have touched me.

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mary
8/30/2011 06:05:46 am

Thank you for sharing something so personal, Viola-Alex.

In case anyone doesn't realize, the book excerpted in the link that Smirnonn posted above (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6984739.ece) was published under the title of Game Change in the U.S. And yes, according to sources from the McCain team, many of them certainly DID regret putting Palin so close to the Vice Presidency. In fact, many of them were considering how they would restrict her duties/powers in the unlikely event that McCain won the election.

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Smirnonn
8/30/2011 06:06:44 am

@anonfornow:

GREAT post at 11:22:52!! Especially:

"We built a monument to the Holocaust wrought by Nazis in Germany, but where is the monument to the victims of the greatest genocide in history, the one WE wrought against the Native Americans? Why do we continue to pretend that the brutal war against civilians in the South in the CIvil War never happened, or if it did it was somehow justified by the existence of slavery? Why is Reagan remembered as a great president, when he supported the torture and murder of tens of thousands throughout Central and South America? Why is the truth of what we did in Vietnam--the millions of civilians who died under our bombs, the tens of thousands murdered by the Phoenix assassination squads--never told? Why are George Bush and Dick Cheney not being tried as war criminals?"

I copy/pasted your entire post to my HD. Please forgive me if I deploy it in the future to enlighten those who need it :)

Smir

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Smirnonn
8/30/2011 06:16:21 am

@Conscious at last:

Thank you for your post. You really touched me with this paragraph:

"'Feelings buried alive never die.' (Karol Truman) When we bury unprocessed emotions, they eventually manifest as physical or emotional illness. Emotions are nothing more than energy in motion. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, only its form can be changed. We are here, working together, trying to shift the energies of hate and fear to love and light.
It's a tall order-- but we really have no other choice."

Namaste,

Smir

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Kellie
8/30/2011 06:19:44 am

To the poster who wrote abt the possibility that Sarah might have to payback funds received from lies, think about all the people who've lied in books. Think about all the politicians who have lied in books.

Just food for thought. People will feel hurt but her diehards will "understand" as diehards do.

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Ottoline
8/30/2011 06:50:21 am

Regarding House-gate or paying back grifted money: When you look at all the -gates -- the huge long list at palingates, for example -- it seems obvious to me that SP will never be held accountable for most (if any) of them. Each one of the -gates has an ugly complicated story behind it, and because it's in corrupt AK, and because it's complicated, and because SP is such an accomplished liar, and because there are webs of co-grifters surrounding her, it seems impossible that many of those sad -gates will have a happy ending.

That's why the BabyHoax, babygate, is so important. A real hoax, and also a symbol of all the rest, the values -- just like SP said it was. At the outset, some of use thought it would be simple to prove, and even along the way it seemed like we finally had it. Many times. I guess SP thought so too, according to the anon reports. But here she is, still doing business at the same old stand.

And so are the enablers, the MSM, and the fat-cat funders/puppetmasters: business as usual.

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Owlwolf
8/30/2011 07:12:40 am

What a moving post, Viola-Alex. Thank you for your courage and your insight. With your post, I now understand why I want SP held accountable...she has to face the music. Anybody and everyone else would so, why not her. She cannot continue to get away with so much stuff.

Thank you again and I wish you continued healing on your journey. You sound like an awesome person!

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Jo C
8/30/2011 07:31:36 am

Viola-Alex, you were incredibly courageous to post your personal narrative. While I am so impressed with the journey out of that nightmare you have taken, I am also so impressed with the intelligence, wisdom and ability to poetically empress their thoughts that the posters on this blog possess and share. Thank you Laura, for allowing so many to speak.

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K.M.R
8/30/2011 08:00:24 am

Thanks to hurricane Irene I've needed two days to catch up on the last three entries; including all the delicious comments. Thank you everyone.

Thank you also, too, to Viola-Alex. I especially enjoyed your introductory paragraph because I could say the same about myself.

>>> "You’ll have to bear with me here. I’m not a journalist or a political pundit. I’m not even all that smart. I’m an older woman who’s fought her way through some rough times, and my survival has made me feel, well, a little wiser than most people." <<<<

Your situation, as you go on to explain, was quite different from my own but I do personally understand your struggles. I would like to say that I was moved by your genuine sincerity. Thank you.

I also agree fully with your message to Sarah, "No mercy. No quarter given. No gentle good night on Xanax."

Not to take away from your post but I've a question for the readers:
Does anyone recall the video from when Bristol first bought her home in Maricopa AZ?
In said video, Bristol is wearing a flowing style vest and holding Tripp in such a way as to cover her mid section. I believe it was because she was pregnant with her third child.
Media Insider, who has since stopped blogging, featured this video while explaining about body doubles. It became clearly obvious, to me at least, that a Bristol double was used when filming her full body.
I can't find the video anywhere on YouTube and I don't know how to use the WayBack machine (or whatever it's called). Did anyone happen to save it?

Thank you to MXM as well and to those who added more to his/her invaluable time line. I've kept track of a lot but more haphazardly, as evidenced by the video I mention above that I can't find.

Thank you Ottoline. I think I first read about the doll in the sling on Bree's blog. At the time I was less convinced than I am now that Sarah used a doll rather than a real baby. I've changed my mind because of something I saw on TV recently. 'Good Morning America' featured a segment about a woman who compulsively collected dolls, some of which looked and breathed exactly as real babies. These life-like dolls are called Reborns. I couldn't find the exact video (told ya!) but I did find this one from 20/20. OMG! http://tinyurl.com/8f5agq

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physicsmom
8/30/2011 08:04:45 am

Many thanks, Viola-Alex, for sharing your story and translating the lessons from the personal to the global. The analogy is quite true. I agree with you and wish that such exploration and accountability can be attached to the atrocities in our past. However, I fear that will not happen; witness the alacrity with which the Obama Administration dismissed the transgressions of George W. Bush and his cronies. He is even perpetuating some of them. I guess I'm in a hopeless frame of mind. If the world as we know it is ending in 2012, I fear that means the oligarchy will take complete power openly and the Middle Class will be no more, rather than a National purification. Maybe I'll feel better tomorrow.

One comment on a personal level: your statement that your father was "beloved, but dangerous" sounds like such an oxymoron, but I know of which you speak. It's heartbreaking and others do NOT understand.

Namaste, my friend.

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search4more
8/30/2011 08:55:18 am

Viola-Alex,

That was a more emotional blog post than I was expecting from my daily anti Palin blog post reading. It made me sad, but then I felt happy you'd found a way to come to terms with it, but then I was like whoa a shaman! ;-)

I was interested in what you said though about why it's important to keep after Palin. I think the most important thing is to have her political influence on the country taken away. I don't really feel any great animosity towards the woman herself. It's the power she has, albeit diminishing power, that worries me.

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I found another video today. No doubt it's one people in the know have seen before. Since people were interested in the one of her at that religious conference thingy I might as well post this one just in case it's not been seen before.

It's basically just a bit of stock footage from 2008 that the NYtimes put in one of their recent videos.

I cut out the clip and put it on youtube. here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjQ951AhupE

Not massively interesting, but then it all depends when the date was that it was recorded. Any ideas anyone?

I'm guessing it's sometime in February or March 2008. I looked through all the pictures I have saved of that time period and couldn't see her wearing those clothes.

She clearly has a bump, but it's not that big. Her clothes are loose fitting so when she walks they move and you get a sense of her shape. Unusually for her she is wearing trousers. The video is from the side which is good.

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Anon for now
8/30/2011 08:59:11 am

Off Topic, but I did want to bring it to everyone's attention that there is quite an interesting Trig conversation going on at Bladecat's Blog. http://shesnohockeymom.blogspot.com/ Go put in your 2 cents worth in on the debate of Trig VS Ruffles on his 3rd birthday photo.

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Laura Novak link
8/30/2011 09:00:34 am

Great video, Search4More. I think that will be easy enough for this team to put into a time frame. In fact, I might have something in my files that I can use. But it will take me a while to get to it.

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jadez
8/30/2011 09:33:16 am

you have had a tough life and i am very happy that you have been able to come to terms with it all and be at some peace.

but..your life in no way equates to what palin represents and some of your conclusions are not accurate.

and it may be best to leave it at that....

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jeff
8/30/2011 09:36:20 am

V-A,

Thank you so much for your courage to confront the truth and for your desire to pass on the wisdom you've gained to others.

I agree with you about not letting these things slip back under a rock so they can come out and bite us again later. Given that, I am having a really hard time right now observing this "victory lap" that Darth Vader, the current asshole and former Vice-Pres, is taking while he sells his self-serving memoirs. If things were right in our society, he'd find his ass locked up for a long, damn time for all of the crimes he perpetrated while in office. As long as we allow these types of psychopaths to do their evil deeds and then thrive personally as a result, we will never heal.

I have more that I want to write on the subject later, but I'm short on time to do it right now. I'm hopeful that after giving it some careful thought that I'll be able to express it a small fraction as well as you have done so in your post.

Nonetheless, right now, I wanted to let you know how much gratitude I feel for your giving us the benefit of your wisdom and experience.

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NSG
8/30/2011 09:48:44 am

Following up to my earlier post about the risks of sweeping wrong-doing under a rug out of some desire to "move forward." I had referenced an MSNBC interview between Chris Hayes (filling in for O'Donnell) and Glenn Greenwald, on 8/25/11.

Here's the link...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/44281212#44281212

Not surprisingly, given these two very smart & thoughtful people, it's a very thought-provoking discussion about the dangers of no judicial or social sanctions to such manipulations of moral and legal standards. How lack of consequences becomes a moral hazard and essentially induces further bad acts on a fairly broad level.

(I will caveat that Greenwald here continues his criticism of Obama for what he sees as his actions in letting Cheney/Bush off the hook. For the purposes of sharing the other 99% of this insightful interview, I want to say I'm not endorsing that view of Greewald's.)

At any rate, for those who are interested in the broader history, context and legal philosophy that we've been discussing today, this is a clip worth spending some time with.

Peace, all....



And the 4th dot is deliberate :)

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NJfan link
8/30/2011 09:48:54 am

What a powerful post. I agree all the dirty little secrets need to be revealed and exposed so all can see for themselves the lies and deceit of Sarah Palin and the teabaggers.

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mary
8/30/2011 09:52:48 am

search4more, I don't see a "bump" in that video of Palin. Just a scarf and a long jacket.

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Ottoline
8/30/2011 10:08:30 am

search4more: this clip is indeed interesting. On another site we pored over it but failed to date it, at least as far as I followed it. My recollection is that we thought this should have been taken during the time her pregnancy should show, but as she walks from her desk it is clear there is no 6+ month bump. We had another shot (still photo) that showed the people at the table, and we were unable to identify them, or the date. I hope someone will have followed it longer than I did and perhaps know more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjQ951AhupE

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Maddies_Mom
8/30/2011 10:14:40 am

Smirnonn, you included those passages from "Game Change". Now you know damn well every pundit in pundit-land has read that book, and they STILL pretend that she's a credible potential candidate. Blows.My.Mind.

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curiouser
8/30/2011 11:00:15 am

The clips in the video of Palin are from a longer clip that was included in a CBC news report during the Republican convention that covered the wild ride and Trig rumor. Parts of the clip are frequently played on NBC by Lawrence O'Donnell and, in the past, by Keith Olbermann.

CBC - Palin office clip at 02:11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-oRIxw8y-0&NR=1

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42982373#

I spent a fair amount of time trying to date the video with hopes that it could entice Lawrence or another MSNBC host to question Palin's 'pregnancy'.

The video was taken in the Juneau office. In the video:
Chief of Staff, Mike Tibbles (blond)
Asst. CoS, Mike Nizich (not 100% certain)
Budget Director, Karen Rehfield (blond)(This also looks somewhat like Ivy Frye but the hair of the woman in the video is consistent with other photos of Karen R. in March '08. See the French newsletter.)

The dark-haired woman may be Annette Kreitzer, Director of Admin. but I'm more comfortable leaving her unidentified.

Sarah was photographed in the same outfit a few times (I have a feeling she wore it weekly), including March 27 '08 except she wore the scarf differently and pearls aren't visible.

http://www.aksenate.org/french/032908_legislative_update.htm

I've searched Palin's calendar for Jan-April '08 and can't find this particular group of people listed. The calendar may also show it as a press interview. Other eyes may spot it what I've missed.

I think the video was most likely shot during the end of March while the supplemental capital budget was being considered (focus on Mar. 14 - Apr 3).

Mike Tibbles left his position abruptly on May 1 '08. He's currently working as a consultant to the Alaska Cruise Association.

http://juneauempire.com/stories/022210/loc_566155051.shtml

Someone--I think it was Ginger--wrote about a resource for obtaining AK news videos and I imagine they would hve the dates. Mike Tibbles is another possible resource if someone can contact him.

I have other videos and stills to help identify the meeting participants.

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curiouser
8/30/2011 11:03:43 am

My apologies if I jumped the gun with the above info. I missed the part of Laura's comment saying she had something in her files.

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search4more
8/30/2011 11:17:55 am

Ottoline,

It should be easier now because we know her schedule and have some of her emails.

I think there is a calendar on her desk. Unfortunately the video isn't good enough quality to make it out.

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mary,

I see a bit of a bump. It does not protrude though beyond her breasts as you might expect for a woman who is maybe 6 months pregnant. In fact it's no where near doing that.

In a lot of the pictures of her I do see a bump. The problem is it's not big enough and the size of it is inconsistent. What we believe is that she was pretending but did it incompetently isn't it? That means that there is often going to be a bump. The strongest evidence that she might have been pregnant is that it's clear from the pictures of the period if you just look at her face and neck that she is generally plumper than before.

I don't believe in fully believing anything. You should constantly change your mind on the basis of new evidence.

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search4more
8/30/2011 11:24:55 am

curiouser,

Cool. Thanks. Great info.

If it is anywhere near the end of March then it's a more significant video than I thought.

There is all this stock footage just sitting on various hard disks. It's hard to believe that the people that work at these places haven't rummaged through it...maybe in their lunch break.

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JJ
8/30/2011 11:30:43 am

Anon238 posted on IM again!!


Anonymous said...
Hello all, me again! I have a minute before an early dinner with some family, so I wanted to add a point to the information about Trig as well as share something I heard today which was divinely hilarious. I have been horrified at the length of my comments--in the spoken word I am normally quite concise and clipped. I can only attribute this repeated word-vomit to a metaphorical burst dam; there is just so much to say.

I've not yet had time to read all the latest comments but I am sure at least some people assumed Trig was HOME by Valentine's day. In the photo with the mommy's valentine shirt, he has little round band aid type circles on both cheeks, like they are used to keep tubes in place but were moved for the photo or perhaps some other reason. You can see in the photo that Trig is laying in something with clear plastic on its sides, such as a hospital crib. I know when Trig was very small he went somewhere between the NICU and home, something called "SDU". There was an email which stated that Trig didn't do so great in "SDU" and had to go back to the NICU for at least 48 hours. I wish I could recall the date of this email, sorry. Don't despair, however; upon my return I'm sitting down with the person who has showed me all the photos and emails and shared so much information and they are helping me fill in blanks of dates and places. We thought it might be fun to get on the phone in the next day or two and discuss some details and emails we thought would give you the most "mileage", info-wise...and try and have at least a small (but detailed!) missive to share on 9-3...no special reason for that date, naturally...;)

I will post to this thread because honestly I'm not sure where else I'd do it.

As to the funny story recounted to me this morning--my source tells me the small circle still with Sarah is becoming more and more frustrated. She's obsessing over how she can get in front of what I have already revealed here and what I will be revealing in the future. She is frantically trying to get associates from several years ago to suddenly go on the record stating they saw her bare pregnant belly. She came right out and said "we can't have another person say they saw it through a layer of clothes!"
So not surprisingly...nobody wants to be Sarah's eyewitness account savior. She's trying to act nonchalant in asking people to do it, basically saying the "liberals" are "picking on Trig" and if they would just do her this one tiny favor, it would really help "Trig". She is so gross!

Two of her handlers have coined a new term (new to me at least) for this frenetic history revision she's obsessed with--SARAHNOIA. Brilliant, right? It is no small irony that even her closest "advisors" are making fun of her behind her back, given how she talks about people.

Sarah has paid one of those info databanks to try and get dirt on Gryphen...she is so desperate to get people to stop reading/respecting Gryphen. Of course as you all can probably guess, all she's done is waste her money! (She has also tried in vain to figure out the identity of a certain blogger...and she's wasted her money there as well)
4:13 PM

As I have been going through the times this person has really vented to me about Sarah and as I've written down more and more, my abject disgust for her has grown by leaps and bounds. I knew of course Sarah and Bristol both have immense jealousy toward Sadie but what I had not realized is that Sarah was being vicious toward Sadie even several years ago when Sarah was still the governor and Sadie was a teenager. She obviously hates anyone who has youth and beauty. She also told people Sadie "snuck" those photos from Levi's birthday so she could "sell" pictures of the governor's new baby. Her gall in making up lies is unbelievable. First off, Sarah herself POSED in one of those photos...and next, Sadie had posted them to my-space! Not exactly what one would do of selling the photos was a consideration.

I think that right there sums up Sarah's general MO fairly well---wealthy head of state in her forties picks on and bullies a teenager from a broken home. Class all the way.
Today I'll close with this-- Sarah is freaking out now that she thinks people are actually contacting the school and trying to verify her college degree. So keep digging. I think there's strong indications you'll find exactly what you'd find if you went looking for a birth certificate with Trig's name and 4-18-08 on it; absolutely nothing..,or at best, forged documents.

I shall see you all on the third! You too, Sarah and Bristol! Oh, by the way Bristol...I heard about the newest development on your "reality show". What a shame. I'm sure they won't REALLY fire you even though you're bombing with test audiences. Surely they'll take into consideration that you've been professional, courteous, genuine-- oh, that's right. You've made them wait endlessly while you post your transparent pablum o

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LTA
8/30/2011 11:31:45 am

@KMR I have looked for this video online and can't find it. Seeing an enormously pregnant Bristol and then in the next frame seeing a girl who is not only NOT pregnant but who is a very trim size 2 or maybe even 0, it's mind-blowing to think they believed they could pull this off. But what am I saying- they did pull it off this time, just like every other time.

I wonder if this is yet another piece of footage that just disappeared, never to be seen or acknowledged again?


V-A, what a powerful and moving account. I mean that sincerely, I'm moved to not let the Sarah Palins ruin any more of the world our children's children will inherit. I don't mean the drilling or oil, I mean the lack of value on family, integrity, honor, truth, personal accountability, and so much more. No more. Hear that, media? Do your jobs and expose this woman for what she is and what she has done.

V-A, I really applaud your bravery and candor.

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JJ
8/30/2011 11:32:27 am

oops - here's the rest from anon 2:38

on Gryphen's blog...you leave the crew to deal with YOUR child and your "Godson" (oh, I'm sure they'll buy that) when you can't blackmail or pay Willow to watch your DWTS baby)...what else? Oh, how could I forget?! You "have less personality on camera than a deaf-mute dustbunny". Ouch.

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crystalwolfakacaligrl
8/30/2011 11:35:48 am

Viola-alex What a gut wrenching post. My hearts hurts for all you have suffered but I feel joy for your healing.

I agree with you about the Grifter...she can not go away until she is exposed for everything.

Many blessing to you.

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KarenJ
8/30/2011 11:45:21 am

That video you unearthed, search4more, is pretty amusing, if only for the swift unhesitating well-balanced stride of Sarah Palin as she moves from desk to conference table.

No lurching because her "pregnant" belly unbalanced her, no tilting of her pelvis forward and leaning back to compensate for a "pregnant" belly, no slow deliberate stride to avoid a misstep -- nah, she's SuperMom, impervious to the awkwardness of every other pregnant woman!

Or she's absolutely not pregnant.

BTW, her belly looked completely flat to me in that video. Not even a tiny bump.

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Laura Novak link
8/30/2011 12:21:31 pm

SDU = Step Down Unit. That's my guess. It's a lower level nursery where they can get ready for discharge. They lower the lights at night to simulate dark (a drastic difference for babies who have no circadian rhythms. If they don't do well in one of those, they go back to the NICU (sometimes on a different floor or down the hall.)

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Laura Novak link
8/30/2011 12:24:22 pm

Oh and Curiouser - by all means, step in with the dates. My stuff is deeply buried and I'd really have to dig to to find the video someone sent me. So, thank you for stepping in with this!

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Viola-Alex
8/30/2011 12:52:36 pm

I love this place that Laura has provided, and all the work she does to keep it open and free. Thank you JJ for posting the new Anon. It was like breakfast in bed.
Agree 100%, Karen J, that is no pregnant woman with her bossy "deliberate stride."

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LTA
8/30/2011 12:55:19 pm

I meant to comment on that video, which I have never seen before. 2 things struck me about it. One of them- look at the force she grabs that baby's head with! It looks like she could have left dents! The second thing- she says Trig is the "best thing to ever happen to me", right in front of Piper. That seems pretty cold to Piper, who was only 6 or 7. All the more sad to me because we know SP was lying her ginormous head off when saying Trig was the best thing to ever happen to her.

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A Reader
8/30/2011 12:56:07 pm

Wow on Anon's latest posting to IM!

Could this be it? The inner circle crack we've been waiting for? Sounds as if this poster has a ton of stuff she's going to be unloading.

And here I told myself I MUST stop compulsively reading the comments in all the blogs and get some work done on my next book. (Maybe i should thank McGinniss although I still think he's a prick.) Reading this tonight was my reward for knocking out ten pages today, but I don't know how I'm going to stay away tomorrow1

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JR
8/30/2011 12:59:20 pm

Thank you for your post. I agree that every detail needs to come out - do you think it would begin to heal our nation? I do. I think when the truth about Babygate becomes known there will be a huge shift. People are already wary of the GOP for lying us into wars, but that is very complicated and seems surreal after all of this time has passed. Faking a pregnancy and using that child for political gain is visceral, and normal thinking humans will find the whole scheme completely disgusting. I think John McCain and his campaign team are people who know that Sarah Palin faked her pregnancy and still kept her as a candidate for VP, which will have huge repercussions for the entire party. Any sympathy that remains will be for Trig.

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anonfornow
8/30/2011 01:02:55 pm

Can I just say that the "Anon for now" at 15:59 is not me? One of us obviously needs to find a new handle.

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Natalie
8/30/2011 01:16:47 pm

O/T has COD been reinvited to the sarahpalooza on 9/3? Interesting...

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V ictoria link
8/30/2011 01:36:25 pm

@JJ - thanks for reposting the IM comments. I love the term "Sarahnoia" - either this poster is legit or incredibly creative.

I love the description of how her circle is cracking. Does anyone know how to contact the school where she allegedly graduated? This seems like a task for Clarity Drake!

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mxm
8/30/2011 01:42:46 pm

That Anon238 is just the bee's knees. Can't wait for 9/3!!!!!

It makes a lot more sense that on Valentine's Day, Trig was still hospitalized. If born startlingly premature, he could well have been born in late Dec or January. That makes sense and correlates with other assumptions that have been discussed in the past and 'confirmed' by other bloggers' sources.

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Ottoline
8/30/2011 02:16:13 pm

Just saw this again. Cant remember who created it.

http://www.palinbabyquestion.com/whois_trig_palins_mother1.html

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Melly
8/30/2011 02:31:12 pm

Curiouser, identifying the date of that video was one of Audrey's last efforts. Never could do it. The video crops up now and then and people try all over again to date it, to no avail. I think Audrey did determine that it was a CBC film crew in the office...not just that the clip was in a CBC report. Dang, it's such a great report. So clear, so matter of fact, so credible. Our media blew it/continues to blow it so badly on babygate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-oRIxw8y-0&NR=1

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Melly
8/30/2011 02:41:02 pm

K.M.R, I think that Bristol interview was done by Julianna Rancic (sp?), for whatever that's worth. Is that the Insider? I just remember a god-awful skinny woman...in stark contrast to Bristol.

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ROb
8/30/2011 02:52:51 pm

I don't think Sarah is ready to disappear yet. Something funny is going on in the home front. Everything has been too quiet and everybody has been laying low and out of sight. Has all the kids and Todd been told recently not to make waves or do stupid shit? Has Sarah been talked to about going out in public looking like a hoe with fungus toes?

Nobody is pregnant.
Todd has not been seen with prostitutes.
Willow hasn't been gang banging or having Facebook / homophobic rants.
Piper has been quiet and not seen in the lower 48. Looks like they put her in school.
Looks like all the school buses has passed safety inspections.
Bristol is only running her reality show scam.
No cross hairs or grifting book signings or movie scams going on.

It is too quiet. Maybe Sarah feels if she is quiet everybody will forget about the blood libel Arizona shootings, hiring of incompetent high school friends for important state jobs, babygate, troopergate, dairygate and all her other gates along with her paranoid rants about every man wants to rape her daughters and how Todd and Sarah bullies elderly citizens of Alaska.

I don't trust the Palins but they will eventually surface and do something retarded, it is in their DNA.

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ann_s link
8/30/2011 03:00:35 pm

V-A, I am so touched by your story and so inspired that you could recover from such a nightmare. Thank you for posting and yes, I too, want Sarah Palin to pay for everything she has done. I feel that her undoing may possibly shed light on how the decent American people, voters, are manipulated and used year after year. I almost think it had to get this bad and this corrupt for us to demand things change. I do not think that will happen until her most grievous hoax is completely open and displayed, along with the people in power who have helped her. We know they are there and for the most part we know who they are. Thank you to Laura and Jesse and Malia especially.

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Ginger
8/30/2011 06:33:30 pm

Your story, Viola-Alex, was so moving, I can't begin to say how sorry I felt for you. I'm so glad you were able to find closure and peace.

One thing I'd like to bring up here is how unproductive it is to make Bristol pregnant all-the-time. What a distraction! I think we should be focused on Sarah's fake pregnancy. I've always thought this was done on purpose to make people believe she had two babies in one year.

Re Anon238: This person seems to have inside information. What did I gleen from the comments? The emphasis, to me, was to insure we all knew Trig was born early in Feb., 2008. Also, a lot of talk about e-mails we haven't seen but no mention of the most important e-mail.

You know, the e-mail I'm always talking about. The one from the SOA, Benefits Div., dated May 21, 2008 addressed to...Gov. Sarah Palin...asking her for her newborn's birth certificate. Something triggered these people to ask Sarah for this. Was it a bill/claim/invoices for Trig's birth? As I have said before, the paperwork had to be in her name but we know Sarah wasn't the pregnant one.

It's been stated she didn't send them a b/c, but that point is moot. There was a reason they contacted her and that's what I find telling.

Maybe, Anon238, can help us out here.

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search4more
8/30/2011 07:50:36 pm

I just found this video from the 3rd March 2008.

It's an interview of Palin done by KTLA news. Seems to be an Arizona station. She did it before her Newsweek interview with Janet Napolitano.

Here's the link. It's much easier to see if you lighten the video. I may do that at some point, but can't be bothered right now. I Don't have the right codec installed just this minute. Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_BMG3UV-Oc

I also found a news clip which has footage of Palin in Texas before the wild ride and also footage of her presenting the new baby. Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iOa_5sOC_w

Disclaimer: 70% of you have probably found and seen these before.

Please somebody make an archive site where everything can be put. We are an army without a general all doing our own thing.

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sharon
8/30/2011 09:11:35 pm

Wow! Excellent post. You are a "woman's woman". Thank you

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The Culture of Impunity - Palin & Obama
8/30/2011 11:31:31 pm

NSG, earlier in this thread, explicitly disavows Glenn Greenwald's "criticism of Obama for what he sees as his actions in letting Cheney/Bush off the hook." I, on the other hand (your correspondent mistah charley, ph.d.) want to explicitly endorse said criticisms, and repost here a response I made elsewhere in the Palinosphere.

IS OBAMA AN HONEST MAN?


Recently I wrote, at another blog, "Obama has always been in the pocket of the banksters and the war party". I was immediately and angrily denounced as a "firebagger." But another commenter, an idealistic and hopeful fan of our president, wrote to ask me, "Is it an illusion that Obama is an honest man? That's a huge part of his value, to me. I believe he is. I've never heard anything substantial to the contrary. Do you think he is bought? Any specifics?"

My reply:

"Do you think he is bought?" Maybe you've read Catch-22, by Joseph Heller. Ostensibly a World War II novel of the black comedy genre, it is more accurate history than they teach schoolchildren (according to what I've heard - I wasn't there - before my time). Yossarian tells the shrink, "Doc, they're trying to kill me." The shrink says, "No, no, my friend. They aren't trying to kill you. They're trying to kill EVERYBODY." Somehow, Yossarian is not reassured.

Similarly, I doubt you will be encouraged to learn that I don't think Obama in particular is bought - I think they're ALL bought.

But you ask for specifics. First of all, "you can observe a lot just by watching." In other words, behavior counts more than promises, expressed intentions, sympathies, common values, etc. etc. etc. So let's look at the behavior.

How is he doing on the civil liberties front, and the openness/transparency of government front? Read Glenn Greenwald at Salon.

How is he doing on the killing of foreigners front? Read antiwar.com.

How is he doing on prosecuting all the con men at the finest banks and investment firms, who enriched themselves during the great fraudulent mortgage boom? Read Yves Smith at nakedcapitalism.com.

How is handling our current economic situation? Here I can recommend going to very establishment figures - Paul Krugman, Robert Reich - as well as less mainstream figures such as Paul Craig Roberts and Michael Hudson.

How can such a handsome, friendly, well-educated, articulate man be a war criminal and a central cog in the machinery of the military industrial congressional financial corporate media complex, a conspiracy to use, abuse, and confuse the people, to "milk, shear, and slaughter the sheeple", metaphorically speaking? [Except that the metaphorical sheeple are, in fact, literally slaughtered.]

'Tis a puzzlement.

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V ictoria link
8/30/2011 11:42:33 pm

It seems, from what the Anons are posting, that the facade is starting to really crumble. I'd recommend for some of the enablers to start thinking about how to jump ship.

For example, CBJ might want to retain that lawyer and explain that letter. If she didn't write it, or it was altered, it's time to come clean. Bristol might want to claim all her children (and issue a huge apology to those from whom she took "abstinence money" - possibly refund it). Harper Collins might want to shred the books which are obviously garbage. FOX might want to fire Palin. I mean, why would they want to keep such an obvious hoax?

Because the truth is seeping out and someone will pick it up soon.

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gsb link
8/31/2011 12:09:32 am

"This women is a fraud and all you suckers out there fell in love with her, and refused to look behind her pretty face, are idiots". Pretty well sums it up for me, too lilly, lilly.
There is a picture in my mind that stays. Sarah giving a speech with all the
godly Republican's standing behind her(all male)all, watching her, behind. You cold almost see the drool running down there faces.

This picture will be with me for a long time and because of it, i will never,trust or believe a republican. Thank you Mr. Mccain!!

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Laura Novak link
8/31/2011 12:10:48 am

Up, you raise an interesting point about Medicaid.

MediCal kicked in by virtue of our son being in the hospital. That's all that was needed. We got a card and he was automatically registered for SID payments as well. He was actually paid for being in neonatal intensive care for three months. If you can believe it.

We never used the MediCal b/c we had 2 private insurers, one through my television reporter's union. But oh yes. I recall when the social worker brought the card and all the paperwork to me saying we were enrolled automatically. I could not believe it. But there you have it.

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anonfornow
8/31/2011 12:13:12 am

Jeanne has the first of her bombshells from the cutting room floor up at Mudflats. As I read it, I found myself constantly thinking about IM's Palin Fairy Tale Troll, aka Bristol. That Sarah has managed to project an image of herself as a wonderful wife and mother when the reality is the opposite is incredible.

I remember someone long ago on Palin's Deceptions discussing a photograph of Sarah in which her knuckles were swollen, and saying it was a sure sign of bulimia. Now we see it confirmed in these new revelations. Although I think Sarah has now moved beyond anemia to anorexia. New and "improved" diet pills, perhaps?

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anonfornow
8/31/2011 12:16:23 am

So how did bulimia morph into anemia? Sorry! (Although she's probably anemic, too.)

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Karen
8/31/2011 12:24:32 am

Viola-alex,
How fitting that someone should post the new anon comments on this thread!

I totally agree with you that there needs to be accounting for people's actions in life. 9/3 just may be the occasion in this instance.

Peace, Karen

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lilly lily
8/31/2011 12:48:31 am

Perhaps Irene has grounded me more as to my profound belief that Palin has been deganged. She hopped on the Tea Party bandwagon, and the tea party is losing ground and gaining disgust at its antics.

Incidently the remark I made about "the suckers being taken in by Palin and her pretty face" is just below the person who actually made this observation is, "anonfor now". (English punctuation)

Without her photogenic looks she is zilch.

Dealing with hundreds of dollars of moldering items, and reading of the travails of people I know. (The girls I mentioned feeding 500 were slogging out the flooded liquor store in town yesterday, and the National Guard has cordoned off the town to protect it from looters). The town is completly in shambles.

Life continues and individual troubles become the troubles that social supports make almost bearable. They make one realize why and how important good will, and support by neighbors and our government are so worthwhile. The Tea baggers lose on this one. The current powers that be gain luster.

Fema is redeemed.

I wonder who Sarah is having her PAC investigate besides Gryphen.

Too bad McCain and Co didn't investigate Sarah Palin and her frauds.

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elizabeth
8/31/2011 01:03:49 am

Of everything we have read about Palin the thing that stands out most to me is her absolute obsession with her 'image'. Everything about her is basically a facade to project an illusion of something or someone that doesn't really exist. I imagine the majority of her time is spent just trying to 'be' Sarah Palin, not an easy task.

Based on that, I would ask AKM a very simple question, as I really do believe her to be an intelligent, logical person. Why would this person who puts image and other people's perception of her above ALL ELSE allow a 'rumor' that she didn't give birth to her own child persist beyond one day, when the proof of it was so simple - amazingly simple.

If anyone can answer that question I would be all ears.

What is most interesting to me and furthered confirmed by these most interesting "anon" emails is the fact that despite her power, money and 'blind allegiance' from many, Sarah Palin has not been able to find a way in any way, shape or form to prove that she gave birth to Trig - something that I think every single one of us who are mothers could have done within 5 minutes of asking.

I drove by a sign the other day on my way to work that said simply.

“Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it's not going away."

And that is what Sarah Palin wakes up to every morning - knowing that truth is not going away.

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Marie
8/31/2011 01:04:08 am

This article was in the Washington Post this morning. This man is getting a 21 month sentence for fabricating his military record and using that fake resume for personal gain. (He pretended to be a Green Beret and an expert in counterterrorism, among many other things.)

Why is it that this man is going to jail for lying about his background for personal gain, and Sarah Palin is not????

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/man-who-profited-from-fabricated-military-resume-is-sentenced-to-21-months/2011/08/30/gIQAnKHfqJ_story.html

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bristolarizonavideo
8/31/2011 01:11:06 am

They definitely messed with the archived video of Bristol doing her little Arizona house tour with Tripp. The footage has been sliced and re-edited and also sped up -- so what happens is you no longer see the fake Bristol body double with the weird wig, the thin one, and then the pregnant Bristol, and then the thin one again, and then the pregnant one again. They've also re-edited it to make it look like "Tripp" is giving the tour because he waves a couple of times, when in the original footage his participation wasn't so emphasized in the editing since Bristol is basically just dragging him along the whole time.

In this newly re-edited version the very last frame of "Bristol" in this footage is her body double, and if you look carefully you'll see the characteristic wig with the funky poof to it.

This same body double and wig were also used when Bristol gave that one speech behind the podium while pregnant post DWTS -- remember the one where she was wearing two different dresses at different points in the event? One was a purple dress and the other version looked like a similar dress but with a huge golden slip over top of it.

At that speeech, the body double was out doing the meet and greet with the funked up wig, and pregnant Bristol only briefly appeared behind that podium. She spoke in dark lighting while hiding her entire body behind the podium (no spotlight used on her onstage, it was very dark) and then you never saw pregnant Bristol at that event again.

In this house tour footage there used to be one very clear frame in which you could see real Bristol's very very pregnant gut even though she is still wearing one of those vest things -- there is a much briefer flash of that same image in this re-edited material.

Covering their tracks much? Geez. The production budget expended to edit out obvious images of her many pregnancies must at this point exceed the GDP of most Western nations.

And why the frick is any of it worth it? Was protecting Sarah's fundamentalists/pro-life image THAT worthwhile? Guess so.

http://www.eonline.com/news/bristol_palins_son_tripp_gives_grand/224531

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NSG
8/31/2011 01:13:50 am

Wow! Per WSJ, Palin NOT appearing in Iowa on 9/3!

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/08/31/sarah-palin-cancels-appearance-at-tea-party-rally-in-iowa/?mod=WSJBlog&mod=WSJ_Election_Blog

"Sarah Palin canceled her Saturday appearance at a tea party rally in Indianola, Iowa, a person close the former Alaska governor told The Wall Street Journal. The person cited “continual lying” from event organizers at Tea Party of America, including a recent mixup over whether former U.S. Senate candidate Christine O’Donnell of Delaware would also speak."

Heh. Couldn't stand the heat and got out of the kitchen?

Pass the popcorn, please!!!!

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Viola-Alex
8/31/2011 01:22:08 am

wow. just wow. Anon back. The comments here hopping. (Bristol video; double!) Palin canceling Iowa. Mudflats revelations. AND miracle of miracles, AKM allowing Triggate comments! That, my friends, is the Loudest Hiss of Palin Deflation!

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lilly lily
8/31/2011 01:25:06 am

Wonderful. She is scared.

So Ms. O'Donnell speaking at the very same event ticked Wasilla Prima Donna WGE into backing out?

Her following,(one of whose twitters I check out once a day to keep track of a representative avid bot), is going to be crushed. She was whooping it up for "darling future Madame President" speaking for weeks.

Absolutly delusional.

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Rationalist
8/31/2011 01:26:29 am

Thank you jj for bringing us up to date on Anon238.

A Reader: hear hear! I just got my kid back in school so I can finally get some work done and now all this activity in PalinLand. She derails me yet again.

For what it's worth: I understand Obama's dilemma in using his political capital to pursue the crimes of the previous administration. I feel there need to be truth & reconciliation, but I'm not sure this president is in a position to do it without giving up the entire rest of his agenda. The republicans are blocking him at every turn.

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Karen
8/31/2011 01:34:47 am

Lily lilly,
Just wanted to send good thoughts your way. We are Katrina survivors, 3 feet of water, lived away for 9 months while my husband rebuilt. Life is still marked by this event, like a watermark that never entirely disappears. The strain of that kind of catastrophe on such a large scale, in this event affecting thousands of municipal buildings, schools, hospitals, churches, you name it and hundreds of thousands of people (more than 100,000 households in New Orleans alone, another 100,000+ in surrounding parishes and states) takes a heavy toll on the people's psyche. Suicide rates were astronomical, premature deaths, heart attacks, etc., all part of the continuing toll.

That being said, if our governor, President or members of Congress had stood up there saying that we must *offset* the costs to pay for FEMA support or the billions of dollars needed to repair due to the decades of neglect by the Army Corps of Engineers (who had built the levys to stand up to a Category 4 while they crumbled at a Cat 3), I think the effect of that would have been massive in terms of outrage and grief and the thought that our country doesn't care about our lives. Hell, it might have headed off the resurgence of the Republican Party and the start of the Tea Party altogether.

A blessing, however, is being the recipient of great kindness and charity by people who just want to do something to help. We had carloads of school supplies, clothes, toys, toiletries, even furniture delivered to our temporary home in the Northeast. (We each had packed two bathing suits but no boots or coats to speak of...!)

So, kiss your kids/loved ones, hug your neighbor and realize that Things can be replaced. Average Americans do care and you will be the recipient of great good will and kindness. Sending you good wishes and dry thoughts.

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Viola-Alex
8/31/2011 01:35:11 am

Another bombshell-- picked up from comments at Mudflats. In the post, AKM refers to Levi as Palin's ex-son-in-law. hmmmmmm. . . i may need some champagne.

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Karen
8/31/2011 01:41:11 am

Holy cow! Mudflats is working off of archives because of the huge flood of traffic.

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lilly lily
8/31/2011 01:48:06 am

I always said she married them in her capacity to do so, and then unmarried them without any by your leave from either of the kids.

Mayors and Governors can do that but where is the marriage certificate etc?

Bristol must hate her mother. I think she is going to lose her reality show, which would be the best thing for Tripp.

Bristol charisma is non existant. Her charm is a bit like trying to chew gum that someone stuck under a cinema seat. No flavor, no joy, just a lump of nothing. Cows cud.

Sarah is probably doped up good and snuggled up with Piper in her bedroom clutching one of her childs teddy bears.

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Beaglemom
8/31/2011 01:48:07 am

Thank you, Viola-Alex, for your honesty and for your integrity.

I, too, want to see Sarah Palin get her comeuppance - in the public arena - so she knows that she is done. The damage that she and the Republican Party did during the 2008 campaign has led to the mess we're in today - complete intransigence on their part and their absolute refusal to allow the country rebuild after the disaster of the Bush years. They welcomed the racism and the fake religiosity and have honed it so that now all Republican contenders for the White House have to kowtow to the "Tea Bag Party."

Yes, I truly want to see Sarah Palin disintegrate - in public - and I want to see John McCain say, also in public, that he made a huge error in picking her as a running mate in 2008 and then I want to see him apologize for the ugliness of the political rhetoric of the last several years.

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Viola-alex
8/31/2011 01:52:22 am

@Beaglemom. I hadn't thought of that. John McCain apologizing! Wouldn't that set the heavens afire. You're so right. That IS what is needed here.

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V ictoria link
8/31/2011 02:02:03 am

How can McCain apologize for this? I hope he does - it would be the most heroic thing that he's done in decades - but there will be so much egg on his face that he could serve a lumberjack crew at a buffet.

On the other hand if he doesn't apologize he can kiss his Sunday morning gigs good-bye.

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JJ
8/31/2011 02:04:36 am

I just love all of you guys - our fearless host Laura, the insightful commenters, and the overall tone of this blog. I have been following the Palin saga for 3 years now, and though I don't comment much, I appreciate the long hours so many of you have put into researching and keeping the faith that SP's day of reckoning will occur. Especially since my own family is soooo sick of hearing about her, I am grateful for all of you. Alas, I wish that there was some way for all of us to meet in the real world.

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Viola-Alex
8/31/2011 02:14:24 am

@JJ - funny. I thought exactly the same thing this morning. That if Palin is exposed - who would I really celebrate with? How would I be able to thank all the anonymous commenters and fearless bloggers who contributed?

A Convention Hall in Berkeley? A Holiday Inn in Alaska?

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anonfornow
8/31/2011 02:25:45 am

Lilly Lily, another Katrina survivor here saying, My heart goes out to you. Take care of yourself. I buried some loved ones after the storm who succumbed to the stress of it all. My take away from the entire experience? "Things" are a millstone around our necks. Use your china and linen tablecloths rather than "saving them." Disaster brings out the best in good people and the worst in assholes. And people will find a way to laugh even when nothing is really funny. ("Is that a coffin in my backyard? Hahaha.") Good luck.

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Karen
8/31/2011 02:25:52 am

I imagine a Trekkie convention--everyone wearing too-big shoes, empathy bellies and flag pins!

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Rationalist
8/31/2011 02:40:11 am

I've also thought of some kind of "ding dong the witch is dead" celebration, but my gut feeling is that if and when she implodes, it's going to be tragic and sad. I would still lOve to get together and meet everyone I've "known" on these blogs for the past three years.

You do realize, don't you, that today marks the third anniversary of McCain's announcement? Three looooooong years.

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Ottoline
8/31/2011 02:43:57 am

I have an idea for a celebration after all this is over: a passworded web site with a blog on which we can post photos and videos of ourselves and get to know each other. Only Regina, Laura, Jesse, etc., pass out the passwords. A private party of those of us who have been at it for all this time. Audrey, Bree, LitBrit, all of us. A joint celebration. Just a thought.

BUT: Let's not count chickens yet. We've been here before. Let's see what the books and blogs of Sept bring.

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Molly
8/31/2011 02:52:38 am

Rationalist...the same thought just occurred to me!

Hot damn, but today feels good. I've had to change my dinner plans from a chicken pie to a thrown together mess that will be ready in twenty minutes. I'm on the other side of the pond and I don't want to miss a minute of this!

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Rationalist
8/31/2011 02:54:20 am

i agree. No counting chickens. But good idea, ottoline.

P.s. The Reborn baby dolls are unnerving, especially the ones with closed eyes. They even breathe.

Sick.

Fake baby for speeches, nyquil for tv interviews and the RNC.

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NSG
8/31/2011 03:07:23 am

Arggghhh! I have SO much to do today! But. Cannot. Pull. Myself. Away....

Will try, but will be back. :)

Thanks, all, for the tidbits, insight and mahvelous commentary!

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Sharon_Too_Also
8/31/2011 03:07:48 am

And Bumpits! Lord, don't forget the bumpits. Sign me up for the party - we need to dance in the streets. It would feel just like the old days in Berkeley...

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lilly lily
8/31/2011 03:14:34 am

I may have posted something causing some misconception here. My only personal damages were spoiled foodstuffs, downed tree limbs, no electricty and no hopes of it for a few more days. My trials are simple and not too irritating. A lot a detours, missed brunches with friends and darkness, my old friend.

As I am currently writing a novel taking place in 1807 it gives me a feel for the past which I was attempting to get by acting as if I were living then, Candlelight etc.

I haven't been affected by flooding though I have a stream yards downhill from my house. It is a feeder stream to a river that has never flooded into the house. (Though I haven't checked my basement and I should.) Now River Road, THAT is a mess as are many town roads that never had flooding before. The local park that was the King of Morroco property prior is now a Spa and Restaurant and public park,(an old estate )was a lake instead of a river on the lower riverside, but that peaked on Sunday, and was gone by Monday.

Mostly downed huge old trees on roadways, houses and cars. Downed power lines causing closings as well as high water. Plus no power, which really doesn't bother me at all. Not as terrible as other areas.

Some towns like the one I mentioned in writing are devastated, and the problems, headaches and heartaches are only are only beginning.

The man of that household is a brilliant alcoholic jerk. Once threatened to shoot me,(lol), but his children and wife are gems. And he supplied the funds and prepped goods for his children and wifes outpouring of help. That I can respect though he will revert to type soon enough. A rich sob.

So far co-operation and good responces may make the cleanup of Irene workable, not the mess that was so apparent in the wake of Katrina.

Perhaps people do learn. I'm sure there will be snafus, but who knows for sure what the next hurricane "Katia" will bring.

Thanking everyone for your good thoughts and well wishes.

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Laura Novak link
8/31/2011 03:16:32 am

Just back from first day of school coffee.

LORD WHAT HAVE I MISSED????!!!!***** (ellipses too!)

Any of you, all of you...we need a summary of the cutting room floor bombshells!!!

I'm going over to Mudflats now. If you don't hear from me within the hour, come looking for me.

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lilly lily
8/31/2011 03:20:47 am

Oh and Sarah is POSSIBLY going, but will speak on Friday if at all. Will she, won't she, will she won't she? She is showing her colors.

Palin can't stand sharing a spot with the younger witch. Maybe O'Donnell should paint her face green for the event.

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Ottoline
8/31/2011 03:23:50 am

Ken Morris says: August 31, 2011 at 8:34 AM

To set the record straight, that WAS a typo about Levi. It should have read, “almost-son-in-law”. No conspiracy theory hidden in this text; Jeanne and I just missed that error. It happens. Sorry for all the unintended intrigue (there’s plenty here and more to come).

Ken

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curiouser
8/31/2011 03:31:48 am

Melly - I found Audrey's post late last night while googling names of Palin staffers. It jogged my memory of reading the post way back when. I also saw that all but the dark-haired woman were identified in the comments. Sheesh! It was also interesting to see how many of those commenting are here now.

It doesn't look like PD exhausted all possible sources to identify the video date so I'll hold out hope that can be done...but it may not be necessary as it seems things may be crashing down all around Palin now and in the near future.

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B
8/31/2011 03:34:52 am

Heading for Mudflats now. But make sure you see anon-anon's new comments at IM, posted in Broomfield thread and copied onto current thred. More coming 9/3.

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Mary
8/31/2011 03:41:48 am

Laura, same here! I've been waiting for a day when I log on to IM, etc. after being away from the computer for awhile, and find that something big went down! Woo to the hoo! Can't wait to read their upcoming revelations!

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NSG
8/31/2011 03:42:44 am

***Whiplash-in-Iowa Update***

(Obviously not getting my work done...)

From NBC News...

"Tea Party of America President Ken Crow told NBC News, "I had to cancel Ms. O'Donnell" after a conversation with Sarah Palin aides -- and is now hopeful Palin will attend the Saturday rally in Indianola.

He was told by Palin's team that he'd have a final answer shortly.

This comes after failed Delaware Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell was in, then out, then back in, and now indefinitely out. And Palin was in, then "on hold."

The group has spent about $100,000 on the event for Palin and are thus waiting "with baited breath" for an answer. An official press release will come out after Palin people give Crow final word.

NBC News has not received comment from Palin's team so far."

7541480-tea-party-organizer-had-to-cancel-christine-odonnell-to-get-palin-to-attend

She's throwing a temper tantrum over Christine! Buy stock in Fridgidaire! Just more... wow.

I sure hope Anon238 is getting some good info and shares it with us soon.

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NSG
8/31/2011 03:45:36 am

Oops.

MSNBC link got cut off:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/31/7541480-tea-party-organizer-had-to-cancel-christine-odonnell-to-get-palin-to-attend

Puh-leeze.

If she's let off the hook in any way shape or form for this "thin skinned" and "quitter" and "pay attention to meeeee" desperate behavior, the problems in our media are even greater than I've imagined.

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Laura Novak link
8/31/2011 03:52:11 am

Okay, I'm back from Mudflats. Wow. Soft porn photos in the bedroom. Bedtime at 5pm. Not eating for days then buying up all the breaded carbs in the area to take into her bedroom.

Didn't I call an eating disorder a few weeks ago?

Off to the other blogs to see what's going down.

Wow, my head is spinning. I'll never get any work done at this rate.

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Molly
8/31/2011 03:55:04 am

Laura...just go with the flow!

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silver
8/31/2011 03:56:54 am

Viola-Alex, thank you for having the courage to share your story and add me to the list of those who wish you peace.

I've said from the beginning that I will always be on the side of the children. In the midst of all this mess sometimes I'm reminded that Sarah was a child at one time too and her father seems to have had problems when he grew up and I have a feeling something bad happened to her because of it. Many times the abuse continues if there is no intervention.

Not only is Sarah abusing her children with her wild actions, she's abusing the whole nation, (with the media being the biggest enabler) and it has to be stopped.

There are children in the morning
They are leaning out for love
And they will lean that way forever

~ Leonard Cohen ~

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NSG
8/31/2011 03:58:28 am

Laura FTW!

I'm obsessed with the MSM's coverage -- hopeful that we're seeing the trickle in the dam, from whence will flow ALL the ugly truth.

They started covering the Christine in Iowa story yesterday, so today, they can't overlook Palin's cuh-razy reactions.

Now Politico's got it: "The Candidate from Chaos"

"When Jonathan Martin wrote last October about Sarah Palin's organizational struggles, she responded furiously, denouncing the story and calling him a “punk” and an “idiot.”

And here’s what happened today:

Sarah Palin canceled her Saturday appearance at a tea party rally in Indianola, Iowa, a person close the former Alaska governor told The Wall Street Journal.

...

The Journal does note, however, that she “could still attend” the rally she’s reportedly skipping:

...

(Her protégé O’Donnell, meanwhile, will still speak at the event after being invited to speak, uninvited and finally restated again.)

UPDATE: Event organizer Charlie Gruschow told Molly Ball that Palin hasn't actually called them to cancel:

UPDATE: The Tea Party rally organizers have reportedly uninvited O'Donnell again, according to NBC.

***********

I'll have to go buy extra popcorn at this rate....

And not getting anything useful done.

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Sharon_Too_Also
8/31/2011 04:16:59 am

@NSG OMG that organizer guy is an idiot! He just outed SP as a temperamental bitch to a major TV station. Oh this is a joy to watch...

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lilly lily
8/31/2011 04:20:09 am

If the media doesn't pick up on this kerkuffle, plus Mudfats posting, they really are bought and sold by the powers behind Palin.

Come, come there has to be a tipping point somehow. A complete vaciliating, thin skinned nut case in the White House with the nuclear codes at her bony fingertips?

Will she or won't she call a nuclear strike? Will she or won't she start a war over nothing except someone insulted her? The thinnest skin in politics today, ready to blow at any minute. Only it won't be cans agains a refrigerator door, it will be nuclear weaponry.

A middle school ninny Valley girl as possible candidate for the Presidency?

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NSG
8/31/2011 04:28:55 am

Random thought: Curious if Rove or one of his minions will be out flogging this "thin-skinned" episode, or if he'll let it speak for itself.

Something else to watch for....

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lilly lily
8/31/2011 04:41:00 am

I'm wrung out.

Am going to plug my dead cell phone into the outlet here since I have no power and go read something light and funny.

Gee, I don't even know teenagers who behave as idiotically as this woman does.

What is Palin going to pull next. Lie on the floor screaming whilst drumming her little red heels on the floor until the idiots running that stupid hot air balloon lalapaloozer event cave into every demand in her empty litle head?

This reminds me of the epic fight between Helen Keller at the dinner table with Miss Sullivan. Watch it and think of Palin as the blind and deaf disadvantaged but incredably spoilt girl in that episode of the Miracle Worker.

Someone needs to teach that spoilt rotten bitch a lesson. Tell her to go to hell for a change.

In fact I'm going to watch it right now on youtube.

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Sharon_Too_also
8/31/2011 04:48:32 am

Blog jumping this morning and while reading comments at AKM someone mentioned that this post is part of an article to be published - have no idea if this is true and didn't check it out - but if that is true, I see a bit of retaliation against Joe McG in the works. Wouldn't be surprised if they didn't want to take the wind out of his sails before his publication date. Take that, Joe! Who cares, just bring it on and let us experience the pure joy of watching Sarah Palin twist herself into knots and meltdown before our very eyes.

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lilly lily
8/31/2011 04:52:11 am

Breakfast Scene from "the Miracle Worker".

Annie Sullivan tames Helen Keller who has become the family tyrant.

http://www.youtube.com/watchv=EHwoRFe70jk

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NSG
8/31/2011 05:09:08 am

Well, I just attempted a HuffPo comment with a Mudflats link. (Under the "Sarah Paline Stirs Controversy" article.) I tried to make the point that perhaps Sarah's "erratic" behavior isn't just about O'Donnell, but maybe because she's freaking out about what's beginning to hit the fan. I mentioned Joe & Levi's books, and I referenced the Mudflats reporting.

I'll be interested to see if my subtlety gets thru moderation -- would be nice to introduce some of these discussions to a new audience. :)

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Exp:Nov.05/08
8/31/2011 05:18:09 am

I'd like to echo all of the sentiments toward Viola-Alex. Thanks so much for sharing your story, V-A. The kind of road to personal healing that you describe is very tough, and it never ends, but it gets easier. And the reward is great - you get your whole self. You're in my thoughts.

Also sending my thoughts and good energy to those of you dealing with the aftermath of Irene.

I guess I'm what's described as a 'lurker'. I've been reading these Palin blogs for almost three years, commenting occasionally (maybe if I commented more often, my posts would be shorter ;) ).
My interest is probably a result of my own family background. I've suffered abuse and witnessed secret pregnancies myself, and this hoax rang my alarm bells from the beginning. It's just wild to me that something so public could continue for so long.
But not unbelievable.

Regarding the video, I can't watch it, but I think Palin could have had a doll onstage. For one thing, those dolls can be equipped with animatronics, heartbeats, and small movements to mimic breathing. Not such a stretch.

Another thing - kids are nothing but little animals to Palin, until they're old enough to cause her real trouble. SP wouldn't have to explain anything.

Not that Piper's stupid - she's just been raised to NOT QUESTION ANYTHING. It's very sad. This is something about the unhealthy/abusive dynamic that normal-functioning people seem to have a hard time getting. How could you bring a doll in a sling to an event, and hide it from an inquisitive six or seven year old sister?
The answer is, she's been trained not to be inquisitive of her mother.
That's my take, anyway, having been a child who's been there myself.
Someone like Sarah Palin would never hesitate to keep things from, or lie to, a child, even or (considering what she has to hide) especially her own.

As for anon238's further comments, I'm excited. If Sarah is aware that someone in her inner circle is spilling, she is trying like crazy to figure out what she has to do next. Sarahnoia! I am hoping that she is right now trying to fabricate a solid answer for her Trig hoax. She'll try to "get ahead" of it. And then the facts and information that all of you bloggers and commenters have been amassing since '08 will be an open book.
THIS is where the MSM will come for the details that they should have been looking for back then. And IM, PoG, PG, ML, etc. And Brad Scharlott will be deluged with requests. And they will swarm in like vultures to try to break the story they failed to break when it mattered most.
It still matters, though. It really matters that a sitting Governor and VP nominee was enabled to perpetrate something so dark and evil. Using a child, a baby. So ugly, and so unnecessary.
And that the media went along with all the lies, and fed what they were swallowed. Disgusting.

I haven't read Mudflats in a long time, but I am heading over there right now.

All of you deserve a huge hug for all your diligence and hard work, doing what the MSM should have done and should be doing. It makes me sick to hear CNN just today asking young conservative women if they admire Palin, and even sicker to hear a few of them say yes, and then cite the various media lies that have made up the brand known as Sarah Palin to back up their admiration. It's like a mass hallucination! And then further still to hear - again - that the big, bad media has really gone out of their way and tried to make Palin look bad.

And that people actually believe that!

I will be celebrating in my way with you all when this finally breaks.




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K.M.R
8/31/2011 05:25:55 am

Holy smokes. OMG.
A shout out to everyone who knew Sarah Palin was and is a very disturbed woman. She's coming undone.
I'm going to have to stayed clued to my computer at this rate, but first, I want to thank bristolarizonavideo for finding the video I mentioned this morning (or was that yesterday?) My head is spinning.





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Karen
8/31/2011 05:30:26 am

Lilly lily, It was this sentence that had me confused: "Dealing with hundreds of dollars of moldering items, and reading of the travails of people I know." Glad to hear you are well and enjoying the candlelight. The Eric Cantor statements had my blood boiling today. Stupid Teathuglicans. Would love to read your book!

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Viola-Alex
8/31/2011 05:36:29 am

While we're waiting for the next bombshell, consider purchasing Laura's comic novel "Finding Clarity." Click on the link above right for the Kindle version or on the Scribd link above right for a download to your computer or laptop. Either one is just 4.99.

I bought "Clarity" when Laura first unveiled it, just to be kind. THEN I LOVED it. Thankfully, it has nothing to do with Sarah Palin-- but is a story about a smart, funny former-journalist who suddenly finds herself having to be a detective. Toss in an adorable dwarf, some rich Republicans, Weight Watchers, and the worst restaurant in CA, and I promise it's not like any detective story you've read.

It's a small way to thank Laura for the work she does, providing this open forum, free to all and no advertisements.

I read "Finding Clarity" on my laptop, which wasn't an optimal experience, but the book was so much fun, I hardly noticed. It also made me feel very modern!

Just a word among friends!


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K.M.R
8/31/2011 06:11:03 am

Juxtapose what we've learned today from the Mudflat's post with this latest except from Vanity Fair.
http://tinyurl.com/nlydd8

Levi’s Story

"The Palins didn’t have dinner together and they didn’t talk much as a family. Throughout the years I spent with them, when Sarah got home from her office—almost never later than five and sometimes as early as noon—she usually walked in the door, said hello, and then disappeared into her bedroom, where she would hang out. Sometimes she’d take an hour-long bath. Other times she sat on the living-room couch in her two-piece pajama set from Walmart—she had all the colors—with her hair down, watching house shows and wedding shows on TV. She always wanted things and she wanted other people to get them for her. If she wanted a movie, Bristol and I would go to the video store; if she wanted food, we’d get her something to eat, like a Crunchwrap Supreme from Taco Bell. She’d try to bribe everyone to clean the house, or give us guilt trips. She used to make Bristol feel bad by telling her that she did everything for her. This was unfair because, even before the campaign, Bristol was already the mom in the house, and she got tired of having to take care of her siblings. She and her mom fought a lot. “I hate her” definitely came out of Bristol’s mouth about Sarah, but that may have just been because she was mad at her mother. Those two definitely didn’t get along much, especially after the campaign, when the cameras wouldn’t leave Bristol alone and her family wasn’t there for her."

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Phyllis
8/31/2011 06:13:04 am

curiouser @ Aug.31 10:31

Regarding the Palin and staff video.
I'm pretty sure the brown haired lady is Joan Brown, she's the Chief Budget Analyst for the Office of Management and Budget in Alaska. Sarah apparently had meetings with Mike Tibbles,Michael Nizich,Karen Rehfeld and Joan Brown in June 2007 about the state budget. Meetings were for about a 2 week period according to an email Sarah sent to Kari Spencer.

I've always believed this video was made in 2007 because of the glasses Sarah has on. She wore these glasses in 07 and in late Dec.07 she bought her new glasses she wore during the campaign.

Tried to find a picture of the Brown woman but I couldn't find one.
The only other emails I found that mentioned Joan Brown were from May 2008.

Here's the email from Sarah to Kari.
1:11 PM 29 Jun 2007 [ View original ]
from: Gov. Sarah Palin
to: Spencer, Kari L (GOV), Todd Palin
We love you Kari!!!



We want this to be an invigorating and exciting time for you - not too exciting so you can
have peace and fun in the position - but new open doors bringing new, good things.



We just unrolled our $237,000,000 in budget cuts. Ughhhhh! Brutal!!! Karen Rehfeld is a
master, a brilliant mind, and wonderful person and I am amazed at what she and Joan
accomplished with this budget. I had them so wrapped around the axle on line items and I
know I drove them crazy with so many questions - they were amazing in putting this all
together for our press conference today. I'm wiped out - the rest of administration
probably is too.



I told Meg we released the budget - now she can go have her baby. (They're inducing on
Sunday!). She's worried about missing Monday's AGIA RFA roll-out.



Anyway, crazy two weeks - I hope and pray you will love your position. From the bottom of
my heart I thank you for your awesome attitude and the example you're setting through this
chapter in our administration's life and through changes in your own life. Thank you Kari.

Sent from my BlackBerrye device from Cellular one

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curiouser
8/31/2011 06:13:04 am

I just finished 'Finding Clarity'. Wish I was capable of adequately describing how much I loved it. (The characters and some events had a John Irving--possibly my favorite novelist--feel to me.) Laura took such care developing the characters and plot, weaving love and humor throughout. I shed some tears at the end.

I read it on my computer using Scribd, unable to figure out how to use the related e-reader. I'd suggest downloading the Kindle version. There's free e-reader software for those who don't own a Kindle.

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mary
8/31/2011 06:19:14 am

@Sharon_Too-also, I agree about the timing of this. An eye for an eye is what it looks like...

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Molly
8/31/2011 06:20:43 am

Thanks for the reminder V-A. I just bought it on Amazon. I will have to read it on my computer...I can't snuggle down with it.

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litbrit link
8/31/2011 06:22:43 am

Good HEAVENS.

I've been catching up with the past week's postings, and oh my, what to say?

Like many here, I doubted the ridiculous pregnancy story/stories, starting on Day One, and I have been following the whole sordid tale ever since. It's amazing that it has been three whole years, and still, there is nothing about Palin's outrageous, unconscionable hoax--or McCain's complicity and duplicity--in the commercial media.

As I've said before, I got to the point, last summer ('10), where I simply *had* to add my voice to the chorus and say, NO WAY. No way did Mrs. Palin give birth in 2008. To any baby. We've been over all the "tells" so many times: the fluctuating fundus; the square-belly in the video (that one is a favorite of a few guy friends--in fact, that one scene in that one video has convinced more male friends than women that Palin faked it all, oddly enough); the crossing-legs-and-leaning-forward (OW! SO not possible...) and so on and so on.

So I did. I said what I saw, what I knew, and what I thought. I took a lot of heat for it, too, from the expected sources (Palinbots) but also from fellow liberal feminists. I remain puzzled as to how they can give Palin a pass on such reprehensible, dishonest behavior simply because she is a woman and the matters of concern are unavoidably gendered ones: to do with pregnancy, childbirth, and motherhood. In fact, I'd say Palin uses this to her advantage: "No-one would dare question the details of my childbirth! How deranged!"

I am much too far away from Alaska, geographically speaking, to have been of much help investigating this hoax. And I've not really had anything new to add since last summer, but I am glad Laura and others have kept at it, because look at the developments we've seen in the case! Not the least of which was the wow-factor of those photos of Mrs. Palin coming out of the museum. Several female friends saw them and said, "Whoa, Deborah, you know what, you're right. Jeeeeebus."

And now we've got someone on the inside in collusion with someone ostensibly on the outside, and he or she is singing like a canary. (I am going to take a very wild guess that the writer and the person whom Palin "wrung out" is one and the same person, and that person is RAM. Just a guess, based on some language stuff, yes, but also because no-one else had guessed her yet and I am always game for betting on the outsider.)

Has Andrew Sullivan had anything of note to say about all this new material?

Most importantly, do Laura and everyone here think there will be any kind of apology to us "truthers" for the snide, belittling, nasty, insulting stuff they've all said over the years as they clung to their illusion that Palin was telling the truth and we should "just trust women" (as though having a vagina automatically confers trustworthiness)? I'm looking at you, Dave Weigel, as well as that Justin guy at Slate (?) Amanda at Pandagon, Melissa at Shakesville, Meghan at Jezebel and The Guardian, the now-defunct Edge of the American West, and more.

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Molly
8/31/2011 06:23:43 am

@Sharon too also. Yup, but who could blame her.

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curiouser
8/31/2011 06:27:06 am

Phyllis - Thanks so much for your input and possible identification of Joan Brown. I'll see if I can find her listed on Sarah's calendar.

Her position as Budget Analyst would also make her a likely participant at the Feb and March '08 governor's staff supplemental capital budget meetings. I enlarged a still from the video in question and Sarah's glasses look the same as the ones she wore to the March 28 '08 meeting with Hollis French.

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Molly
8/31/2011 06:27:20 am

@Litbrit...you forgot Linkins from Huffpo and Julia O'Malley.

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Viola-Alex
8/31/2011 06:31:55 am

@SharonTooAlso - yup thrice

@Exp:Nov.05/08 - thank you-- and hope you'll comment more often.

@K.M.R. - agreed! Levi's words always had the ring of truth, for me.

@litbrit - glad to see you here again. I loved your Palin posts.

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Laura Novak link
8/31/2011 06:41:21 am

V-A, Molly and Curiouser - thank you so much for these comments and your efforts about my book, Finding Clarity.

I love that I remind you of John Irving. Wow, if that isn't the greatest compliment, I don't know what is.

And despite the humor and satire, the last page always makes me cry too. It's just that way.

Thank you for being early adapters on Scribd. Now that my novel is up on KINDLE, it's SO easy to read on their reader, or download Kindle for Mac, PC or iPad and read on a lap. Thank you again! I can't tell you how much it means to a struggling author!

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Laura Novak link
8/31/2011 06:43:56 am

And LitBrit, there is a long line of you who should receive apologies for the slights and dirty stares. I'm only picking up the rear on a story that never made sense and always made my skin crawl.

Her hair in the turkey slicing/grinding video was so awful, something was clearly wrong. Her weight loss, the comments from the campaign, a family that never passed the sniff test to me. I frankly don't know how anyone could NOT see through it. But that's just me.

Oh and you amazing folks. Welcome to anyone who is new. Pick a "stage name" and join us. There's so much fun new stuff to discuss I don't know that any of us know where to begin.

And Anon at IM, whoever you are. Keep on truckin' as they used to say.

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K.M.R
8/31/2011 06:54:59 am

Laura, I do so love a good book and I'm sure yours won't disappoint, but I like an actual book book. I spend too much time on the computer as it is and my dear husband feels neglected sometimes.
Okay, so that's my excuse. I will try to let go of it and go to Scribd or Amazon. I'll try but have you thought of self publishing?

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Lidia17
8/31/2011 06:55:35 am

[I had posted this on the wrong thread, so sorry about the duplication—(blush)]

@Viola-Alex, it’s good to hear how you came through to the other side from a very dark place. I agree about comparisons to other atrocities: this kind of abuse is of a different quality because it is inflicted by someone who is supposed to love you and keep you from harm. It’s right that you finally brought the situation to the eyes of your family, even if they did not want to see.

@anonfornow, couldn’t agree more

@mary, I don’t see any bump either.

@Ottoline, yes, and that’s part and parcel with the stuff Greenwald was discussing, isn’t it? It’s like Americans are now just so INURED to theft and corruption and now even torture, that they just roll their eyes and go back to either playing, or worrying about more personal issues. And financial crimes are apparently just too “boring” and “complicated” for a society which measures itself in Tweets, or maybe they are so common that a general rejection of morality and ethics has become endemic. So, yeah… babygate breaking does have the best possibility of cutting through that complacency, just because it is so bizarre.

@jeff, isn’t it amazing that Cheney is doubling-down on all his lies and crimes? Even his recent brushes with mortality haven’t softened him a bit, nor given him an iota of humility. If anything, he’s coming across as more aggressive than before!

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Laura Novak link
8/31/2011 07:01:02 am

Thank you, KMR. Amazon Kindle is the way to go b/c it looks just like a book and is easier to read. So, if you do buy it, that's what I recommend. And it's more portable to a laptop if that's what you decide.

It is in essence self-publishing. But in terms of printing out Finding Clarity. Eventually, I guess. But I am a one man band and with the blog work, can only move so fast.

So, this Kindle version is it for now. And any and all support is welcome. (and Sarah Palin is mentioned a few times in the book!) Thank you!!

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lilly lily
8/31/2011 07:02:40 am

Dream on lit brit. The smart ass idiots will never admit they are jackasses. Never...never...never.

David Weigel was one of the silliest. Anyone in the medicine knows how to evade answering leading queries. That call to Mat Su. Dare one call that phone conversation contrived, or to be charitable, beyond ridiculous. Didn't Mat Su deny anyone on their staff would speak to a casual caller or reporter in such airy fairy Oh everyone knows that way. Sure everyone knows the moon is made of green cheese. And the cow jumped over the moon, the dish ran away with the spoon, and so on.

And the coverup will continue. When will the main stream media actually do some digging beneath this liars wild ride pitch that they ate up, hook, line and sinker, for public consumption.

The only one in the Palin Johnston mess I believed was Levi. I think he is an honest bloke.

The palinbot I follow once a day on her twitter seems a tiny bit rattled.

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Lidia17
8/31/2011 07:06:01 am

@litbrit, it was one of your posts back in the summer of 2010 that made me think: "I have had ENOUGH of this", and which encouraged me to make my videos. They haven't had the success of many LOLcats, but even if I convinced a few hundred people out of the few thousand who watched them, it's at least something, hopefully something that will have propagated among their friends and families.

What else can we do but continue to give "testimony"??

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K.M.R
8/31/2011 07:11:08 am

Thank you Laura for answering so quickly.
My sister self published and had good results... but that was in 2001. The times they are a'changing.
Here is her website for anyone who would like to take a peek:
http://www.silverandgold.swva.net/author.htm

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Sharon_Too_Also
8/31/2011 07:19:06 am

@ lily lily

Re: "The palinbot I follow once a day on her twitter seems a tiny bit rattled."

....witnessing a train wreck will to that to you.

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Rationalist
8/31/2011 07:31:13 am

I actually got my email inbox partly emptied between my obsessive morning Palin blog session and this afternoon. I'm checking quickly in.

I have to manage this obsession!

Anyway, to LitBrit - first of all, hi!!

Secondly: Andrew Sullivan is on vacation and his underbloggers have the helm. This always seems to happen when something big is going on.

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Lidia17
8/31/2011 07:52:14 am

I asked over at mudflats:

"Hey, just curious… how come you are allowing all this fake pregnancy chatter at this late date, whereas before it had been blocked/purged?

"That pregnancy hoax "cleansing" drove a lot of your commenters/audience away. What was the rationale of not being open to babygate? Do you feel it has been worth it to deny what is now obvious? I'm truly interested as to the dynamics here."

@Laura, I have an uncle who self-published using xlibris, I think it was. He sent my mom a real physical book. I don't know what the costs involved are to the author, if any. The price was a "real" book price, IIRC. He wrote under a pseudonym which I cannot now recall, so I can't even bring up his page, funnily enough.

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SunnyVee
8/31/2011 07:52:20 am

For once, may my comment be brief.
1) high-fives, hugs, respect...and at the very least, thanks to Laura and the commenters here for being such a POSITIVE place to discuss.
2) even when Scarah falls...which I absolutely will celebrate...I would caution against gloating.

In my experience, the times when I have enjoyed gloating have each come back to bite me. Sometimes hard.
Meanwhile, the times when I thought I would celebrate most loudly turned out to be just sad and pitiful, instead.

Lately, I just think about the kids and family, and how many people this sick woman has made miserable...and its just sad and pitiful.

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Sharon_Too_Also
8/31/2011 07:54:51 am

More blog hopping has resulted in finding this gem:

"This “clusterf**k” in Indianola gives liberals in the media another chance to dump on Palin, as if this were all somehow her fault, when Palin had nothing to do with what went wrong."

From this blog: http://theothermccain.com/

On this post: Indianola ‘Clusterf**k’ UPDATE: Iowa Rally Organizer Trashes Palin to NBC News? UPDATE: Palin Blames O’Donnell?

They're freaking out over there - frantically trying to blame everybody but Palin for the mess. This is just a preview of Repugs heads blowing up when all the brown stuff hits the fan. Oh, happy day!

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Lidia17
8/31/2011 07:57:47 am

Lilly-lily, you are so right about How Lame David Weigel is. I would go one step further and posit that he asked questions that HE KNEW were not going to give a fruitful response. Because no one can truly be that dumb while maintaining the syntactic coherence that he appears to maintain.

I have always thought there is something creepy about Weigel's unmerited ascendancy.

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ohionana
8/31/2011 08:06:11 am

Laura...your book is the first book I have ever paid money for on my Kindle. I have had it about a month and have only download free books.

I look forward to reading it.

Keep up the good work with this blog. It is very important that everyone keep on turning over the rocks and exposing the creepy things underneath.

This whole on again/off again/on again meeting in Iowa is a good example why this woman should NEVER be allowed to be in charge of anything ever again!

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Laura Novak link
8/31/2011 08:12:29 am

Ohioana, thank you! I really appreciate it. I only posted it to Kindle about a week ago. So perhaps you bought the Scribd version. I think the Kindle reads easier, but either way, thank you! I truly appreciate your support.

And yes, that Weigel thing-a-palooza was just about the lowest form of "journalism" to come down the pike. It was embarrassing. The entire system seems corrupt from management, to editors, on down.

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Sharon_Too_Also
8/31/2011 08:17:49 am

@SunnyVee

Appropriately enough, my gloating comment followed yours calling for a careful moratorium on Schadenfreude.

I hear you but I also hear the voices of so many who have watched, waited, read, contributed and in so many other ways, exhibited an oh-so-justied fear for what this ugly woman represented in our lives and the future of our country.

Sarah Palin is an adult, she made choices to do and say things that, unfortunately, have effected us all. She could have stopped at any time. Instead she chose up the stakes and dared anyone to bring her down. Well, now it looks like she's going down and those of us who have watched and waited for so long deserve our moment too. What I'm experiencing is relief and if that results in a bit of snarck - well, I reserve the right to it.

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Sharon_Too_Also
8/31/2011 08:24:08 am

Laura,

All this excitement has resulted in some interesting new words, i.e., my comment above using the word 'justied' that really should be 'justified'.

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Laura Novak link
8/31/2011 08:26:10 am

Sharon TA, that's okay. We're all writing fast and furious here these past few days. My eyes are blurry from writing so much. And of course we all have other jobs and children and lives to run. So, typos are welcome. As are ellipses!!

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lilly lily
8/31/2011 08:29:58 am

I truly hope this is her last hurrah and that she is circling down the drain at last.

She has been the kiss of death for everything and everybody she breathes on.

Bye, bye tea Party and Mr. Crow. Just like Ms. O'Donnell, Sarah will stamp on your little black heart.

This woman has the nerve to talk about common sense?

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Smirnonn
8/31/2011 08:49:51 am

Maybe it's just my optimistic outlook today but it really feels like the end of SP as a celebrity/faux politician is near. There's so much going on and so much new information that the momentum towards SP irrelevance is palpable!

After reading the post on Mudflats and the new post from Anon I gotta say I think I need a nap :) What a day!!

@Viola-Alex:
Reread your post over by Gryphens blog. Someone posted it there. It touched me just as much as the first time I read it here. I had a very "interesting" upbringing as well. Kudos to you for finding your serenity. Namaste.

@K.M.R:
Thanks for posting the Vainity Fair article - I forgot about that. I feel bad for Levi - he seems like a relatively nice kid. Shame he got all entangled in the Palin family.

@lilly lily:
"I truly hope this is her last hurrah and that she is circling down the drain at last."
From your keyboard to God's web browser, or something like that. The sooner, the better IMO.

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mary
8/31/2011 08:53:32 am

Regarding the chaos in Iowa, this is the headline I'd like to see on Wonkette: "Following Drama in Iowa, Tea Party and MSM Forced to Admit: Sarah Palin is a gigantic asshole."

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Smirnonn
8/31/2011 08:56:06 am

@Lidia17:

"@jeff, isn’t it amazing that Cheney is doubling-down on all his lies and crimes? Even his recent brushes with mortality haven’t softened him a bit, nor given him an iota of humility. If anything, he’s coming across as more aggressive than before!"

I read on the HP that Cheney is fearful of prosecution. He should be. He's always seemed like an "over-compensator" to me, just like any bully I've ever met. Like they say in Texas, "All hat and no cattle." It stands to reason that he'd go full bore now.

I just wish he'd try to attend a book signing for his "head exploding," self serving diatribe abroad :)

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search4more
8/31/2011 09:00:30 am

I think the discussion about whether Palin used an anamatronic doll is a blind alley we shouldn't go down. If she was so incompetent that she couldn't sort out a realistic squidgy bump to fool people she was pregnant, then how could she pull off a hoax with an anamatronic doll?

A fake bump has got to be a gazillion times cheaper and easier to get than a realistic moving doll. A pregnancy hoax is actually quite easy to pull off if your not incompetent, whereas convincing someone a doll is a real human is super hard.

...Just saying, but hey everyone is free to believe what they want. :-)

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curiouser and Phyllis,

Thanks for looking into that video.

The glasses she is wearing in it are her old ones that she wore in 2007. If you go to the Palin deception blog post on 15th July 2009 titled "More on... Who are these Folks? " and watch the Countdown video, then at about the 30 second mark there is a close up of Palin's face. In the Hollis French photos although she is wearing the same scarf, she isn't wearing the same outfit. In the Hollis French pics she's got a skirt on and not trousers. I think she is wearing the scarf in a different way too.

Have you found a high res versions of the Hollis French pics? The ones of those I have found so far are very of low resolution.

Another thing to look at in the footage is the little flag of Israel in the window. It's not there in the CBC video but is there in the Alaska HDTV late Feb video and in the pictures from March 2008. Apart from that the office looks in a very similar state. most of the pictures around the room are sitting in exactly the same place although I have just noticed that in the late Feb Alaska HDTV video there is a picture of Track in uniform. It's not there in the CBC footage.

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Rationalist
8/31/2011 09:19:58 am

I bought the book! Since this Palin thing, I have been notoriously bad about reading actual books. So I told myself at the beginning of this year I would read five good ones, to be increased next year. So far, it's been:

"Composed," by Rosanne Cash
"Body Work (A V.I. Warshawski Mystery)" by Sara Paretsky
"Bossypants" by Tina Fey
"The Year of Magical Thinking," by Joan Didion.

This is going to fit nicely in that company. Thanks for the push, V-A. Happy to support your efforts, Laura, but it doesn't sound like that's going to be anything but totally fun.

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search4more
8/31/2011 09:27:18 am

A couple more picture finds. These are from either the 31st March 2008 or the 1st April 2008. The EXIF data suggests the 31st, but Palin's schedule suggests the pics are from the 1st.

They are pictures of Palin and Rep Peggy Wilson in the Juneau Governors office. Palin is signing the Ft. Rousseau Bill.

A table is in front of Palin, but when you lighten the pictures you can still basically see quite a lot. This is before the big fake belly arrives.

Here are links to the high res versions:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1350/1april2008governorpalin.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3914/1april2008cliffpeggyand.jpg

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3914/1april2008cliffpeggyand.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1350/1april2008governorpalin.jpg


Here's where I found them:

http://housemajority.org/gallery/v/wilson/Govenor+Signing+Bill.JPG.html

They were new to me, probably not to you...but hey ho, I like posting stuff in case it's new. :-)

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litbrit link
8/31/2011 09:30:53 am

@Rationalist -- Hi back at you! And hello to everyone (I read and lurk a lot, and have always been following along, marveling at all the insanity as much as everyone else).

@Lidia -- Thank you for the kind compliment. Your videos are brilliant--I posted one at my little blog immediately last summer, and have since sent the youtube links to them (any, all, ha!) to numerous friends. They stand out, even among other well-put-together shorts, because they are exceptionally professional and polished. Are you a director or videographer by trade?

@Viola-Alex -- I meant to state this in my previous comment, and got sidetracked and then called out the door. But anyway, THANK YOU for your affecting and emotionally honest writing. You have touched on a deeply buried nerve bundle here, this important and undeniable need humans have for some sort of reckoning before any redemption can occur. I believe that is a universal truth, too. In the year during which Palin was announced--during which many of us began to dare to hope that the country would soon emerge from the post 9-11 trauma and economic and political and legal woes--I remember reading, over and over, this phrase: "sunshine is the best disinfectant". It referred to the need to get everything out in the open, all the torture memos, all the orderes, who told whom to do what, and when. That has still not happened in Washington, and I have to wonder if, under our current political system, the necessary reckoning will ever take place. Because without it, there won't be any redemption. Nor will there be any real recovery; indeed, the sickness of soul that led people down that hideous path, and had them committing unspeakable acts in our name, will just lie dormant until the next invasion, occupation, or "mission". *sigh*

Still, as I like to say, hope springs eternal and the hopeless fall incessantly. Will our darling friends in the mainstream media keep ignoring this story, which for a long time now has been about *their* laziness, complicity, obesiance, poverty of imagination, or all of the above? Or will they finally step up and tell the truth?

That thought

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hauksdottir
8/31/2011 10:05:53 am

Third try to post:
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An earlier post mentions that Sarah discussed/planned her "pregnancy" with 5 people via email.

One of those 5 could well be Sharon Leighow, one of her "communications" people.

Sourdough Mullet says:
June 2, 2011 at 9:31 AM

"In [Frank's] book, Sarah is quoted as saying “only Kris Perry, Sharon Leighow, and Sarah” had known about [Bristol's] pregnancy."

http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2011/06/i-am-no-expert-on-pregnancy-but-is-it.html

The post at bottom of page has Palin's contact list, including 2 addys for Leighow... and an *odd* picture.

http://www.porhomme.com/tag/palin/

BTW, I'd not been to that site before, and the post about the Palin family tree is very strange. HOWEVER, that information is sourced to The Onion (a parody site), so please lets not have any jumping to conclusions: the Palin family is strange enough as is.

Since I am holding Leighow up to the light as one of the probable Inner 5, Malia's post is also quite relevant:

"Whatever she was to Sarah Palin, it is undisputed that she was one of Sarah Palin’s closest confidants while in office. A simple search of the MSNB site that has made the e-mails available on line shows 12045 e-mails that have the name “Sharon Leighow” on them.

Thus almost HALF of the 24,199 pages of e-mails contain the name “Sharon Leighow”."

http://malialitman.wordpress.com/2011/06/15/blind-allegiance-of-sharon-leighow-and-sean-parnell-to-sarah-palin/

The emails between Palin and Leighow on March 5th definitely reveal strategies regarding rolling out the "pregnancy".

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Jane in NC
8/31/2011 10:58:23 am

I'm probably in the minority here in thinking that the Mudflats post today didn't add much except some corroboration on Palin's erratic behavior and nothing to support a pregnancy hoax. I have to agree with those who pointed out that even if she was chock full of diet pills and puking several times a day that doesn't explain a non-emaciated, no-baby-bump Palin and the impossible 18-day belly balloon.

Nixon drank, Kennedy screwed, Churchill was rude, the French IMF guy was arrested. Agreed Palin appears unbalanced, but anyone who's watched her for a while could see that. Popping pills, yelling, throwing canned goods and binge eating are nothing compared to fabricating or conspiring anything about her pregnancy. IMHO.

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Up
8/31/2011 11:09:57 am

If she doesn't implode before Monday, she is also allegedly speaking at Tea Party event in New Hampshire on Labor Day.

For anyone in the area, 12:00 pm Monday at Veteran State Park in Manchester.

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curiouser
8/31/2011 11:11:03 am

search4more - Let me backtrack. I erroneously cited the French meeting photo when I was looking at a still from a video she made for the troops wearing the same jacket and scarf, again worn differently. My poorly expressed intention was simply that she could wear 2007 glasses in 2008.

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FrostyAK
8/31/2011 11:14:30 am

@Jane in NC:

I agree. Through that article now have anonymously corroborated evidence of most of what we figured. Drugs, of whatever kind. Mental illness, of whatever flavor. Eating disorder, of whatever kind. Child neglect, of whatever hue.

It is out there in more detail, but not much new.

I am waiting for the answer to the question of WHY all talk of Babygate was shut down for so long. Maybe because it was in direct opposition to their theory?

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Laura Novak link
8/31/2011 11:42:21 am

Hauksdottir, thank you for joining us and so sorry it was problematic to post. I'll let Weebly know, I've had no problem but I know that when it happens to me, at IM for example, it's frustrating.

So great to see so many new names here. The more we share this info the better off we all are.

And Frosty AK, so eloquently put by you. Whatever the flavor, hue or kind, to see the information corroborated is so helpful. Thank you all!

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Ottoline
8/31/2011 12:21:45 pm

Jane in NC: Come sit over here by me. I didn't think there was anything new either, except for the son-in-law gaffe. But lots of corroborating details, and that's good. And I'm thinking they have looked at their body of info and staged it so there's some kind of ooomph, depending on their goals for it. That's good. So I'll be patient. And I bet they have set the timing to optimize their posts relative to McG's book, possibly "Fred" 's, the documentary, etc.

I too asked the why of not touching the babyHoax, too.

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Sharon_Too_Also
8/31/2011 12:30:28 pm

Bring it on! Now Geoffrey Dunn is getting back into the fray .... woo hoo.

IM has a new post up with Dunn calling Bailey out: "Bailey's self-admonitions in Blind Allegiance amount to little more than flagellatory wrist-slaps. Near the end he concedes, "We hadn't been good Christians. Far from it. We were dishonest and behaved in a vindictive and hateful manner." Yuh think? "

It references a post at the Anchorage Press that looks juicy:

Palin Redivivus
A newly leaked document, a tell-tale email and several critical omissions from Frank Bailey’s memoir, Blind Allegiance, point towards a re-opening of the Troopergate investigation and a judicial inquiry into whether the quitter Governor—and her minions—perjured themselves and withheld critical evidence in the case

http://www.anchoragepress.com/news/palin-redivivus/article_2460bf64-d41e-11e0-b538-001cc4c002e0.html

Off to read more....

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Pet Theory
8/31/2011 01:07:03 pm

My Pet Theory is based on knowing that the Palins tend be simple minded and can't remember dates (why Trigs so called birthday is the same day as Tracks). I think Trig was actually born on the day given for Tripp (Dec 28th) only one year earlier. Easy to remember a real birthday and then make it one year later for Tripp's fake birthday. This Dec date would also account for the "Severely Premature" comments, given the time line of Bristol's baby bump in the photo's that we have seen of Bristol in the Governors mansion and Family photo's. As based on those photo's a Feb/March birth would be a full term baby. Based on the size of the baby bump we saw in Oct and that the eye witnesses saw of her in a bathing suit, she was about 8 to 9 months pregnant then with Tripp. Then if you look at the Dec video of Bristol running on ice into the Church puffing out her sweat shirt, we know that she was NOT pregnant with Tripp early Dec. So the Anon comment about Tripp being born 5 weeks sooner than the so called Tripp birthdate in Dec would be correct.

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SLQ
8/31/2011 01:32:53 pm

Am I right in thinking the video posted of Bristol is just the preview that E! aired in advance of the two-part series about her AZ house?

As someone mentioned, the actual video appears to be gone, so there must have been something telling in it. If I missed the actual video, can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks!

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SLQ
8/31/2011 01:43:20 pm

Laura -- I'm so glad to hear your book is now available on Kindle. I'm ordering it, along with Joe's and Levi's books. (Conveniently, I have a gift card with almost exactly that mount on it. Happy end of summer or me!)

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V ictoria link
8/31/2011 01:55:23 pm

People have been asking - and I've been asking myself - why the baby hoax has not received the media coverage it should.

Obviously, a large part of the news is controlled by Murdoch and friends and they would never bring it up.

The liberal portion of the media (a tiny fraction, but it does exist) has been jerked around by the "false equivalency" fallacy, deciding that Obama birthers and Trig Truthers were similar. Naturally disgusted by the Obama birthers they simply would refuse to look at Trig Truther claims.

The vast middle has not heard of it or has heard of it and simply dismissed it. Why? (I can answer this because I belonged to this class for a long time). Because it simply sounds too crazy, even for Sarah, and without going into details - face it, our society is superficial - and a quick glance at the Gusty photo, you don't bother but write it off as left wing conspiracy theorists.

The sources that really know mostly have reason to keep quiet. They include health officials, and McCain/Palin staff, or are family members who are making a mint off this set of lies. A few others - the Johnstons - have either been paid off or intimidated or discredited. Others certainly know but have no proof.

But not everyone who has these conditions will continue to have these conditions - in other words, the story is starting to crack. Must buy some popcorn!

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1Doubter
8/31/2011 03:02:51 pm

At 20 sec, you see a FULLY PREGNANT Bri$tol! (http://www.eonline.com/news/bristol_palins_son_tripp_gives_grand/224531)

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1Doubter
8/31/2011 03:23:01 pm

So, now Palin is supposed to address the South Koreans between Oct 3 and 5????????

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Mrs Gunka
8/31/2011 03:34:04 pm

I am just about blind trying to keep up with all the comments today! I think we are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel and the train wreck is about to happen. It's been a long, interesting 3 years. Nice to see so many old names re-emerge from before. My son asked me what we would call ourselves when this is all done? I said we would X-GATER'S!

So many twists and turns the past few days that I was actually dizzy when I woke this morning! We will have to wait and see if she does emerge from her closet and does speak in Iowa, NH or SC this weekend. I wish we could vote on how long the campaign can last. 3 years just seems a tad to long to me! She may get an award for being the most defeated politician in history! Some people are very slow, eh? Thanks everyone for all the work you have done. Maybe we could fill a stadium for a reunion! Perry and Palin will not be invited, OK? Popcorn and champagne vendors only! :-)

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1Doubter
8/31/2011 03:47:01 pm

OK. Definitely having some trouble posting today: Tried several times, None has shown so far. First time I tried, it was late afternoon (after 4 pm here), and somehow, I only saw posts from before and around 8am. Posted several other times. Now it is 10:46 my time (West Coast), but the last post I see is from Ken (Ottoline) @ 19:21:45... :/

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Lidia17
8/31/2011 06:15:38 pm

@Jane in NC, count me in your “minority”. While some of the added tidbits were interesting, what disturbed me more is that it seems like Morris and Devon are pushing this new diet pill/bulemia stuff as though that would explain why Sarah looked so thin while pregnant. It’s like they’re trying to concoct a pharmaceutically-enhanced version of the Wild Ride, but I'm not sure to what end.

I also don’t get all of the laudatory comments… Laura Novak at AKM: “Excellent writing,” No, @Laura, it is not! Take off your California glasses! ;-))

Bailey’s book was THE worst book I have ever read, bar none, and I read a LOT of books. Practically every page had typos, misplaced modifiers, or forced and awkward phrasing. The overall tone was completely inconsistent, to the point of being schizophrenic. The reader was constantly being yanked forward and back in time, without reason or context, making an already difficult-to-follow timeline all that much more discombobulated, to the point that I thought that the poor construction must be intentional. I cannot believe this was the product of 2 years’ editing work (now THREE years, according to Morris). This new article is only slightly better.

As just an example from the recent post, here we have a very ferocious cold sore, indeed: “In an incident from the original text of Blind Allegiance, she grew surly and nasty when a cold sore appeared on her lip ahead of a campaign event and lashed out at family and staff.”

Feh.

@FrostyAK: indeed! I did ask why all of a sudden it was permissible to talk about babygate in the comments, but haven’t gotten a response so far.

@Ottoline, Morris backtracked on that: now it reads “ex-almost-son-in-law” (more of that “excellent” writing). He could have just written ex-fiancé. Devon in her posts had always given me the impression of being a fairly clear writer, so I can only chalk the full horror of these emissions up to Morris, the [cough] "professional" of the group.

I hadn't been to the AKM site in months and months. I’m amazed that there are so many “mudpuppies” still toeing the pregnancy line that Jeanne seems to be maintaining even with this latest piece.

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Laura Novak link
8/31/2011 11:20:01 pm

So sorry again for problems posting. I've alerted Weebly and will try to solve this. Thank you for your diligence on this and for posting! And SLQ thank you SO very much for buying my book. I can't tell you how much that means to me. Thank you.

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Molly
9/1/2011 12:08:01 am

I did not get the impression that AKM was attributing Palin's slim frame during the Trig "pregnancy" to diet pills. She did state however that Palin was using them during her pregnancy with Piper, and Todd was worried about the effect they would have on the baby. From AKM's wording, I believe she doubts Sarah's official version of events.

What I liked about the bombshell was that it validated a lot of what Levi said. It also validates Anon238's comments about Todd being a good father and Sarah's problems with pills.

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Laura Novak link
9/1/2011 12:17:38 am

I am going over to MF now to catch up. And will read the new post on IM by about Dunn as well. Sounds like we're off to another interesting day.

Lidia, I never once said I read Bailey's book. Because I have not. I said that I thought Devon's post was well written. And I especially appreciated Ken's comments about the Palin kids and feeling sorry for them. And I still feel that way.

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Molly
9/1/2011 12:29:08 am

I'm just going to throw this thought out here. Is it possible that Sarah gave birth to Ruffles in December or January. Could his deformity have resulted from diet pills?

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Rationalist
9/1/2011 12:40:03 am

Molly: I also believe Jeanne is hinting that she doubts the official story. Otherwise why let all the babygate comments through now?

And this: "The official story of Palin’s can only be described as a demonstration of what is universally regarded as poor judgment. Even if taken at face value, her story demonstrates a wanton disregard for her own health and safety, and that of her unborn baby. The story speaks to the truthfulness of what these concerned people are saying.

It was also suggested that this problems went beyond dieting..."

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Lidia17
9/1/2011 12:43:21 am

@Laura, I didn't realize you hadn't read the book, but on the other hand I don't think I claimed that you had, either. I don't think whether Morris demonstrates sorrow for the Palin kids is relevant to his writing capabilities or to the ulterior motives I suspect him to be harboring. I suppose I am just a harsher critic than most.

I think we all feel sorry for the Palin kids.

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lilly lily
9/1/2011 01:14:07 am

I stopped by the twitter site of the Palinbot. LOL.

She is posting old lauditory bits from 2008. And one picture for the Sarah campaign in 2012 has been altered to Sarah 2016. SO SUBTLE.

This 61 year old devoted fan puts out one twitter an hour, usually any positive link she can find, and one old shot of Palins mug with Todd or Bristol, and gushes over her great beauty.

I think the bots must realize the 2012 campaign is over and they are gearing up for 5 more years of this garbage, hoping for 2016. 5 more years of her soaking her bots.

Worse than any leach or parasite.

It would be nice if Troopergate is re-opened once again and Baily is put on the hot seat, and spills a few more details of his time with the Palin duo.

Paranoia.

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anonfornow
9/1/2011 01:34:00 am

Pet Theory, I like your pet theory!

The coincidence of all those dates being the same has always bugged me (remember when they were saying Tripp was due December 18?). It makes sense that they would stick to familiar dates that would be easy to remember. I've thought all along that Trig was born severely premature in December. Remember Sadie saying Levi told her that Bristol had had "breast reduction surgery"? Yeah, giving birth and not breast feeding will reduce your breasts, all right, once that initial swelling is past.

So many indicators point to Bristol being farther along than they claimed she was in her Tripp pregnancy. Again, how convenient and coincidental that she was "five months pregnant" when Trig was "five months old"? I just can't see announcing she had a baby boy before he was actually born. So many things could go wrong.

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Melly
9/1/2011 02:09:46 am

Molly, regarding a Dec 07/Jan 08 birth, of Ruffles/Trig etc: pic of Palin from early Dec. 07 belies that theory.

http://www.gettyimages.ie/detail/82601791/Getty-Images-News

You can search for more images in the series that show her even flatter-bellied.

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ginny11
9/1/2011 02:09:47 am

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CDC
9/1/2011 02:10:55 am

1Doubter - thank you for the below link. You are so right about this showing Bristol very pregnant with her "Godson".

"At 20 sec, you see a FULLY PREGNANT Bri$tol!"

(http://www.eonline.com/news/bristol_palins_son_tripp_gives_grand/224531)

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lilly lily
9/1/2011 02:12:06 am

Well the man I mentioned whose daughters were helping out in his devastated town, has reverted back to his obnoxious nauseating self. He says his wife only married him for his money. Having a rant at her expense. (probably true.) He is anxious to get to his college where he will be, so he thinks, a brilliant science major in something or other, research in genetics?(got a handsome stipend and free housing). Bitching about all he did. (If he does something for anyone you hear about it.)

His wife is probably breathing a enormous sigh of relief.

I spoke of redemption, but I wonder if it is possible. Look at Cheney and his new self justifying book. The same evil self serving monster he always was. Palin also. She will always be the monster she is now.

Monsters never change. Perhaps it is in their genes.

Palin will milk this till some bot (other than the Christy family) ends up turning on her, and she will be too frightened to get out of her compound at all.

She is demanded security, bomb sniffing dogs, giant screens, 2 exits from the stage. I think the woman is frightened already. Also exceedingly paranoid.

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ginny11
9/1/2011 02:16:49 am

I don't understand what the motivation would be for pretending Bristol was LESS pregnant with Tripp. Pretending she was MORE (months) pregnant makes sense if the Palins wanted to pretend like there was no way she could have given birth to Trig on April 18.
Can someone enlighten me? I'm clueless.

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Cracklin' Charlie
9/1/2011 03:05:37 am

ginny,

I think that the reasons behind the timing of Bristol's Tripp "pregnancy" becomes more clear only if you consider the possibility that they already had 2 births to cover up. I believe both babies were born BEFORE the RNC, and so it didn't really matter how pregnant they said she was, the whole Bristol pregnancy that they announced during the convention was a lie.
They could say whatever they wanted, because Bristol had quite likely already given birth to Trig AND Tripp. They were trying to hide the fact that Sarah's 17 year old daughter had TWO children.
Timing Bristol's Tripp "pregnancy" to during and after the 2008 campaign would establish the impossibility of Bristol delivering Trig, and explain the existence of Tripp.
The thing that just floors me about all this is really what could Sarah have been thinking? Does this Sarah Palin have the ability to consider another's feelings? If my theory is anywhere close to what happened, how could this girl's mother have behaved this way? It seems that she was so horrified by how her daughter's behavior would reflect on her OWN image, that she would, (and did) put her daughter through what must have been an emotional roller coaster, not just in her home town, but on the world stage. Who could do that to their child?
In my opinion, only a psychopathic personality, who should have paid much more attention to her children's early development. If she hadn't been such a lazy parent when the children were young, things might not have turned out this way.

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anonfornow
9/1/2011 03:12:11 am

ginny11, I puzzled this one at first, but then I realized there were actually several strong motives, some related to Sarah, some to the Republican campaign.

An earlier delivery date means Sarah knew Bristol was pregnant when she was first approached by McCain. Yet you known damn well she didn't admit it when they asked if there was anything embarrassing in her private life that could come out. By the time they found out Bristol was pregnant, they'd already announced Sarah's selection as VP. I suspect Sarah first lied to McCain, claiming she'd only found out herself. Believable, barely, if Bristol was five months. Totally unbelievable if Bristol was seven months.

It's possible the McCain people never did find out the truth. Or if they did, they would have gone along with the deception for several reasons. First of all, if it were known that Bristol delivered during the campaign, it would get enormous press coverage and be a severe embarrassment to the "family values" Republicans. Much better to have her quietly have her baby and then trot it out after the election.

Also, depending on when the baby was born, it sounds much better to say Sarah's "eighteen-year-old daughter" gave birth than a 17-yr-old.

All they needed was for Bristol to be five months pregnant, the EXACT age they were claiming for Trig. So that's what they said. Apart from all the other evidence, it's just a tad too convenient.

I believe Bristol's second pregnancy was one of the main reasons Sarah decided to pretend to give birth to Trig. She knew she could weather one teenage pregnancy; everyone makes mistakes, they chose life, yadayada. But for Bristol to have TWO illegitimate babies, one after the other, before she was 18? What does that tell us about her mother?

I think Sarah announced her pregnancy when 1) they realized Trig was going to live, and 2) she found out Bristol was pregnant again.

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Conscious at last
9/1/2011 03:23:02 am

@ ginny

This is only a guess, but here goes:

The McCain team devised the BP pregnancy strategy. They would not want BP to "give birth" any time before the election in 2008. No matter how you spin it- it's bad business for a VP candidate's unmarried teenage daughter to be birthing a baby. In fact, BP was kept out of sight after the convention until the election. As long as BP "gave birth" within the time frame necessary to make it appear that she could not have also given birth 4/18/08, all was well. It is also critical to remember that BP's "pregnancy" would NOT have been exposed if they didn't have to cover SP's faked pregnancy hoax. You can be sure that Plan A was to have BP give birth secretly, just as she did more recently after DWTS. It was only when the SP's faked pregnancy rumors began to grow that they went to Plan B-- throw Bristol under the bus.

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ginny11
9/1/2011 03:24:31 am

Thanks for those theories, Cracklin Charlie and anonfornow.
I guess I can buy the possibility of McCain people not wanting a birth before the election, definitely bad. But I am having a hard time believing that she had both Trig and Tripp in two separate pregnancies and birthed them both well before the VP selection. But I won't say it's not possible. I think it's MORE likely (though still not very likely IMO) that Trig and Tripp were actually twins born premature. But I really do think it was the "real" Tripp in that GVS interview with Bristol in Feb. 09, so for that reason, I don't think both Trig and Tripp (together or separately) were born before the VP selection.
I still think that there's been any deception about the birth date of Tripp, it's MOST likely that Bristol was not quite 5 months, and she gave birth to Tripp a little premature in mid-Jan.m 08 with either an induced labor or a C-section.
But my gut says that Tripp was likely born on or very close to his given birth date; maybe, even for that date, he was a little premature by either labor induction or C-section (if for no other reason than to get his AK dividend for 2008).

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Viola-Alex
9/1/2011 03:28:33 am

The most powerful thing about the Mudflats post is that Devon et al are allowing birth hoax posts-- even one that declares Willow the mother of Trig! Clearly, something has changed.

very curious as well is the fact that Geoffrey Dunn is listed as a contributor @ mudflats -- so might his well-time criticism of Bailey's book tie in with the new mudflats post? If this is war, mightn't all this just be attacks from all sides, so matter how willynilly?

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Dis Gusted
9/1/2011 03:30:56 am

I agree that Bristol has given birth to at least TWO children. However, I don't believe either of them are TriG.

TriG is merely a borrowed DS prop for political gain. SP got the idea from Gina Loudon who got famous for doing exactly that.

Tripp is almost 4 years old now. It's time to get rid of the binky and the diapers. Piper used a pacifier and a stroller until the 3rd grade. Tripp doesn't need to be held back the same way.

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Viola-Alex
9/1/2011 03:41:46 am

My absolute favorite is back! Dirk Diggler and AlaskaWTF. Dare I say that here? ( This is my inner teenager writing. ) DD is the high school bad boy you try not to like but who you just can't help laughing at. . .

It really does feel like something is brewing.

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Laura Novak link
9/1/2011 03:52:03 am

Hey, V-A. I'm right there with you at our lockers just LMAO that DD is back and on fire. Hope some fun stuff starts coming out. Hey, who knew August would get this exciting?

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Viola-Alex
9/1/2011 04:01:26 am

@ANONFORNOW!!

Your rationale for Sarah's birth hoax is the first reason I've heard that makes any sense. I've puzzled over this for YEARS. What pushes a woman to do something so daring and stupid? There must be pretty high stakes.

IF Sarah claimed one baby as hers, then, you're right, Bristol can have "one mistake." Delaying Tripp's birth so that Bristol gives birth as an 18 yr old sounds much much better.

Don't know if you're right, but it sure makes sense to me. Finally something does. Sarah is so selfish, she would never pull the birth hoax unless she benefited more than anyone else.

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Sharon_Too_Also
9/1/2011 04:09:59 am

@Viola-Alex Re: re-emrgence of Geoffrey Dunn

I'm with you - all out warfare. Don't forget - Dunn & McG are on pretty friendly terms too. Just as McG goes silent (in comments) on his blog, Dunn starts showing up. Keep the stove hot and the pressure on!

Re: Dirk Diggler - he puts the fun in dirt digging...and I think he reaches the kind of audience that our intellectual offerings never would.

Bring it on boys, bring it on.

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Sharon_Too_Also
9/1/2011 04:35:27 am

@anonfornow & Viola-Alex

Re: earlier birth date theory. My head is spinning with all the possibilities but I do recall reading a comment - I think at IM a while back that stayed with me:

(My paraphrasing) "When everything is finally revealed about Sarahs' hoax, it will be even crazier and sadder than any of you have guessed."

That wasn't the whole comment but it was another one of those anons that had the ring of inside info and truth to me.

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Molly
9/1/2011 04:50:16 am

Thanks for the link Melly.

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V ictoria link
9/1/2011 05:23:36 am

What fascinating new theories! I want to know what happened, gosh darn it! Let me read the end of the book, already!

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Cracklin' Charlie
9/1/2011 05:56:39 am

I think Tripp was born on or near April 18, 2008. This scenario makes the "wild ride" necessary, as Tripp's premature birth made it necessary for her to become "mommy" much sooner than she had expected. That is how Tripp was able to be the stand-in for the "newborn" Trig, who was already several months old.

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Lidia17
9/1/2011 07:06:33 am

Wow… overstimulation on the Bristol pg front (but a good kind of overstimulation).

@Viola-Alex: "Geoffrey Dunn is listed as a contributor @ mudflats" Very interesting!

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StillHere
9/4/2011 06:40:56 am

Viola-Alex,

not sure why I followed 1 link after another - until I read your post. Is there a way I can reach you. Sounds like you've crossed some bridges that I've yet to cross, and since it benefits everyone else (except me and my kids) to keep me from crossing - I'm meeting stumbling blocks, resistance, "must me totally mental, need drugs" types of responses. I was crying earlier today asking myself "how do I fix it, when it hurts too bad to explain it, and most people wont even believe"

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